Re: Spamcop
Christopher McCrory [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I think this is a violation of the SpamCop TOS. Somewhere in there is says something like, Don't report stuff you asked for like mailing lists, newsletters, etc. I can't find the link now :(, but I remember seeing it in there somewhere. http://www.spamcop.net/fom-serve/cache/167.html ---rob
Re: Spamcop
JC Dill wrote: It could also simply be a mistake. The inet-access list was once reported as a spam source by a happy subscriber who was busy reporting hundreds (or thousands?) of spams and clicked /included a list post by accident. -- p.s. Please do not cc me on replies to the list. Please reply to the list only, or to me only (as you prefer) but not to both. I'm going to join the guessing game and guess that some scoring system scored on uncommon words (hierarchical), trigger words (credit), and the number of Cc: entries (I did not count the ones in the original, the complaint had a bitch-list 4 or five long, some of the responses to it have 8 or 10 Cc:'s I think--I did not count them either), the origin (Road Runner) and so on and reached the conclusion of 'spam'. Welcome to the world where email has been taken away from us. -- Requiescas in pace o email Ex turpi causa non oritur actio http://members.cox.net/larrysheldon/
Re: Spamcop
Possible someone on the list didn't understand the content, didn't realize this was sent via a mailing lists and submitted this as a spam message to SPAMCOP. Less likely someone didn't know how to get off the mailing list and this was the result. In both cases the submitter exercised bad judgement. But the mailing list could be more helpful as well. There have been no reminders from the mailing list since I signed up which I think is a good policy for a mailing list. The mailing list only uses Precedence: bulk to mark it as a mailing list. That said, this is a case of misjudgment, albeit perhaps a premature and a hasty one. Rgds, -GSH - Original Message - From: Vicky Rode [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2004 6:51 PM Subject: Spamcop Hi there, Just wondering why was my e-mail thread (Hierarchical Credit-based Queuing (HCQ): QoS) dated 5/9/2004 9:36 PM reported as a spam? Just trying to understand so that I don't repeat it. Below is a cut and paste of the reported incident. Please advice. regards, /vicky cut here -- Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: from vamx01.mgw.rr.com ([24.28.193.148]) by acme-reston.va.rr.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-59787U25L25S0V35) with SMTP id com for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mon, 10 May 2004 10:42:14 -0400 Received: from vmx2.spamcop.net (vmx2.spamcop.net [206.14.107.117]) by vamx01.mgw.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i4AEkwhn017175 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mon, 10 May 2004 10:47:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sc-app3.verio.ironport.com (HELO spamcop.net) (192.168.11.203) by vmx2.spamcop.net with SMTP; 10 May 2004 07:47:00 -0700 Received: from [68.13.211.63] by spamcop.net with HTTP; Mon, 10 May 2004 14:47:01 GMT From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [SpamCop (24.30.181.126) id:988145978]Hierarchical Credit-based Queuing (HCQ): QoS Precedence: list Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sun, 9 May 2004 21:36:30 -0700 (PDT) X-SpamCop-sourceip: 24.30.181.126 X-Mailer: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; .NET CLR 1.0.3705) via http://www.spamcop.net/ v1.3.4 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine [ SpamCop V1.3.4 ] This message is brief for your comfort. Please use links below for details. Email from 24.30.181.126 / Sun, 9 May 2004 21:36:30 -0700 (PDT) http://www.spamcop.net/w3m?i=z988145978zab5cec781dcfa15ae459c11bd03b7bef z [ Offending message ] Return-path: owner-x Envelope-to: x Delivery-date: Mon, 10 May 2004 00:39:15 -0400 Received: from [198.108.1.26] (helo=trapdoor.merit.edu) by wilma.widomaker.com with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1BN2ZP-000Jo6-00 for x; Mon, 10 May 2004 00:39:15 -0400 Received: by trapdoor.merit.edu (Postfix) id B68EC91206; Mon, 10 May 2004 00:36:37 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: x Received: by trapdoor.merit.edu (Postfix, from userid 56) id 8645591243; Mon, 10 May 2004 00:36:37 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: x Received: from segue.merit.edu (segue.merit.edu [198.108.1.41]) by trapdoor.merit.