RE: Sabotage investigation of fiber cuts in Northwest
FWIW, the following is the notes from Qwest's outage notification on the 3rd. -- NOTES: SS7 DUAL A-LINK FAILURE UNDER INVESTIGATION BY SS7,NFC AND SWITCH. (3) OC48'S FAILED/ SUSPECT FIBER CUT BTWN BLHMWA E. STANWD RPTR/ UPGRADED TO RED DUE TO NALS/ STILL INVEST./ RR'G SS7 LINK TO RADIO OTDR INDICATES 42 N. OF STTLWA04/ TECH ENROUTE TO ESWDWA RPTR/ ETA 45MINS. TECHS ON SITE NOW / SUSPECT VANDALISM / LAW ENFORCEMENT ON SITE TECHS ARE INSIDE HUT/ CABLE IS CUT AT HUT/ CONFIRMED VANALISM INSIDE HUT TAKING PICTURES INSIDE HUT/ TEN FIBERS CUT/ LOADING EQPT. FROM TRUCK/ NO ETR FIBERS PRIORITIZED / 6 OF 10 FIBERS CUT / SPLICING WILL START IN 15MINS. FIRST FIBERS ARE SPLICED/ A-LINKS RESTORED/ BLOCKING IS ST FIRST FIBERS ARE SPLICED/ A-LINKS RESTORED/ BLOCKING IS STARTING TO CLEAR BLOCKAGE STOPPED AT 12:45 PDT / SPLICING CONTINUES CLEARING ALARMS FINAL CLEAN UP ONGOING/ 6 FIBERS SPLICE ALL ALARMS HAVE CLEARED 911 BACK ON NORMAL PATH AND TESTED. 6 FIBERS SPLICE ALL ALARMS HAVE CLEARED 911 BACK ON NORMAL PATH AND TESTED. 6 FIBERS SPLICE ALL ALARMS HAVE CLEARED 911 BACK ON NORMAL PATH AND TESTED. RESTORE DATE TIME 2003-09-03 12:28:44 PDT -- Regards, Chad Chad Skidmore One Eighty Networks http://www.go180.net 509-688-8180 -Original Message- From: Laurence F. Sheldon, Jr. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Posted At: Monday, November 03, 2003 8:08 PM Posted To: NANOG Conversation: Sabotage investigation of fiber cuts in Northwest Subject: Re: Sabotage investigation of fiber cuts in Northwest JC Dill wrote: At 07:32 PM 11/3/2003, John Fraizer wrote: On Mon, 3 Nov 2003, Owen DeLong wrote: Maybe I'm missing something, but, if you have the bolt cutters, I don't see why you need the key to an adjacent lock or any of the locks. Um, cutting a lock out gets it out of the mix but, you still have to have the key to one of the other locks to complete the chain again. Think about it. A cut lock can be replaced with a similar replacement lock and usually no one will be the wiser. Look at the locks here: http://www.qsl.net/kf4lhp/telweb/microwave/kiv70/padlocks.jpg The lock marked ATC is between 2 other locks (that's a hasp to its left, with rusty chain further to the left). It could be cut and replaced with a similar lock linking the other two locks, without opening either of the other two locks. On gates with many locks (I've seen chains of 6 or more), there is rarely any interest given to the locks that are not one's own responsibility. I wonder if that Bell System (F7?) is ever unlocked anymore.
