Re: Locations with no good Internet (was ISP in Johannesburg)

[Joel Jaeggli]

On 02/26/2010 03:10 PM, Paul Bosworth wrote:
> I think a lot of people often forget that ISPs are actually
> businesses trying to turn a profit.

Bearing in mind that the facilities that exist in much of the rural
united states are actually there  because we collectively payed for them
rather than simply:

waiting for the right set of economic incentives to exist

or leaving people to suffer.

It not unlikely in some cases that the economic incentive for universal
service may never exist may never exist in some  reasons which doesn't
mean that we shouldn't do something about it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rural_Electrification_Administration#History

> At my last job we built out a fiber to the home ILEC in relatively
> rural Louisiana. This means that we had quite a number of customers
> that didn't meet the density requirements for deployment. Using 
> made-up numbers for the sake of discussion, lets assume that a
> customer provides $1/month for service. If you can place deployment
> in a highly-dense area you'll make a lot more of those $1's per month
> with that investment. When you start deploying further to the edge
> you really slide into the "we're not even breaking even on this"
> market. Obviously anyone that has a job for profit knows that this is
> a no-no.
> 
> As telcos deploy high-density technologies (fiber, metroE, etc) they
> can pull the legacy technology (xDSL, T1, etc) and push that to the
> edge. Unfortunately the edge is always going to get the hand-me-downs
> but it's better than nothing. My wife is from a tiny town in central
> PA (the vortex between Pittsburgh and Philly) and her parents have
> had dialup until last year, when the local telco finally pushed DSL
> to their location. They only draw 1.5meg but it's better than the 56k
> they were paying for.
> 
> As they say in vegas, "It's just business, baby."
> 
> 
> 
> On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 5:51 PM, Crooks, Sam
> wrote:
> 
>> I had good luck getting my dad some form of broadband access in
>> rural Oregon using a 3g router (Cradlepoint), a Wilson Electronics
>> signal amp (model 811211), and an outdoor mount high gain antenna.
>> It's not great, but considering the alternatives (33.6k dialup for
>> $60/mo or satellite broadband for $150-$200/mo) it wasn't a bad
>> deal for my dad when you consider that the dialup ISP + dedicated
>> POTS line cost about as much as the 5GB 3G data plan does.
>> 
>> Speed is somewhere between  dialup and Uverse or FIOS.  I get the
>> sense that it is somewhere in the range of 256 - 512 kbps with high
>> latency (Dad's not one for much in the way of network performance
>> testing).
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> -Original Message- From: Michael Sokolov
>>> [mailto:msoko...@ivan.harhan.org] Sent: Friday, February 26, 2010
>>> 3:35 PM To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Locations with no good
>>> Internet (was ISP in Johannesburg)
>>> 
>>> Daniel Senie  wrote:
>>> 
 Better than western Massachusetts, where there's just no
>> connectivity
>>> at =
 all. Even dialup fails to function over crappy lines.
>>> 
>>> Hmm.  Although I've never been to Western MA and hence have no
>>> idea what the telecom situation is like over there, I'm certainly
>>> aware of quite a few places in "first world USA" where DSL is
>>> still a fantasy, let
>> alone
>>> fiber.
>>> 
>>> As a local example, I have a friend in a rural area of Southern 
>>> California who can't get any kind of "high-speed Internet".  I've
>>> run
>> a
>>> prequal on her address and it tells me she is 31 kft from the CO.
>>> The CO in question has a Covad DSLAM in it, but at 31 kft those
>>> rural residents' options are limited to either IDSL at 144 kbps
>>> (not much point in that) or a T1 starting at ~$700/month.  The
>>> latter figure is typically well out of range for the kind of
>>> people who live in such places.
>>> 
>>> That got me thinking: ISDN/IDSL and T1 can be extended infinitely
>>> far into the boondocks because those signal formats support
>>> repeaters. What I'm wondering is how can we do the same thing
>>> with SDSL - and I mean politically rather than technically.  The
>>> technical part is easy: some COs already have CLECs in them that
>>> serve G.shdsl (I've been told that NEN does that) and for G.shdsl
>>> repeaters are part of the standard (searching around shows a few
>>> vendors making them); in the case of SDSL/2B1Q (Covad and
>>> DSL.net) there is no official support for repeaters and hence no
>>> major vendors making such, but I can build such a
>> repeater
>>> unofficially.
>>> 
>>> The difficulty is with the political part, and that's where I'm
>> seeking
>>> the wisdom of this list.  How would one go about sticking a
>>> mid-span repeater into an ILEC-owned 31 kft rural loop?  From
>>> what I understand (someone please correct me if I'm wrong!), when
>>> a CLEC orders a loop from an ILEC, if it's for a T1 or IDSL, the
>>> CLEC actually orders a T1 or ISDN BRI transport from the ILEC
>>> rather than a dry pa

Re: Locations with no good Internet (was ISP in Johannesburg)

[gordon b slater]

On Fri, 2010-02-26 at 19:20 -0500, Daniel Senie wrote:
> Hopefully someone will bother to cover the rural areas with cell
>  service eventually.
> 

I'm finding a fair number (about 40%+) of the tech-savvy
"must-have-for-business-emails" users here in very rural UK out of reach
of RA-ADSL) are using/have used Lynx as their browser and Mutt as email
client, in some cases even when 3G (fringe reception only, possibly with
tropopausal involvement*) is sometimes reachable.

