RE: OT: Voice Operators' Group forming

2009-07-31 Thread Scott Berkman
We're almost there, expect a list posting here in the next couple of days
with the details.

-Scott

-Original Message-
From: Carlos Alcantar [mailto:car...@race.com] 
Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2009 10:57 PM
To: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: RE: OT: Voice Operators' Group forming

How's the startup of the list looking?

-Original Message-
From: Chris Meidinger [mailto:cmeidin...@sendmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2009 2:42 PM
To: Jason LeBlanc
Cc: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Re: OT: Voice Operators' Group forming

On 29.07.2009, at 22:52, Jason LeBlanc wrote:

 Brandon Butterworth wrote:
 NAVOG  works for me.


 I'd prefer Voice Operators' Group Online Network

 brandon


 *claps*

Imagine the poetry you have to listen to when _those_ guys put you on  
hold...







Happy Sysadmin Day

2009-07-31 Thread Andrew Euell
Happy Sysadmin Day nanog'ers. Thank you for keeping the internet running!
http://www.sysadminday.com/

-- 
Andrew Euell
andyzweb [at] gmail [dot] com


Re: Happy Sysadmin Day

2009-07-31 Thread J. Oquendo
Andrew Euell wrote:
 Happy Sysadmin Day nanog'ers. Thank you for keeping the internet running!
 http://www.sysadminday.com/

   
Keeping the Internet running? You mean as in the flakiness of what is
happening with portions of Level3 right at this moment?


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Re: Happy Sysadmin Day

2009-07-31 Thread Andrew Euell
at least their performance is reflected in their stock price
http://www.google.com/finance?client=obq=NASDAQ:LVLT

On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 11:35 AM, J. Oquendo s...@infiltrated.net wrote:

 Andrew Euell wrote:
  Happy Sysadmin Day nanog'ers. Thank you for keeping the internet running!
  http://www.sysadminday.com/
 
 
 Keeping the Internet running? You mean as in the flakiness of what is
 happening with portions of Level3 right at this moment?


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 J. Oquendo
 SGFA, SGFE, C|EH, CNDA, CHFI, OSCP

 It takes 20 years to build a reputation and five minutes to
 ruin it. If you think about that, you'll do things
 differently. - Warren Buffett

 227C 5D35 7DCB 0893 95AA  4771 1DCE 1FD1 5CCD 6B5E
 http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=getsearch=0x5CCD6B5E




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Re: Happy Sysadmin Day

2009-07-31 Thread Andy Ringsmuth


On Jul 31, 2009, at 10:35 AM, J. Oquendo wrote:


Andrew Euell wrote:
Happy Sysadmin Day nanog'ers. Thank you for keeping the internet  
running!

http://www.sysadminday.com/



Keeping the Internet running? You mean as in the flakiness of what is
happening with portions of Level3 right at this moment?


Yeah, anyone know what's going on with Level3?  Whatever the heck it  
is, it's causing lots of weirdness for me.



-Andy



Re: Happy Sysadmin Day

2009-07-31 Thread Patrick W. Gilmore

On Jul 31, 2009, at 11:53 AM, Andy Ringsmuth wrote:

On Jul 31, 2009, at 10:35 AM, J. Oquendo wrote:
Andrew Euell wrote:
Happy Sysadmin Day nanog'ers. Thank you for keeping the internet  
running!

http://www.sysadminday.com/



Keeping the Internet running? You mean as in the flakiness of what is
happening with portions of Level3 right at this moment?


Yeah, anyone know what's going on with Level3?  Whatever the heck it  
is, it's causing lots of weirdness for me.


I'm not on the MLC, but this strikes me as silly.

First, isn't outages@ that - a - way - ??

Also, do people honestly think asking why is L3 having issues in an  
e-mail Subject: Re: Happy Sysadmin Day a good idea?


