Re: XP SP2 other than windows update
The CD's are supposed to hit Comp USA and Best BUy within the next month or two for SP2. The download link in this email should work fine for you even though it is the large network install if you really need it and have broadband go for it. On Wed, 2004-09-01 at 03:59, Sean Donelan wrote: > On Wed, 1 Sep 2004, David A. Ulevitch wrote: > > > would provide). If anyone's that desperate, email me. I only used it > > > after waiting a week with the "Automatic Updates" switched on, and > > > nothing arriving. > > > > Microsoft isn't hiding the link: > > http://download.microsoft.com/download/1/6/5/165b076b-aaa9-443d-84f0-73cf11fdcdf8/WindowsXP-KB835935-SP2-ENU.exe > > CompUSA is offering to install XP SP2 on any Windows XP computer for free > if you bring your computer to any of their stores. Expect them to use > the opportunity to try to sell you some upgrades or security software. > > You can order a Free CD on the Microsoft web site. Although it says 4-6 > weeks, people report they are getting a CD in the mail in about a week. > > There has been talk about Microsoft XP SP2 CD's being distribued through > various consumer and business electronics stores. But I haven't seen > any yet. > > Thornton Cierra Group www.cierragroup.com Efficient Licensing and Consulting
Re: XP SP2 other than windows update
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Sean Donelan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes You can order a Free CD on the Microsoft web site. Although it says 4-6 weeks, people report they are getting a CD in the mail in about a week. Is distribution from all their worldwide offices, or will users outside the USA have to wait for international delivery? -- Roland Perry
Re: XP SP2 other than windows update
They will have to wait for international delivery. On Wed, 2004-09-01 at 04:18, Roland Perry wrote: > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Sean > Donelan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes > >You can order a Free CD on the Microsoft web site. Although it says 4-6 > >weeks, people report they are getting a CD in the mail in about a week. > > Is distribution from all their worldwide offices, or will users outside > the USA have to wait for international delivery? Thornton Cierra Group www.cierragroup.com Efficient Licensing and Consulting
RE: XP SP2 other than windows update
> Roland Perry wrote: > I'm an IT professional, but only one of my PCs is running XP. > And it's a full-price retail copy, not a bundled-OEM or upgrade. > Hence me feeling left out when I'm told that "IT professionals" > have already been allowed their Windows-update. Every IT professional I know has had SP2 available three different ways for two weeks: 1) Somewhere on a server for support staff to begin to experiment with and for a small set of guinea pig users to install. 2) On a CD made after the download. On my CD I also have SP1 for Office 2003. Part of being an IT professional includes maintaining an updated set of CDs carried at all times. 3) On a slipstreamed install CD for new installs. Optionally, 4a) On an SP2 image on a RIS server 4b) On a ghost images The final SP2 has been available on M$ site even for people that don't have an MSDN subscription. Anyone that wants to call themselves an "IT professional" _does_ download and try major updates _before_ they are made available to end users, period. Michel.
Re: XP SP2 other than windows update
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED] ca.us>, Michel Py <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes Every IT professional I know has had SP2 available three different ways for two weeks: 1) Somewhere on a server for support staff to begin to experiment with and for a small set of guinea pig users to install. 2) On a CD made after the download. On my CD I also have SP1 for Office 2003. Part of being an IT professional includes maintaining an updated set of CDs carried at all times. 3) On a slipstreamed install CD for new installs. Optionally, 4a) On an SP2 image on a RIS server 4b) On a ghost images The final SP2 has been available on M$ site even for people that don't have an MSDN subscription. Anyone that wants to call themselves an "IT professional" _does_ download and try major updates _before_ they are made available to end users, period. Perhaps it makes more sense when I say that I only have two users, and one of them is myself (and yes, I do have an SP1 CD). Long ago I used to Microsoft's biggest customer in Europe (I think Olivetti was the second biggest), the first major shipper of Windows /386 in the World, and well aware of the issues when rolling out new software to lots of users. The last couple of months I've been in hospital, and missed most of the hoo-ha over SP2, but now that it's officially released I was really surprised I didn't get an automatic update. -- Roland Perry
RE: XP SP2 other than windows update
Already got mine and it went nice and smooth as far as I can tell. Kudos to MS. Has anyone noticed a real impact on the internet, traffic wise, related to XP2? I'd suspect that some of the tier1's may see the traffic? Maybe not? -M -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Sean Donelan Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 7:00 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: XP SP2 other than windows update On Wed, 1 Sep 2004, David A. Ulevitch wrote: > > would provide). If anyone's that desperate, email me. I only used it > > after waiting a week with the "Automatic Updates" switched on, and > > nothing arriving. > > Microsoft isn't hiding the link: > http://download.microsoft.com/download/1/6/5/165b076b-aaa9-443d-84f0-73cf11f dcdf8/WindowsXP-KB835935-SP2-ENU.exe CompUSA is offering to install XP SP2 on any Windows XP computer for free if you bring your computer to any of their stores. Expect them to use the opportunity to try to sell you some upgrades or security software. You can order a Free CD on the Microsoft web site. Although it says 4-6 weeks, people report they are getting a CD in the mail in about a week. There has been talk about Microsoft XP SP2 CD's being distribued through various consumer and business electronics stores. But I haven't seen any yet.
