Re: OT: Looking for Ethernt/Optical Device
I'm wondering if anyone has seen a good and cheap(er) solution for providing multiple Gigabit Ethernet circuits over single pair of fiber. I'm looking for a way to do CWDM or DWDM that's cheaper than putting in a Cisco 15454 or 15327. I'm only going to be doing 2 GigE circuits between two switches, so I don't need to plan for future growth. If you only need two GigE circuits, the least expensive solution is probably standard LX/LH GBICs and passive splitter/combiners. Available from several vendors, for instance http://www.mrv.com/product/MRV-FD-SPLTCMB/ Disclaimer: I have no practical experience with this product. Steinar Haug, Nethelp consulting, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: Looking for Ethernt/Optical Device
Finisar also has CWDM optics in both the SFP and GBIC form factor and they are quite a bit less expensive than the Cisco solution and they do have a 16 lambda passive OADM as well as the 4 and 8 lambda models. Scott C. McGrath On Tue, 1 Jun 2004, Erik Haagsman wrote: What you could try is use the Cisco CWDM-MUX-4 and it's pluggable optics that can be fit into any GBIC 802.3z compliant slot. It's just an OADM with 4 or 8 wavelengths that delivers GigE to any box with pluggable GBICs provided you use the right optics and it's quite a bit cheaper than using ONS stuff. That said, CWDM doesn't get you much further than 80 kilometres, above that DWDM is your only option, and a hell of a lot more expensive. Cheers, -- --- Erik Haagsman Network Architect We Dare BV tel: +31(0)10 7507008 fax:+31(0)10 7507005 http://www.we-dare.nl On Tue, 2004-06-01 at 17:30, Michael Smith wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello All: I'm wondering if anyone has seen a good and cheap(er) solution for providing multiple Gigabit Ethernet circuits over single pair of fiber. I'm looking for a way to do CWDM or DWDM that's cheaper than putting in a Cisco 15454 or 15327. I'm only going to be doing 2 GigE circuits between two switches, so I don't need to plan for future growth. If anyone knows of a magic box that will do the above I would love to hear about it. Thanks, Mike - -- Michael K. SmithNoaNet 206.219.7116 (work) 866.662.6380 (NOC) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.noanet.net -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 8.0.3 iQA/AwUBQLyiVJzgx7Y34AxGEQIDewCfR8JQG2jqbxsBopUE6u3FUnfiX3UAoODx 41QL7T1eyK1EQ4ZMnVJU+l2p =hDVT -END PGP SIGNATURE-
RE: OT: Looking for Ethernt/Optical Device
If you only need two GigE circuits, the least expensive solution is probably standard LX/LH GBICs and passive splitter/combiners. Available from several vendors, for instance http://www.mrv.com/product/MRV-FD-SPLTCMB/ Disclaimer: I have no practical experience with this product. FYI - We have one of our strands of fiber (about 40km) terminating in AFOP WDM 1550/1310 splitters with the 1550 being terminated in ZX GBICS and the 1310 in an ATM switch and it works great. Eric
RE: OT: Looking for Ethernt/Optical Device
You need to check the switches to make sure they support the xWDM GBICs though. The older Cisco switches don't support them. Last time I checked, 3500XLs didn't support them, but 3550s did... Chuck Church Lead Design Engineer CCIE #8776, MCNE, MCSE Wam!Net Government Services - Design Implementation Team 13665 Dulles Technology Dr. Ste 250 Herndon, VA 20171 Office: 703-480-2569 Cell: 703-819-3495 [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP key: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=indexsearch=cchurch%40wamnetgov. com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Erik Haagsman Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 11:49 AM To: Michael Smith Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: OT: Looking for Ethernt/Optical Device What you could try is use the Cisco CWDM-MUX-4 and it's pluggable optics that can be fit into any GBIC 802.3z compliant slot. It's just an OADM with 4 or 8 wavelengths that delivers GigE to any box with pluggable GBICs provided you use the right optics and it's quite a bit cheaper than using ONS stuff. That said, CWDM doesn't get you much further than 80 kilometres, above that DWDM is your only option, and a hell of a lot more expensive. Cheers, -- --- Erik Haagsman Network Architect We Dare BV tel: +31(0)10 7507008 fax:+31(0)10 7507005 http://www.we-dare.nl On Tue, 2004-06-01 at 17:30, Michael Smith wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello All: I'm wondering if anyone has seen a good and cheap(er) solution for providing multiple Gigabit Ethernet circuits over single pair of fiber. I'm looking for a way to do CWDM or DWDM that's cheaper than putting in a Cisco 15454 or 15327. I'm only going to be doing 2 GigE circuits between two switches, so I don't need to plan for future growth. If anyone knows of a magic box that will do the above I would love to hear about it. Thanks, Mike - -- Michael K. SmithNoaNet 206.219.7116 (work) 866.662.6380 (NOC) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.noanet.net -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 8.0.3 iQA/AwUBQLyiVJzgx7Y34AxGEQIDewCfR8JQG2jqbxsBopUE6u3FUnfiX3UAoODx 41QL7T1eyK1EQ4ZMnVJU+l2p =hDVT -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: OT: Looking for Ethernt/Optical Device
