Route hijacking

[Geoff Huston]

My bgp monitor tells me:

*> 1.2.3.0/24   203.119.76.3   0 4608 1221 4637 
3561 1299 12025 ?
*> 5.4.3.0/24   202.12.28.10 4777 2516 1239 
1299 12025 ?


These are _not_ authorized announcements, so could

  AS3561  Savvis
  AS1299  Telia
  AS1239  Sprintlink


kindly DROP these unauthorized route advertisements (and clean up their route 
acceptance processes so that they stop announcing unauthorized noise to the 
rest of the Internet). 

And could the folk who run AS12025 IO-DATA-CENTERS - IO Data Centers kindly 
stop route hijacking?


thanks,

   Geoff

Re: Mystery open source switching company claims top-of-rack price edge (was Re: Pica8 - Open Source Cloud Switch)

[Kevin Oberman]

> Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2010 03:28:25 +0900
> From: Randy Bush 
> 
> >> plonk
> > ... goes your custom
> > Marketing by annoyance, smoke, and mirrors? Gotta love the strategy
> 
> do not buy from spammers

I might also mention that I received private SPAM from a name we all
know and loath. (Hint: He's been banned from NANOG for VERY good
reason and his name is of French derivation.) I just added a filter to
block any mail mentioning pica8 and will see no more of this thread or
their spam.
-- 
R. Kevin Oberman, Network Engineer
Energy Sciences Network (ESnet)
Ernest O. Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory (Berkeley Lab)
E-mail: ober...@es.net  Phone: +1 510 486-8634
Key fingerprint:059B 2DDF 031C 9BA3 14A4  EADA 927D EBB3 987B 3751

RE: IPv6 Routing table will be bloated?

[Frank Bulk - iName.com]

A combo WISP and pre-DOCSIS cable system we bought four years ago in a
relatively rural area had exactly such a setup with Sprint and
UUNet/Verizon/MCI.  They had just one T-1 with each provider and a very
simple BGP configuration.  I just checked, and see that their ASN has been
reused.

Frank

-Original Message-
From: Chris Boyd [mailto:cb...@gizmopartners.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2010 3:08 PM
To: NANOG
Subject: Re: IPv6 Routing table will be bloated?

On Oct 26, 2010, at 2:45 PM, George Bonser wrote:

> But how do they multihome without an ASN?
> If they have an ASN, how did they get it without going to an RIR and
> paying a fee?

I beleive Jack said that they have redundant connections to his network.  I
took that to mean that they did not multihome to different AS.

Such arrangements are not uncommon.  Sprint seems to have done very well
selling this sort of near-turnkey service to rural DSL carriers, tiny single
town MSOs and the like.

--Chris

Re: Mystery open source switching company claims top-of-rack price edge (was Re: Pica8 - Open Source Cloud Switch)

[Atticus]

What interests me is that they can't even be bothered to set up their own
mail server, or at the very least to use Google Apps for mail.

Re: Mystery open source switching company claims top-of-rack price edge (was Re: Pica8 - Open Source Cloud Switch)

[gordon b slater]

On Sat, 2010-10-30 at 21:05 +0200, Lin Pica8 wrote:
> Buy you glasses and a book about network engineering ;) !

eat your own words "in any of these ad-spam posts"

Now get out, and stay out, of my NOCs

Gord

Re: Mystery open source switching company claims top-of-rack price edge (was Re: Pica8 - Open Source Cloud Switch)

[Lin Pica8]

Buy you glasses and a book about network engineering ;) !

> Meanwhile, I'm failing to see a product

http://www.pica8.org/products/pronto-3780

> source code

http://sourceforge.net/p/xorplus/home/

> or more to the point, any operational aspect at all in any of these ad-spam 
> posts.

Pica natively runs Linux and the code is Open Source. So, you can not
only run 3rd party code (like with Cisco AXP, Juniper Junos SDK or
Arista EOS), but also modify the Networking Stack according to your
needs that is a very interesting feature from an Operational point of
view and something that is not possible with
closed source OS like EOS, JUNOS and IOS.

Vyatta tries to make also an Open-Source Networking product but the
bottleneck is *the performance*.

The target is to attack Cisco by the bottom. Especially, there are a lot
of small operators (like the members of the NANOG) who are
interested by low-cost gear. To be more precise, Cisco doesn't loose
any significant Market Share due to the second market (used equipment)
that is worth many billions each year according to the UNEDA (United
Network Equipment Dealer Association).

