Re: Yahoo and Cisco to submit e-mail ID spec to IETF
On Jul 12, 2005, at 4:09 PM, william(at)elan.net wrote: On Tue, 12 Jul 2005, Dave Crocker wrote: Roaylty-free does not mean it can be used by everyone. it would probably help to debate the licensing details when folks have looked at the specific language of the licensing agreement(s). Not being lawyer myself, it would probably help to know opinion of lawyer well familiar with GNU and other opensource licenses. However statement that roaylty free in no way implies that license is compatible with requirements of open-source is absolutly correct. http://domainkeys.sourceforge.net/license/patentlicense1-1.html IANAL. With regards to Yahoo!, for all intents and purposes it appears to be a modified BSD license with regards to usability. There are some added provisions regarding IP claims against Yahoo! but if that's the only gotcha, I'm more than pleased. It doesn't appear to have any provision which would make it OSL incompatible. Once again, IANAL but I know one on TV. This is the patent license written for DomainKeys referenced in the DKIM draft, if anyone knows of a more appropriate license to apply, let me know.
Re: Yahoo and Cisco to submit e-mail ID spec to IETF
On Mon, Jul 11, 2005 at 02:22:07PM +, Fergie (Paul Ferguson) wrote: Yahoo and Cisco Monday plan to announce they will submit their e-mail authentication specification, DomainKeys Identified Mail (DKIM), to the IETF to be considered as an industry standard. None of these have the slightest operational value. They are either (a) attempts to exert control over email (for profit, of course) or (b) PR exercises -- for instance, in Yahoo's case, to distract attention from the enormous amount of spam/spam support coming from or facilitated by Yahoo Stores and their freemail operation. See, for instance: Spammers Continue to be the Biggest (By Far) Supporters of Email Authentication http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20050711/1945259_F.shtml Oh, not that I expect the backers of these schemes to stop flogging them -- apparently they've managed, mostly by grandisose and bogus claims, to convince at least _some_ gullible people that they have the answer to spam. But they don't -- even if the perfect email auth method existed (and of course it doesn't) and was instantaneously and globally deployed tomorrow (ha!), the effect on SMTP spam would be a momentary hiccup, no more, and of course the effect on other forms of spam would be zero. ---Rsk
Re: Yahoo and Cisco to submit e-mail ID spec to IETF
Roaylty-free does not mean it can be used by everyone. it would probably help to debate the licensing details when folks have looked at the specific language of the licensing agreement(s). begin:vcard fn:Dave Crocker n:Crocker;Dave adr:;;;Sunnyvale;CA;94086;USA email;internet:dcrocker a t ... tel;work:+1.408.246.8253 url:http://bbiw.net version:2.1 end:vcard
Re: Yahoo and Cisco to submit e-mail ID spec to IETF
On Tue, 12 Jul 2005, Dave Crocker wrote: Roaylty-free does not mean it can be used by everyone. it would probably help to debate the licensing details when folks have looked at the specific language of the licensing agreement(s). Not being lawyer myself, it would probably help to know opinion of lawyer well familiar with GNU and other opensource licenses. However statement that roaylty free in no way implies that license is compatible with requirements of open-source is absolutly correct. -- William Leibzon Elan Networks [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Yahoo and Cisco to submit e-mail ID spec to IETF
More info: [snip] Yahoo and Cisco Monday plan to announce they will submit their e-mail authentication specification, DomainKeys Identified Mail (DKIM), to the IETF to be considered as an industry standard. Discussions on DKIM will begin at the IETF meeting in Paris scheduled to run between July 31 and August 5, Yahoo and Cisco officials said. DKIM combines Yahoo's DomainKeys and Cisco's Internet Identified Mail, two e-mail authentication technologies developed separately, which the companies announced in June they would combine with the intention of licensing the resulting specification royalty-free throughout the industry. [snip] http://www.networkworld.com/news/2005/071105-yahoo-cisco.html - ferg p.s. Of course, this development comes on the heels of two other methods for e-mail authentication already published by the IETF as experimental RFC's: Sender Policy Framework (SPF) for Authorizing Use of Domains in E-Mail and Microsoft's Sender ID: Authenticating E-Mail. http://news.com.com/Antispam+proposals+advance/2100-1032_3-5768498.html -- Fergie, a.k.a. Paul Ferguson Engineering Architecture for the Internet [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] ferg's tech blog: http://fergdawg.blogspot.com/
Re: Yahoo and Cisco to submit e-mail ID spec to IETF
On Mon, 11 Jul 2005, Fergie (Paul Ferguson) wrote: DKIM combines Yahoo's DomainKeys and Cisco's Internet Identified Mail, two e-mail authentication technologies developed separately, which the companies announced in June they would combine with the intention of licensing the resulting specification royalty-free throughout the industry. Roaylty-free does not mean it can be used by everyone. Microsoft also promised royalty-free use of SID, but it turned out that did not extend to majority of open source programs (with rare exception of sendmail). So don't assume that something like courier-mta or postfix or exim would necessarily be able to include support for DKIM spec. p.s. Of course, this development comes on the heels of two other methods for e-mail authentication already published by the IETF as experimental RFC's: Sender Policy Framework (SPF) for Authorizing Use of Domains in E-Mail and Microsoft's Sender ID: Authenticating E-Mail. That is false information. They have not been published as experimental RFCs, only approved for publication. Publication may come later and yet may not happen at all. -- William Leibzon Elan Networks [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Yahoo and Cisco to submit e-mail ID spec to IETF
On 11/07/05, Fergie (Paul Ferguson) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yahoo and Cisco Monday plan to announce they will submit their e-mail authentication specification, DomainKeys Identified Mail (DKIM), to the IETF to be considered as an industry standard. http://www.mipassoc.org/mass/ as well
Re: Yahoo and Cisco to submit e-mail ID spec to IETF
Okay: ...two other methods for e-mail authentication have been approved by the IESG for publication as experimental RFC's... Mea culpa, - ferg -- william(at)elan.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: p.s. Of course, this development comes on the heels of two other methods for e-mail authentication already published by the IETF as experimental RFC's: Sender Policy Framework (SPF) for Authorizing Use of Domains in E-Mail and Microsoft's Sender ID: Authenticating E-Mail. That is false information. They have not been published as experimental RFCs, only approved for publication. Publication may come later and yet may not happen at all. -- Fergie, a.k.a. Paul Ferguson Engineering Architecture for the Internet [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] ferg's tech blog: http://fergdawg.blogspot.com/
Re: Yahoo and Cisco to submit e-mail ID spec to IETF
On 11-jul-2005, at 14:22, Fergie (Paul Ferguson) wrote: Discussions on DKIM will begin at the IETF meeting in Paris scheduled to run between July 31 and August 5, Yahoo and Cisco officials said. Then there must be a draft submitted earlier today or before. Anyone know the title?
Re: Yahoo and Cisco to submit e-mail ID spec to IETF
On 07/11/05, Iljitsch van Beijnum [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 11-jul-2005, at 14:22, Fergie (Paul Ferguson) wrote: Discussions on DKIM will begin at the IETF meeting in Paris scheduled to run between July 31 and August 5, Yahoo and Cisco officials said. Then there must be a draft submitted earlier today or before. Anyone know the title? draft-allman-dkim-base and draft-allman-dkim-ssp -- J.D. Falk a decade of cybernothing.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] registered 24 June 1995