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50AFD91206 for x; Mon, 10 May 2004 00:36:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by segue.merit.edu (Postfix) id 3B3955914F; Mon, 10 May 2004 00:36:34 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: x Received: from ms-smtp-02-eri0.socal.rr.com (ms-smtp-02-qfe0.socal.rr.com [66.75.162.134]) by segue.merit.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAB7358E5D for x; Mon, 10 May 2004 00:36:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.2.2] (cpe-24-30-181-126.socal.rr.com [24.30.181.126]) by ms-smtp-02-eri0.socal.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i4A4aUce025659 for x; Sun, 9 May 2004 21:36:30 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sun, 09 May 2004 21:36:41 -0700 From: Vicky Rode [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.6 (Windows/20040502) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: x Subject: Hierarchical Credit-based Queuing (HCQ): QoS X-Enigmail-Version: 0.83.6.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine Sender: owner-x Precedence: bulk Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Loop: nanog Hi there, Just wondering if anyone out there has either implemented or looked into this queuing method for quality of service implementation. This solution is offered (hardware solution) and patented by foursticks.com. According to foursticks, HCQ achieves the efficiency and flexibility of first generation queuing systems, without the disadvantages. It compares HCQ (interesting reading) w/ Class-Based Queuing (CBQ), Random Early Discard (RED) and Weighted Random Early Discard (WRED),Weighted Fair Queuing (WFQ),Priority Queuing (PQ) Low Latency Queuing (LLQ
Re: Spamcop
. There have been no reminders from the mailing list since I signed up which I think is a good policy for a mailing list. The mailing list only uses Precedence: bulk to mark it as a mailing list. the list is pretty active, so i would dare say that reminders are superfluous. an iq test at subscription time would probably work better to prevent situations like this in the future. Right, the reminder may have no value for the intended recipient which is the one that signed up. However, in the case of an inherited email address this may be valuable. But an IQ test would be nice. What should be the I to test for? Rgds, -GSH
Re: Spamcop
On Tue, 11 May 2004 21:23:55 -, =?iso-8859-1?Q?Gu=F0bj=F6rn_S._Hreinsson?= [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: But an IQ test would be nice. What should be the I to test for? http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=19991114mode=classic pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Spamcop
On Tue, 2004-05-11 at 16:35, Guðbjörn S. Hreinsson wrote: Possible someone on the list didn't understand the content, didn't realize this was sent via a mailing lists and submitted this as a spam message to SPAMCOP. Less likely someone didn't know how to get off the mailing list and this was the result. In both cases the submitter exercised bad judgement. But the mailing list could be more helpful as well. Further, Spamcop should implement some form of check to verify that the e-mail is in fact spam before they go pointing the finger and/or blocking mail servers. The problem of end users leveraging Spamcop to get them off of mailing lists or a simple way of DoSsing a discussion forum would become mute if some form of sanity checking was in place. Cheers, Chris
Re: Spamcop
Chris Brenton wrote: Further, Spamcop should implement some form of check to verify that the e-mail is in fact spam before they go pointing the finger and/or blocking mail servers. The problem of end users leveraging Spamcop to get them off of mailing lists or a simple way of DoSsing a discussion forum would become mute if some form of sanity checking was in place. As an ex-admin, I have some serious issues about the way Spamcop works, but this argument is similar to one that says a credit reporting company has to prove that you are a deadbeat before reporting that several companies you do business with report that you are late with payments a lot. And as an ex-admin that had some contact with mailing lists and their operation and managment I will say that the notion that people forgot that they subscribed to a list does not happen nearly as often as it is used to wriggle out from under a spam complaint. -- Requiescas in pace o email Ex turpi causa non oritur actio http://members.cox.net/larrysheldon/
Re: Spamcop
