Requesting off-list contact from a verizon.net mail admin

[Andrew Jones]

If someone who looks after verizon.net mail is listening, I would
appreciate them contacting me regarding some issues we are having getting
email through from our IP range.
We've tried all the usual email channels (no response), and the online
form insists that reverse DNS is missing (it's not) or the address is
dynamic (it's not).
Thanks,
Andrew Jones

Daraco Services

Re: U.S. spy agencies ... email for cybersecurity

[George - AD7RL]

To be fair, we really should listen to what he had to say;

http://www.c-span.org/Events/Director-of-NSA-Outlines-New-Threats-to-Security-and-Economy/10737432170-1/

The introduction by Wolfowitz doesn't really help the credibility, but the 
master of FUD knows you have to build a foundation of truth in order to 
layer on the FUD.


Alexander's technical discussion is pretty good. He seems to at least know 
the basics of the issues he addresses. It's his conclusions I have trouble 
with.


First and foremost, he proposes addressing the problem of insecure systems 
by layering on another system. This approach hasn't worked yet, and is 
even less likely to work in the future.


If they build this system, can they keep malicious hackers out? Chinese? 
Russians? If they can build this system securely, why not just go without 
it, and rebuild the existing systems securely?


While they may only be interested in data streams, and not email content, 
as he said: How will you build it with the capability of examining binary 
attachments or links, but not email content? By nature, this system would 
have the capability of reading our mail, even if that's not the stated 
purpose. How long until mission creep starts looking for keywords?


Then there's issues of concern mainly to technical people. Many on this 
list have the capability of doing some really bad stuff to the network. 
Would it be justifiable to watch these people a little more closely than 
the general public? The public might not mind (yet), but should all of our 
discussions (i.e., intellectual property) be automatically forfeited to 
the government?


Both signed and proposed legislation have opened the door to "greater 
cooperation between the military and homeland security". Should this 
capability of the military be available to DHS to hunt out "subversives"?


Can they guarantee that there will be no mission creep? No searching (or 
archiving) of email contents? And most of all, can they guarantee that it 
will never get pwned?




Cheers,
G_

Re: Admin? Bueller?

[Christopher Morrow]

On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 1:39 PM, shawn wilson  wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 1:22 PM, Christopher Morrow
>  wrote:
>
>> the admins of the nanog-list could certainly take action though.
>>
>
> the reason for my email is that it was the second ot type email in a
> week and i was hoping someone could clarify what the moderators will
> and won't do.

oh sure, the admins can/should find an answer to this... since it's annoying.

> i don't think an isp should block an email of this type - it doesn't
> appear the account has been compromised at this point. the email is ot
> to the list, not a compromise to the sender or isp.

Re: U.S. spy agencies ... email for cybersecurity

[Christopher Morrow]

On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 11:22 PM, Christopher Morrow
 wrote:
> (note, people ought to: 1) think about this on their own making up
> their own minds, 2) understand that the press has some very weird
> ideas, 3) take some better protections on their own, for their own
> security)
>
> also, I'm not judging the OP nor the reporter nor the ideas espoused
> in the article/clips...
>
> On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 9:46 PM, William Allen Simpson
>  wrote:
>> Somebody needs to give them a clue-by-four.  The private sector
>
> people keep trying, sometimes it's helped. sometimes reporters need to
> sell stories :(
>
>> already has the "Internet address where an email ... originated";
>
> it's not just email they care about :( (you knew that I think)
>
>> it's already in the Received lines.  We don't need to be informed
>> about it, we already inform each other about it.
>
> one interesting idea, that has proven out some merit over the years is
> the ability to share 'incident' data across entry points (say across
> companies, or gov'ts even) about 'bad things' that are happening.
>
> Take the case of 'spam came in from this end system to my mailserver',
> if I tell you that (or some central system that which you can query)
> you'll learn that maybe the inbound connection to you is also
> spam-rich.
>
>> And it's already delivered "at network speed."
>>
>
> the article sort of reads like the above scenario though... maybe it's
> NOT that, maybe it's something else entirely... it SEEMS that the
> gov't wants to help. They may be able to, they may just foul things
> up. The reporter certainly didn't leave enough details in place to
> tell :(
>
>> It is my understanding the Dept of Homeland Security already
>> cooperates in sharing government intrusion information.  We certainly
>> don't need a "U.S. spy agency" MITM to "protect the private sector."
>
> 
>
> you may mean? could be... the wikipedias are sometimes wrong, or so
> says the teacher of my 7yr old.
>
>> Moreover, the US is the source of most spam and malware, so the NSA
>> isn't really going to be much help.  And the US is the source of the
>
> but hosts in the US that are botted/spamming, also spam/bot other
> things outside the US, right? so really who cares where the src is,
> get some data collection points up and use that data to inform your
> security policy, no? (sure, you'll have to have some smarts, and some
> smart people, and be cautious... but you'd do that anyway, right? :) )
>
> These folks have some awesome tech for that sort of data collection
> and analysis:
>  
>
> it's a shame that their parent company can't find a way to monetize
> that sort of thing. (the article there talks about some older version
> of the system, which is still alive/well today doing fraud detection
> and was doing some IDS/anomaly-detection-like work as well for ip
> network things)

to be fair to vz/mci here, an offline reader pointed me to:


hey lookie, they sold one :) (hopefully for the sheriff folks, they
can do more of this, it really is cool)