Be warned that you can't use non-Cisco CWDM SFPs or GBICs in a cisco switch or router... There is a PROM code in the cisco-sold units that is identified by IOS. Plug in a non-cisco SFP/GBIC and it will shut down the port. (This was discussed about 9 months ago on nanog-l, it should be in the archives). Does anyone actually buy the $3500 CWDM SFPs? That's a $3300 profit margin for Cisco... Scott McGrath wrote: Finisar also has CWDM optics in both the SFP and GBIC form factor and they are quite a bit less expensive than the Cisco solution and they do have a 16 lambda passive OADM as well as the 4 and 8 lambda models. Scott C. McGrath On Tue, 1 Jun 2004, Erik Haagsman wrote: What you could try is use the Cisco CWDM-MUX-4 and it's pluggable optics that can be fit into any GBIC 802.3z compliant slot. It's just an OADM with 4 or 8 wavelengths that delivers GigE to any box with pluggable GBICs provided you use the right optics and it's quite a bit cheaper than using ONS stuff. That said, CWDM doesn't get you much further than 80 kilometres, above that DWDM is your only option, and a hell of a lot more expensive. Cheers, -- --- Erik Haagsman Network Architect We Dare BV tel: +31(0)10 7507008 fax:+31(0)10 7507005 http://www.we-dare.nl On Tue, 2004-06-01 at 17:30, Michael Smith wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello All: I'm wondering if anyone has seen a good and cheap(er) solution for providing multiple Gigabit Ethernet circuits over single pair of fiber. I'm looking for a way to do CWDM or DWDM that's cheaper than putting in a Cisco 15454 or 15327. I'm only going to be doing 2 GigE circuits between two switches, so I don't need to plan for future growth. If anyone knows of a magic box that will do the above I would love to hear about it. Thanks, Mike - -- Michael K. SmithNoaNet 206.219.7116 (work) 866.662.6380 (NOC) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.noanet.net -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 8.0.3 iQA/AwUBQLyiVJzgx7Y34AxGEQIDewCfR8JQG2jqbxsBopUE6u3FUnfiX3UAoODx 41QL7T1eyK1EQ4ZMnVJU+l2p =hDVT -END PGP SIGNATURE-
RE: OT: Looking for Ethernt/Optical Device
Hello Eric: You can issue the following command in the 3550 series that takes care of that issue. However, your mileage may vary. :-) No errdisable detect cause gbic-invalid Mike -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Eric Kuhnke Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 2:06 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: OT: Looking for Ethernt/Optical Device Be warned that you can't use non-Cisco CWDM SFPs or GBICs in a cisco switch or router... There is a PROM code in the cisco-sold units that is identified by IOS. Plug in a non-cisco SFP/GBIC and it will shut down the port. (This was discussed about 9 months ago on nanog-l, it should be in the archives). Does anyone actually buy the $3500 CWDM SFPs? That's a $3300 profit margin for Cisco... Scott McGrath wrote: Finisar also has CWDM optics in both the SFP and GBIC form factor and they are quite a bit less expensive than the Cisco solution and they do have a 16 lambda passive OADM as well as the 4 and 8 lambda models. Scott C. McGrath On Tue, 1 Jun 2004, Erik Haagsman wrote: What you could try is use the Cisco CWDM-MUX-4 and it's pluggable optics that can be fit into any GBIC 802.3z compliant slot. It's just an OADM with 4 or 8 wavelengths that delivers GigE to any box with pluggable GBICs provided you use the right optics and it's quite a bit cheaper than using ONS stuff. That said, CWDM doesn't get you much further than 80 kilometres, above that DWDM is your only option, and a hell of a lot more expensive. Cheers, -- --- Erik Haagsman Network Architect We Dare BV tel: +31(0)10 7507008 fax:+31(0)10 7507005 http://www.we-dare.nl On Tue, 2004-06-01 at 17:30, Michael Smith wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello All: I'm wondering if anyone has seen a good and cheap(er) solution for providing multiple Gigabit Ethernet circuits over single pair of fiber. I'm looking for a way to do CWDM or DWDM that's cheaper than putting in a Cisco 15454 or 15327. I'm only going to be doing 2 GigE circuits between two switches, so I don't need to plan for future growth. If anyone knows of a magic box that will do the above I would love to hear about it. Thanks, Mike - -- Michael K. SmithNoaNet 206.219.7116 (work) 866.662.6380 (NOC) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.noanet.net -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 8.0.3 iQA/AwUBQLyiVJzgx7Y34AxGEQIDewCfR8JQG2jqbxsBopUE6u3FUnfiX3UAoODx 41QL7T1eyK1EQ4ZMnVJU+l2p =hDVT -END PGP SIGNATURE-