On Tue, 2004-05-11 at 18:15, Laurence F. Sheldon, Jr. wrote: As an ex-admin, I have some serious issues about the way Spamcop works, but this argument is similar to one that says a credit reporting company has to prove that you are a deadbeat before reporting that several companies you do business with report that you are late with payments a lot. I would agree with your analogy if Spamcop limited automatic reporting to subset of the community. The problem is they do not. I can't call up a credit agency and get them to automatically red mark your credit report. I obviously can send pretty much anything to Spamcop, claim you are a spammer and get them to act on that. Cheers, Chris
Re: Spamcop
Chris Brenton wrote: On Tue, 2004-05-11 at 18:15, Laurence F. Sheldon, Jr. wrote: As an ex-admin, I have some serious issues about the way Spamcop works, but this argument is similar to one that says a credit reporting company has to prove that you are a deadbeat before reporting that several companies you do business with report that you are late with payments a lot. I would agree with your analogy if Spamcop limited automatic reporting to subset of the community. The problem is they do not. I can't call up a credit agency and get them to automatically red mark your credit report. I obviously can send pretty much anything to Spamcop, claim you are a spammer and get them to act on that. Actually, apparently you can--we have to (actually, my dear wife has to) take the reporting houses to task every now and again because they report, on occasion, that we are somehow connected to people who have financial difficulty. Sometimes it is people we know, but have no responsibility for, sometimes it is people whose account numbers are related numerically to ours, sometimes we never find out how they got on our report. And the act on that means report that you reported it--with your privacy protected doesn't it? -- Requiescas in pace o email Ex turpi causa non oritur actio http://members.cox.net/larrysheldon/
Re: Spamcop
I would agree with your analogy if Spamcop limited automatic reporting to subset of the community. The problem is they do not. In Spamcop's defence, it seems that their systems were never designed to handle the wide variety of 'attack vectors that spam uses today. Spamcop also operates on the assumption that the user is exercising some judgement when *directly* reporting spam, which is universally the case with mailing list traffic. No matter how foolproof your system, the world creates a better fool. Thankfully, all my interactions - as a web host, network operator, and mailing list manager- with Spamcop and their staff have been professional, and productive. I for one appreciate the just the facts style of reporting, and useful mechanisms for interacting with the complainers. It is a refreshing change from the usual ALL-CAPS threats and exclamation point filled diatribes, usually mailed to the wrong [EMAIL PROTECTED] addresses. --chuck
Re: Spamcop
Vicky Rode writes on 5/12/2004 12:21 AM: Just wondering why was my e-mail thread (Hierarchical Credit-based Queuing (HCQ): QoS) dated 5/9/2004 9:36 PM reported as a spam? Just That question is best asked of the admin of widowmaker.com, a user of which reported your nanog post to spamcop. Received: from [198.108.1.26] (helo=trapdoor.merit.edu) by wilma.widomaker.com with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1BN2ZP-000Jo6-00 for x; Mon, 10 May 2004 00:39:15 -0400 srs -- suresh ramasubramanian [EMAIL PROTECTED] gpg EDEDEFB9 manager, security and antispam operations, outblaze ltd
Spamcop
Hi there, Just wondering why was my e-mail thread (Hierarchical Credit-based Queuing (HCQ): QoS) dated 5/9/2004 9:36 PM reported as a spam? Just trying to understand so that I don't repeat it. Below is a cut and paste of the reported incident. Please advice. regards, /vicky cut here -- Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: from vamx01.mgw.rr.com ([24.28.193.148]) by acme-reston.va.rr.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-59787U25L25S0V35) with SMTP id com for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mon, 10 May 2004 10:42:14 -0400 Received: from vmx2.spamcop.net (vmx2.spamcop.net [206.14.107.117]) by vamx01.mgw.