Re: T1 Customer CPE Replacement?
They're still in business. They've been bought out, but they're still there. Curtis On Tue, 24 Feb 2004, Sameer Khosla wrote: Just to add my 2 cents, I have installed a lot of Openroute routers over the years, and have had virtually no problems with them. There is a GTX 1000 Model that is modular, for which there are T1 CSU modules available. I believe there were DSL modules as well. There was also a GTX1500 model which had the encryption hardware for VPN's. If anyone is interested, drop me a line and I'll do some digging with one of their former SE's. He has access to a fair supply of them. Sameer - Original Message - From: Curtis Maurand [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Brian Bruns [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Claydon, Tom [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2004 1:35 PM Subject: Re: T1 Customer CPE Replacement? I had excellent luck with OpenRoute (formerly Proteon) GT90's. They handle dual ethernet or T1/E1. They need an external CSU/DSU, but they get the job done and they're very stable. They will do NAT and most of the other goodies that you can think about. They also have gt900 firewall and they have a model with a hardware accelerator to handle cryptographic calculations. I installed one of the latter into a customer about 4 years ago and I've not had any trouble with it, except to upgrade the OS once to fix some wierd packet length issues surrounding IPSEC tunnels. http://www.openroute.com Curtis On Mon, 23 Feb 2004, Brian Bruns wrote: On Monday, February 23, 2004 3:37 PM [EST], Claydon, Tom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, We're looking for a good replacement for fractional T1 customers with Cisco 1600- 1700-series routers as their CPE. They are good routers, but the ongoing support costs are an issue, and we need to replace them ASAP. Someone had mentioned several CPE vendors, such as Adtran and Netopia. Are there any others, and does anyone have any pros/cons of what they're familiar with? I'm quite familiar with the Netopia R53xx series T1 routers. Excellent little routers for deplyoing to customers. Very reliable, and if you are familiar with the DSL routers, you'll be right at home. They have built in PPTP/ATMP/IPSec VPN support (both client and server), basic routing features, filtering, NAT, one-to-one IP mapping, remote syslog logging, as well as everything you'd expect in a T1 router (fractional T1 support, HDLC, PPP, FrameRelay, etc). Theres also a 56k dialup backup module which is handy. -- -- Curtis Maurand mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.maurand.com -- -- Curtis Maurand mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.maurand.com
Re: T1 Customer CPE Replacement?
I had excellent luck with OpenRoute (formerly Proteon) GT90's. They handle dual ethernet or T1/E1. They need an external CSU/DSU, but they get the job done and they're very stable. They will do NAT and most of the other goodies that you can think about. They also have gt900 firewall and they have a model with a hardware accelerator to handle cryptographic calculations. I installed one of the latter into a customer about 4 years ago and I've not had any trouble with it, except to upgrade the OS once to fix some wierd packet length issues surrounding IPSEC tunnels. http://www.openroute.com Curtis On Mon, 23 Feb 2004, Brian Bruns wrote: On Monday, February 23, 2004 3:37 PM [EST], Claydon, Tom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, We're looking for a good replacement for fractional T1 customers with Cisco 1600- 1700-series routers as their CPE. They are good routers, but the ongoing support costs are an issue, and we need to replace them ASAP. Someone had mentioned several CPE vendors, such as Adtran and Netopia. Are there any others, and does anyone have any pros/cons of what they're familiar with? I'm quite familiar with the Netopia R53xx series T1 routers. Excellent little routers for deplyoing to customers. Very reliable, and if you are familiar with the DSL routers, you'll be right at home. They have built in PPTP/ATMP/IPSec VPN support (both client and server), basic routing features, filtering, NAT, one-to-one IP mapping, remote syslog logging, as well as everything you'd expect in a T1 router (fractional T1 support, HDLC, PPP, FrameRelay, etc). Theres also a 56k dialup backup module which is handy. -- -- Curtis Maurand mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.maurand.com
T1 Customer CPE Replacement?
Title: T1 Customer CPE Replacement? Hello, We're looking for a good replacement for fractional T1 customers with Cisco 1600- 1700-series routers as their CPE. They are good routers, but the ongoing support costs are an issue, and we need to replace them ASAP. Someone had mentioned several CPE vendors, such as Adtran and Netopia. Are there any others, and does anyone have any pros/cons of what they're familiar with? Thanks, = TC -- Tom Claydon, IT/ATM Network Engineer Dobson Telephone Company phone: (405) 391-8201 cell: (405) 834-0341
Re: T1 Customer CPE Replacement?