Re: XP SP2 other than windows update
I would be surprised if it wasn't on akamai, which would cut down on much of the external traffic. On Wed, 1 Sep 2004 12:01:24 -0400 , Hannigan, Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Already got mine and it went nice and smooth as far as I can tell. > Kudos to MS. > > Has anyone noticed a real impact on the internet, traffic wise, related > to XP2? I'd suspect that some of the tier1's may see the traffic? Maybe > not? > > -M > -- Steven Susbauer
RE: XP SP2 other than windows update
That URL does resolve to Akamai, but I had heard a rumor they weren't going that route. -M -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Steven Susbauer Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 12:24 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: XP SP2 other than windows update I would be surprised if it wasn't on akamai, which would cut down on much of the external traffic. On Wed, 1 Sep 2004 12:01:24 -0400 , Hannigan, Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Already got mine and it went nice and smooth as far as I can tell. > Kudos to MS. > > Has anyone noticed a real impact on the internet, traffic wise, related > to XP2? I'd suspect that some of the tier1's may see the traffic? Maybe > not? > > -M > -- Steven Susbauer
Re: XP SP2 other than windows update
I hadn't heard they were keeping it off akamai. I have heard they're asking ISP's not to mirror it (and any other mirrors), and have shut down bittorrent downloads. That's understandable as they would be blamed if someone downloaded a compromised version (strange how they didn't mind Sp1 mirroring...). On Wed, 1 Sep 2004 12:30:47 -0400 , Hannigan, Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > That URL does resolve to Akamai, but I had heard a rumor > they weren't going that route. > > -M Steven Susbauer
RE: XP SP2 other than windows update
Title: Re: XP SP2 other than windows update From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Steven SusbauerSent: Wed 9/1/2004 9:49 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: XP SP2 other than windows update I hadn't heard they were keeping it off akamai. I have heard they'reasking ISP's not to mirror it (and any other mirrors), and have shutdown bittorrent downloads. That's understandable as they would beblamed if someone downloaded a compromised version (strange how theydidn't mind Sp1 mirroring...).On Wed, 1 Sep 2004 12:30:47 -0400 , Hannigan, Martin<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:>>> That URL does resolve to Akamai, but I had heard a rumor> they weren't going that route.>> -MSteven Susbauer
Re: XP SP2 other than windows update
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Steven Susbauer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes That's understandable as they would be blamed if someone downloaded a compromised version (strange how they didn't mind Sp1 mirroring...). I would have thought that they would have checksummed the file to a known value, so that any kind of corruption during downloading would be detected. -- Roland Perry
RE: XP SP2 other than windows update
> Steven Susbauer wrote: > I hadn't heard they were keeping it off akamai. Me neither. Although I had it for a while I downloaded it from the Microsoft web site again twice today (did not bother to look where it resolved), from home and office, and it came each time in less than 15 minutes for the full network install file. Maybe there's something wrong with the incremental download (which I never use, even for home) but the full download worked full speed for me each and every time I tried. > I have heard they're asking ISP's not to mirror it (and any > other mirrors), and have shut down bittorrent downloads. > That's understandable as they would be blamed if someone > downloaded a compromised version (strange how they didn't > mind Sp1 mirroring...). I can understand whu also, but it's all over eDonkey though and a little bird has emailed me several working bittorents for it (don't ask me even privately). Purely for educational purposes, I connected to eDonkey and started to download it about an hour ago. Currently I am downloading at 73kBytes/sec from 11 simultaneous sources out of 596 possible ones. http://home.pacbell.net/arn-py/photos/sp2.JPG It's not nearly as fast as downloading directly from Microsoft/Akamai though, but don't tell me that it's hard to get. When the download completes I will do a binary comparison with the one I downloaded from M$. Stay tuned. Bottom line: If you have a dial-up modem it does not matter where you get it from as it will take all night anyway, so get it from Microsoft there are less unknowns about the authenticity. If you have broadband, bittorrents gets nuked all the time and eDonkey is not as fast as Akamai, so also get it from Microsoft also. Michel.