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i4AEkwhn017175 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mon, 10 May 2004 10:47:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sc-app3.verio.ironport.com (HELO spamcop.net) (192.168.11.203) by vmx2.spamcop.net with SMTP; 10 May 2004 07:47:00 -0700 Received: from [68.13.211.63] by spamcop.net with HTTP; Mon, 10 May 2004 14:47:01 GMT From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [SpamCop (24.30.181.126) id:988145978]Hierarchical Credit-based Queuing (HCQ): QoS Precedence: list Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sun, 9 May 2004 21:36:30 -0700 (PDT) X-SpamCop-sourceip: 24.30.181.126 X-Mailer: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; .NET CLR 1.0.3705) via http://www.spamcop.net/ v1.3.4 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine [ SpamCop V1.3.4 ] This message is brief for your comfort. Please use links below for details. Email from 24.30.181.126 / Sun, 9 May 2004 21:36:30 -0700 (PDT) http://www.spamcop.net/w3m?i=z988145978zab5cec781dcfa15ae459c11bd03b7bef z [ Offending message ] Return-path: owner-x Envelope-to: x Delivery-date: Mon, 10 May 2004 00:39:15 -0400 Received: from [198.108.1.26] (helo=trapdoor.merit.edu) by wilma.widomaker.com with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1BN2ZP-000Jo6-00 for x; Mon, 10 May 2004 00:39:15 -0400 Received: by trapdoor.merit.edu (Postfix) id B68EC91206; Mon, 10 May 2004 00:36:37 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: x Received: by trapdoor.merit.edu (Postfix, from userid 56) id 8645591243; Mon, 10 May 2004 00:36:37 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: x Received: from segue.merit.edu (segue.merit.edu [198.108.1.41]) by trapdoor.merit.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50AFD91206 for x; Mon, 10 May 2004 00:36:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by segue.merit.edu (Postfix) id 3B3955914F; Mon, 10 May 2004 00:36:34 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: x Received: from ms-smtp-02-eri0.socal.rr.com (ms-smtp-02-qfe0.socal.rr.com [66.75.162.134]) by segue.merit.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAB7358E5D for x; Mon, 10 May 2004 00:36:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.2.2] (cpe-24-30-181-126.socal.rr.com [24.30.181.126]) by ms-smtp-02-eri0.socal.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i4A4aUce025659 for x; Sun, 9 May 2004 21:36:30 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sun, 09 May 2004 21:36:41 -0700 From: Vicky Rode [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.6 (Windows/20040502) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: x Subject: Hierarchical Credit-based Queuing (HCQ): QoS X-Enigmail-Version: 0.83.6.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine Sender: owner-x Precedence: bulk Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Loop: nanog Hi there, Just wondering if anyone out there has either implemented or looked into this queuing method for quality of service implementation. This solution is offered (hardware solution) and patented by foursticks.com. According to foursticks, HCQ achieves the efficiency and flexibility of first generation queuing systems, without the disadvantages. It compares HCQ (interesting reading) w/ Class-Based Queuing (CBQ), Random Early Discard (RED) and Weighted Random Early Discard (WRED),Weighted Fair Queuing (WFQ),Priority Queuing (PQ) Low Latency Queuing (LLQ). Also can anyone recommend a qos forum which I can ping as well. Any insight will be appreciated. regards, /vicky
Re: Spamcop
Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 11:51:10 -0700 From: Vicky Rode [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Spamcop Hi there, Just wondering why was my e-mail thread (Hierarchical Credit-based Queuing (HCQ): QoS) dated 5/9/2004 9:36 PM reported as a spam? Just trying to understand so that I don't repeat it. Below is a cut and paste of the reported incident. Vicky: I'm guessing here, but it was probably because the *.rr.com addresses originate a LOT of spam and someone has a procmail filter that automatically refers any mail from that domain to spamcop... Or it could be that someone didn't like what you wrote and reported it ... Dunno. Remember, I said that I'm **guessing**. Regards, Gregory Hicks Please advice. regards, /vicky cut here -- Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: from vamx01.mgw.rr.com ([24.28.193.148]) by acme-reston.va.rr.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-59787U25L25S0V35) with SMTP id com for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mon, 10 May 2004 10:42:14 -0400 Received: from vmx2.spamcop.net (vmx2.spamcop.net [206.14.107.117]) by vamx01.mgw.