This only came to my attention last week when I noticed a strange
Mailer: header and kinda shocked me at first, so I quizzed the sender
further. They say that WAP-enabled sites are a non-starter for "daily"
use.

Worth looking into if the end-user can handle it in these situations. 
Rural DSL for them usually means Damn Small Linux - their joke not mine.


Gord

(* I'm not convinced about this - it fits their anecdotes, but I'm not
sure about the timing/latency issues of the RF-side )  

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Re: [Fwd: [members-discuss] [ncc-announce] RIPE NCC Position On The ITU IPv6 Group]

[Nick Hilliard]

On 27/02/2010 06:20, Kevin Oberman wrote:
> I'm sorry, but some people are spending too much time denying
> history. IPv6 has been largely ready for YEARS. Less than five years ago
> a lot of engineers were declaring IPv6 dead and telling people that
> double and triple NAT was the way of the future. It's only been over the
> past two years that a clear majority of the networks seemed to agree
> that IPv6 was the way out of the mess. (I know some are still in
> denial.) 

Certainly, ipv6 is as popular in some quarters as global warming at a GOP
convention.

> Let's face reality. We have met the enemy and he is us. (Apologies to
> Walt Kelly.) We, the network engineers simply kept ignoring IPv6 for
> years after it was available. 

It's not just the engineers.  The problem is completely systemic to our
culture.  We live in a world where the planning window is the next
financial quarter.  If something doesn't make money during that period,
then most organisations won't bother doing anything with it.

And while some bits of ipv6 have been "ready" for years (icmp ping, for
example), lots of other things haven't.  There is a huge feature disparity
in most networking equipment that I use.  I still can't monitor my ipv6 BGP
sessions because bgp4-mib2 hasn't been standardised.  When I try to
configure my firewall using the point-n-drool GUI which most people will
use, it displays a friendly dialog box saying that my ipv6 configuration
commands have been ignored.  How many enterprise network admins are going
to bother configuring ipv6 if their only configuration interface doesn't
support it?

The RA vs DHCPv6 debacle lingers on (and anyone who tries to claim that
this isn't a debacle is living in cuckoo land), making what was supposed to
be the simplest, easiest part of ipv6 a configuration mess involving
multiple protocols.

But the root cause is that proper ipv6 deployment costs money, and while
lots of us have ipv6 deployed in our core, that's probably the easiest and
cheapest part of our organisations to deploy it.  After that, there's still
provisioning systems, support/troubleshooting, multiple protocol stack
security issues, and so forth.  This is where the real deployment costs
time and resources.

Nick

Re: [Fwd: [members-discuss] [ncc-announce] RIPE NCC Position On The ITU IPv6 Group]

[Nick Hilliard]

On 27/02/2010 04:04, Phil Regnauld wrote:
>   I'm not saying that political incentives (carrot & stick) or government
>   regulations in the line of "implement IPv6 before X/Y or else..." have
>   had any effect, except maybe in Japan:

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the Japanese government did two things:

- tax incentivise ipv6 compliance
- make meaningful ipv6 compliance mandatory when dealing with Japanese
government technical contracts.

The effect of this was to 1) create a direct financial incentive to deploy
meaningfully, and 2) create an indirect financial incentive to deploy ipv6
meaningfully.  Spot the pattern here?

Nick

Re: [Fwd: [members-discuss] [ncc-announce] RIPE NCC Position On The ITU IPv6 Group]

[Jorge Amodio]

Long time ago (10+ years, Randy, others, correct me if I'm wrong)
Japan had the vision and strategy for embracing IPv6 to assume a
leadership position in the data telecommunications market.

I remember how often during our (VRIO) IPO due diligence and later
when the company became part of NTT, IPv6 was on every single
conversation and plans. IPv6 was a must know, must do, must have.

They knew and understood from the begining, yeah it is not a perfect
protocol, yeah it is does not provide "security" per se, yeah many
will start a catfight about NAT and other stuff, no it is not a
conspiracy from router vendors to sell you more gear. IPv4 address
space is a finite resource and sooner or later we will run out of it,
then the earlier we prepare for its replacement the better.

Meanwhile as you said, for others long term vision means the next quarter.

Jorge

Re: Chile (fyi)

[Larry Sheldon]

On 2/27/2010 1:20 AM, chaim.rie...@gmail.com wrote:
> Gettingreports of loss of connectivity to parts of chile
> 
> They had an 8.5 a short while ago.