Re: Sabotage investigation of fiber cuts in Northwest
Indeed many places have multiple padlocks locked together and then hooked to a chain. Any padlock opened unlocks the chain. This really only works for chained shut gates, but it's works rather well, and you can revoke access with the key from an adjacent lock and a pair of boltcutters. This is how the cell companies seem to do it around here in East Michigan, and it seems to work quite well. Point being, they should have -some- way to lock the place up so not just anyone can waltz in and cut fibers. It can't really be that hard. -Paul On Mon, 2003-11-03 at 01:24, JC Dill wrote: At 08:53 PM 11/2/2003, you wrote: I'm fairly certain that the telco huts or CO's have to accomodate multiple groups having access, so I'd bet that a padlock probably is a tough sell There are special latches that accommodate multiple padlocks, where unlocking any one padlock opens the latch. They are routinely used on private gates in remote areas where each property owner (and the local fire department) have individual locks on the gate and opening any one lock allows access. One such device is shown on here: http://www.tayhope.com/mlus.htm jc -- Paul Timmins [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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The quesiton isn't so much how someone cut a fiber strand, but why the failure of a single fiber strand had such an impact on the telephone service in the region. I'd be willing to bet it wasn't a single strand. More likely the press or whoever got it wrong and it was an entire cable or maybe just a tube. -vb
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I'm fairly certain that the telco huts or CO's have to accomodate multiple groups having access, so I'd bet that a padlock probably is a tough sell :( Its very interesting that the 'critical infrastructure' has seemingly loose security on such vital parts. Actually padlocks are quite common. When multiple organizations need entrance into a single gated area, its standard practice to have each of them put a padlock onto a string, separated by only one or two links of chain. When you want access you just unlock your padlock. Low tech but works pretty well considering the weak point in a chain-link fence is usually the chain-link, at least where a serious saboteur is concerned. We are collocated in about a hundred ROW huts and the security is usually aimed at preventing casual vandalism. -vb
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Not having seen the entire cut, I would have to imagin the entirebundle was cut and the poor splicers had their hands full. -Henry"Vincent J. Bono" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The quesiton isn't so much how someone cut a fiber strand, but why the failure of a single fiber strand had such an impact on the telephone service in the region.I'd be willing to bet it wasn't a single "strand". More likely the press orwhoever got it wrong and it was an entire cable or maybe just a tube.-vb
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Maybe I'm missing something, but, if you have the bolt cutters, I don't see why you need the key to an adjacent lock or any of the locks. Additionally, most of these things are in remote enough locations that you are unlikely to be observed using the bolt cutters to gain access to the site. It's not like the requirement for a set of bolt cutters is a high barrier to entry for a thug that wants into the site. John is right about American Towers. They use the same combination at ALL of their sites and their security company will happily tell anyone that they think should have access what the standard combination is. American Tower is one of the worst-run operations I have ever encountered. Owen --On Monday, November 3, 2003 2:59 AM -0500 Paul Timmins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Indeed many places have multiple padlocks locked together and then hooked to a chain. Any padlock opened unlocks the chain. This really only works for chained shut gates, but it's works rather well, and you can revoke access with the key from an adjacent lock and a pair of boltcutters. This is how the cell companies seem to do it around here in East Michigan, and it seems to work quite well. Point being, they should have -some- way to lock the place up so not just anyone can waltz in and cut fibers. It can't really be that hard. -Paul On Mon, 2003-11-03 at 01:24, JC Dill wrote: At 08:53 PM 11/2/2003, you wrote: I'm fairly certain that the telco huts or CO's have to accomodate multiple groups having access, so I'd bet that a padlock probably is a tough sell There are special latches that accommodate multiple padlocks, where unlocking any one padlock opens the latch. They are routinely used on private gates in remote areas where each property owner (and the local fire department) have individual locks on the gate and opening any one lock allows access. One such device is shown on here: http://www.tayhope.com/mlus.htm jc -- Paul Timmins [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- If it wasn't signed, it probably didn't come from me. pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
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Please tell me what phone companies you've been working with. As a rule, the ones I've experienced build whatever is the path of least resistance and often do stupid telco tricks like folded rings and single entries into buildings unless you stand over them with a bull-whip and insist that they do better. I'd love to know of a telco that does this right without having to stand over them. Owen --On Monday, November 3, 2003 8:15 AM -0500 Douglas S. Peeples [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What you describe is a folded ring and is indicative of either a temporary solution or bad network design. As a rule, phone companies and capacity suppliers build very robust systems. Douglas S. Peeples Technology Assurance Labs -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Bruns Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 7:39 AM To: Henry