Re: OT: Re: FW: Re: Is there a line of defense against Distributed Reflective attacks?

2003-01-23 Thread Paul Wouters

On Thu, 23 Jan 2003, Christopher L. Morrow wrote:

> > Something I'm surprised no one has commented on considering the
> > direction of this thread has been should ISPs be responsible for
> > customer actions if they are not allowed to refuse service to customers?
> 
> ISP's can't refuse service to customers?

As I've come to understand, this depends on what system is in use. In the
Anglo-Saxon system, "free" market is everything. But in post Napoleon
France for instance, it is considered a privilege to offer commercial
services to the public, and one of the obligations that comes with that
privilege, is to offer that commercial services to everyone who pays,
without discrimination. 

I'm sure better suited people are around to explain these differences
better then I can.

If only revolutions wouldn't be in violation of law :)
 
Paul
-- 
God devised pigeons as a means of punishment for man. Probably after
the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrha he wanted to make sure that people
would never again feel comfortable enough in a city to repeat the sins
committed there, and he created the pigeons as a means to make the city
dwellers' lives more miserable, as a constant reminder of their past sins.




Re: OT: Re: FW: Re: Is there a line of defense against Distributed Reflective attacks?

2003-01-23 Thread Christopher L. Morrow


On Wed, 22 Jan 2003, Baldwin, James wrote:

>
> Something I'm surprised no one has commented on considering the
> direction of this thread has been should ISPs be responsible for
> customer actions if they are not allowed to refuse service to customers?

ISP's can't refuse service to customers?

> I'm surprised this hasn't come up since the latter half of the question
> also represented a fairly "popular" thread earlier. I'm interested in
> people's opinions.
>
> James Baldwin
> Worldwide Technology Services and Operations
> Network Operations Center
> Electronic Arts, Inc.
>




Re: OT: Re: FW: Re: Is there a line of defense against Distributed Reflective attacks?

2003-01-23 Thread Petri Helenius

>
> The first MPEG-4 HD set top boxes are beginning to appear
>
> http://www.sigmadesigns.com/news/press_releases/030108.htm
>
> Watch this space
>
If you read the document carefully, you´ll figure that they support MPEG2 HDTV
(1920x1080)
and MPEG4 SDTV (640x480/720x576), which was my point earlier. So they are little
less than
two cycles of Moore´s law away from MPEG4 HDTV. That would put it three years
away but if the market is there, we´ll probably see it earlier. SDTV
video-over-ip services
should take off first though or we´ll end up with peer2peer set top boxes
sharing premium
channel services over broadband networks.

Pete




OT: Re: FW: Re: Is there a line of defense against Distributed Reflective attacks?

2003-01-22 Thread Baldwin, James

Something I'm surprised no one has commented on considering the
direction of this thread has been should ISPs be responsible for
customer actions if they are not allowed to refuse service to customers?
I'm surprised this hasn't come up since the latter half of the question
also represented a fairly "popular" thread earlier. I'm interested in
people's opinions.

James Baldwin
Worldwide Technology Services and Operations
Network Operations Center
Electronic Arts, Inc.



Re: OT: Re: FW: Re: Is there a line of defense against Distributed Reflective attacks?

2003-01-22 Thread Marshall Eubanks

Hello;

On Wednesday, January 22, 2003, at 06:04  PM, Petri Helenius wrote:




Drifting off-topic, but those are 'raw' data rates.  Compression 
algorithms
along with motion-estimation allow you to get full-screen video down to
~1.5 Mbps with not much in the way of image quality loss.

Raw HDTV is about 1.2Gbps. RAW NTSC SDI bitstream is a few hundred.
The 6 and 19.8 are already compressed. Obviously putting more horsepower
to the compression you can achieve smaller data rates. However applying
for example MPEG4 instead of MPEG2 for 1080i or 720p ups the 
computational
requirements beyond current consumer state of the art.

The first MPEG-4 HD set top boxes are beginning to appear

http://www.sigmadesigns.com/news/press_releases/030108.htm

Watch this space

 Regards
 Marshall Eubanks





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75% is enough.

Pete


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OT: Re: FW: Re: Is there a line of defense against Distributed Reflective attacks?

2003-01-22 Thread Petri Helenius

> Drifting off-topic, but those are 'raw' data rates.  Compression algorithms
> along with motion-estimation allow you to get full-screen video down to 
> ~1.5 Mbps with not much in the way of image quality loss.
> 
Raw HDTV is about 1.2Gbps. RAW NTSC SDI bitstream is a few hundred.
The 6 and 19.8 are already compressed. Obviously putting more horsepower
to the compression you can achieve smaller data rates. However applying 
for example MPEG4 instead of MPEG2 for 1080i or 720p ups the computational
requirements beyond current consumer state of the art. 

> I think you'll see it long before every house has fiber run to it.
> 
75% is enough.

Pete