The Geography of Spam

2004-03-02 Thread sgorman1


Thought folks might find this blurb from Sophos on the geography of Spam interesting.  
30% of Spam, they report, comes from hijacked PC's.  Matches pretty close to what we 
see across our network - i.e. all sorts of stuff from swbell.net

o U.S. Routes More Spam than World Combined, Study Shows 

Paris -- Intentionally or not, the U.S. routes more spam e-mail traffic
than the rest of the world combined, according to a new study by
anti-virus firm Sophos. The study concludes that most of the unsolicited
junk e-mails originate in Russia and then passes through hacked computers
in the U.S. More than 30% of the world's spam is sent from these
compromised computers, underlining the need for a coordinated approach to
spam and viruses, said Charles Cousins, Sophos' Asia managing director .
The U.S. accounts for a whopping 56% of the global spam pie, followed by
Canada with 6.8%. Europe did not fair very well in the report either, with
the Netherlands (5th), Germany (7th), France (8th), the U.K. (9th) and
Spain (12th) all making the list.
http://www.sophos.com/spaminfo/articles/dirtydozen.html




Re: The Geography of Spam

2004-03-02 Thread Brian Bruns

On Tuesday, March 02, 2004 11:11 AM [EST], [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 Thought folks might find this blurb from Sophos on the geography of Spam
 interesting.  30% of Spam, they report, comes from hijacked PC's.  Matches
 pretty close to what we see across our network - i.e. all sorts of stuff
 from swbell.net

 o U.S. Routes More Spam than World Combined, Study Shows

 Paris -- Intentionally or not, the U.S. routes more spam e-mail traffic
 than the rest of the world combined, according to a new study by
 anti-virus firm Sophos. The study concludes that most of the unsolicited
 junk e-mails originate in Russia and then passes through hacked computers
 in the U.S. More than 30% of the world's spam is sent from these
 compromised computers, underlining the need for a coordinated approach to
 spam and viruses, said Charles Cousins, Sophos' Asia managing director .
 The U.S. accounts for a whopping 56% of the global spam pie, followed by
 Canada with 6.8%. Europe did not fair very well in the report either, with
 the Netherlands (5th), Germany (7th), France (8th), the U.K. (9th) and
 Spain (12th) all making the list.
 http://www.sophos.com/spaminfo/articles/dirtydozen.html

I guess I can say, that I can somewhat agree with what they are saying, but
the percentage seems to be a bit lower then what I would have said.  With the
recent round of viruses that seem to be designed to help spammers hijack end
user machines, I'd say the percentage is more towards 45-50%.  Sometimes its
very hard to tell the difference between an open proxy, and a drone running an
open proxy (take the AHBL's proxy list, which is over 410,000 proxies listed,
and our infected/hijacked machine count comes nowhere near that).

Part of the reason why alot of the spam comes from outside of the US is
because US spammers need to hide their actual locations in order to avoid
getting snared by CAN-SPAM and similar.  This is why Ralsky bases his spamming
campaigns out of China, where the laws are more relaxed in terms of this
stuff, and is less likely to get yanked off of his net connection.  This is
also why spammers have 'fronts'.  :-)


-- 
Brian Bruns
The Summit Open Source Development Group
Open Solutions For A Closed World / Anti-Spam Resources
http://www.sosdg.org

The Abusive Hosts Blocking List
http://www.ahbl.org



Re: The Geography of Spam

2004-03-02 Thread sgorman1


I should add that I meant to say it matches the fact we gets lots of spam from 
hijacked machines - not the 30% number.  We have just been looking at a few machines, 
but would love to see or hear about anyone who has bigger datasets to work with.


- Original Message -
From: Brian Bruns [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tuesday, March 2, 2004 11:23 am
Subject: Re: The Geography of Spam

 
 On Tuesday, March 02, 2004 11:11 AM [EST], [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:
 
  Thought folks might find this blurb from Sophos on the geography 
 of Spam
  interesting.  30% of Spam, they report, comes from hijacked 
 PC's.  Matches
  pretty close to what we see across our network - i.e. all sorts 
 of stuff
  from swbell.net
 
  o U.S. Routes More Spam than World Combined, Study Shows
 
  Paris -- Intentionally or not, the U.S. routes more spam e-mail 
 traffic than the rest of the world combined, according to a new 
 study by
  anti-virus firm Sophos. The study concludes that most of the 
 unsolicited junk e-mails originate in Russia and then passes 
 through hacked computers
  in the U.S. More than 30% of the world's spam is sent from these
  compromised computers, underlining the need for a coordinated 
 approach to
  spam and viruses, said Charles Cousins, Sophos' Asia managing 
 director .
  The U.S. accounts for a whopping 56% of the global spam pie, 
 followed by
  Canada with 6.8%. Europe did not fair very well in the report 
 either, with
  the Netherlands (5th), Germany (7th), France (8th), the U.K. 
 (9th) and
  Spain (12th) all making the list.
  http://www.sophos.com/spaminfo/articles/dirtydozen.html
 
 I guess I can say, that I can somewhat agree with what they are 
 saying, but
 the percentage seems to be a bit lower then what I would have 
 said.  With the
 recent round of viruses that seem to be designed to help spammers 
 hijack end
 user machines, I'd say the percentage is more towards 45-50%.  
 Sometimes its
 very hard to tell the difference between an open proxy, and a 
 drone running an
 open proxy (take the AHBL's proxy list, which is over 410,000 
 proxies listed,
 and our infected/hijacked machine count comes nowhere near that).
 
