Re: Shaping on a large scale
Check Ipoque solutions. http://www.ipoque.com/ regards, --- Nuno Vieira nfsi telecom, lda. nuno.vie...@nfsi.pt Tel. (+351) 21 949 2300 - Fax (+351) 21 949 2301 http://www.nfsi.pt/ - Bruce Grobler br...@yoafrica.com wrote: Hi, Does anyone know of any Shaping appliances to shape customers based on IP, allow for a quota per IP and qos mechanisms like LLQ?, This is should be something that can sit in between two border router's and support a small ISP (2 customers), also an opensource solution would be great! Regards, Bruce
The Cidr Report
This report has been generated at Fri Jan 30 21:13:57 2009 AEST.
The report analyses the BGP Routing Table of AS2.0 router
and generates a report on aggregation potential within the table.
Check http://www.cidr-report.org for a current version of this report.
Recent Table History
Date PrefixesCIDR Agg
23-01-09286053 177941
24-01-09286089 178446
25-01-09286547 178462
26-01-09286835 178564
27-01-09287083 178066
28-01-09286198 178147
29-01-09286289 177870
30-01-09286408 178004
AS Summary
30507 Number of ASes in routing system
12982 Number of ASes announcing only one prefix
4379 Largest number of prefixes announced by an AS
AS6389 : BELLSOUTH-NET-BLK - BellSouth.net Inc.
89881344 Largest address span announced by an AS (/32s)
AS27064: DDN-ASNBLK1 - DoD Network Information Center
Aggregation Summary
The algorithm used in this report proposes aggregation only
when there is a precise match using the AS path, so as
to preserve traffic transit policies. Aggregation is also
proposed across non-advertised address space ('holes').
--- 30Jan09 ---
ASnumNetsNow NetsAggr NetGain % Gain Description
Table 286397 178149 10824837.8% All ASes
AS6389 4379 356 402391.9% BELLSOUTH-NET-BLK -
BellSouth.net Inc.
AS4323 4216 1741 247558.7% TWTC - tw telecom holdings,
inc.
AS209 2828 1264 156455.3% ASN-QWEST - Qwest
Communications Corporation
AS4766 1771 499 127271.8% KIXS-AS-KR Korea Telecom
AS17488 1507 345 116277.1% HATHWAY-NET-AP Hathway IP Over
Cable Internet
AS4755 1200 231 96980.8% TATACOMM-AS TATA
Communications formerly VSNL
is Leading ISP
AS22773 1007 62 94593.8% ASN-CXA-ALL-CCI-22773-RDC -
Cox Communications Inc.
AS8151 1476 615 86158.3% Uninet S.A. de C.V.
AS1785 1803 1036 76742.5% AS-PAETEC-NET - PaeTec
Communications, Inc.
AS11492 1218 458 76062.4% CABLEONE - CABLE ONE, INC.
AS8452 1021 283 73872.3% TEDATA TEDATA
AS19262 944 243 70174.3% VZGNI-TRANSIT - Verizon
Internet Services Inc.
AS2386 1566 899 66742.6% INS-AS - ATT Data
Communications Services
AS3356 1143 489 65457.2% LEVEL3 Level 3 Communications
AS18101 766 143 62381.3% RIL-IDC Reliance Infocom Ltd
Internet Data Centre,
AS18566 1061 466 59556.1% COVAD - Covad Communications
Co.
AS6478 1204 660 54445.2% ATT-INTERNET3 - ATT WorldNet
Services
AS7545 690 158 53277.1% TPG-INTERNET-AP TPG Internet
Pty Ltd
AS2706 545 25 52095.4% HKSUPER-HK-AP Pacific Internet
(Hong Kong) Limited
AS22047 623 114 50981.7% VTR BANDA ANCHA S.A.