Re: XP SP2 other than windows update
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED] ca.us>, Michel Py <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes I hadn't heard they were keeping it off akamai. Me neither. Although I had it for a while I downloaded it from the Microsoft web site again twice today (did not bother to look where it resolved), from home and office, and it came each time in less than 15 minutes for the full network install file. I have broadband, and most file downloads arrive at the full 512K. A week ago the SP2 install took over an hour, though, and when I checked the url again yesterday it started arriving at around 120kbps. -- Roland Perry
RE: XP SP2 other than windows update
Nanog folk, Last week, I downloaded XP2 SP2 on one the major P2P networks (eDonkey). Preliminary/FYI: None of the large organizations I am involved with has deployed SP2 on a large scale yet. Users that request it will likely get it (from a share on a corporate server that is); some organizations are also testing their SP2 image by rolling out some of the new PCs with SP2; help desks are still building FAQs about it as problems generated by early adopters pop in. I expect most to push it to the desktop with SMS or similar within a month. Hard facts: - The P2P download took two hours. Ymmv. - The file was legit (I did a binary compare with the original; matches). The file I downloaded is WindowsXP-KB835935-SP2-ENU.exe. This is the full install; the slower your connection to the net is the more you want to download this only one-time and make it available locally and burn a CD with it. - The original file has been available from Microsoft for at least three weeks free of charge, no need for any kind of signup. Comments: - If I did not have the original file I would not have know which one to grab. The most distributed files were complete slipstreams, not SP only (I selected the best file of matching size). - Two hours for 266 MB is not too shabby in the absolute, but the original downloaded in less than 15 minutes from home each time and tried and a lot less from the office depending where I was. - On some P2P systems this kind of download speed can typically be achieved only by sharing files to get a good U/L ratio. People that don't share files would get at the end of the queue. - I typically get much better download speeds while sharing than people with an el-cheapo router because I QOS the upstream; one of the annoyances of sharing files is that it will tend to clog the upstream making even surfing rather painful. - Downloading with P2P requests installing a client and possibly poking holes in the NAT/Firewall. - There is a trust issue. When the file I get is from Microsoft from a download that I initiated myself not by clicking on a link provided by someone else, I would tend to trust it. OTOH, all P2P systems feature large amounts of illegal contents, including some that does not even exist (Norton utilities 2004, anyone?). - I never experienced nor heard any significant pipe clogging because of SP2. Contrary to some FUD propagated earlier there was no operational issue as a consequence of the download process. Conclusion: I did not see any advantage of using P2P to download XP SP2 and several drawbacks. I will continue to download patches directly from vendors. Michel.