They can't buy the latest Cisco gear but they are still used to Cisco,
because they buy refurbished Cisco gear.

Pica8 provides its first significant breakthrough there : to have an
access to the latest networking gear for the price of the refurbished
one. That is *$ 200 per 10G port* or half the price of the closest
competitor, Blade Network Technologies.

We definitely believe that a new networking product should only focus
on the Capex in the first place then think about the Opex in a
second step (OpenFlow).

Mail : pica8@gmail.com


2010/10/30 gordon b slater :
> On Sun, 2010-10-31 at 03:28 +0900, Randy Bush wrote:
>> >> plonk
>> > ... goes your custom
>> > Marketing by annoyance, smoke, and mirrors? Gotta love the strategy
>>
>> do not buy from spammers
>
>
> ...goes without saying.
>
> I'm just wondering if this a guerilla launch for some new Oracle product
> or project, or what, exactly? I'm _very_ confused.
>
> Maybe Paul K. can clear it all up, but apparently he's out of the office
> right now.
>
> Meanwhile, I'm failing to see a product, figures, source code, or more
> to the point, any operational aspect at all in any of these ad-spam
> posts.
>
> Consider this a formal request for root-plink, before we have a major
> corp try to sell us a database solution or proprietary kernel via the
> list.
>
> 
>
> Gord
> --
>
>
>

Re: Mystery open source switching company claims top-of-rack price edge (was Re: Pica8 - Open Source Cloud Switch)

[gordon b slater]

On Sun, 2010-10-31 at 03:28 +0900, Randy Bush wrote:
> >> plonk
> > ... goes your custom
> > Marketing by annoyance, smoke, and mirrors? Gotta love the strategy
> 
> do not buy from spammers


...goes without saying.

I'm just wondering if this a guerilla launch for some new Oracle product
or project, or what, exactly? I'm _very_ confused.

Maybe Paul K. can clear it all up, but apparently he's out of the office
right now.

Meanwhile, I'm failing to see a product, figures, source code, or more
to the point, any operational aspect at all in any of these ad-spam
posts. 

Consider this a formal request for root-plink, before we have a major
corp try to sell us a database solution or proprietary kernel via the
list.



Gord
--

Re: Mystery open source switching company claims top-of-rack price edge(was Re: Pica8 - Open Source Cloud Switch)

[Lin Pica8]

plonk

NANOGers are only followers.

We are 1 second ahead of you.

Mail : pica8.org@

2010/10/30 Tammy A Wisdom :
> Put down the crackpipe. Your product isn't that great
> the b& should be dropped on u shortly
> Ps welcome to the ahbl tard
> Tammy
>
> Tammy A Wisdom
> Summit Open Source Development Group
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Lin Pica8 
> Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2010 16:42:36
> To: 
> Subject: Mystery open source switching company claims top-of-rack price edge
>        (was Re: Pica8 - Open Source Cloud Switch)
>
> Hello,
>
> For your information :
>
> http://www.networkworld.com/news/2010/102810-pica8-opensource-switching.html?page=1
>
> Mail : pica8@gmail.com
>
> 2010/10/19 Lin Pica8 :
>> Hello,
>>
>> To have a better overview of a Cloud (or OpenFlow) Switch, I would
>> greatly appreciate to invite you to a further reading of the
>> presentation entitled "FI technologies on cloud computing and trusty
>> networking" from our partner, Chunghwa Telecom (Leading ISP in Taiwan)
>> :
>>
>> http://www.asiafi.net/meeting/2010/summerschool/p/chu.pdf
>>
>> Mail : pica8@gmail.com
>>
>> 2010/10/18 Lin Pica8 :
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> We are starting to distribute Pica8 Open Source Cloud Switches :
>>>
>>> http://www.pica8.com/
>>>
>>> Especially, a Pica8 Switch with the following specifications
>>> (including Open Source Firmware) :
>>>
>>> -HW : 48x1Gbps + 4x10 Gbps
>>>
>>> -Firmware :  L2/L3 management for VLAN, LACP, STP/RSTP, LLDP, OSPF,
>>> RIP, static route, PIM-SM, VRRP, IGMP, IGMP Snooping, IPv6,
>>> Radius/Tacacs+ as well as OpenFlow 1.0
>>>
>>> would compete with a Cisco Catalyst 2960-S, Model WS-C2960S-48TD-L for
>>> half the price (~2k USD).
>>>
>>> Mail : pica8@gmail.com
>>>
>>
>
>

Re: Mystery open source switching company claims top-of-rack priceedge (was Re: Pica8 - Open Source Cloud Switch)

[Brielle Bruns]

Welcome to the AHBL, pica8.