AS17908 602 111 49181.6% TCISL Tata Communications
AS855602 146 45675.7% CANET-ASN-4 - Bell Aliant
AS4808 612 158 45474.2% CHINA169-BJ CNCGROUP IP
network China169 Beijing
Province Network
AS7018 1438 1003 43530.3% ATT-INTERNET4 - ATT WorldNet
Services
AS4134 902 475 42747.3% CHINANET-BACKBONE
No.31,Jin-rong Street
AS24560 661 239 42263.8% AIRTELBROADBAND-AS-AP Bharti
Airtel Ltd., Telemedia
Services
AS4668 699 283 41659.5% LGNET-AS-KR LG CNS
AS9443 504 92 41281.7% INTERNETPRIMUS-AS-AP Primus
Telecommunications
AS17676 527 115 41278.2% GIGAINFRA BB TECHNOLOGY Corp.
AS7011 958 550 40842.6% FRONTIER-AND-CITIZENS -
RE: Shaping on a large scale
Check out Packeteer. I used to work somewhere about that size and this was the product we used: http://www.bluecoat.com/products/packetshaper/ Open source you can do a custom setup with IPTables and iproute2, but it will take some work to get the same kind of features and management interface. LARTC is a good reference for this kind of topic: http://lartc.org/. Also I'm not sure if someone has built this into any of the firewall specific linux distros yet, so you may want to explore those a little. Good luck, -Scott -Original Message- From: Bruce Grobler [mailto:br...@yoafrica.com] Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 12:34 AM To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Shaping on a large scale Hi, Does anyone know of any Shaping appliances to shape customers based on IP, allow for a quota per IP and qos mechanisms like LLQ?, This is should be something that can sit in between two border router's and support a small ISP (2 customers), also an opensource solution would be great! Regards, Bruce
RE: Shaping on a large scale
Open source you can do a custom setup with IPTables and iproute2, but it will take some work to get the same kind of features and management interface. LARTC is a good reference for this kind of topic: http://lartc.org/. Also I'm not sure if someone has built this into any of the firewall specific linux distros yet, so you may want to explore those a little. The scripts below will set max bandwidth on an interface to 60mbit, and setup a queue to shape a.b.c.d to 3Mbit. Seems to work ok for me. Its used on a physical server to limit bandwidth to a virtual server(s) on the physical server. Should work just as well on a dual-armed router/firewall shaping devices behind it. You would just create more classes (1:11, 1:12, etc) for more clients/ips to shape and you might want to knock the ceiling on the default (1:30) class down to guarantee the bandwidth to the 1:10, 1:11...classes. tc qdisc add dev eth0 root handle 1: htb default 30 tc class add dev eth0 parent 1: classid 1:1 htb rate 60mbit burst 150k tc class add dev eth0 parent 1:1 classid 1:10 htb rate 3mbit burst 15k tc class add dev eth0 parent 1:1 classid 1:30 htb rate 1kbit ceil 60mbit burst 150k tc qdisc add dev eth0 parent 1:10 handle 10: sfq perturb 10 tc qdisc add dev eth0 parent 1:30 handle 30: sfq perturb 10 ## limit a.b.c.d to 3mbit/sec: U32=tc filter add dev eth0 protocol ip parent 1:0 prio 1 u32 $U32 match ip src a.b.c.d/32 flowid 1:10 $U32 match ip dst a.b.c.d/32 flowid 1:10 tc -s -d qdisc show dev eth0 -Original Message- From: Bruce Grobler [mailto:br...@yoafrica.com] Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 12:34 AM To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Shaping on a large scale Hi, Does anyone know of any Shaping appliances to shape customers based on IP, allow for a quota per IP and qos mechanisms like LLQ?, This is should be something that can sit in between two border router's and support a small ISP (2 customers), also an opensource solution would be great!