Linneweh; Vincent J. Bono; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Sean Donelan Subject: Re: Sabotage investigation of fiber cuts in Northwest - Original Message - From: Henry Linneweh To: Vincent J. Bono ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Sean Donelan Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 6:02 AM Subject: Re: Sabotage investigation of fiber cuts in Northwest Not having seen the entire cut, I would have to imagine the entire bundle was cut and the poor splicers had their hands full. From experience, I can say that its quite easy to sabatoge a fiber run. The perfect example - a few years ago when I was a network admin, the whole NOC where the bulk of our T1s were went out suddenly one morning. We discovered that less then a block away a fiber seeking backhoe dug right through the fibers - both the primary *and* secondary fibers - because Verizon burried them both in the same trench rather then run them separate routes. So, the supposed redundancy went right out the window. The phone companies really aren't helping the situation one bit by doing stuff like this. -- Brian Bruns The Summit Open Source Development Group Open Solutions For A Closed World / Anti-Spam Resources http://www.sosdg.org The AHBL - http://www.ahbl.org -- If it wasn't signed, it probably didn't come from me. pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
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On Mon, 2003-11-03 at 10:07, Owen DeLong wrote: Maybe I'm missing something, but, if you have the bolt cutters, I don't see why you need the key to an adjacent lock or any of the locks. If you want to reconnect the chain back together without replacing the lock, you'll need a key from an adjacent lock so you can lock the lock on the left back on the lock to the right, or vice versa. Additionally, most of these things are in remote enough locations that you are unlikely to be observed using the bolt cutters to gain access to the site. It's not like the requirement for a set of bolt cutters is a high barrier to entry for a thug that wants into the site. Agreed, of course, to a determined criminal, even doors and locks won't keep him out. But at bare minimum they could at least TRY to have some semblance of security. Actually locking things would be a start. John is right about American Towers. They use the same combination at ALL of their sites and their security company will happily tell anyone that they think should have access what the standard combination is. haha. Sounds like a nice, high security operation. -Paul
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On Mon, 3 Nov 2003, Owen DeLong wrote: Maybe I'm missing something, but, if you have the bolt cutters, I don't see why you need the key to an adjacent lock or any of the locks. If you want to put the chain back together, you'll need to open one of the locks, or add another lock in it's place. This assumes a legit need to remove someones lock. If you just want to get in, boltcutters will usually do it. Or even a pair of dykes can get you past most chain-link fence.. ...david --- david raistrick [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.expita.com/nomime.html
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Owen DeLong wrote: Maybe I'm missing something, but, if you have the bolt cutters, I don't see why you need the key to an adjacent lock or any of the locks. Additionally, most of these things are in remote enough locations that you are unlikely to be observed using the bolt cutters to gain access to the site. It's not like the requirement for a set of bolt cutters is a high barrier to entry for a thug that wants into the site. To lock somebody out, all you need is another of your own padlocks to lockout the padloct you want to exclude. The owner of the locked-out lock can then remove their lock if they want to without unlocking the gate. Bolt-cutters are the master key where you have no other key.
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www.telcove.com They are running a DS3 'through' our building, enters one side and exits the other. They refused to run a spur but are adding a loop for us. I'd love to know of a telco that does this right without having to stand over them. Ray Burkholder [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oneunified.net 704 576 5101 -- Scanned for viruses and dangerous content at http://www.oneunified.net and is believed to be clean.
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Speaking on Deep Background, the Press Secretary whispered: Maybe I'm missing something, but, if you have the bolt cutters, I don't see why you need the key to an adjacent lock or any of the locks. If you want to reconnect the chain back together without replacing the lock, you'll need a key from an adjacent lock so you can lock the lock on the left back on the lock to the right, or vice versa. Nope! Just add your own lock. As long as it's not shiny new, no one will ever notice.each party cares exclusively about her own access, not who else might also be getting in... -- A host is a host from coast to [EMAIL PROTECTED] no one will talk to a host that's close[v].(301) 56-LINUX Unless the host (that isn't close).pob 1433 is busy, hung or dead20915-1433
RE: Sabotage investigation of fiber cuts in Northwest