Perhaps you all need to realize that Ettore was an idiot - making good  
brakes is _hard_... er, sorry. :)


--
TTFN,
patrick




Re: Happy Sysadmin Day

2009-07-31 Thread AMuse


Patrick:  If you're surprised that someone is conflating 'Happy sysadmin 
day! with Hey by the way can you help me figure this out? then you 
haven't been a sysadmin long enough!   ;)


(yes, I know, you weren't surprised, just taking a lighthearted shot at 
the guy)


Patrick W. Gilmore wrote:


I'm not on the MLC, but this strikes me as silly.

First, isn't outages@ that - a - way - ??

Also, do people honestly think asking why is L3 having issues in an 
e-mail Subject: Re: Happy Sysadmin Day a good idea?


Perhaps you all need to realize that Ettore was an idiot - making good 
brakes is _hard_... er, sorry. :)






Weekly Routing Table Report

2009-07-31 Thread Routing Analysis Role Account
This is an automated weekly mailing describing the state of the Internet
Routing Table as seen from APNIC's router in Japan.
Daily listings are sent to bgp-st...@lists.apnic.net

For historical data, please see http://thyme.apnic.net.

If you have any comments please contact Philip Smith p...@cisco.com.

Routing Table Report   04:00 +10GMT Sat 01 Aug, 2009

Report Website: http://thyme.apnic.net
Detailed Analysis:  http://thyme.apnic.net/current/

Analysis Summary


BGP routing table entries examined:  292961
Prefixes after maximum aggregation:  138493
Deaggregation factor:  2.12
Unique aggregates announced to Internet: 145391
Total ASes present in the Internet Routing Table: 31852
Prefixes per ASN:  9.20
Origin-only ASes present in the Internet Routing Table:   27681
Origin ASes announcing only one prefix:   13518
Transit ASes present in the Internet Routing Table:4171
Transit-only ASes present in the Internet Routing Table:105
Average AS path length visible in the Internet Routing Table:   3.6
Max AS path length visible:  24
Max AS path prepend of ASN (12026)   22
Prefixes from unregistered ASNs in the Routing Table:   456
Unregistered ASNs in the Routing Table: 130
Number of 32-bit ASNs allocated by the RIRs:220
Prefixes from 32-bit ASNs in the Routing Table:  81
Special use prefixes present in the Routing Table:0
Prefixes being announced from unallocated address space:340
Number of addresses announced to Internet:   2082757696
Equivalent to 124 /8s, 36 /16s and 92 /24s
Percentage of available address space announced:   56.2
Percentage of allocated address space announced:   65.0
Percentage of available address space allocated:   86.4
Percentage of address space in use by end-sites:   78.5
Total number of prefixes smaller than registry allocations:  140414

APNIC Region Analysis Summary
-

Prefixes being announced by APNIC Region ASes:70058
Total APNIC prefixes after maximum aggregation:   24829
APNIC Deaggregation factor:2.82
Prefixes being announced from the APNIC address blocks:   69476
Unique aggregates announced from the APNIC address blocks:31605
APNIC Region origin ASes present in the Internet Routing Table:3717
APNIC Prefixes per ASN:   18.69
APNIC Region origin ASes announcing only one prefix:   1012
APNIC Region transit ASes present in the Internet Routing Table:579
Average APNIC Region AS path length visible:3.5
Max APNIC Region AS path length visible: 16
Number of APNIC addresses announced to Internet:  475903680
Equivalent to 28 /8s, 93 /16s and 182 /24s
Percentage of available APNIC address space announced: 88.6

APNIC AS Blocks4608-4864, 7467-7722, 9216-10239, 17408-18431
(pre-ERX allocations)  23552-24575, 37888-38911, 45056-46079
APNIC Address Blocks58/8,  59/8,  60/8,  61/8, 110/8, 111/8, 112/8,
   113/8, 114/8, 115/8, 116/8, 117/8, 118/8, 119/8,
   120/8, 121/8, 122/8, 123/8, 124/8, 125/8, 126/8,
   180/8, 183/8, 202/8, 203/8, 210/8, 211/8, 218/8,
   219/8, 220/8, 221/8, 222/8,