Re: Shaping on a large scale
On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 10:25:49AM -0500, Scott Berkman wrote: http://lartc.org/. Also I'm not sure if someone has built this into any of the firewall specific linux distros yet, so you may want to explore those a little. They have. Many Linux appliances come with a 'Linux Wonder Shaper' http://lartc.org/wondershaper/ or an equivalent. In general, the Linux packet shaping infrastructure is overly powerful, if very weakly documented - despite the LARTC efforts. I do have to add that shaping is rarely an exact science, and that achieving very high accuracies may prove impossible on general (timer interrupt based) hardware operating systems. Stochastic results will be good however. Bert -- http://www.PowerDNS.com Open source, database driven DNS Software http://netherlabs.nl Open and Closed source services
can I ask mtu question
Hi What is max mtu in jumbo frame? ls it 9000? Do I need to reboot the switch to take effect after setting up it? if it doesn't need to reboot, How can I know the switch is running fine in this mtu 9000? eg: cisco any tools to check? Thank you for your help Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
RE: can I ask mtu question
Depends on the hardware - GSR's have different MTU's than 7600's for example (and dependant on linecard too). We use 9216 between 7206VXR and 7606 for example. No, the change is immediate - show interface will tell you among other commands... Paul -Original Message- From: adrian kok [mailto:adriankok2...@yahoo.com.hk] Sent: January 30, 2009 12:57 PM To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: can I ask mtu question Hi What is max mtu in jumbo frame? ls it 9000? Do I need to reboot the switch to take effect after setting up it? if it doesn't need to reboot, How can I know the switch is running fine in this mtu 9000? eg: cisco any tools to check? Thank you for your help Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and contains confidential and/or privileged material. If you received this in error, please contact the sender immediately and then destroy this transmission, including all attachments, without copying, distributing or disclosing same. Thank you.
RE: can I ask mtu question
http://www.google.com/search?source=ighl=enrlz==q=What+is+max+mtu+in +jumbo+frame%3F+btnG=Google+Searchaq=f -Original Message- From: adrian kok [mailto:adriankok2...@yahoo.com.hk] Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 12:57 PM To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: can I ask mtu question Hi What is max mtu in jumbo frame? ls it 9000? Do I need to reboot the switch to take effect after setting up it? if it doesn't need to reboot, How can I know the switch is running fine in this mtu 9000? eg: cisco any tools to check? Thank you for your help Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
Weekly Routing Table Report
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-48VDC summary of responses
Lots of folks provided very good suggestions and information. Here is a brief attempt at a summary. I only got a few sales folks hitting me up, so you are probably on your own to get in touch with most of these guys. Top recommendation: * Eltek/Valere seemed to be the top recommendation (3:1 or 4:1), though customer svc is rumored to have gone downhill since the acquisition). Large Plants: (1000A and more) ** CC Sageon (sageon: stand alone, not rack mount, CC scales in 100A increments) Small plants: Argus (re: Cordex unit- management UI only works in IE, emails just fine, good chassis based expandability) [2:1 recommendation here] Tyco in the lower range Telect for unmanaged supplies/PDUs Lorain/Realtec makes nice equipment. Thanks to everyone for their input, I don't have much more detail from most of the responses so if you want a contact who is using this gear, I can try to make the introduction. Deepak Jain AiNET
Re: can I ask mtu question