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i4AEkwhn017175 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mon, 10 May 2004 10:47:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sc-app3.verio.ironport.com (HELO spamcop.net) (192.168.11.203) by vmx2.spamcop.net with SMTP; 10 May 2004 07:47:00 -0700 Received: from [68.13.211.63] by spamcop.net with HTTP; Mon, 10 May 2004 14:47:01 GMT From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [SpamCop (24.30.181.126) id:988145978]Hierarchical Credit-based Queuing (HCQ): QoS Precedence: list Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sun, 9 May 2004 21:36:30 -0700 (PDT) X-SpamCop-sourceip: 24.30.181.126 X-Mailer: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; .NET CLR 1.0.3705) via http://www.spamcop.net/ v1.3.4 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine [ SpamCop V1.3.4 ] This message is brief for your comfort. Please use links below for details. Email from 24.30.181.126 / Sun, 9 May 2004 21:36:30 -0700 (PDT) http://www.spamcop.net/w3m?i=z988145978zab5cec781dcfa15ae459c11bd03b7bef z [ Offending message ] Return-path: owner-x Envelope-to: x Delivery-date: Mon, 10 May 2004 00:39:15 -0400 Received: from [198.108.1.26] (helo=trapdoor.merit.edu) by wilma.widomaker.com with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1BN2ZP-000Jo6-00 for x; Mon, 10 May 2004 00:39:15 -0400 Received: by trapdoor.merit.edu (Postfix) id B68EC91206; Mon, 10 May 2004 00:36:37 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: x Received: by trapdoor.merit.edu (Postfix, from userid 56) id 8645591243; Mon, 10 May 2004 00:36:37 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: x Received: from segue.merit.edu (segue.merit.edu [198.108.1.41]) by trapdoor.merit.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50AFD91206 for x; Mon, 10 May 2004 00:36:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by segue.merit.edu (Postfix) id 3B3955914F; Mon, 10 May 2004 00:36:34 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: x Received: from ms-smtp-02-eri0.socal.rr.com (ms-smtp-02-qfe0.socal.rr.com [66.75.162.134]) by segue.merit.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAB7358E5D for x; Mon, 10 May 2004 00:36:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.2.2] (cpe-24-30-181-126.socal.rr.com [24.30.181.126]) by ms-smtp-02-eri0.socal.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id i4A4aUce025659 for x; Sun, 9 May 2004 21:36:30 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sun, 09 May 2004 21:36:41 -0700 From: Vicky Rode [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.6 (Windows/20040502) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: x Subject: Hierarchical Credit-based Queuing (HCQ): QoS X-Enigmail-Version: 0.83.6.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine Sender: owner-x Precedence: bulk Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Loop: nanog Hi there, Just wondering if anyone out there has either implemented or looked into this queuing method for quality of service implementation. This solution is offered (hardware solution) and patented by foursticks.com. According to foursticks, HCQ achieves the efficiency and flexibility of first generation queuing systems, without the disadvantages. It compares HCQ (interesting reading) w/ Class-Based Queuing (CBQ), Random Early Discard (RED) and Weighted Random Early Discard (WRED),Weighted Fair Queuing (WFQ),Priority Queuing (PQ) Low Latency Queuing (LLQ). Also can anyone recommend a qos forum which I can ping as well. Any insight will be appreciated. regards, /vicky --- Gregory Hicks
Re: Spamcop
On Tue, 11 May 2004 11:51:10 PDT, Vicky Rode said: Just wondering why was my e-mail thread (Hierarchical Credit-based Queuing (HCQ): QoS) dated 5/9/2004 9:36 PM reported as a spam? Just My guess is that somebody's automated tool saw credit-based and concluded that it was Yet Another Mortgage Spam... pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Spamcop
On Tue, May 11, 2004 at 12:00:14PM -0700, Gregory Hicks wrote: Just wondering why was my e-mail thread (Hierarchical Credit-based Queuing (HCQ): QoS) dated 5/9/2004 9:36 PM reported as a spam? Just trying to understand so that I don't repeat it. Below is a cut and paste of the reported incident. Vicky: I'm guessing here, but it was probably because the *.rr.com addresses originate a LOT of spam and someone has a procmail filter that automatically refers any mail from that domain to spamcop... Or it could be that someone didn't like what you wrote and reported it ... I've found that a number of people that are spamcop subscribers report messages as spam that are not when they don't know how to get removed from lists. I find this annoying and always make a note in the spamcop ticket saying they're fools when this happens. I do wish that rr.com would get a different dns naming system set up (ala comcast, using client.comcast.net or similar subdomain that does not have MX records to help with the direct-to-server SMTP problem I have with rr.com with spam..) - Jared -- Jared Mauch | pgp key available via finger from [EMAIL PROTECTED] clue++; | http://puck.nether.net/~jared/ My statements are only mine.