ARIN Region Analysis Summary


Prefixes being announced by ARIN Region ASes:124431
Total ARIN prefixes after maximum aggregation:66173
ARIN Deaggregation factor: 1.88
Prefixes being announced from the ARIN address blocks:   125090
Unique aggregates announced from the ARIN address blocks: 52293
ARIN Region origin ASes present in the Internet Routing Table:13139
ARIN Prefixes per ASN: 9.52
ARIN Region origin ASes announcing only one prefix:5077
ARIN Region transit ASes present in the Internet Routing Table:1287
Average ARIN Region AS path length visible: 3.3
Max ARIN Region AS path length visible:  24
Number of ARIN addresses announced to Internet:  1012769216
Equivalent to 60 /8s, 93 /16s and 161 /24s
Percentage of available ARIN address space announced:  88.8

ARIN AS Blocks 1-1876, 1902-2042, 2044-2046, 2048-2106
(pre-ERX allocations)  2138-2584, 

Voice Operators' Group: voiceops.org

2009-07-31 Thread Hiers, David
Hi Everyone,
I'm pleased to announce that the Voice Operators' Group has found an excellent 
home.

Our web site, www.voiceops.org has a good home (thanks Scott!), while Jared, 
Daniel, and all the great folks over at nether.net are hosting our list server.

If VoiceOps can do for voice anything close to what NANOG has done for IP, 
we'll all owe much to the people that are making this happen.



email: voiceops-subscr...@voiceops.org
web:   https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops 





Thanks,



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Data Center QoS equipment breaking http 1.1?

2009-07-31 Thread up


Sorry if this is a little OT, but we're seeing a serious problem and was 
wondering if it is what I think it is.


In short: I have been moving services off of our servers in a data center 
onto a server at eSecuredata, who rents dedicated servers.  The idea is to 
lower costs and eliminate having to deal with hardware.


The advertise unmetered bandwidth, but mention QoS measure to control 
bandwidth hogs.


One of my customers, whose site I just moved from a unique IP virtual host 
on my old server onto an Apache NameVirtualHost on the new one, worked 
fine at first.  Then today, they started complaining about getting one of 
our home pages.  I figured DNS or web caching issues, until I started 
seeing it for myself.  It was no caching issue, it was NameVirtualHost 
breaking.


I poured over my configs (I've done this config countless times), and saw 
this in the apache docs:


http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/vhosts/name-based.html

 Some operating systems and network equipment implement bandwidth 
management techniques that cannot differentiate between hosts unless they 
are on separate IP addresses.


So, I installed lynx on the server, and sure enough, it worked perfectly 
fine there, just not from anywhere outside eSecuredata's network that I 
could see.


Can anyone shed any light on this particular practice, of this company in 
particular?


thanks

James Smallacombe PlantageNet, Inc. CEO and Janitor
u...@3.am   http://3.am
=



BGP Update Report

2009-07-31 Thread cidr-report
BGP Update Report
Interval: 23-Jul-09 -to- 30-Jul-09 (7 days)
Observation Point: BGP Peering with AS131072