>> only known cyber attacks on other country's infrastructure, so it's
>> not likely much help there, either.  Unless they expect retaliation?
>>
>> ===
>>
>> http://in.reuters.com/article/2012/07/10/net-us-usa-security-cyber-idINBRE86901620120710
>>
>> U.S. spy agencies say won't read Americans' email for cybersecurity
>> 8:48pm EDT
>>
>> By Tabassum Zakaria and David Alexander
>>
>> WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The head of the U.S. spy agency that eavesdrops on
>> electronic communications overseas sought on Monday to reassure Americans
>> that the National Security Agency would not read their personal email if
>> a new cybersecurity law was enacted to allow private companies to share
>> information with the government.
>> ...
>>
>> But to help protect the private sector, he said it was important that the
>> intelligence agency be able to inform them about the type of malicious
>
> translated: "Hey, what if we could tell our private sector partners
> (Lockheed-Martin, for instance) that they should be on the lookout for
> things like X, or traffic destined to Y, or people sending all their
> DNS queries to these 5 netblocks." (dcwg.org sorta crap)
>
> that doesn't sound 'bad', it sounds like there is a gap in the
> business world to wrap all this data up and sell access to it... but
> the gov't can jump in with their mountains of data from their
> 'einstein' or whatever and go to town protecting their 'partners' who
> have often close interactions with the gov't, right?
>
>> software and other cyber intrusions it is seeing and hear from companies
>> about what they see breaching the protective measures on their computer
>> networks.
>
> adding to the above: "What if we had an API such that you could feed
> your collected alarm/alert/badness data

Re: Admin? Bueller?

[shawn wilson]

On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 1:22 PM, Christopher Morrow
 wrote:

> the admins of the nanog-list could certainly take action though.
>

the reason for my email is that it was the second ot type email in a
week and i was hoping someone could clarify what the moderators will
and won't do.

i don't think an isp should block an email of this type - it doesn't
appear the account has been compromised at this point. the email is ot
to the list, not a compromise to the sender or isp.

Re: Admin? Bueller?

[Christopher Morrow]

On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 1:16 PM, George Herbert
 wrote:

> I mean, really, if you are at provider X and provider X starts
> spamming the list, I would think you'd deal with that internally...

it's a tad rough to call what's happening 'spamming', it's surely
'sending off-topic mails to a list'.
I'm not sure yahoo would classify (or most other folks) this as 'bad
enough to ban the account' yet.

the admins of the nanog-list could certainly take action though.

Re: Admin? Bueller?

[George Herbert]

On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 9:41 AM, Matt Griswold  wrote:
> * Jon Lewis  [120710 12:37 -0400]:
>> Yahoo?  Don't hold your breath.  The person appears to have been
>> using the same yahoo account for all the nig nog messages.  Why
>> whoever has admin rights to the mailing list hasn't
>> removed/banned/filtered nanog...@yahoo.com is a mystery.
>
> We were letting people practice their procmail :)  They've both been
> filtered.


Scary thought - is there nobody from Yahoo on NANOG anymore?

I mean, really, if you are at provider X and provider X starts
spamming the list, I would think you'd deal with that internally...

8-(

-- 
-george william herbert
george.herb...@gmail.com

Re: Admin? Bueller?

[Doug Barton]

On 7/10/2012 9:48 AM, JC Dill wrote:
> On 10/07/12 9:25 AM, Seth Mattinen wrote:
>> Whatever admin that's asleep at the wheel needs to wake up. ~Seth 
> 
> I'm really surprised that people who subscribe to NANOG don't know any
> better than to send their complaints TO THE LIST ADDRESS instead of
> emailing the ADMIN address.  Sheesh - it's worse than AOL around here
> these days.

Me too!


-- 
If you're never wrong, you're not trying hard enough

Re: Admin? Bueller?

[valdis . kletnieks]

On Tue, 10 Jul 2012 11:41:23 -0500, Matt Griswold said:
> We were letting people practice their procmail :)  They've both been
> filtered.

"both"?  I only noticed one source account?


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Re: Admin? Bueller?

[JC Dill]

On 10/07/12 9:25 AM, Seth Mattinen wrote:
Whatever admin that's asleep at the wheel needs to wake up. ~Seth 


I'm really surprised that people who subscribe to NANOG don't know any 
better than to send their complaints TO THE LIST ADDRESS instead of 
emailing the ADMIN address.  Sheesh - it's worse than AOL around here 
these days.


jc

Re: Hotmail/live

[Ryan Gelobter]

I'd appreciate it if a postmaster from the Hotmail/Live team could contact
me off-list as well. My previous contacts are no longer part of the Hotmail
team and haven't been able to successfully get me in touch with anyone over
there.