Hope you enjoy your stay, and don't expect us to be recommending your products 
to our data center clients.

Nothing pisses me off more then a company claiming to support open source 
software that spams.
--Original Message--
From: Lin Pica8
To: Randy Bush
Cc: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Re: Mystery open source switching company claims top-of-rack priceedge 
(was Re: Pica8 - Open Source Cloud Switch)
Sent: Oct 30, 2010 12:08 PM

plonk

2010/10/30 Randy Bush :
>> Hello,
>>
>> For your information :
>>
>> http://www.networkworld.com/news/2010/102810-pica8-opensource-switching.html?page=1
>
> your spam is getting annoying
>
> randy
>



-- 
Brielle Bruns
http://www.sosdg.org  /  http://www.ahbl.org

Re: Mystery open source switching company claims top-of-rack price edge(was Re: Pica8 - Open Source Cloud Switch)

[Tammy A Wisdom]

Put down the crackpipe. Your product isn't that great  
the b& should be dropped on u shortly
Ps welcome to the ahbl tard
Tammy

Tammy A Wisdom
Summit Open Source Development Group


-Original Message-
From: Lin Pica8 
Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2010 16:42:36 
To: 
Subject: Mystery open source switching company claims top-of-rack price edge
(was Re: Pica8 - Open Source Cloud Switch)

Hello,

For your information :

http://www.networkworld.com/news/2010/102810-pica8-opensource-switching.html?page=1

Mail : pica8@gmail.com

2010/10/19 Lin Pica8 :
> Hello,
>
> To have a better overview of a Cloud (or OpenFlow) Switch, I would
> greatly appreciate to invite you to a further reading of the
> presentation entitled "FI technologies on cloud computing and trusty
> networking" from our partner, Chunghwa Telecom (Leading ISP in Taiwan)
> :
>
> http://www.asiafi.net/meeting/2010/summerschool/p/chu.pdf
>
> Mail : pica8@gmail.com
>
> 2010/10/18 Lin Pica8 :
>> Hello,
>>
>> We are starting to distribute Pica8 Open Source Cloud Switches :
>>
>> http://www.pica8.com/
>>
>> Especially, a Pica8 Switch with the following specifications
>> (including Open Source Firmware) :
>>
>> -HW : 48x1Gbps + 4x10 Gbps
>>
>> -Firmware :  L2/L3 management for VLAN, LACP, STP/RSTP, LLDP, OSPF,
>> RIP, static route, PIM-SM, VRRP, IGMP, IGMP Snooping, IPv6,
>> Radius/Tacacs+ as well as OpenFlow 1.0
>>
>> would compete with a Cisco Catalyst 2960-S, Model WS-C2960S-48TD-L for
>> half the price (~2k USD).
>>
>> Mail : pica8@gmail.com
>>
>

Re: Mystery open source switching company claims top-of-rack price

[Lyndon Nerenberg (VE6BBM/VE7TFX)]

> Marketing by annoyance, smoke, and mirrors? Gotta love the strategy

But as was demonstrated by the link they posted earlier today, they
make a good filter for determining "news" organizations that operate
on the theory of "news by press release."

Think of them as a honeypot feed :-P

--lyndon

Re: Mystery open source switching company claims top-of-rack price edge (was Re: Pica8 - Open Source Cloud Switch)

[Randy Bush]

>> plonk
> ... goes your custom
> Marketing by annoyance, smoke, and mirrors? Gotta love the strategy

do not buy from spammers

Re: Mystery open source switching company claims top-of-rack price edge (was Re: Pica8 - Open Source Cloud Switch)

[gordon b slater]

On Sat, 2010-10-30 at 20:08 +0200, Lin Pica8 wrote:
> plonk

... goes your custom

Marketing by annoyance, smoke, and mirrors? Gotta love the strategy
 
cya

Re: Mystery open source switching company claims top-of-rack price edge (was Re: Pica8 - Open Source Cloud Switch)

[Chris Adams]

Once upon a time, Randy Bush  said:
> > Hello,
> > 
> > For your information :
> > 
> > http://www.networkworld.com/news/2010/102810-pica8-opensource-switching.html?page=1
> 
> your spam is getting annoying

Me too

I've received direct spam as well about this crap as well, presumably
from list address harvesting from NANOG or other similar list.  The way
to sell stuff to net admins is not to spam them; I have a special mail
folder that I store all such vendor spam to make sure I never
accidentally buy from them in the future.