KanREN runs Foundry (Brocade) NetIron XMR 4000's as our primary core infrastructure with an MTU of 9216. To make the change (this is Foundry-specific), we have to change some system-max settings which only take effect once the device has been rebooted (or at least it DID require a reboot in the IronWare 3.3.x days). It does NOT reboot immediately so you're free to make the change then perform a reboot at a convenient time. -- Brad Fleming Network Engineer Kansas Research and Education Network Office:785-856-9800 x.222 Moblie: 785-865-7231 NOC: 866-984-3662 On Jan 30, 2009, at 11:57 AM, adrian kok wrote: Hi What is max mtu in jumbo frame? ls it 9000? Do I need to reboot the switch to take effect after setting up it? if it doesn't need to reboot, How can I know the switch is running fine in this mtu 9000? eg: cisco any tools to check? Thank you for your help Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
RE: Shaping on a large scale
On Fri, 30 Jan 2009, C. Jon Larsen wrote: Open source you can do a custom setup with IPTables and iproute2, but it will take some work to get the same kind of features and management interface. LARTC is a good reference for this kind of topic: http://lartc.org/. Also I'm not sure if someone has built this into any of the firewall specific linux distros yet, so you may want to explore those a little. The scripts below will set max bandwidth on an interface to 60mbit, and setup a queue to shape a.b.c.d to 3Mbit. Seems to work ok for me. Its used on a physical server to limit bandwidth to a virtual server(s) on the physical server. Should work just as well on a dual-armed router/firewall shaping devices behind it. You would just create more classes (1:11, 1:12, etc) for more clients/ips to shape and you might want to knock the ceiling on the default (1:30) class down to guarantee the bandwidth to the 1:10, 1:11...classes. tc qdisc add dev eth0 root handle 1: htb default 30 tc class add dev eth0 parent 1: classid 1:1 htb rate 60mbit burst 150k tc class add dev eth0 parent 1:1 classid 1:10 htb rate 3mbit burst 15k tc class add dev eth0 parent 1:1 classid 1:30 htb rate 1kbit ceil 60mbit burst 150k tc qdisc add dev eth0 parent 1:10 handle 10: sfq perturb 10 tc qdisc add dev eth0 parent 1:30 handle 30: sfq perturb 10 ## limit a.b.c.d to 3mbit/sec: U32=tc filter add dev eth0 protocol ip parent 1:0 prio 1 u32 $U32 match ip src a.b.c.d/32 flowid 1:10 $U32 match ip dst a.b.c.d/32 flowid 1:10 tc -s -d qdisc show dev eth0 tcng - Traffic Control Next Generation (http://tcng.sourceforge.net/) provides a configuration language that abstracts the gnarliness above. Chris
Re: can I ask mtu question
On Fri, 30 Jan 2009 12:57:25 -0500, adrian kok adriankok2...@yahoo.com.hk wrote: What is max mtu in jumbo frame? That depends on the hardware. I've seen gear running as low as ~8k. I'd have to consult standard, but I think the max is 10k (10240). Keep in mind the switch is not the only device on the network with jumbo frame limits. The NICs in your servers will also have limits. Do I need to reboot the switch to take effect after setting up it? Again, this depends on the system. Many accept the change immediately, while others have to rebooted or interfaces reset to effect the change. if it doesn't need to reboot, How can I know the switch is running fine in this mtu 9000? eg: cisco any tools to check? ping will do. Set the packet size larger than the normal MTU (1500) and see if it crosses the network intact. If it's not working, A) the packets will be dropped, and B) the oversized frame counter (among others) should be clocking errors. --Ricky
Re: can I ask mtu question
On Fri, 30 Jan 2009, Ricky Beam wrote: On Fri, 30 Jan 2009 12:57:25 -0500, adrian kok adriankok2...@yahoo.com.hk wrote: What is max mtu in jumbo frame? That depends on the hardware. I've seen gear running as low as ~8k. I'd have to consult standard, but I think the max is 10k (10240). Keep in mind the switch is not the only device on the network with jumbo frame limits. The NICs in your servers will also have limits. Do I need to reboot the switch to take effect after setting up it? Again, this depends on the system. Many accept the change immediately, while others have to rebooted or interfaces reset to effect the change. if it doesn't need to reboot, How can I know the switch is running fine in this mtu 9000? eg: cisco any tools to check? ping will do. Set the packet size larger than the normal MTU (1500) and see if it crosses the network intact. If it's not working, A) the packets will be dropped, and B) the oversized frame counter (among others) should be clocking errors. If you're sourcing the pings from a device that supports it, you can also send the large pings with the Do Not Fragment bit set. jms
Re: can I ask mtu question