I tend to agree, fiber rings when built out correctly have subtending rings to handle redundancy with extremely low delay times 50ms at worse -Henry"Douglas S. Peeples" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What you describe is a folded ring and is indicative of either a temporarysolution or bad network design. As a rule, phone companies and capacitysuppliers build very robust systems. Douglas S. PeeplesTechnology Assurance Labs-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf OfBrian BrunsSent: Monday, November 03, 2003 7:39 AMTo: Henry Linneweh; Vincent J. Bono; [EMAIL PROTECTED]Cc: Sean DonelanSubject: Re: Sabotage investigation of fiber cuts in Northwest - Original Message - From: Henry LinnewehTo: Vincent J. Bono ; [EMAIL PROTECTED]Cc: Sean DonelanSent: Monday, November 03, 2003 6:02 AMSubject: Re: Sabotage investigation of fiber cuts in Northwest Not having seen the entire cut, I would have to imagin the entire bundlewas cut and the poor splicers had their hands full.From experience, I can say that its quite easy to sabatoge a fiber run.Theperfect example - a few years ago when I was a network admin, the whole NOCwhere the bulk of our T1s were went out suddenly one morning. We discoveredthat less then a block away a fiber seeking backhoe dug right through thefibers - both the primary *and* secondary fibers - because Verizon burriedthem both in the same trench rather then run them separate routes. So, thesupposed redundancy went right out the window.The phone companies really aren't helping the situation one bit by doingstuff like this.--Brian BrunsThe Summit Open Source Development GroupOpen Solutions For A Closed World / Anti-Spam Resourceshttp://www.sosdg.orgThe AHBL - http://www.ahbl.org
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You'd think after three previous disruptions, that Qwest would have enabled some form of redundancy. Redundancy hell. How about a *PADLOCK*? You mean that these places aren't even locked? Who has (had) the key? That'd be the first place I looked. The most amazing things can be found on certain northern cross-country fiber routes in areas where cellphones don't work - they thought about everything putting hundred thousand dollar doors and locks to prevent those who are not supposed to get into the huts from getting there... Excellence to the nines. Of course, since no one wants to carry keys to those super secure entrances, the same time of cobination keyholders that SD and some others use to attach cabinet keys to the back of the cabinets themselves had been placed right by those super secure doors. Needless to say, it did not take long for every combination locked to be popped, keys taken out and super-secure doors opened. Alex
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Subtopics: Redundancy, Hunters. On Sun, Nov 02, 2003 at 09:37:30PM -0500, Robert M. Enger wrote: You'd think after three previous disruptions, that Qwest would have enabled some form of redundancy. If a single fiber cut takes them out, it's not _just_ Qwest's fault. A service like 911 should be buying diverse access, with access rings near the customer premises, and if they can't get it they need to be thinking about Microwaves, and if they can't get that they need to think about locating their 911 services somewhere that they _can_ get diversity. Sometimes there are right-of-way issues, so all the fibers go though one place (and I don't expect newspapers to be real precise about whether they're cutting one fiber or one bundle of fibers), but a flood or backhoe doesn't care. A decade ago it was possible to buy physically diverse T1s from most of the LECs where their networks supported it, with physical diversity between the customer prem and the wire center, though most of them no longer offer diversity at that speed (I don't remember how many still offer it at T3 and how many are only at OC3.) John Osmun wrote: Farmington, NM doesn't have any redundancy either. Two types of problems seem to drive the 3 or 4 outages in the last few years: - electrcity cut-off at fiber regen sites because no one pays the rural electric co-ops - target shooting of splice boxes One of my former customers, who's in the forestry business, runs T1 cables along their railroad tracks down in the southeast. They occasionally have the usual problems with wet cables, etc. Where they've got bridges, the cables hang down below the tracks, and those also are subject to shotgun fade during hunting season. I don't know how much of it is because birds sitting on the wires make an attractive target for guys named Bubba, and how much is that after shooting up the local stopsigns, Bubba wants more of a challenge, but either way, it seemed to have been a consistent problem. Bill Stewart
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Based on my knowledge of fiber routes in Western Fairfax and Loudoun County and also from my NASA / US Navy days, there is a whole lot of security through obscurity in the physical infrastructure. On Monday, November 3, 2003, at 08:43 AM, Alex Yuriev wrote: You'd think after three previous disruptions, that Qwest would have enabled some form of redundancy. Redundancy hell. How about a *PADLOCK*? You mean that these places aren't even locked? Who has (had) the key? That'd be the first place I looked. The most amazing things can be found on certain northern cross-country fiber routes in areas where cellphones don't work - they thought about everything putting hundred thousand dollar doors and locks to prevent those who are not supposed to get into the huts from getting there... Excellence to the nines. Of course, since no one wants to carry keys to those super secure entrances, the same time of cobination keyholders that SD and some others use to attach cabinet keys to the back of the cabinets themselves had been placed right by those super secure doors. Needless to say, it did not take long for every combination locked to be popped, keys taken out and super-secure doors opened. Alex Regards Marshall Eubanks T.M. Eubanks e-mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.telesuite.com
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The Qwest CO in downtown Bellingham WA has a large microwave drum aimed at Orcas Island in the San Juans. The Qwest tower on Orcas has line of site, and what appears to be microwave DS3 rigs aimed at both Anacortes and Friday Harbor. Friday Harbor has a spur of the fiber line (SOUTH of the cut) connecting it to Everett and Seattle. Now I'm no wireless wizard, or Qwest engineer, but it wouldn't be terribly difficult to route 911-destined calls via microwave to the 911 call center. Whatcom County, which had its 911 service knocked out due to the fiber cut does not have a local 911 emergency operations center. 911 calls are routed to somewhere in Snohomish county, approximately 55 miles south on I-5. If a single fiber cut takes them out, it's not _just_ Qwest's fault.
