Re: Surcharge for providing Internet routes?
On May 2, 2010, at 9:27 PM, Dorian Kim wrote: > On Sun, May 02, 2010 at 08:27:56PM -0700, Matthew Petach wrote: >> In Asia, there is a popular, but incorrectly named product offering >> that many ISPs sell called "domestic transit" which they sell >> for price $X; for "full routes" you often pay $2X-$3X. I grind my >> teeth every time I hear it, since "transit" doesn't mean "to select >> parts of the internet" in most people's eyes. It's really a paid >> peering offering, but no matter how much I try to correct people, >> the habit of calling it "domestic transit" still persists. :( > > I don't think there is a universally agreed upon definition of what > transit means other than it involves someone paying someone else. > Hurricane Electric routinely offers free transit on IPv6, and, we give free transit to many organizations on IPv4 as well. To us, transit means giving them routes that are not originated by our ASN or ASNs which are customers of our ASN. Owen
Re: Surcharge for providing Internet routes?
On Sun, May 02, 2010 at 08:27:56PM -0700, Matthew Petach wrote: > In Asia, there is a popular, but incorrectly named product offering > that many ISPs sell called "domestic transit" which they sell > for price $X; for "full routes" you often pay $2X-$3X. I grind my > teeth every time I hear it, since "transit" doesn't mean "to select > parts of the internet" in most people's eyes. It's really a paid > peering offering, but no matter how much I try to correct people, > the habit of calling it "domestic transit" still persists. :( I don't think there is a universally agreed upon definition of what transit means other than it involves someone paying someone else. Just to clarify, there are both domestic transit and country specific paid peering products out there in Asia/Pacific region. I have no idea what the sales people call each in different countries, but domestic transit is not a misnomer as the ISP selling you this will be providing reacheability to their country specific customer base AND reacheability to their country specific peers. -dorian
Re: International TE
On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 6:41 PM, Arie Vayner wrote: > Thomas, > > Check this link: > http://onesc.net/communities/ here's a likely silly question: what's the thinking behind not purposefully and openly publishing available communities and their associated policy implications? difficulty? embarrassment? both? neither?
Re: Surcharge for providing Internet routes?
On Sat, May 1, 2010 at 1:43 PM, ML wrote: > Has anyone here heard of or do they themselves charge extra for > providing a complete internet table to customers? > > Waive the surcharge for sufficiently large commits? In Asia, there is a popular, but incorrectly named product offering that many ISPs sell called "domestic transit" which they sell for price $X; for "full routes" you often pay $2X-$3X. I grind my teeth every time I hear it, since "transit" doesn't mean "to select parts of the internet" in most people's eyes. It's really a paid peering offering, but no matter how much I try to correct people, the habit of calling it "domestic transit" still persists. :( Matt\
Re: [ Internap ] Looking Glass / Route Server
Mehmet Akcin recommended > http://wiki.version6.net/LG which looks good. but i am having some config problems o an update to makeaslist.pl is needed o i need docco for lg.conf is there a known mailing list? someone with a clue bat? randy
Re: Surcharge for providing Internet routes?
On 1 May 2010, at 22:42, Steve Bertrand wrote: On 2010.05.01 16:43, ML wrote: Has anyone here heard of or do they themselves charge extra for providing a complete internet table to customers? ... I've never heard of it, but iow, I'd pay more if I could get my upstreams to provide the full table... I've seen the opposite-namely getting a substantial discount for moving from a default route feed to a dfz bgp feed. The rationale was that the default route ip connection was provisioned using hsrp on the provider side and came with a much stricter sla. Nick