At that magnitude, I don't know how significant .3 is, but from the USGS:


 == PRELIMINARY EARTHQUAKE REPORT ==

***This event has been revised.


Region:OFFSHORE MAULE, CHILE
Geographic coordinates:35.846S,  72.718W
Magnitude:8.8 Mw
Depth:35 km
Universal Time (UTC): 27 Feb 2010  06:34:14
Time near the Epicenter:  27 Feb 2010  03:34:14
Local standard time in your area: 27 Feb 2010  00:34:14

Location with respect to nearby cities:
 104 km (65 miles) WSW (246 degrees) of Talca, Chile
 114 km (71 miles) NNE (15 degrees) of Concepcion, Chile
 321 km (200 miles) SW (215 degrees) of SANTIAGO, Chile



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Re: Chile (fyi)

[Jorge Amodio]

http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/americas/02/27/chile.quake/index.html?hpt=T1

On Sat, Feb 27, 2010 at 6:47 AM, Larry Sheldon  wrote:
> On 2/27/2010 1:20 AM, chaim.rie...@gmail.com wrote:
>> Gettingreports of loss of connectivity to parts of chile
>>
>> They had an 8.5 a short while ago.
>
> At that magnitude, I don't know how significant .3 is, but from the USGS:
>
>
>                     == PRELIMINARY EARTHQUAKE REPORT ==
>
> ***This event has been revised.
>
>
> Region:                            OFFSHORE MAULE, CHILE
> Geographic coordinates:            35.846S,  72.718W
> Magnitude:                        8.8 Mw
> Depth:                            35 km
> Universal Time (UTC):             27 Feb 2010  06:34:14
> Time near the Epicenter:          27 Feb 2010  03:34:14
> Local standard time in your area: 27 Feb 2010  00:34:14
>
> Location with respect to nearby cities:
>  104 km (65 miles) WSW (246 degrees) of Talca, Chile
>  114 km (71 miles) NNE (15 degrees) of Concepcion, Chile
>  321 km (200 miles) SW (215 degrees) of SANTIAGO, Chile
>
>
>
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>
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Re: Chile (fyi)

[Larry Sheldon]

On 2/27/2010 6:47 AM, Larry Sheldon wrote:
> On 2/27/2010 1:20 AM, chaim.rie...@gmail.com wrote:
>> Gettingreports of loss of connectivity to parts of chile
>>
>> They had an 8.5 a short while ago.
> 
> At that magnitude, I don't know how significant .3 is, but from the USGS:
> 
> 
>  == PRELIMINARY EARTHQUAKE REPORT ==
> 
> ***This event has been revised.
> 
> 
> Region:OFFSHORE MAULE, CHILE
> Geographic coordinates:35.846S,  72.718W
> Magnitude:8.8 Mw
> Depth:35 km
> Universal Time (UTC): 27 Feb 2010  06:34:14
> Time near the Epicenter:  27 Feb 2010  03:34:14
> Local standard time in your area: 27 Feb 2010  00:34:14
> 
> Location with respect to nearby cities:
>  104 km (65 miles) WSW (246 degrees) of Talca, Chile
>  114 km (71 miles) NNE (15 degrees) of Concepcion, Chile
>  321 km (200 miles) SW (215 degrees) of SANTIAGO, Chile

And there are a bunch of other reports, many of them in 5-6 range.


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Re: Chile (fyi)

[Mustafa Golam -]

On Sat, Feb 27, 2010 at 6:49 PM, Jorge Amodio  wrote:

> http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/americas/02/27/chile.quake/index.html?hpt=T1
>

Update: Tsunami warning extended to countries as far as Australia and Japan,

after #Chile  quake
http://bit.ly/ayPOgX

--Mustafa

Re: Chile (fyi)

[Jorge Amodio]

There are many streams from Chile on Ustream, TV de Chile
http://www.ustream.tv/channel-popup/tv-de-chile

They are reporting that at least a 15 story building is down,
emergency services are trying to organize, chemistry lab of a local
uni campus blew up due a fire started by the quake, more than 25 after
shocks ...

Re: Chile (fyi)

[Matt Simmons]

Just a reminder, if you see a receding ocean, run away. That means a
tsunami is imminent.



On Sat, Feb 27, 2010 at 8:01 AM, Jorge Amodio  wrote:
> There are many streams from Chile on Ustream, TV de Chile
> http://www.ustream.tv/channel-popup/tv-de-chile
>
> They are reporting that at least a 15 story building is down,
> emergency services are trying to organize, chemistry lab of a local
> uni campus blew up due a fire started by the quake, more than 25 after
> shocks ...
>
>



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Re: Chile (fyi)

[Marshall Eubanks]

On Feb 27, 2010, at 7:49 AM, Jorge Amodio wrote:


http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/americas/02/27/chile.quake/index.html?hpt=T1

On Sat, Feb 27, 2010 at 6:47 AM, Larry Sheldon  
 wrote:

On 2/27/2010 1:20 AM, chaim.rie...@gmail.com wrote:

Gettingreports of loss of connectivity to parts of chile

They had an 8.5 a short while ago.


At that magnitude, I don't know how significant .3 is, but from the  
USGS:


They use the magnitude moment scale (Mw), and 0.3 magnitudes means 2.8  
times the energy.


Mw = 8.8 is equivalent to maybe 5 Teratons of TNT.