Have you tried a softnet depot maintenance agreement. This entitles you to IOS upgrades but H/W replacement is some negotiated percentage of list price. The other guys _may_ be cheaper in the short run but hardware replacement is always like having a root canal cant speak for Netopia but I have dealt with Adtran ended up buying a spare DS3 CSU/DSU because of the experience. Cisco has many warts but they do honor their maintenance contracts unlike some other vendors who I have had the misfortune of dealing with. Scott C. McGrath On Mon, 23 Feb 2004, Claydon, Tom wrote: Hello, We're looking for a good replacement for fractional T1 customers with Cisco 1600- 1700-series routers as their CPE. They are good routers, but the ongoing support costs are an issue, and we need to replace them ASAP. Someone had mentioned several CPE vendors, such as Adtran and Netopia. Are there any others, and does anyone have any pros/cons of what they're familiar with? Thanks, = TC -- Tom Claydon, IT/ATM Network Engineer Dobson Telephone Company phone: (405) 391-8201 cell: (405) 834-0341
RE: T1 Customer CPE Replacement?
We have tens of thousands of Netopia's in service for our T-1, SDSL and ADSL customers. Netopia has been a great company to work with. Their devices are fairly feature packed for what is needed on an edge device. They are missing advanced routing such as OSPF and BGP, however. The devices are either driven by an easy to use menu system or you can hit ctrl-n and jump to the CLI. If the unit is under warranty, then getting a replacement for a failed unit should not be an issue. I can't say what our failure rate has been, but I can say that with all of the options out there (cisco, efficient, etc), if they had been a problem, we would not still be shipping them. -Sean Sean Crandall VP Engineering Operations MegaPath Networks Inc. 6691 Owens Drive Pleasanton, CA 94588 (925) 201-2530 (office) (925) 201-2550 (fax) -Original Message- From: Scott McGrath [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Have you tried a softnet depot maintenance agreement. This entitles you to IOS upgrades but H/W replacement is some negotiated percentage of list price. The other guys _may_ be cheaper in the short run but hardware replacement is always like having a root canal cant speak for Netopia but I have dealt with Adtran ended up buying a spare DS3 CSU/DSU because of the experience. Cisco has many warts but they do honor their maintenance contracts unlike some other vendors who I have had the misfortune of dealing with. Scott C. McGrath On Mon, 23 Feb 2004, Claydon, Tom wrote: Hello, We're looking for a good replacement for fractional T1 customers with Cisco 1600- 1700-series routers as their CPE. They are good routers, but the ongoing support costs are an issue, and we need to replace them ASAP. Someone had mentioned several CPE vendors, such as Adtran and Netopia. Are there any others, and does anyone have any pros/cons of what they're familiar with? Thanks, = TC -- Tom Claydon, IT/ATM Network Engineer Dobson Telephone Company phone: (405) 391-8201 cell: (405) 834-0341
Re: T1 Customer CPE Replacement?
Once upon a time, Scott McGrath [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: The other guys _may_ be cheaper in the short run but hardware replacement is always like having a root canal cant speak for Netopia but I have dealt with Adtran ended up buying a spare DS3 CSU/DSU because of the experience. Hmm, we've had hardware replaced by Adtran lots of times; the only problem we experienced was they didn't know how to handle one of our guys driving up to receiving (I guess if we had a big brown truck they'd have been okay). We ended up having to ship something across town; I think UPS thought we were crazy. -- Chris Adams [EMAIL PROTECTED] Systems and Network Administrator - HiWAAY Internet Services I don't speak for anybody but myself - that's enough trouble.
Re: T1 Customer CPE Replacement?
On Monday, February 23, 2004 3:37 PM [EST], Claydon, Tom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, We're looking for a good replacement for fractional T1 customers with Cisco 1600- 1700-series routers as their CPE. They are good routers, but the ongoing support costs are an issue, and we need to replace them ASAP. Someone had mentioned several CPE vendors, such as Adtran and Netopia. Are there any others, and does anyone have any pros/cons of what they're familiar with? I'm quite familiar with the Netopia R53xx series T1 routers. Excellent little routers for deplyoing to customers. Very reliable, and if you are familiar with the DSL routers, you'll be right at home. They have built in PPTP/ATMP/IPSec VPN support (both client and server), basic routing features, filtering, NAT, one-to-one IP mapping, remote syslog logging, as well as everything you'd expect in a T1 router (fractional T1 support, HDLC, PPP, FrameRelay, etc). Theres also a 56k dialup backup module which is handy. -- Brian Bruns The Summit Open Source Development Group Open Solutions For A Closed World / Anti-Spam Resources http://www.sosdg.org The Abusive Hosts Blocking List http://www.ahbl.org