-- 
Chris Adams 
Systems and Network Administrator - HiWAAY Internet Services
I don't speak for anybody but myself - that's enough trouble.

Re: Mystery open source switching company claims top-of-rack price edge (was Re: Pica8 - Open Source Cloud Switch)

[Lin Pica8]

plonk

2010/10/30 Randy Bush :
>> Hello,
>>
>> For your information :
>>
>> http://www.networkworld.com/news/2010/102810-pica8-opensource-switching.html?page=1
>
> your spam is getting annoying
>
> randy
>

Re: Mystery open source switching company claims top-of-rack price edge (was Re: Pica8 - Open Source Cloud Switch)

[Randy Bush]

> Hello,
> 
> For your information :
> 
> http://www.networkworld.com/news/2010/102810-pica8-opensource-switching.html?page=1

your spam is getting annoying

randy

Mystery open source switching company claims top-of-rack price edge (was Re: Pica8 - Open Source Cloud Switch)

[Lin Pica8]

Hello,

For your information :

http://www.networkworld.com/news/2010/102810-pica8-opensource-switching.html?page=1

Mail : pica8@gmail.com

2010/10/19 Lin Pica8 :
> Hello,
>
> To have a better overview of a Cloud (or OpenFlow) Switch, I would
> greatly appreciate to invite you to a further reading of the
> presentation entitled "FI technologies on cloud computing and trusty
> networking" from our partner, Chunghwa Telecom (Leading ISP in Taiwan)
> :
>
> http://www.asiafi.net/meeting/2010/summerschool/p/chu.pdf
>
> Mail : pica8@gmail.com
>
> 2010/10/18 Lin Pica8 :
>> Hello,
>>
>> We are starting to distribute Pica8 Open Source Cloud Switches :
>>
>> http://www.pica8.com/
>>
>> Especially, a Pica8 Switch with the following specifications
>> (including Open Source Firmware) :
>>
>> -HW : 48x1Gbps + 4x10 Gbps
>>
>> -Firmware :  L2/L3 management for VLAN, LACP, STP/RSTP, LLDP, OSPF,
>> RIP, static route, PIM-SM, VRRP, IGMP, IGMP Snooping, IPv6,
>> Radius/Tacacs+ as well as OpenFlow 1.0
>>
>> would compete with a Cisco Catalyst 2960-S, Model WS-C2960S-48TD-L for
>> half the price (~2k USD).
>>
>> Mail : pica8@gmail.com
>>
>

Re: Weird Nexus AD

[Tim Stevenson]

am = adjacency manager. Since NXOS is a modular OS, different 
processes/services source routes to the URIB, and AM is one of them. 
OSPF, BGP, other RPs, HSRP, etc also feed their routes to the URIB.


AM really only feeds directly connected host prefixes (/32) to the 
RIB (ie, for each resolved ARP entry). These entries are not shown in 
sh ip route by default (unless you're running very old code) - I 
assume you are using sh ip route am to see these? If so, completely expected.


We can take the discussion to cisco-nsp or offline if you need more 
information.


Hope that helps,
Tim


At 09:36 PM 10/29/2010, Colby Glass uttered:


  system:version 4.2(2a)

I've read that am = adjacency module or adjacency manager. The words mean
less to me than why I seem to be learning this route from a phantom
module/manager/interface with no visible explanation.

I can try on c-nsp as well. Thought NANOG might be a better choice.

Colby

On Sat, Oct 30, 2010 at 12:04 AM, christian koch  wrote:

> in x/y, x= preference, y= metric
>
> am= adjacency module, *= best unicast route
>
> a better place to have asked this would be c-nsp
>
> hth
>
> -ck
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 7:21 PM, Colby Glass 
wrote:

>
>> We're seeing an AD of 2 on some routes on our Nexus 7k. I can't find
>> anything (Google) to indicate where this value is coming from. Also unable
>> to find out what "am" mean (adjacency module?). Does anyone have an
>> explanation for this one?
>>
>> *  via 192.168.21.49, Vlan13, [2/0], 00:44:52, am*
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> --
>> Colby Glass
>> Network Engineer
>> http://blog.alwaysthenetwork.com
>>
>
>


--
Colby Glass
Network Engineer
http://blog.alwaysthenetwork.com





Tim Stevenson, tstev...@cisco.com
Routing & Switching CCIE #5561
Distinguished Technical Marketing Engineer, Cisco Nexus 7000
Cisco - http://www.cisco.com
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