Regards
Marshall





== PRELIMINARY EARTHQUAKE REPORT ==

***This event has been revised.


Region:OFFSHORE MAULE, CHILE
Geographic coordinates:35.846S,  72.718W
Magnitude:8.8 Mw
Depth:35 km
Universal Time (UTC): 27 Feb 2010  06:34:14
Time near the Epicenter:  27 Feb 2010  03:34:14
Local standard time in your area: 27 Feb 2010  00:34:14

Location with respect to nearby cities:
 104 km (65 miles) WSW (246 degrees) of Talca, Chile
 114 km (71 miles) NNE (15 degrees) of Concepcion, Chile
 321 km (200 miles) SW (215 degrees) of SANTIAGO, Chile



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6to4 on Sprint Wireless Broadband

[Izaac]

A few months ago, is appears that Sprint started dropping 6to4
encapsulated packets.  Egress is fine.  Ingress silently drops.  Anyone
see anything similar?  Or am I the only guy crazy enough to be doing
this sort of thing in the first place?

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RE: Consumer Grade - IPV6 Enabled Router Firewalls.

[Frank Bulk]

Heard from a D-Link product manager that code that supports DHCPv6-PD will
be available in the next month or two.  I had asked about the DIR-615 and
DIR-825, but he didn't mention which platform(s).

This is good news.

Frank

-Original Message-
From: Alexandru Petrescu [mailto:alexandru.petre...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2009 8:44 AM
To: Mohacsi Janos
Cc: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Re: Consumer Grade - IPV6 Enabled Router Firewalls.

Mohacsi Janos a écrit :
> 
> 
> 
> On Thu, 3 Dec 2009, Matthew Moyle-Croft wrote:
> 
>>
>>
>> Mohacsi Janos wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> According to Apple the latest Apple Airport Extreme does support 
>>> DHCPv6 prefix delegation and native IPv6 uplink not only 6to4.
>> Airports don't support DHCPv6 PD yet.   I'm led to believe that they 
>> may in the future from my Apple friends but not yet.
> 
> It does in a limited extent:
> http://lists.apple.com/archives/Ipv6-dev/2009/Oct/msg00086.html

Not sure that is DHCPv6 PD (Prefix Delegation), the discussion doesn't 
seem to say so.  If it is it would be wonderful.

> I will check soon the hardware.

Great, please report, thanks,

Alex

> 
> 
> Best Regards,
> Janos Mohacsi
> 
> 
> 

Tsunami

[Larry Sheldon]

Al Gore was fake, the Chilean Earthquakes are real.

If you have interests near the Pacific Ocean, read up on the Tsunami
warnings for the area of your interest.

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D9E4DMIG0&show_article=1
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Re: Chile (fyi)

[Marshall Eubanks]

On Feb 27, 2010, at 8:54 AM, Marshall Eubanks wrote:



On Feb 27, 2010, at 7:49 AM, Jorge Amodio wrote:


http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/americas/02/27/chile.quake/index.html?hpt=T1

On Sat, Feb 27, 2010 at 6:47 AM, Larry Sheldon  
 wrote:

On 2/27/2010 1:20 AM, chaim.rie...@gmail.com wrote:

Gettingreports of loss of connectivity to parts of chile

They had an 8.5 a short while ago.


At that magnitude, I don't know how significant .3 is, but from  
the USGS:


They use the magnitude moment scale (Mw), and 0.3 magnitudes means  
2.8 times the energy.


Mw = 8.8 is equivalent to maybe 5 Teratons of TNT.

Regards
Marshall



http://www.prh.noaa.gov/ptwc/?region=1 has Tsunami warnings from this  
event.


This

http://www.prh.noaa.gov/ptwc/messages/pacific/2010/pacific.2010.02.27.154316.txt

has a list of predicted Tsunami arrival times for a wide range of  
locations in the Pacific, including


NEW ZEALAND EAST CAPE 37.7S 178.5E 1918Z 27 FEB
AUSTRALIA HOBART 43.3S 147.6E 2105Z 27 FEB
HAWAII HILO 19.7N 155.1W 2119Z 27 FEB
JAPAN KUSHIRO 42.9N 144.3E 0435Z 28 FEB
CHINESE TAIPEI HUALIEN 24.0N 121.6E 0626Z 28 FEB
Z is of course UTC.
Regards
Marshall









   == PRELIMINARY EARTHQUAKE REPORT ==

***This event has been revised.


Region:OFFSHORE MAULE, CHILE
Geographic coordinates:35.846S,  72.718W
Magnitude:8.8 Mw
Depth:35 km
Universal Time (UTC): 27 Feb 2010  06:34:14
Time near the Epicenter:  27 Feb 2010  03:34:14
Local standard time in your area: 27 Feb 2010  00:34:14

Location with respect to nearby cities:
104 km (65 miles) WSW (246 degrees) of Talca, Chile
114 km (71 miles) NNE (15 degrees) of Concepcion, Chile
321 km (200 miles) SW (215 degrees) of SANTIAGO, Chile



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Re: Tsunami

[Jason L]

6:01am HST (11:01am EDT) Evac sirens sounded across the Hawaii Islands 
and the wave is expected at 11:05am HST (4:05pm EDT)  this is updated as 
it was 11:19am before.