Re: Spamcop
Hello... On Tue, 2004-05-11 at 11:51, Vicky Rode wrote: Hi there, Just wondering why was my e-mail thread (Hierarchical Credit-based Queuing (HCQ): QoS) dated 5/9/2004 9:36 PM reported as a spam? Just trying to understand so that I don't repeat it. Below is a cut and paste of the reported incident. Please advice. I think this is a violation of the SpamCop TOS. Somewhere in there is says something like, Don't report stuff you asked for like mailing lists, newsletters, etc. I can't find the link now :(, but I remember seeing it in there somewhere. regards, /vicky snip -- Christopher McCrory The guy that keeps the servers running [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pricegrabber.com Let's face it, there's no Hollow Earth, no robots, and no 'mute rays.' And even if there were, waxed paper is no defense. I tried it. Only tinfoil works.
Re: Spamcop
On Tue, 11 May 2004 12:00:14 -0700 (PDT) Gregory Hicks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm guessing here, but it was probably because the *.rr.com addresses originate a LOT of spam and someone has a procmail filter that automatically refers any mail from that domain to spamcop... Or it could be that someone didn't like what you wrote and reported it .. Dunno. Remember, I said that I'm **guessing**. here's another guess: someone wants off of nanog, lost or didn't understand the unsubscribe instructions and is submitting nanog email to spamcop to try and get off. it's a guess, but it has happened before with other lists. richard -- Richard Welty [EMAIL PROTECTED] Averill Park Networking 518-573-7592 Java, PHP, PostgreSQL, Unix, Linux, IP Network Engineering, Security
Re: Spamcop
I got one of those during the Spring last year, when I was writing about the state of the net in Iraq. Someone used SpamCop to get my ISP's abuse desk interested in me. Not much to be said about that.
Re: Spamcop
At 12:09 PM 5/11/2004, Jared Mauch wrote: I've found that a number of people that are spamcop subscribers report messages as spam that are not when they don't know how to get removed from lists. It could also simply be a mistake. The inet-access list was once reported as a spam source by a happy subscriber who was busy reporting hundreds (or thousands?) of spams and clicked /included a list post by accident. jc -- p.s. Please do not cc me on replies to the list. Please reply to the list only, or to me only (as you prefer) but not to both.
SpamCop error (was: Re: More Gifts for a CTO who has everything ...)