 Part of the reason why alot of the spam comes from outside of the 
 US is
 because US spammers need to hide their actual locations in order 
 to avoid
 getting snared by CAN-SPAM and similar.  This is why Ralsky bases 
 his spamming
 campaigns out of China, where the laws are more relaxed in terms 
 of this
 stuff, and is less likely to get yanked off of his net connection. 
 This is
 also why spammers have 'fronts'.  :-)
 
 
 -- 
 Brian Bruns
 The Summit Open Source Development Group
 Open Solutions For A Closed World / Anti-Spam Resources
 http://www.sosdg.org
 
 The Abusive Hosts Blocking List
 http://www.ahbl.org
 
 



Re: The Geography of Spam

2004-03-02 Thread Michael Airhart


[snip]
Somehow it seems like when you take into account the number of PCs on high 
speed connections, these numbers make a lot of sense.  The US has a large 
population of these PCs so yeah, duh, the US leads in compromised hosts.

IMO, what would be a really useful report or study is to expose the 
companies that are actually making money from spam advertising.  If it 
didn't work, these companies would hire firms to spam.  Follow the 
money.  Where does it go?  How can legal avenues be used to make spam as 
expensive direct mail or telemarketing?  (lawsuits, criminal prosecution, ?)

IMO

Michael
(speaking only for myself, ignore my @domain)
anti-virus firm Sophos. The study concludes that most of the unsolicited
junk e-mails originate in Russia and then passes through hacked computers
in the U.S. More than 30% of the world's spam is sent from these
compromised computers, underlining the need for a coordinated approach to
spam and viruses, said Charles Cousins, Sophos' Asia managing director .
The U.S. accounts for a whopping 56% of the global spam pie, followed by
Canada with 6.8%. Europe did not fair very well in the report either, with
the Netherlands (5th), Germany (7th), France (8th), the U.K. (9th) and
Spain (12th) all making the list.
http://www.sophos.com/spaminfo/articles/dirtydozen.html



Re: The Geography of Spam

2004-03-02 Thread Joe Abley


On 2 Mar 2004, at 15:57, Michael Airhart wrote:



[snip]
Somehow it seems like when you take into account the number of PCs on 
high speed connections, these numbers make a lot of sense.  The US has 
a large population of these PCs so yeah, duh, the US leads in 
compromised hosts.
Well, the report Broadband Internet Access in OECD Countries shows 
that in 2002 only 36% of all broadband internet users were in the US. 
That's a greater proportion than any other single country, but 
according to that report most broadband subscribers are not in the US.

http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DOC-239660A2.pdf

The quoted report said the U.S. routes more spam e-mail traffic than 
the rest of the world combined, not ... than any other single 
country.

So it appears there might be other forces at work than simply more 
broadband users.

Joe



Re: The Geography of Spam

2004-03-02 Thread william(at)elan.net


 On 2 Mar 2004, at 15:57, Michael Airhart wrote:
  Somehow it seems like when you take into account the number of PCs on 
  high speed connections, these numbers make a lot of sense.  The US has 
  a large population of these PCs so yeah, duh, the US leads in 
  compromised hosts.
 
 Well, the report Broadband Internet Access in OECD Countries shows 
 that in 2002 only 36% of all broadband internet users were in the US. 
 That's a greater proportion than any other single country, but 
 according to that report most broadband subscribers are not in the US.
Correct, so spamsources outside US will continue to increase.
 
 The quoted report said the U.S. routes more spam e-mail traffic than 
 the rest of the world combined, not ... than any other single 
 country.
Also correct. My own source (including @sophos) actually tell me the 
report of 30% from zombies is understatement, its likely to be over 50% now
and stil growing - typical setup for spammer (who is actually quite 
likely to be from US) involves getting dedicated server offhsore, such as 
china, korea, russia, brazil; then getting/buying initial set of zombies 
where some are thereafter used to scan for vulnerable hosts and infect 
them and most are setup to spew (or act as proxy for their offshore 
server that actually does the sending of) spam. 

 So it appears there might be other forces at work than simply more 
 broadband users.
There are still some spammers sending directly (that are trying to operate 
within the law, provide postal opt-out - usually in Florida, etc). 

Additionally reasons for highier percentage in US that I can think of:
 1. Number of IPs assigned to US is quite a bit highier in percentage to what
 is assigned to rest of the world. If somebody is scanning fo find vulnerable
 hosts from entire net, their chance of finding US ip is quite high.
 2. In US every DSL line would have its own ip, sometimes more then one
 but in foreign countries, availability of ips to ISPs is still smaller
 then in US and some still use NAT and other means
 3. Outside US less number of people (as percentage of total population in 
 some country) have access to broadband and as such those who do are more 
 advanced in their computer skills and better educated (and know not to open
 attachments from unknown sources) where as in US number of dumb users 
 is highier just because the broadband has penetrated population at-mass.
 4. Some countries with high number of broadband users (such as Korea) are
 bad as source for email spam because of previous experience of them not 
 dealing quickly with abuse reports - those countries are simply blocked. 
 5. Because most target for spammers are in US, if spammer has choice between
 US and foreign proxies some may choose US because it will work better (some
 other may on the other hand choose offshore as its less likely to be traced
 to him, but usually with server already offshore they don't care that much).

There are probably other reasons I could not immediatly think of but as 
broadband penetration boom in US slows down and in other countries its just
picking up, the percentage of spam from US zombies will slowly go down.

-- 
William Leibzon
Elan Networks
[EMAIL PROTECTED]