Re: Tsunami

[Antonio Querubin]

On Sat, 27 Feb 2010, Jason L wrote:

6:01am HST (11:01am EDT) Evac sirens sounded across the Hawaii Islands and 
the wave is expected at 11:05am HST (4:05pm EDT)  this is updated as it was 
11:19am before.


Tsunami evacuation zone areas are being advised to evacuate.  But of 
course the online maps are actually offline today for some reason.


Antonio Querubin
808-545-5282 x3003
e-mail/xmpp:  t...@lava.net

Re: Tsunami

[Kauto Huopio]

On 2/27/10 8:08 PM, Antonio Querubin wrote:

> Tsunami evacuation zone areas are being advised to evacuate.  But of
> course the online maps are actually offline today for some reason.

I'd guess HI civil defence would not mind some quick assistance by a CDN..

--Kauto

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Re: Tsunami

[Antonio Querubin]

On Sat, 27 Feb 2010, Kauto Huopio wrote:


On 2/27/10 8:08 PM, Antonio Querubin wrote:


Tsunami evacuation zone areas are being advised to evacuate.  But of
course the online maps are actually offline today for some reason.


I'd guess HI civil defence would not mind some quick assistance by a CDN..


The telephone book versions are online though.

Antonio Querubin
808-545-5282 x3003
e-mail/xmpp:  t...@lava.net

Re: Tsunami

[Larry Sheldon]

On 2/27/2010 12:52 PM, Antonio Querubin wrote:
> On Sat, 27 Feb 2010, Kauto Huopio wrote:
> 
>> On 2/27/10 8:08 PM, Antonio Querubin wrote:
>>
>>> Tsunami evacuation zone areas are being advised to evacuate.  But of
>>> course the online maps are actually offline today for some reason.
>>
>> I'd guess HI civil defence would not mind some quick assistance by a CDN..
> 
> The telephone book versions are online though.

FYI

http://www.wunderground.com/US/CA/087.html

Scroll down a ways.


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Re: Tsunami

[Jason L]

For anyone interested in live tv coverage  
http://www.weatherserver.net/earthquake/They are windows media feeds 
from Hawaii TV stations.

Re: [Fwd: [members-discuss] [ncc-announce] RIPE NCC Position On The ITU IPv6 Group]

[Joel Jaeggli]

On 02/27/2010 03:49 AM, Nick Hilliard wrote:
> On 27/02/2010 04:04, Phil Regnauld wrote:
>>  I'm not saying that political incentives (carrot & stick) or government
>>  regulations in the line of "implement IPv6 before X/Y or else..." have
>>  had any effect, except maybe in Japan:
> 
> Correct me if I'm wrong, but the Japanese government did two things:
> 
>   - tax incentivise ipv6 compliance
>   - make meaningful ipv6 compliance mandatory when dealing with Japanese
> government technical contracts.
> 
> The effect of this was to 1) create a direct financial incentive to deploy
> meaningfully, and 2) create an indirect financial incentive to deploy ipv6
> meaningfully.  Spot the pattern here?

If you are a network contractor for the US government or a vendor
selling network equipment to the DOD then you've had a similar
incentive, if it's not there, you're not going to end up on the approved
suppliers list.

> Nick
> 

Re: Tsunami

[Jared Mauch]

http://www.prh.noaa.gov/ptwc/

Is a good place to read the warnings and data about measured tsunamai  
heights.


Jared Mauch

On Feb 27, 2010, at 1:55 PM, Larry Sheldon  wrote:


On 2/27/2010 12:52 PM, Antonio Querubin wrote:

On Sat, 27 Feb 2010, Kauto Huopio wrote:


On 2/27/10 8:08 PM, Antonio Querubin wrote:

Tsunami evacuation zone areas are being advised to evacuate.  But  
of

course the online maps are actually offline today for some reason.


I'd guess HI civil defence would not mind some quick assistance by  
a CDN..


The telephone book versions are online though.


FYI

http://www.wunderground.com/US/CA/087.html

Scroll down a ways.


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Re: Consumer Grade - IPV6 Enabled Router Firewalls.

[Joel Jaeggli]

Modula the lack of pd, I found the ipv6 support for the dir-825 (along
with the other things it does well) to be rather decent. If people need
gig-e simultaneous dual band abgn home routers for ~$130 you should
check the thing out.