TOP 20 Unstable Origin AS
Rank ASNUpds %  Upds/PfxAS-Name
 1 - AS919896435  8.3% 291.3 -- KAZTELECOM-AS Kazakhtelecom 
Corporate Sales Administration
 2 - AS845224062  2.1%  31.4 -- TEDATA TEDATA
 3 - AS22783   18285  1.6%3047.5 -- WEBPOWER - WebPower, Inc.
 4 - AS47408   14767  1.3% 703.2 -- MANDARIN-AS Mandarin WIMAX 
Sicilia SpA
 5 - AS165912463  1.1% 132.6 -- ERX-TANET-ASN1 Tiawan Academic 
Network (TANet) Information Center
 6 - AS35805   10796  0.9%  32.8 -- UTG-AS United Telecom AS
 7 - AS214919693  0.8% 807.8 -- UTL-ON-LINE UTL On-line is RF 
broadband ISP in Uganda - Africa
 8 - AS154917947  0.7% 111.9 -- WANEX-AS Wanex ltd.
 9 - AS7011 7718  0.7%  35.1 -- FRONTIER-AND-CITIZENS - 
Frontier Communications of America, Inc.
10 - AS145717714  0.7%  68.9 -- Internet Group do Brasil
11 - AS440836712  0.6%  30.8 -- STROIBAT-AS SC Stroibat Prod SRL
12 - AS8151 6657  0.6%   6.1 -- Uninet S.A. de C.V.
13 - AS5668 6631  0.6%   8.1 -- AS-5668 - CenturyTel Internet 
Holdings, Inc.
14 - AS174886586  0.6%   5.3 -- HATHWAY-NET-AP Hathway IP Over 
Cable Internet
15 - AS337836570  0.6%  41.1 -- EEPAD
16 - AS8485 6530  0.6%1088.3 -- SAMSC-AS SamSC RAS
17 - AS11   6453  0.6% 430.2 -- HARVARD - Harvard University
18 - AS7738 5922  0.5%  15.8 -- Telecomunicacoes da Bahia S.A.
19 - AS5050 5918  0.5%1183.6 -- PSC-EXT - Pittsburgh 
Supercomputing Center
20 - AS124795845  0.5%  27.2 -- UNI2-AS Uni2 Autonomous System


TOP 20 Unstable Origin AS (Updates per announced prefix)
Rank ASNUpds %  Upds/PfxAS-Name
 1 - AS22783   18285  1.6%3047.5 -- WEBPOWER - WebPower, Inc.
 2 - AS476401401  0.1%1401.0 -- TRICOMPAS Tricomp Sp. z. o. o.
 3 - AS385483938  0.3%1312.7 -- INFRATEL-AS-ID-AP Network 
Access Point
 4 - AS5050 5918  0.5%1183.6 -- PSC-EXT - Pittsburgh 
Supercomputing Center
 5 - AS255463443  0.3%1147.7 -- BROOKLANDCOMP-AS Brookland 
Computer Services
 6 - AS400602274  0.2%1137.0 -- AAAWI - AAA Wireless, Inc.
 7 - AS8485 6530  0.6%1088.3 -- SAMSC-AS SamSC RAS
 8 - AS468474210  0.4% 842.0 -- ENGINEYARD-1 - Engine Yard, Inc.
 9 - AS214919693  0.8% 807.8 -- UTL-ON-LINE UTL On-line is RF 
broadband ISP in Uganda - Africa
10 - AS6671  798  0.1% 798.0 -- SAMARA-IP NETWORK FOR RESEARCH,
11 - AS354001476  0.1% 738.0 -- MFIST Interregoinal 
Organization Network Technologies
12 - AS4628 1445  0.1% 722.5 -- ASN-PACIFIC-INTERNET-IX Pacific 
Internet Ltd
13 - AS47408   14767  1.3% 703.2 -- MANDARIN-AS Mandarin WIMAX 
Sicilia SpA
14 - AS18829 657  0.1% 657.0 -- GALAXY-CONTROL-SYSTEMS - Galaxy 
Control Systems
15 - AS7270  468  0.0% 468.0 -- NET2PHONE - Net2Phone Corp.
16 - AS11032 460  0.0% 460.0 -- UQ - Universite du Quebec a 
Quebec
17 - AS11   6453  0.6% 430.2 -- HARVARD - Harvard University
18 - AS35103 364  0.0% 364.0 -- ILLUSTRA-AS AS Illustra
19 - AS29850 361  0.0% 361.0 -- MHN-AS - Memorial Healthcare
20 - AS43026 359  0.0% 359.0 -- IMPOL-AS Impol Sp. z o.o.