That depends on the hardware. I've seen gear running as low as ~8k. I'd have to consult standard, but I think the max is 10k (10240). There *is* no standard for jumbo MTU. IEEE has steadfastly refused to standardize anything bigger than 1500 bytes. Steinar Haug, Nethelp consulting, sth...@nethelp.no
Re: can I ask mtu question
On (2009-01-30 16:33 -0500), Ricky Beam wrote: That depends on the hardware. I've seen gear running as low as ~8k. I'd have to consult standard, but I think the max is 10k (10240). Which standard are you referring to? AFAIK, nothing above 1500 is standardised -- ++ytti
RE: Shaping on a large scale
Hi, Thanks for all the comments!, do you know of any web frontends for these apps? (don't want to go reinventing the wheel) Something that preferably uses a mysql backend. Regards, Bruce Grobler Yo! Africa - Network Engineer Cell : 0912364532 Skype: bruce.grobler -Original Message- From: Chris Caputo [mailto:ccap...@alt.net] Sent: Friday, January 30, 2009 9:54 PM To: C. Jon Larsen Cc: Scott Berkman; nanog@nanog.org Subject: RE: Shaping on a large scale On Fri, 30 Jan 2009, C. Jon Larsen wrote: Open source you can do a custom setup with IPTables and iproute2, but it will take some work to get the same kind of features and management interface. LARTC is a good reference for this kind of topic: http://lartc.org/. Also I'm not sure if someone has built this into any of the firewall specific linux distros yet, so you may want to explore those a little. The scripts below will set max bandwidth on an interface to 60mbit, and setup a queue to shape a.b.c.d to 3Mbit. Seems to work ok for me. Its used on a physical server to limit bandwidth to a virtual server(s) on the physical server. Should work just as well on a dual-armed router/firewall shaping devices behind it. You would just create more classes (1:11, 1:12, etc) for more clients/ips to shape and you might want to knock the ceiling on the default (1:30) class down to guarantee the bandwidth to the 1:10, 1:11...classes. tc qdisc add dev eth0 root handle 1: htb default 30 tc class add dev eth0 parent 1: classid 1:1 htb rate 60mbit burst 150k tc class add dev eth0 parent 1:1 classid 1:10 htb rate 3mbit burst 15k tc class add dev eth0 parent 1:1 classid 1:30 htb rate 1kbit ceil 60mbit burst 150k tc qdisc add dev eth0 parent 1:10 handle 10: sfq perturb 10 tc qdisc add dev eth0 parent 1:30 handle 30: sfq perturb 10 ## limit a.b.c.d to 3mbit/sec: U32=tc filter add dev eth0 protocol ip parent 1:0 prio 1 u32 $U32 match ip src a.b.c.d/32 flowid 1:10 $U32 match ip dst a.b.c.d/32 flowid 1:10 tc -s -d qdisc show dev eth0 tcng - Traffic Control Next Generation (http://tcng.sourceforge.net/) provides a configuration language that abstracts the gnarliness above. Chris
Towerstream outage/intermittency?
anyone using towerstream in the la area and experiencing an outage?
Re: Tracking the DNS amplification attacks (was: isprime DOS in progress)
On 1/24/2009 at 4:50 PM, Brian Keefer ch...@smtps.net wrote: Caveat: my PERL is _terrible_. http://www.smtps.net/pub/dns-amp-watch.pl This assumes you're using BIND. My logs roll on the hour, so I run it from cron at 1 minute before the hour. Depending on how long it takes to process your logs, you might need to tweak. FWIW, I find it easier to track this using tcpdump. I don't like running BIND with query logging. Here's a filter that catches these, port 53 (udp[10:4] == 0x0101) (udp[20:2] == 0x) How it works is left as an exercise for the reader. When I sniff the link to a server authorative for several domains, 17:29:55.792127 IP 72.249.127.168.3966 206.220.220.100.53: 18501+ NS? . (17) 17:29:57.116367 IP 69.64.87.156.58419 206.220.220.100.53: 62419+ NS? . (17) 17:29:57.804987 IP 72.249.127.168.33108 206.220.220.100.53: 4637+ NS? . (17) 17:29:58.959680 IP 72.20.3.82.23084 206.220.220.100.53: 14310+ NS? . (17) 17:29:59.818994 IP 72.249.127.168.60876 206.220.220.100.53: 22791+ NS? . (17) 17:30:01.622728 IP 69.64.87.156.30151 206.220.220.100.53: 13557+ NS? . (17) 17:30:01.628899 IP 72.20.3.82.49015 206.220.220.100.53: 14250+ NS? . (17) 17:30:01.821214 IP 72.249.127.168.13831 206.220.220.100.53: 51065+ NS? . (17) 17:30:03.342856 IP 69.64.87.156.1926 206.220.220.100.53: 38768+ NS? . (17) 17:30:03.818706 IP 72.249.127.168.33663 206.220.220.100.53: 12720+ NS? . (17) 17:30:05.186647 IP 72.20.3.82.7649 206.220.220.100.53: 52079+ NS? . (17) 17:30:05.815718 IP 72.249.127.168.37241 206.220.220.100.53: 345+ NS? . (17) 17:30:07.816144 IP 72.249.127.168.23784 206.220.220.100.53: 56874+ NS? . (17) 17:30:07.849503 IP 69.64.87.156.33190 206.220.220.100.53: 20113+ NS? . (17)
