Re: insane over-regulation - what not to do

2006-06-21 Thread Randy Bush

> That's going to be fun to watch.

from the outside, not from the inside

randy



Re: insane over-regulation - what not to do

2006-06-21 Thread David W. Hankins
On Wed, Jun 21, 2006 at 10:36:04AM -0700, Randy Bush wrote:
> the whole thing as a piece.  it looks to be a, likely well-meaning,
> attempt by a gang of bureaucrats and a fancy consultant to put the
> universe in a glass jar and preserve it.  from end user, to net
> operations, to infrastructure, to administration, to law.

There is one thing in here which has great amusement appeal to me:

g. ensure compliance with accepted International technical
   standards in the provision and development of electronic
   communications and transactions;

The protocol police!

It sounds like they're going to create an Industry Forum (GHANOG?),
which may produce a "voluntary industry code."

About like our housing code in the US.


That's going to be fun to watch.

-- 
David W. Hankins"If you don't do it right the first time,
Software Engineer   you'll just have to do it again."
Internet Systems Consortium, Inc.   -- Jack T. Hankins


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RE: insane over-regulation - what not to do

2006-06-21 Thread Bill Woodcock

  On Wed, 21 Jun 2006, Randy Whitney wrote:
> Could you be more specific? Are you talking about "Part VIII
> DOMAIN NAME REGISTAR" or something else?

Not presuming to answer for Randy, just for myself:

This follows one of the typical failure-modes of technical legislation, 
which is that it contains quite a few good ideas (cryptographic signatures 
should be deemed to fulfill the role of signatures, nonrepudiatable  
electronic delivery should be deemed to constitute delivery, etc.) which 
are re-worded in less-specific "more accessible" language by lawyers, 
chopped into very small bits, mixed and blended until uniformly 
unrecognizable, and allowed to ferment until twelve times larger.

These things typically create a bit of a baby-with-the-bathwater conundrum 
for people who think they know what _should_ be done, since many of the 
things that _should_ be done are in fact buried in the legalese, and 
starting over from scratch with the same seeds would, like as not, yield 
a very similar bloated bloated end-product, with another year or two 
wasted in the mean-time.  Which all comes down to the old maxim: you can't 
legislate stupidity out of existence.  Or, perhaps, legislation, by its 
very existence, brings some stupidity into existence.

Less is more.

-Bill



RE: insane over-regulation - what not to do

2006-06-21 Thread Randy Bush

> Could you be more specific? Are you talking about "Part VIII
> DOMAIN NAME REGISTAR" or something else?

the whole thing as a piece.  it looks to be a, likely well-meaning,
attempt by a gang of bureaucrats and a fancy consultant to put the
universe in a glass jar and preserve it.  from end user, to net
operations, to infrastructure, to administration, to law.

[ i do not do the GH domain.  folk in ghana do, but i let them run
  it on one of my servers. ]

randy


> 
> rsw.
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 
> > Behalf Of Randy Bush
> > Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 12:59 PM
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> > Subject: insane over-regulation - what not to do
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> > 
> > just so one can see how deep in a hole things can go if no
> > grownups are present, look at what ghana is about to do to
> > kill the goose that laid the golden egg
> > 
> >   http://rip.psg.com/~randy/ghana-insanity.pdf
> > 
> > randy
> > 
> > 
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Re: insane over-regulation - what not to do

2006-06-21 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Wed, 21 Jun 2006 12:21:34 CDT, Jerry Pasker said:

> I like Part XIII, Subsecton 115.   "Thing." myself.

Actually, that serves a very important purpose - it codifies the concept
that a string of ones and zeros can represent something with actual value.
If it wasn't there, a defendant could argue that they didn't steal/forge
a bank account withdrawal authorization, they just copied/created a stream
of bits.


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RE: insane over-regulation - what not to do

2006-06-21 Thread Jerry Pasker



Could you be more specific? Are you talking about "Part VIII
DOMAIN NAME REGISTAR" or something else?

rsw.



I like Part XIII, Subsecton 115.   "Thing." myself.

-Jerry


RE: insane over-regulation - what not to do

2006-06-21 Thread Randy Whitney

Could you be more specific? Are you talking about "Part VIII
DOMAIN NAME REGISTAR" or something else?

rsw.

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On 
> Behalf Of Randy Bush
> Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 12:59 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: insane over-regulation - what not to do
> 
> 
> just so one can see how deep in a hole things can go if no
> grownups are present, look at what ghana is about to do to
> kill the goose that laid the golden egg
> 
>   http://rip.psg.com/~randy/ghana-insanity.pdf
> 
> randy
> 
> 




insane over-regulation - what not to do

2006-06-21 Thread Randy Bush

just so one can see how deep in a hole things can go if no
grownups are present, look at what ghana is about to do to
kill the goose that laid the golden egg

  http://rip.psg.com/~randy/ghana-insanity.pdf

randy