TOP 20 Unstable Prefixes
Rank Prefix Upds % Origin AS -- AS Name
 1 - 92.46.244.0/2310507  0.8%   AS9198  -- KAZTELECOM-AS Kazakhtelecom 
Corporate Sales Administration
 2 - 89.218.218.0/23   10486  0.8%   AS9198  -- KAZTELECOM-AS Kazakhtelecom 
Corporate Sales Administration
 3 - 89.218.220.0/23   10484  0.8%   AS9198  -- KAZTELECOM-AS Kazakhtelecom 
Corporate Sales Administration
 4 - 95.59.8.0/23  10473  0.8%   AS9198  -- KAZTELECOM-AS Kazakhtelecom 
Corporate Sales Administration
 5 - 95.59.4.0/22  10472  0.8%   AS9198  -- KAZTELECOM-AS Kazakhtelecom 
Corporate Sales Administration
 6 - 95.59.3.0/24  10471  0.8%   AS9198  -- KAZTELECOM-AS Kazakhtelecom 
Corporate Sales Administration
 7 - 95.59.2.0/23  10469  0.8%   AS9198  -- KAZTELECOM-AS Kazakhtelecom 
Corporate Sales Administration
 8 - 88.204.221.0/24   10336  0.8%   AS9198  -- KAZTELECOM-AS Kazakhtelecom 
Corporate Sales Administration
 9 - 95.59.1.0/24  10304  0.8%   AS9198  -- KAZTELECOM-AS Kazakhtelecom 
Corporate Sales Administration
10 - 41.233.94.0/23 8496  0.7%   AS8452  -- TEDATA TEDATA
11 - 41.233.92.0/23 8387  0.7%   AS8452  -- TEDATA TEDATA
12 - 63.163.66.0/24 6803  0.5%   AS22783 -- WEBPOWER - WebPower, Inc.
13 - 205.246.203.0/24   6801  0.5%   AS22783 -- WEBPOWER - WebPower, Inc.
14 - 

Re: Data Center QoS equipment breaking http 1.1?

2009-07-31 Thread up


Please disregard this idiocy of mine...it appears that the Apache 
UseCanonicalName directive selectively breaks some NameVirtualHosts, while 
leaving others unscathed, but turning it off fixed it anyway.


On Fri, 31 Jul 2009, u...@3.am wrote:



Sorry if this is a little OT, but we're seeing a serious problem and was 
wondering if it is what I think it is.


In short: I have been moving services off of our servers in a data center 
onto a server at eSecuredata, who rents dedicated servers.  The idea is to 
lower costs and eliminate having to deal with hardware.


The advertise unmetered bandwidth, but mention QoS measure to control 
bandwidth hogs.


One of my customers, whose site I just moved from a unique IP virtual host on 
my old server onto an Apache NameVirtualHost on the new one, worked fine at 
first.  Then today, they started complaining about getting one of our home 
pages.  I figured DNS or web caching issues, until I started seeing it for 
myself.  It was no caching issue, it was NameVirtualHost breaking.


I poured over my configs (I've done this config countless times), and saw 
this in the apache docs:


http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/vhosts/name-based.html

 Some operating systems and network equipment implement bandwidth management 
techniques that cannot differentiate between hosts unless they are on 
separate IP addresses.


So, I installed lynx on the server, and sure enough, it worked perfectly fine 
there, just not from anywhere outside eSecuredata's network that I could see.


Can anyone shed any light on this particular practice, of this company in 
particular?


thanks

James Smallacombe PlantageNet, Inc. CEO and Janitor
u...@3.am   http://3.am
=



James Smallacombe PlantageNet, Inc. CEO and Janitor
u...@3.am   http://3.am
=



Re: The Cidr Report

2009-07-31 Thread Patrick W. Gilmore

On Jul 31, 2009, at 6:00 PM, cidr-rep...@potaroo.net wrote:


Recent Table History
   Date  PrefixesCIDR Agg
   24-07-09298785  182835
   25-07-09299168  182751
   26-07-09298909  182973
   27-07-09299265  183099
   28-07-09299345  183207
   29-07-09299380  182987
   30-07-09299354  183395
   31-07-09299904  183680


Only 94 prefixes short!