Oki all, It appears that I closed the door on this too early. Then again, today is the first of April. Then again, I write about Iraq (not adulatory of any of the parties and their delights), and technotrivia, like can .iq be operated like .tp was (via an ISP in .ie) while occupied? Anyhow, SpamCop V1.3.3 is proud to point out that the following item of mail, sent to this list (nanog), meets its seal of Spam-Proval. I know cause my ISP (home) asked me Eric, what's up with this? The originating host ran FreeBSD 5.0 and sendmail 8.12.8 when the mail was sent (.9 now, obviously). From the post to nanog of the 25th, Gifts for a CTO who has everything ... (nmap 10.0.0.0/8 has side effects) Does life get any better than this Best humor reply: Setup peering with a new provider that PROXY ARPs all your destinations. Second place (tie): LART the sucker, and the perenial foam bat. Best psychology reply: ... find a high-intensity clueino source? But clueinos interact very weakly with that sort of matter... The CTO's actual reply was Do we have load that high? Were we being attacked by some script kiddies?? Very, very weak interaction. Would someone with spmacop clue look at the following and drop me a note of decode? [EMAIL PROTECTED] sent - - SpamCop V1.3.3 - This message is brief for your comfort. Please follow links for details. http://spamcop.net/w3m?i=z193709546z369077d7127270f8cd00e0f3861920f0z Email from 216.220.241.233 / Sat, 29 Mar 2003 10:21:31 -0500 (EST) Am I the only nanog'er so blessed? My ISP is now happy, so there only remains SpamBlop brain-death, or a non-gruntled nanog reader using SpamBlop to effect source-quench. Cheers, Eric
SpamCop Forgeries
FYI, for those of you who get worried when you see mail from spamcop hitting your postmaster addresses: http://www.julianhaight.com/forgery.shtml It may be forged. -- /- Marius Strom | Always carry a short length of fibre-optic cable. Professional Geek | If you get lost, then you can drop it on the System/Network Admin | ground, wait 10 minutes, and ask the backhoe http://www.marius.org/ | operator how to get back to civilization. \-| Alan Frame |--
Re: Very large JoeJob in progress against Spamcop (fwd)
Yes, we got bunch of these as well (at least 10), just two came in today. I know for sure its not actual spamcop since they send copy of email in question. Plus email was sent to all email addresses of particular dedicated hosting website, but the website is used for advertising and customers would not be showing as being from that ISP. I assumed somebody is trying to have us ignore future spamcop emails and put it in the blacklist. The ip addresses it coma from are 64.70.191.50 (valueweb), 65.67.149.57 (swbell dsl). If anybody else gets similar reports, I suggest you all ignore it or better store all them in separate folder and then sent to spamcop in case they decide to press charges for forgery (this should be criminal case I think). On Sat, 7 Sep 2002, J.A. Terranson wrote: -- Forwarded message -- Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2002 10:41:54 -0400 From: Ellen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: J.A. Terranson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Very large JoeJob in progress against Spamcop (fwd) Thanks for the CC of your email to valueweb! Ellen - Original Message - From: J.A. Terranson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, September 07, 2002 9:53 AM Subject: Very large JoeJob in progress against Spamcop (fwd) -- Forwarded message -- Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2002 08:51:00 -0500 (CDT) From: J.A. Terranson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Very large JoeJob in progress against Spamcop I have received a boatload of these, from a Valueweb customer impersonating Julian Haight/SpamCop. The subject lines vary among a fixed list, including the below Spam from your network, Spamcop is watching you, Spamcop will shut down your website, etc. Valueweb is a home-user DSL provider, and the origin IP of these is clearly not SpamCop. Yours, J.A. Terranson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Forwarded message -- Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: from spamcop.net ([64.70.191.50]) by cliff.mfn.org (8.11.1/8.9.3) with SMTP id g87AKkc12347 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Sat, 7 Sep 2002 05:20:47 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from [EMAIL PROTECTED]) Message-Id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailer: X-Mailer: Web Based Pronto From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Encoding: MIME Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary==_NextPart_38663300828774 Date: Sat, 07 Sep 2002 06:25:28 -0500 Subject: Spam from your network SpamCop.net - protecting the internet through technology Why Am I Getting This Email? You have recieved this email because spamcop.net has had recent complaints related to your network (convictedchildmolesters.org). What Types of complaints? Open mail ports, violations of our acceptable use polices, and other various complaints. EMail us for specifics... What do I need to do? Close any open relays on your network, enforce a anti spam A.U.P. (Acceptable USse Policy), and shut down abusive users. SpamCop's original spam reporting service will help you report spam quickly and accurately. Or choose from a variety of filtering options ranging from the easiest web-mail account to advanced network-wide spam blocking. Accused of spamming? Answers to most common questions. Like: My email was blocked! SpamCop got it wrong! How can I fix it? Falsely accused? What is spam? Find help here for internet and hosting providers, small and large-scale bulk mailers and advertisers. Other Questions or Comments? SpamCop has several dedicated (and spam-free) news groups where you can get help, suggest new features or report bugs. Or you can search the entire site, FAQ and all support-forum content in one place. Reporting and Filtering Options.. VISIT http://spamcop.net Copyright (c) 1998-2002 Julian Haight, All rights reserved. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
