RE: Calling TeliaSonera - time to implement prefix filtering
We're currently receiving the following prefix from TeliaSonera on one of our IP transit links in Oslo: aut-num:AS29049 as-name:Delta-Telecom-AS descr: Delta Telecom LTD. descr: International Communication Operator descr: Azerbaijan Republic and *of course* they don't own 62.0.0.0/8. Own!? How can you tell who actually owns any network these days. According to Lars Nyberg, President and CEO of TeliaSonera, TeliaSonera is committed to Azerbaijan and will continue delivering world class service. This statement was made at a press conference in Baku, the capital of Azerbaijan, in January. It took about 30 seconds of googling to learn that this Swedish/Finnish merged company is in a joint venture with a Turkish company and that joint venture is in another joint venture with the Azerbaijani government. TeliaSonera owns a majority of the stake in the first joint venture (Fintur Holdings BV) which owns a majority stake in the second joint venture (Azercell Telecom). I still have no idea who owns what AS or IP address range, but it seems to be reasonable for TeliaSonera, an Azerbaijani telecom company, to be announcing an IP address range assigned to another Azerbaijani telecom company. Have you asked TeliaSonera why they are announcing the prefix? Yes, it is possible that someone in Azerbaijan made a mistake in configuring their router, but rather than complain on NANOG, it would be better to work back through the chain of BGP peers and help educate the people who made the mistake. --Michael Dillon
Re: Calling TeliaSonera - time to implement prefix filtering
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We're currently receiving the following prefix from TeliaSonera on one of our IP transit links in Oslo: aut-num:AS29049 as-name:Delta-Telecom-AS descr: Delta Telecom LTD. descr: International Communication Operator descr: Azerbaijan Republic and *of course* they don't own 62.0.0.0/8. Own!? I think he was saying that Delta Telecom don't *own* 62.0.0.0/8 and therefore shouldn't be advertising it. Following that Telia shouldn't be accepting the route and then re-announcing it to peers ... J -- COO Entanet International T: 0870 770 9580 W: http://www.enta.net/
Re: Calling TeliaSonera - time to implement prefix filtering
I think he was saying that Delta Telecom don't *own* 62.0.0.0/8 and therefore shouldn't be advertising it. Following that Telia shouldn't be accepting the route and then re-announcing it to peers ... Exactly. Steinar Haug, Nethelp consulting, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Calling TeliaSonera - time to implement prefix filtering
aut-num:AS29049 and *of course* they don't own 62.0.0.0/8. Own!? I think he was saying that Delta Telecom don't *own* 62.0.0.0/8 and therefore shouldn't be advertising it. Following that Telia shouldn't be accepting the route and then re-announcing it to peers ... Of course! ... /8? ... Azerbaijan? ... What was I thinking?... Still, it would be better to contact the upstream directly and work back through the peering chain because this kind of thing is usually a result of education deficit, not malice. --Michael Dillon
RE: Calling TeliaSonera - time to implement prefix filtering
But isn't this what nanog is for? It appears to be more on-topic than the email threads. More E than S. Fred Reimer, CISSP, CCNP, CQS-VPN, CQS-ISS Senior Network Engineer Coleman Technologies, Inc. 954-298-1697 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 9:51 AM To: nanog@merit.edu Subject: RE: Calling TeliaSonera - time to implement prefix filtering aut-num:AS29049 and *of course* they don't own 62.0.0.0/8. Own!? I think he was saying that Delta Telecom don't *own* 62.0.0.0/8 and therefore shouldn't be advertising it. Following that Telia shouldn't be accepting the route and then re-announcing it to peers ... Of course! ... /8? ... Azerbaijan? ... What was I thinking?... Still, it would be better to contact the upstream directly and work back through the peering chain because this kind of thing is usually a result of education deficit, not malice. --Michael Dillon smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature
Re: Calling TeliaSonera - time to implement prefix filtering
Yes, it is operational. Best, Marty On 4/15/08, Fred Reimer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But isn't this what nanog is for? It appears to be more on-topic than the email threads. More E than S. Fred Reimer, CISSP, CCNP, CQS-VPN, CQS-ISS Senior Network Engineer Coleman Technologies, Inc. 954-298-1697 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 9:51 AM To: nanog@merit.edu Subject: RE: Calling TeliaSonera - time to implement prefix filtering aut-num:AS29049 and *of course* they don't own 62.0.0.0/8. Own!? I think he was saying that Delta Telecom don't *own* 62.0.0.0/8 and therefore shouldn't be advertising it. Following that Telia shouldn't be accepting the route and then re-announcing it to peers ... Of course! ... /8? ... Azerbaijan? ... What was I thinking?... Still, it would be better to contact the upstream directly and work back through the peering chain because this kind of thing is usually a result of education deficit, not malice. --Michael Dillon
Re: Calling TeliaSonera - time to implement prefix filtering
I think he was saying that Delta Telecom don't *own* 62.0.0.0/8 and therefore shouldn't be advertising it. Following that Telia shouldn't be accepting the route and then re-announcing it to peers ... Of course! ... /8? ... Azerbaijan? ... What was I thinking?... Still, it would be better to contact the upstream directly and work back through the peering chain because this kind of thing is usually a result of education deficit, not malice. Probably in theory. In practice, it's not obvious. I *did* get a private response from a Telia person after my posting to Nanog, and this person alerted their routing registry. The 62.0.0.0/8 prefix is now gone - whether as as result of my posting to Nanog or not, I have no means of knowing. Steinar Haug, Nethelp consulting, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Calling TeliaSonera - time to implement prefix filtering
Martin Hannigan wrote: Yes, it is operational. On 4/15/08, Fred Reimer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But isn't this what nanog is for? It appears to be more on-topic than the email threads. More E than S. As well as 62.0.0.0/8 there is 88.0.0.0/8 (originated by AS13064, with upstreams of AS13237 (LambdaNet) and AS 8447 (Telekom Austria) Unlike 62.0.0.0/8, which is being announced as a stable announcement (and has AS 1299 (Telianet) as its upstream, 88.0.0.0/8 is being announced for periods of 30 seconds to 1 minute. Last time we saw this short announce behaviour it was a spammer using the vacant addresses in the /8 block to generate spam in short bursts. I have no data on what is going on with 88.0.0.0/8 Here's what I see in terms of recent BGP activity for 88.0.0.0/8: http://88.0.0.0.8.potaroo.net and for 62.0.0.0/8: http://62.0.0.0.8.potaroo.net