RE: XP SP2 other than windows update
Fwiw, XP SP2 CDs are available at some PC retail outlets. I picked one up from Best Buy late last week, and saw them again at a CompUSA over the weekend. As with the download, ymmv. -Jim P. On Mon, 2004-09-06 at 21:32, Michel Py wrote: > Nanog folk, > Last week, I downloaded XP2 SP2 on one the major P2P networks (eDonkey). > > > Preliminary/FYI: > > None of the large organizations I am involved with has deployed SP2 on a > large scale yet. Users that request it will likely get it (from a share > on a corporate server that is); some organizations are also testing > their SP2 image by rolling out some of the new PCs with SP2; help desks > are still building FAQs about it as problems generated by early adopters > pop in. I expect most to push it to the desktop with SMS or similar > within a month. > > > Hard facts: > > - The P2P download took two hours. Ymmv. > > - The file was legit (I did a binary compare with the original; > matches). The file I downloaded is WindowsXP-KB835935-SP2-ENU.exe. This > is the full install; the slower your connection to the net is the more > you want to download this only one-time and make it available locally > and burn a CD with it. > > - The original file has been available from Microsoft for at least three > weeks free of charge, no need for any kind of signup. > > > Comments: > > - If I did not have the original file I would not have know which one to > grab. The most distributed files were complete slipstreams, not SP only > (I selected the best file of matching size). > > - Two hours for 266 MB is not too shabby in the absolute, but the > original downloaded in less than 15 minutes from home each time and > tried and a lot less from the office depending where I was. > > - On some P2P systems this kind of download speed can typically be > achieved only by sharing files to get a good U/L ratio. People that > don't share files would get at the end of the queue. > > - I typically get much better download speeds while sharing than people > with an el-cheapo router because I QOS the upstream; one of the > annoyances of sharing files is that it will tend to clog the upstream > making even surfing rather painful. > > - Downloading with P2P requests installing a client and possibly poking > holes in the NAT/Firewall. > > - There is a trust issue. When the file I get is from Microsoft from a > download that I initiated myself not by clicking on a link provided by > someone else, I would tend to trust it. OTOH, all P2P systems feature > large amounts of illegal contents, including some that does not even > exist (Norton utilities 2004, anyone?). > > - I never experienced nor heard any significant pipe clogging because of > SP2. Contrary to some FUD propagated earlier there was no operational > issue as a consequence of the download process. > > > Conclusion: > I did not see any advantage of using P2P to download XP SP2 and several > drawbacks. I will continue to download patches directly from vendors. > > Michel. >
RE: XP SP2 other than windows update
not in all areas they are not at any of the retail stores here. On Mon, 2004-09-06 at 18:58, Jim Popovitch wrote: > Fwiw, XP SP2 CDs are available at some PC retail outlets. I picked one > up from Best Buy late last week, and saw them again at a CompUSA over > the weekend. As with the download, ymmv. > > -Jim P. > > On Mon, 2004-09-06 at 21:32, Michel Py wrote: > > Nanog folk, > > Last week, I downloaded XP2 SP2 on one the major P2P networks (eDonkey). > > > > > > Preliminary/FYI: > > > > None of the large organizations I am involved with has deployed SP2 on a > > large scale yet. Users that request it will likely get it (from a share > > on a corporate server that is); some organizations are also testing > > their SP2 image by rolling out some of the new PCs with SP2; help desks > > are still building FAQs about it as problems generated by early adopters > > pop in. I expect most to push it to the desktop with SMS or similar > > within a month. > > > > > > Hard facts: > > > > - The P2P download took two hours. Ymmv. > > > > - The file was legit (I did a binary compare with the original; > > matches). The file I downloaded is WindowsXP-KB835935-SP2-ENU.exe. This > > is the full install; the slower your connection to the net is the more > > you want to download this only one-time and make it available locally > > and burn a CD with it. > > > > - The original file has been available from Microsoft for at least three > > weeks free of charge, no need for any kind of signup. > > > > > > Comments: > > > > - If I did not have the original file I would not have know which one to > > grab. The most distributed files were complete slipstreams, not SP only > > (I selected the best file of matching size). > > > > - Two hours for 266 MB is not too shabby in the absolute, but the > > original downloaded in less than 15 minutes from home each time and > > tried and a lot less from the office depending where I was. > > > > - On some P2P systems this kind of download speed can typically be > > achieved only by sharing files to get a good U/L