Any bets on whether next tomorrow is THREE HUNDRED (thousand) day? 
Careful what you say, we actually dropped prefixes Wed - Thurs this  
week.


How many router will have blood spattered over them?

   http://www.gerardbutler.net/300/images/300-logo.png

:-)

--
TTFN,
patrick




Verizon transparent web caching issue? WASRe: Data Center QoS equipment breaking http 1.1?

2009-07-31 Thread up


Disregard my disregard.  The problem resurfaced with no changes on my 
part.  I purged browser caches and tried them from 3 browsers and each 
time:


http://www.countytheater.org

redirected to:  http://webmail.ns3.pil.net/ which is another NameVhost on 
that server sharing that IP.  This is incorrect.  However, I then switch 
from a Verizon connection to an ATT 3g connection on the IPhone and the 
problem goes away.


Has anyone heard of upstream transparent caching issues causing this kind 
of problem?  Does anyone else here get the redirect instead of the correct 
page?


TIA

On Fri, 31 Jul 2009, u...@3.am wrote:



Please disregard this idiocy of mine...it appears that the Apache 
UseCanonicalName directive selectively breaks some NameVirtualHosts, while 
leaving others unscathed, but turning it off fixed it anyway.


On Fri, 31 Jul 2009, u...@3.am wrote:



Sorry if this is a little OT, but we're seeing a serious problem and was 
wondering if it is what I think it is.


In short: I have been moving services off of our servers in a data center 
onto a server at eSecuredata, who rents dedicated servers.  The idea is to 
lower costs and eliminate having to deal with hardware.


The advertise unmetered bandwidth, but mention QoS measure to control 
bandwidth hogs.


One of my customers, whose site I just moved from a unique IP virtual host 
on my old server onto an Apache NameVirtualHost on the new one, worked fine 
at first.  Then today, they started complaining about getting one of our 
home pages.  I figured DNS or web caching issues, until I started seeing it 
for myself.  It was no caching issue, it was NameVirtualHost breaking.


I poured over my configs (I've done this config countless times), and saw 
this in the apache docs:


http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/vhosts/name-based.html

 Some operating systems and network equipment implement bandwidth 
management techniques that cannot differentiate between hosts unless they 
are on separate IP addresses.


So, I installed lynx on the server, and sure enough, it worked perfectly 
fine there, just not from anywhere outside eSecuredata's network that I 
could see.


Can anyone shed any light on this particular practice, of this company in 
particular?


thanks

James Smallacombe PlantageNet, Inc. CEO and Janitor
u...@3.am 
http://3.am

=



James Smallacombe PlantageNet, Inc. CEO and Janitor
u...@3.am   http://3.am
=




James Smallacombe PlantageNet, Inc. CEO and Janitor
u...@3.am   http://3.am
=



Re: Verizon transparent web caching issue? WASRe: Data Center QoS equipment breaking http 1.1?

2009-07-31 Thread jay

Quoting u...@3.am:



Disregard my disregard.  The problem resurfaced with no changes on my
part.  I purged browser caches and tried them from 3 browsers and each
time:

http://www.countytheater.org

redirected to:  http://webmail.ns3.pil.net/ which is another NameVhost
on that server sharing that IP.  This is incorrect.  However, I then
switch from a Verizon connection to an ATT 3g connection on the IPhone
and the problem goes away.

Has anyone heard of upstream transparent caching issues causing this
kind of problem?  Does anyone else here get the redirect instead of the
correct page?

TIA


From .au the first 3 times I got pil.net. After that I got lots of  
302's and finally www.countytheater.org loaded, however the url  
showing in the browser is http://ns3.pil.net/~jsanders/. Looking at  
the packet cap it looks like your apache is doing strange things.


--jay




Re: Verizon transparent web caching issue? WASRe: Data Center QoS equipment breaking http 1.1?