On 02/27/2010 08:59 AM, Frank Bulk wrote:
> Heard from a D-Link product manager that code that supports DHCPv6-PD will
> be available in the next month or two.  I had asked about the DIR-615 and
> DIR-825, but he didn't mention which platform(s).
> 
> This is good news.
> 
> Frank
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Alexandru Petrescu [mailto:alexandru.petre...@gmail.com] 
> Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2009 8:44 AM
> To: Mohacsi Janos
> Cc: nanog@nanog.org
> Subject: Re: Consumer Grade - IPV6 Enabled Router Firewalls.
> 
> Mohacsi Janos a écrit :
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, 3 Dec 2009, Matthew Moyle-Croft wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Mohacsi Janos wrote:


 According to Apple the latest Apple Airport Extreme does support 
 DHCPv6 prefix delegation and native IPv6 uplink not only 6to4.
>>> Airports don't support DHCPv6 PD yet.   I'm led to believe that they 
>>> may in the future from my Apple friends but not yet.
>>
>> It does in a limited extent:
>> http://lists.apple.com/archives/Ipv6-dev/2009/Oct/msg00086.html
> 
> Not sure that is DHCPv6 PD (Prefix Delegation), the discussion doesn't 
> seem to say so.  If it is it would be wonderful.
> 
>> I will check soon the hardware.
> 
> Great, please report, thanks,
> 
> Alex
> 
>>
>>
>> Best Regards,
>> Janos Mohacsi
>>
>>
>>
> 
> 
> 

Re: Tsunami

[Marshall Eubanks]

The Tsunami is big enough to be dangerous but seems not to be too  
major :


http://www.prh.noaa.gov/ptwc/messages/pacific/2010/pacific.2010.02.27.202736.txt

LOTTIN PT NZ 37.6S 178.2E 1934Z 0.15M / 0.5FT 10MIN
CABO SAN LUCAS MX 22.9N 109.9W 1833Z 0.36M / 1.2FT 12MIN
ACAPULCO MX 16.8N 99.9W 1549Z 0.16M / 0.5FT 24MIN
PAPEETE TAHITI 17.5S 149.6W 1810Z 0.16M / 0.5FT 10MIN
People on the Pacific coast should of course certainly pay attention  
to the warnings of their local authorities.


Regards
Marshall

On Feb 27, 2010, at 2:35 PM, Jared Mauch wrote:


http://www.prh.noaa.gov/ptwc/

Is a good place to read the warnings and data about measured  
tsunamai heights.


Jared Mauch

On Feb 27, 2010, at 1:55 PM, Larry Sheldon   
wrote:



On 2/27/2010 12:52 PM, Antonio Querubin wrote:

On Sat, 27 Feb 2010, Kauto Huopio wrote:


On 2/27/10 8:08 PM, Antonio Querubin wrote:

Tsunami evacuation zone areas are being advised to evacuate.   
But of

course the online maps are actually offline today for some reason.


I'd guess HI civil defence would not mind some quick assistance  
by a CDN..


The telephone book versions are online though.


FYI

http://www.wunderground.com/US/CA/087.html

Scroll down a ways.


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take everything you have."

Remember:  The Ark was built by amateurs, the Titanic by  
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Re: Consumer Grade - IPV6 Enabled Router Firewalls.

[John Jason Brzozowski]

Related to the comment below the latest release of the Apple Airport
Extremes and Time Capsules support IPv6 including prefix delegation and
stateful DHCPv6 on the WAN interface.

I am also working with Netgear and several others to ensure similar
functionality is supported.

John 


On 2/27/10 11:59 AM, "Frank Bulk"  wrote:

> Heard from a D-Link product manager that code that supports DHCPv6-PD will
> be available in the next month or two.  I had asked about the DIR-615 and
> DIR-825, but he didn't mention which platform(s).
> 
> This is good news.
> 
> Frank
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Alexandru Petrescu [mailto:alexandru.petre...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2009 8:44 AM
> To: Mohacsi Janos
> Cc: nanog@nanog.org
> Subject: Re: Consumer Grade - IPV6 Enabled Router Firewalls.
> 
> Mohacsi Janos a écrit :
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Thu, 3 Dec 2009, Matthew Moyle-Croft wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Mohacsi Janos wrote:
 
 
 According to Apple the latest Apple Airport Extreme does support
 DHCPv6 prefix delegation and native IPv6 uplink not only 6to4.
>>> Airports don't support DHCPv6 PD yet.   I'm led to believe that they
>>> may in the future from my Apple friends but not yet.
>> 
>> It does in a limited extent:
>> http://lists.apple.com/archives/Ipv6-dev/2009/Oct/msg00086.html
> 
> Not sure that is DHCPv6 PD (Prefix Delegation), the discussion doesn't
> seem to say so.  If it is it would be wonderful.
> 
>> I will check soon the hardware.
> 
> Great, please report, thanks,
> 
> Alex
> 
>> 
>> 
>> Best Regards,
>> Janos Mohacsi
>> 
>> 
>> 
> 
> 
> 

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Re: Consumer Grade - IPV6 Enabled Router Firewalls.

[Fearghas McKay]

On 27 Feb 2010, at 20:58, John Jason Brzozowski wrote:


Related to the comment below the latest release of the Apple Airport
Extremes and Time Capsules support IPv6 including prefix delegation  
and

stateful DHCPv6 on the WAN interface.


Is that latest hardware releases or software releases?

Are they going to backport to earlier hardware if it is only software  
releases currently?


f

Re: Consumer Grade - IPV6 Enabled Router Firewalls.