Re: Shaping on a large scale
Bruce, Are these broadband customer using PPPoE or L2TP? If so, I suggest looking at the capabilities of your BRAS to do the work. Per user bandwidth quotas are the nature of the game here in Australia and doing it at the BRAS is the way we do it. RADIUS gives you byte counts and gives you the ability to pass back rate limits etc. MMC On 30/01/2009, at 4:03 PM, Bruce Grobler wrote: Hi, Does anyone know of any Shaping appliances to shape customers based on IP, allow for a quota per IP and qos mechanisms like LLQ?, This is should be something that can sit in between two border router's and support a small ISP (2 customers), also an opensource solution would be great! Regards, Bruce -- Matthew Moyle-Croft Internode/Agile Peering and Core Networks Level 5, 162 Grenfell Street, Adelaide, SA 5000 Australia Email: m...@internode.com.auWeb: http://www.on.net Direct: +61-8-8228-2909 Mobile: +61-419-900-366 Reception: +61-8-8228-2999Fax: +61-8-8235-6909
Re: can I ask mtu question
On Fri, 30 Jan 2009 16:51:00 -0500, Justin M. Streiner strei...@cluebyfour.org wrote: If you're sourcing the pings from a device that supports it, you can also send the large pings with the Do Not Fragment bit set. Most modern systems do that already (part of path MTU discovery.) And if there are no routers in the path (only the switch in question), then there's nothing to fragment it anyway. --Ricky
Re: Shaping on a large scale
On Sat, Jan 31, 2009, Matthew Moyle-Croft wrote: Bruce, Are these broadband customer using PPPoE or L2TP? If so, I suggest looking at the capabilities of your BRAS to do the work. Per user bandwidth quotas are the nature of the game here in Australia and doing it at the BRAS is the way we do it. RADIUS gives you byte counts and gives you the ability to pass back rate limits etc. What you didn't tell him is that the kind of shaping you can do on the BRAS heavily depends on features used and platform. :) 64k policing mostly works everywhere, for example, but isn't all that crash hot for your clients. :) Doing more complicated hierarchical QoS on software platforms is doable but complicated. Others take a multi-tiered approach - they'll buy some kit to do P2P identification/shaping, and per-user hard shaping in case they go over quota. Lots of cute stuff. :) Adrian MMC On 30/01/2009, at 4:03 PM, Bruce Grobler wrote: Hi, Does anyone know of any Shaping appliances to shape customers based on IP, allow for a quota per IP and qos mechanisms like LLQ?, This is should be something that can sit in between two border router's and support a small ISP (2 customers), also an opensource solution would be great! Regards, Bruce -- Matthew Moyle-Croft Internode/Agile Peering and Core Networks Level 5, 162 Grenfell Street, Adelaide, SA 5000 Australia Email: m...@internode.com.auWeb: http://www.on.net Direct: +61-8-8228-2909Mobile: +61-419-900-366 Reception: +61-8-8228-2999Fax: +61-8-8235-6909 -- - Xenion - http://www.xenion.com.au/ - VPS Hosting - Commercial Squid Support - - $25/pm entry-level VPSes w/ capped bandwidth charges available in WA -
Re: ISP Unbundling circuits
Wayne E. Bouchard wrote: I've never been happy with 'deinstall' fees of any sort. To me, this is just a cost of doing business. The time necessary to remove such is just accepted. It is assumed that the terms of the contract are long enough that such costs become insignificant and should not be something that gets passed along. Besides, if you turn right around and reuse this for someone else, you haven't done a deinstall and are therefore charging the customer for work that you did not actually perform. There are several different ways to argue both for and against such fees but they always rub me the wrong way whenever I see them. Perversely these fees have gotten as far as residential broadband subscribers in the UK. BT Wholesale now charge a line disconnection fee, which is being applied retrospectively to all contracts. On the flip side, the new WEEE (Waste Electrical and Electronic Equipment) regulations make disposal of electronic equipment the responsibility of the manufacturer.
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