RE: OT. - The end of inet-access

2003-01-13 Thread W.D.McKinney

Thanks for taking the time to help me today. I am subscribed again
and I apologize for sending the wrong signal to NANOG today.
Operator error *again*.

Dee



Re: OT. - The end of inet-access

2003-01-13 Thread JC Dill

At 05:04 PM 01/13/2003 -0500, Andy Dills wrote:

>Another possible reason inet-access is more on-topic is because JC's ten
>times more dictatorial than Susan. She doesn't care if you've been posting
>for 7 years, if you annoy her, you're gone unless you do what she tells
>you to. But I'm bitter and biased...mea culpa.

For the record:

The reason you were unsub$cribed is because A) you started a flame war and 
B) my attempts to email you privately to discuss this (in an attempt to get 
the flame war to stop) were unsuccessful due to your (IMHO overly 
aggressive) spam filters bouncing my private email to you.

If you had accepted my emails, stopped the flame war, and discussed the 
issue with me in private email, you would not have been unsub$cribed.  And 
as I said before, you are still welcome to subscribe as long as you agree 
to follow the list policy, which includes not starting flame wars and 
ceasing them immediately when you are told to stop.  When you elect to 
bounce email from the list admin at the same time you start and feed a 
flame war, you run the risk that you can't be told to stop and will be 
*made* to stop by being unsub$cribed as I will not debate this type of 
behavior "on the list" nor let the flame war run unchecked.  The list 
membership expects this of the list admin, and I do my best to do a good 
job.  Anyone who thinks I'm not doing the right thing is more than welcome 
to complain to Avi and offer to do the job instead.

jc  (the ever under-appreciated *volunteer* inet-admin list administrator)




Re: OT. - The end of inet-access

2003-01-13 Thread Gordon Cook



As for inet-access being more on-topic than NANOG, that's only because the
scope of NANOG is much more narrow. On inet-access, you're only off topic
if you're not talking about issues related to providing internet access.

Another possible reason inet-access is more on-topic is because JC's ten
times more dictatorial than Susan. She doesn't care if you've been posting
for 7 years, if you annoy her, you're gone unless you do what she tells
you to. But I'm bitter and biased...mea culpa.


Oh yes.  Quite true.  She drove me off of it about three years ago. 
I  had been posting my monthly summaries there since joining it in 
1994.  That action was judged to be unacceptable.  From what Dave 
Hughes tells me the wireless ISP list is where the real action is now.


Andy


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Re: OT. - The end of inet-access

2003-01-13 Thread Andy Dills

On Mon, 13 Jan 2003, JC Dill wrote:

>
> At 11:51 AM 01/13/2003 -0900, you wrote:
>  >
>  >Just wondering if anyone here has some info ?
>  >Any idea if the final nail is in inet-access ?
>
> If there is a rumor going around that the end of inet-access is near,
> someone forgot to tell me anything about it.  The inet-access list is alive
> and well, with ~1000 subscribers, and over 100 posts so far in January
> 2003.  (I know, that's a low number when compared to nanog, but then again
> we tend to stay on-topic a bit more over there.)

I think the primary problem is that a lot of people were subscribed
through twistedpair.ca, which was a redistributer of the list (i.e. you
would subscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and get the
[EMAIL PROTECTED] mails).

They're also the primary result when searching for "inet-access archives"
on google. It appears that sometime in september, they got unsubscribed
from inet-access, and as a result, people who were subscribed through
them, and people who follow along through the archives (like myself), were
given the impression it was completely dead.

As for inet-access being more on-topic than NANOG, that's only because the
scope of NANOG is much more narrow. On inet-access, you're only off topic
if you're not talking about issues related to providing internet access.

Another possible reason inet-access is more on-topic is because JC's ten
times more dictatorial than Susan. She doesn't care if you've been posting
for 7 years, if you annoy her, you're gone unless you do what she tells
you to. But I'm bitter and biased...mea culpa.

Andy


Andy Dills  301-682-9972
Xecunet, LLCwww.xecu.net

Dialup * Webhosting * E-Commerce * High-Speed Access




Re: OT. - The end of inet-access

2003-01-13 Thread JC Dill

At 11:51 AM 01/13/2003 -0900, you wrote:
>
>Just wondering if anyone here has some info ?
>Any idea if the final nail is in inet-access ?

If there is a rumor going around that the end of inet-access is near, 
someone forgot to tell me anything about it.  The inet-access list is alive 
and well, with ~1000 subscribers, and over 100 posts so far in January 
2003.  (I know, that's a low number when compared to nanog, but then again 
we tend to stay on-topic a bit more over there.)

jc (inet-access list admin)


OT. - The end of inet-access

2003-01-13 Thread W.D.McKinney

Just wondering if anyone here has some info ?
Any idea if the final nail is in inet-access ? 

Thanks

W.D.McKinney (Dee)