[John Jason Brzozowski]

I am testing with the latest hardware which I assume was released with a new
firmware.


On 2/27/10 4:02 PM, "Fearghas McKay"  wrote:

> 
> On 27 Feb 2010, at 20:58, John Jason Brzozowski wrote:
> 
>> Related to the comment below the latest release of the Apple Airport
>> Extremes and Time Capsules support IPv6 including prefix delegation
>> and
>> stateful DHCPv6 on the WAN interface.
> 
> Is that latest hardware releases or software releases?
> 
> Are they going to backport to earlier hardware if it is only software
> releases currently?
> 
> f
> 

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Re: Tsunami

[JC Dill]

Marshall Eubanks wrote:

The Tsunami is big enough to be dangerous but seems not to be too major :
It depends on where you are located, not just how distant you are from 
Chili but also the angle.  They are forecasting a cone-shaped zone of 
effect heading directly towards Hawaii.  See:


http://nctr.pmel.noaa.gov/chile20100227/
http://nctr.pmel.noaa.gov/chile20100227/Chile2010.mov
http://nctr.pmel.noaa.gov/chile20100227/T1960_1-annotated.png

CNN reported a few minutes ago that the tsunami hit New Zealand about 1 
hour ago.  Hawaii is ~3 hours more distant (as the wave travels) from 
the location of the earthquake in Chili than New Zealand, so the 
expectation is that the wave will hit Hawaii a little later than first 
forecast.


ObNANOG:  Does anyone know if transoceanic cable landing facilities are 
sited and built to resist damage a tsunami of a particular 
height/strength?  (Thinking back to the video of the tsunami in the 
Indian Ocean on December 26, 2004.)


jc

Re: Consumer Grade - IPV6 Enabled Router Firewalls.

[Doug Barton]

On 02/27/10 13:17, John Jason Brzozowski wrote:
> I am testing with the latest hardware which I assume was released with a new
> firmware.

That is not in any way a safe assumption.



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Re: Tsunami

[Scott Weeks]

-
> The Tsunami is big enough to be dangerous but seems not to be too major :
--

It wasn't anything.  Stood on the cliff above Pipeline (famous surf spot) and 
couldn't tell if the water washing up the beach was normal winter surf or a 
tsunami.  Other parts of the island may have seen more, though.  Resonance is 
everything with these types of waves.

Many cables land at Kahe on the west side of Oahu and Kawaihae on the Big 
Island, the opposite side of the islands from the direction of the wave.  No 
calls from the NOC, so no trouble AFAIK...  ;-)

scott

Re: Tsunami

[Jeff Shultz]

On 2/27/2010 3:36 PM, Scott Weeks wrote:

---
It wasn't anything.  Stood on the cliff above Pipeline (famous surf spot) and 
couldn't tell if the water washing up the beach was normal winter surf or a 
tsunami.  Other parts of the island may have seen more, though.  Resonance is 
everything with these types of waves.

Many cables land at Kahe on the west side of Oahu and Kawaihae on the Big 
Island, the opposite side of the islands from the direction of the wave.  No 
calls from the NOC, so no trouble AFAIK...  ;-)

scott

   


Last time I checked, Pipeline was on the north side of the island, was 
it not? Activity coming from Chile would be on the east and southern sides.


Nonetheless, based on television coverage it basically "sloshed" in and 
out a lot without any real damage being done. Didn't even look like it 
really got past the beaches from what I could see.


--
Jeff Shultz

Re: Tsunami

[Shon Elliott]

The tsunami center has cancelled the warnings for Hawaii (so I just heard from
fox news). I guess it's really nothing, now. Who knows with how many aftershocks
might be generated from that 8.8 EQ.


-S



Jeff Shultz wrote:
> On 2/27/2010 3:36 PM, Scott Weeks wrote:
>> ---
>> It wasn't anything.  Stood on the cliff above Pipeline (famous surf
>> spot) and couldn't tell if the water washing up the beach was normal
>> winter surf or a tsunami.  Other parts of the island may have seen
>> more, though.  Resonance is everything with these types of waves.
>>
>> Many cables land at Kahe on the west side of Oahu and Kawaihae on the
>> Big Island, the opposite side of the islands from the direction of the
>> wave.  No calls from the NOC, so no trouble AFAIK...  ;-)
>>
>> scott
>>
>>
> 
> Last time I checked, Pipeline was on the north side of the island, was
> it not? Activity coming from Chile would be on the east and southern sides.
> 
> Nonetheless, based on television coverage it basically "sloshed" in and
> out a lot without any real damage being done. Didn't even look like it
> really got past the beaches from what I could see.
> 

Re: [Fwd: [members-discuss] [ncc-announce] RIPE NCC Position On The ITU IPv6 Group]

[Tony Finch]

On Sat, 27 Feb 2010, Joel Jaeggli wrote:
> On 02/27/2010 03:49 AM, Nick Hilliard wrote:
> >
> > Correct me if I'm wrong, but the Japanese government did two things:
> >
> > - tax incentivise ipv6 compliance
> > - make meaningful ipv6 compliance mandatory when dealing with Japanese
> > government technical contracts.
> >
> > The effect of this was to 1) create a direct financial incentive to deploy
> > meaningfully, and 2) create an indirect financial incentive to deploy ipv6
> > meaningfully.  Spot the pattern here?
>
> If you are a network contractor for the US government or a vendor
> selling network equipment to the DOD then you've had a similar
> incentive, if it's not there, you're not going to end up on the approved
> suppliers list.