2009-07-31 Thread up


Again, turned out to be my own stupidity.  It was just DNS on a secondary 
DNS server, which was pointing to the old IP, which was redirecting to the 
new IP, but at that point, the headers are lost.


I would have thought that on MacOSX (my client; the server is FreeBSD 
7.2-STABLE), if I tell the /etc/resolv.conf to look at the primary name 
server only, which has the correct info, plus doing a dnscacheutil 
-flushcache, that this wouldn't be an issue.


Apparently, I was wrong, or perhaps it doesn't override what Verizon does 
with my browser's queries, despite what nslookup shows in a terminal 
window.


On Fri, 31 Jul 2009, u...@3.am wrote:



Disregard my disregard.  The problem resurfaced with no changes on my part. 
I purged browser caches and tried them from 3 browsers and each time:


http://www.countytheater.org

redirected to:  http://webmail.ns3.pil.net/ which is another NameVhost on 
that server sharing that IP.  This is incorrect.  However, I then switch from 
a Verizon connection to an ATT 3g connection on the IPhone and the problem 
goes away.


Has anyone heard of upstream transparent caching issues causing this kind of 
problem?  Does anyone else here get the redirect instead of the correct page?


TIA

On Fri, 31 Jul 2009, u...@3.am wrote:



Please disregard this idiocy of mine...it appears that the Apache 
UseCanonicalName directive selectively breaks some NameVirtualHosts, while 
leaving others unscathed, but turning it off fixed it anyway.


On Fri, 31 Jul 2009, u...@3.am wrote:



Sorry if this is a little OT, but we're seeing a serious problem and was 
wondering if it is what I think it is.


In short: I have been moving services off of our servers in a data center 
onto a server at eSecuredata, who rents dedicated servers.  The idea is to 
lower costs and eliminate having to deal with hardware.


The advertise unmetered bandwidth, but mention QoS measure to control 
bandwidth hogs.


One of my customers, whose site I just moved from a unique IP virtual host 
on my old server onto an Apache NameVirtualHost on the new one, worked 
fine at first.  Then today, they started complaining about getting one of 
our home pages.  I figured DNS or web caching issues, until I started 
seeing it for myself.  It was no caching issue, it was NameVirtualHost 
breaking.


I poured over my configs (I've done this config countless times), and saw 
this in the apache docs:


http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/vhosts/name-based.html

 Some operating systems and network equipment implement bandwidth 
management techniques that cannot differentiate between hosts unless they 
are on separate IP addresses.


So, I installed lynx on the server, and sure enough, it worked perfectly 
fine there, just not from anywhere outside eSecuredata's network that I 
could see.


Can anyone shed any light on this particular practice, of this company in 
particular?


thanks

James Smallacombe PlantageNet, Inc. CEO and Janitor
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James Smallacombe PlantageNet, Inc. CEO and Janitor
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James Smallacombe PlantageNet, Inc. CEO and Janitor
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James Smallacombe PlantageNet, Inc. CEO and Janitor
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Re: Verizon transparent web caching issue? WASRe: Data Center QoS equipment breaking http 1.1?

2009-07-31 Thread Nathan Ward

On 1/08/2009, at 1:06 PM, u...@3.am wrote:



Again, turned out to be my own stupidity.  It was just DNS on a  
secondary DNS server, which was pointing to the old IP, which was  
redirecting to the new IP, but at that point, the headers are lost.


I would have thought that on MacOSX (my client; the server is  
FreeBSD 7.2-STABLE), if I tell the /etc/resolv.conf to look at the  
primary name server only, which has the correct info, plus doing a  
dnscacheutil -flushcache, that this wouldn't be an issue.


Apparently, I was wrong, or perhaps it doesn't override what Verizon  
does with my browser's queries, despite what nslookup shows in a  
terminal window.



As you are on OS X, have a read of 
http://developer.apple.com/documentation/Darwin/Reference/Manpages/man5/resolver.5.html

It lets you do per-domain resolvers, and so on.

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Nathan Ward