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At 07:32 PM 11/3/2003, John Fraizer wrote: On Mon, 3 Nov 2003, Owen DeLong wrote: Maybe I'm missing something, but, if you have the bolt cutters, I don't see why you need the key to an adjacent lock or any of the locks. Um, cutting a lock out gets it out of the mix but, you still have to have the key to one of the other locks to complete the chain again. Think about it. A cut lock can be replaced with a similar replacement lock and usually no one will be the wiser. Look at the locks here: http://www.qsl.net/kf4lhp/telweb/microwave/kiv70/padlocks.jpg The lock marked ATC is between 2 other locks (that's a hasp to its left, with rusty chain further to the left). It could be cut and replaced with a similar lock linking the other two locks, without opening either of the other two locks. On gates with many locks (I've seen chains of 6 or more), there is rarely any interest given to the locks that are not one's own responsibility. jc p.s. please do not cc me on replies - post to me only or to the list only, as you prefer
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JC Dill wrote: At 07:32 PM 11/3/2003, John Fraizer wrote: On Mon, 3 Nov 2003, Owen DeLong wrote: Maybe I'm missing something, but, if you have the bolt cutters, I don't see why you need the key to an adjacent lock or any of the locks. Um, cutting a lock out gets it out of the mix but, you still have to have the key to one of the other locks to complete the chain again. Think about it. A cut lock can be replaced with a similar replacement lock and usually no one will be the wiser. Look at the locks here: http://www.qsl.net/kf4lhp/telweb/microwave/kiv70/padlocks.jpg The lock marked ATC is between 2 other locks (that's a hasp to its left, with rusty chain further to the left). It could be cut and replaced with a similar lock linking the other two locks, without opening either of the other two locks. On gates with many locks (I've seen chains of 6 or more), there is rarely any interest given to the locks that are not one's own responsibility. I wonder if that Bell System (F7?) is ever unlocked anymore.
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The article says there were three disruptions prior to this most recent event. It goes on to say: Early in the morning of Sept. 3, some criminal strolled into a Qwest Telecommunications server station with tools in hand and carefully sliced one strand of wire. For the next 8 hours and 41 minutes Whatcom County, Bellingham and northern Snohomish County lost all telecommunications. Even 911 service was disconnected. You'd think after three previous disruptions, that Qwest would have enabled some form of redundancy. The Washington State PUC doesn't appear to be providing very good oversight. - Original Message - From: Sean Donelan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2003 8:38 PM Subject: Sabotage investigation of fiber cuts in Northwest KIRO TV has a report concerning the fiber cuts targeting a particular fiber route in the Northwest US. It has been been disrupted four times in the last two years, not by backhoes, but by someone entering a fiber hut. North Sound 911 Service Repeatedly Targeted by Chris Halsne KIRO 7 Eyewitness News Investigative Reporter [...] This person hasn't been randomly chopping entire bundles of cables, but rather he or she is using surgical precision to black out one particular 911 emergency call center. Early in the morning of Sept. 3, some criminal strolled into a Qwest Telecommunications server station with tools in hand and carefully sliced one strand of wire. [...] Operators couldn't help but feel a sense of dj vu. KIRO Team 7 Investigators have learned that someone intentionally rerouted, cut or altered 911 service to Whatcom County on three occasions in two years. Each time the criminal entered the same Qwest fiber optics hut to create the chaos. [...] http://www.kirotv.com/news/2601577/detail.html
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On Sun, Nov 02, 2003 at 09:37:30PM -0500, Robert M. Enger wrote: You'd think after three previous disruptions, that Qwest would have enabled some form of redundancy. The Washington State PUC doesn't appear to be providing very good oversight. Farmington, NM doesn't have any redundancy either. Two types of problems seem to drive the 3 or 4 outages in the last few years: - electrcity cut-off at fiber regen sites because no one pays the rural electric co-ops - target shooting of splice boxes Even though Qwest is the ILEC, you can't really blame the outages on them -- they don't own the fiber route or huts, nor do they have any way to deal with Cousin Jimmy's rattlesnake gun. I hate to see what would happen if the damage was intentional...