I get the impression that in Japan the incentives led to real deployment,
but not in the US - which is a big FAIL for DOD procurement policy.

Tony.
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Re: [Fwd: [members-discuss] [ncc-announce] RIPE NCC Position On The ITU IPv6 Group]

[joel jaeggli]

Tony Finch wrote:
> On Sat, 27 Feb 2010, Joel Jaeggli wrote:
>> On 02/27/2010 03:49 AM, Nick Hilliard wrote:
>>> Correct me if I'm wrong, but the Japanese government did two things:
>>>
>>> - tax incentivise ipv6 compliance
>>> - make meaningful ipv6 compliance mandatory when dealing with Japanese
>>> government technical contracts.
>>>
>>> The effect of this was to 1) create a direct financial incentive to deploy
>>> meaningfully, and 2) create an indirect financial incentive to deploy ipv6
>>> meaningfully.  Spot the pattern here?
>> If you are a network contractor for the US government or a vendor
>> selling network equipment to the DOD then you've had a similar
>> incentive, if it's not there, you're not going to end up on the approved
>> suppliers list.
> 
> I get the impression that in Japan the incentives led to real deployment,
> but not in the US - which is a big FAIL for DOD procurement policy.

Having responded to rfp/rfi requests from US governement entities and
their contractors I can assure you that not having ipv6 support in the
network design, and on the equipment to be deployed, along with the
usual other requirements (fips 140-2/cc eal 4/etc) was um not going to
fly (literally in some cases).

> Tony.

Re: Consumer Grade - IPV6 Enabled Router Firewalls.

[Owen DeLong]

I can't say for the WAN interface, but, it doesn't give any controls for 
delegating
stuff to the LAN interface(s) and doesn't provide visible indication of DHCP
support on IPv6 in any configuration options.

Additionally, I've found their IPv6 implementation to be rather broken in a 
number
of "interesting" ways where the combination of IPv6 and IPv4 configuration 
choices
results in several possible useful configurations that simply don't do IPv6 
even though
they should.

Owen

On Feb 27, 2010, at 12:58 PM, John Jason Brzozowski wrote:

> Related to the comment below the latest release of the Apple Airport
> Extremes and Time Capsules support IPv6 including prefix delegation and
> stateful DHCPv6 on the WAN interface.
> 
> I am also working with Netgear and several others to ensure similar
> functionality is supported.
> 
> John 
> 
> 
> On 2/27/10 11:59 AM, "Frank Bulk"  wrote:
> 
>> Heard from a D-Link product manager that code that supports DHCPv6-PD will
>> be available in the next month or two.  I had asked about the DIR-615 and
>> DIR-825, but he didn't mention which platform(s).
>> 
>> This is good news.
>> 
>> Frank
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Alexandru Petrescu [mailto:alexandru.petre...@gmail.com]
>> Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2009 8:44 AM
>> To: Mohacsi Janos
>> Cc: nanog@nanog.org
>> Subject: Re: Consumer Grade - IPV6 Enabled Router Firewalls.
>> 
>> Mohacsi Janos a écrit :
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Thu, 3 Dec 2009, Matthew Moyle-Croft wrote:
>>> 
 
 
 Mohacsi Janos wrote:
> 
> 
> According to Apple the latest Apple Airport Extreme does support
> DHCPv6 prefix delegation and native IPv6 uplink not only 6to4.
 Airports don't support DHCPv6 PD yet.   I'm led to believe that they
 may in the future from my Apple friends but not yet.
>>> 
>>> It does in a limited extent:
>>> http://lists.apple.com/archives/Ipv6-dev/2009/Oct/msg00086.html
>> 
>> Not sure that is DHCPv6 PD (Prefix Delegation), the discussion doesn't
>> seem to say so.  If it is it would be wonderful.
>> 
>>> I will check soon the hardware.
>> 
>> Great, please report, thanks,
>> 
>> Alex
>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Best Regards,
>>>Janos Mohacsi
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
> 
> =
> John Jason Brzozowski
> Comcast Cable
> e) mailto:john_brzozow...@cable.comcast.com
> o) 609-377-6594
> m) 484-962-0060
> w) http://www.comcast6.net
> =
> 
> 

Re: Tsunami

[Scott Weeks]

--- jeffshu...@wvi.com wrote:
Last time I checked, Pipeline was on the north side of the island, was 
it not? Activity coming from Chile would be on the east and southern sides.
--


Wrap around.  The tsunami sirens were going off, folks were getting to high 
ground with all their stuff, the only road was closed and one idiot in the 
ocean waiting to surf it.  Strange day here indeed...

scott