ratio. People that > > don't share files would get at the end of the queue. > > > > - I typically get much better download speeds while sharing than people > > with an el-cheapo router because I QOS the upstream; one of the > > annoyances of sharing files is that it will tend to clog the upstream > > making even surfing rather painful. > > > > - Downloading with P2P requests installing a client and possibly poking > > holes in the NAT/Firewall. > > > > - There is a trust issue. When the file I get is from Microsoft from a > > download that I initiated myself not by clicking on a link provided by > > someone else, I would tend to trust it. OTOH, all P2P systems feature > > large amounts of illegal contents, including some that does not even > > exist (Norton utilities 2004, anyone?). > > > > - I never experienced nor heard any significant pipe clogging because of > > SP2. Contrary to some FUD propagated earlier there was no operational > > issue as a consequence of the download process. > > > > > > Conclusion: > > I did not see any advantage of using P2P to download XP SP2 and several > > drawbacks. I will continue to download patches directly from vendors. > > > > Michel. > > > Thornton Cierra Group www.cierragroup.com Efficient Licensing and Consulting
Re: XP SP2 other than windows update
FWIW, SP2 rendered my Sony Vaio PCG-SR17 completely useless. From what I can tell, it replaced the PCMCIA bridge driver (pcmcia.sys) with one that does not work, and there is no way to "roll back" the driver to the pre-XP2 one without rolling back the entire OS. I am in an ongoing dialog with MS support trying to resolve the issue and will post if we discover anything significant. But for now, if your laptop uses a Ricoh PCMCIA bridge chip, I'd suggest you hold off on SP2. matto On Mon, 06 Sep 2004 21:58:08 -0400, Jim Popovitch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Fwiw, XP SP2 CDs are available at some PC retail outlets. I picked one > up from Best Buy late last week, and saw them again at a CompUSA over > the weekend. As with the download, ymmv. > > -Jim P.
RE: XP SP2 other than windows update
SP2 will take a long time to even out the quirks from Windows users. We've burned the image on to a CD for about 2000+ users and have copied the file on to users' desktops so they can double click on it for the install. For the most part, students complained about having to wait for over (and this is my averaged time) 40 minutes for the SP to install and do its pseudomagic. After some of the installs, IT began getting flooded with calls over conflicts on some of the software they'd been using. Seems like SP2 did not back up all of the necessary drivers or something in order to make the system function as it did pre-upgrade. While rambling on about SP2, I'd like to point out (as if most didn't know this anyway) that MS' answer to their problems are not going to be solved with shoddy patching. For example, the average person wants to be online, and be online right now, so what the hell do they care about firewalls, etc., this is realistic. Sure SP2 looks like a winner since it's pretty, but it's also annoying to an extent. The balloon popups on the corner do nothing to "strike fear" in a user by telling them "Your computer is not safe" in fact, I'm betting the majority of mom and pops over 45 won't bother turning on their firewalls, nor utilizing any antivirus software. In fact I bet most will turn off those notices when they figure it out. Oddly I can see people figuring out how to turn off those messages as opposed to figuring out how to properly keep their machines safe. Ironic isn't it. Considering there are free antivirus programs out there which do a pretty good job at keeping a system clean, it's sad to see that overblown commercialized products such as Norton Internet Security, McAfee and others have made people despise using security software. This comes from my experience talking with people who for one, just want to get online NOW NOW NOW, secondly, having dealt with all sorts of Outlook, Outlook Express, and other connectivity issues because Norton or McAfee thinks everything and its mother is a threat. This does not include the (l)users who just don't seem to comprehend some of the dangers of having a vulnerable machine online. Oh well... As for the deployment in a big shop, things will be quirky unless you write your own scripts to ensure MS didn't screw your company's set-ups. We had to make a VB disk for users in order to make sure they had up to date antivirus software, and to make sure they had the correct settings to do their work. =+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+ J. Oquendo GPG Key ID 0x51F9D78D Fingerprint 2A48 BA18 1851 4C99 CA22 0619 DB63 F2F7 51F9 D78D http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x51F9D78D sil @ politrix . orghttp://www.politrix.org sil @ infiltrated . net http://www.infiltrated.net "How can we account for our present situation unless we believe that men high in this government are concerting to deliver us to disaster?" Joseph McCarthy "America's Retreat from Victory"