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On Sun, 02 Nov 2003 21:37:30 EST, Robert M. Enger [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: You'd think after three previous disruptions, that Qwest would have enabled some form of redundancy. Redundancy hell. How about a *PADLOCK*? pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sun, 02 Nov 2003 22:12:20 -0500 On Sun, 02 Nov 2003 21:37:30 EST, Robert M. Enger [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: You'd think after three previous disruptions, that Qwest would have enabled some form of redundancy. Redundancy hell. How about a *PADLOCK*? You mean that these places aren't even locked? Who has (had) the key? That'd be the first place I looked. Oh well... Back to lurk mode. - Gregory Hicks | Principal Systems Engineer Cadence Design Systems | Direct: 408.576.3609 555 River Oaks Pkwy M/S 6B1 | Fax: 408.894.3479 San Jose, CA 95134 | Internet: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by ignorance or stupidity. Asking the wrong questions is the leading cause of wrong answers The best we can hope for concerning the people at large is that they be properly armed. --Alexander Hamilton
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On Sun, 02 Nov 2003 19:38:09 PST, Gregory Hicks said: You mean that these places aren't even locked? Who has (had) the key? The article says: While the FBI scrambles to find a suspect, KIRO Team 7 Investigators went to check out security measures at the Qwest routing station. We walked straight through an unlocked gate, a wide-open door, and then mapped the interior of the building with our hidden camera. Nobody asked for ID or questioned our motives. KIRO Team 7 Investigators then headed to Qwest Corporate Headquarters in downtown Seattle. Ironically, it was lots tougher getting in there. Either the KIRO guys are lying through their teeth, or somebody dropped the ball BIG time. The bio of the guy who wrote it is here; http://www.kirotv.com/station/1868106/detail.html Either that's fibs too, or the guy is credible. Draw your own conclusions. :) pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
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On Sun, 2 Nov 2003, Sean Donelan wrote: On Sun, 2 Nov 2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Either the KIRO guys are lying through their teeth, or somebody dropped the ball BIG time. The bio of the guy who wrote it is here; I wonder has he ever tried walking into the transmission hut next to the tower of a major broadcast television or radio station? Usually when the revolution arrives, the first thing you take over is the television and radio outlets. The revolution will NOT be televised The revolution will not be brought to you by Xerox In 4 parts without commercial interruptions I'm fairly certain that the telco huts or CO's have to accomodate multiple groups having access, so I'd bet that a padlock probably is a tough sell :( Its very interesting that the 'critical infrastructure' has seemingly loose security on such vital parts.
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lets not even begin to talk about American Towers Inc cell tower and relay facilities :) :( same combo on about 60 towers I know of security comes down to the human condition its a bitch to remember all those combo's, keep them updated, or install wiggle wire card readers, bad readers lost cards, etc. like current and voltage, we take the path of least resistence. On Mon, Nov 03, 2003 at 04:53:05AM +, Christopher L. Morrow wrote: On Sun, 2 Nov 2003, Sean Donelan wrote: On Sun, 2 Nov 2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Either the KIRO guys are lying through their teeth, or somebody dropped the ball BIG time. The bio of the guy who wrote it is here; I wonder has he ever tried walking into the transmission hut next to the tower of a major broadcast television or radio station? Usually when the revolution arrives, the first thing you take over is the television and radio outlets. The revolution will NOT be televised The revolution will not be brought to you by Xerox In 4 parts without commercial interruptions I'm fairly certain that the telco huts or CO's have to accomodate multiple groups having access, so I'd bet that a padlock probably is a tough sell :( Its very interesting that the 'critical infrastructure' has seemingly loose security on such vital parts.
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On Sun, 2 Nov 2003, John Brown (CV) wrote: lets not even begin to talk about American Towers Inc cell tower and relay facilities :) :( same combo on about 60 towers I know of just like padlocks at Fairfax County Public Schools... all are key #1345 (or where when I went through that system) I assume they do similar things in most similar situations in the telco world.
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At 08:53 PM 11/2/2003, you wrote: I'm fairly certain that the telco huts or CO's have to accomodate multiple groups having access, so I'd bet that a padlock probably is a tough sell There are special latches that accommodate multiple padlocks, where unlocking any one padlock opens the latch. They are routinely used on private gates in remote areas where each property owner (and the local fire department) have individual locks on the gate and opening any one lock allows access. One such device is shown on here: http://www.tayhope.com/mlus.htm jc