On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 12:18 PM, matt kelly  wrote:

> Can a hotmail/live.com postmaster contact me offlist please?
>
> Thanks
>

RE: Admin? Bueller?

[Kurt Ellzey]

>We were letting people practice their procmail :)  They've both been
filtered.


It's situations like this that make me happy I signed up.  I just started
with the list this week, and finding out tools for correcting specific tasks
is outstanding.  Finding ones that actually WORK is a bonus.

Thanks for the tip.

Re: Admin? Bueller?

[Matt Griswold]

* Jon Lewis  [120710 12:37 -0400]:
> Yahoo?  Don't hold your breath.  The person appears to have been
> using the same yahoo account for all the nig nog messages.  Why
> whoever has admin rights to the mailing list hasn't
> removed/banned/filtered nanog...@yahoo.com is a mystery.

We were letting people practice their procmail :)  They've both been
filtered.

Re: Admin? Bueller?

[Joe Greco]

> On Tue, 10 Jul 2012, Seth Mattinen wrote:
> > On 7/10/12 9:16 AM, John Peach wrote:
> >> On Tue, 10 Jul 2012 12:05:36 -0400
> >> shawn wilson  wrote:
> >>
> >>> can some op filter this asshole?
> >>>
> >>
> >> Please stop forwarding the whole message; I'd already dropped him in my
> >> procmail rules.
> >>
> >
> > I don't think the archives need to be archiving it, and those with
> > corporate accounts on here may not appreciate explaining it to HR.
> > Whatever admin that's asleep at the wheel needs to wake up.
> 
> Yahoo?  Don't hold your breath.  The person appears to have been using the 
> same yahoo account for all the nig nog messages.  Why whoever has admin 
> rights to the mailing list hasn't removed/banned/filtered 
> nanog...@yahoo.com is a mystery.

It's the union of mailing list on autopilot with service provider on
autopilot.

... JG
-- 
Joe Greco - sol.net Network Services - Milwaukee, WI - http://www.sol.net
"We call it the 'one bite at the apple' rule. Give me one chance [and] then I
won't contact you again." - Direct Marketing Ass'n position on e-mail spam(CNN)
With 24 million small businesses in the US alone, that's way too many apples.

Re: Admin? Bueller?

[Jon Lewis]

On Tue, 10 Jul 2012, Seth Mattinen wrote:


On 7/10/12 9:16 AM, John Peach wrote:

On Tue, 10 Jul 2012 12:05:36 -0400
shawn wilson  wrote:


can some op filter this asshole?



Please stop forwarding the whole message; I'd already dropped him in my
procmail rules.



I don't think the archives need to be archiving it, and those with
corporate accounts on here may not appreciate explaining it to HR.
Whatever admin that's asleep at the wheel needs to wake up.


Yahoo?  Don't hold your breath.  The person appears to have been using the 
same yahoo account for all the nig nog messages.  Why whoever has admin 
rights to the mailing list hasn't removed/banned/filtered 
nanog...@yahoo.com is a mystery.


--
 Jon Lewis, MCP :)   |  I route
 Senior Network Engineer |  therefore you are
 Atlantic Net|
_ http://www.lewis.org/~jlewis/pgp for PGP public key_

Re: Admin? Bueller?

[Lynda]

On 7/10/2012 9:25 AM, Seth Mattinen wrote:

On 7/10/12 9:16 AM, John Peach wrote:

On Tue, 10 Jul 2012 12:05:36 -0400
shawn wilson  wrote:



can some op filter...



Please stop forwarding the whole message; I'd already dropped him in my
procmail rules.


+1


I don't think the archives need to be archiving it, and those with
corporate accounts on here may not appreciate explaining it to HR.
Whatever admin that's asleep at the wheel needs to wake up.


I just BCC'd someone, in case they aren't currently paying attention to 
the list. Seriously, though, this account should have been blocked after 
the very first message. There's enough traffic on the list without 
adding this (and all the resulting followups) to it, thanks.


--
Politicians are like a Slinky.
They're really not good for anything,
but they still bring a smile to your face
when you push them down a flight of stairs.

Re: *spam* Fwd: U.S. spy agencies ... email for cybersecurity

[shawn wilson]

On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 12:16 PM, John Peach  wrote:
> On Tue, 10 Jul 2012 12:05:36 -0400
> shawn wilson  wrote:
>
>> can some op filter this asshole?
>>
>
> Please stop forwarding the whole message; I'd already dropped him in my
> procmail rules.
>

*shrug*, it needed a new thread since it ot of the originating thread.

i feel that a maintained list should actively filter spam instead of
expect users to setup their own filters. it's better for the list
archives as well.

Admin? Bueller?

[Seth Mattinen]

On 7/10/12 9:16 AM, John Peach wrote:
> On Tue, 10 Jul 2012 12:05:36 -0400
> shawn wilson  wrote:
> 
>> can some op filter this asshole?
>>
> 
> Please stop forwarding the whole message; I'd already dropped him in my
> procmail rules.
> 

I don't think the archives need to be archiving it, and those with
corporate accounts on here may not appreciate explaining it to HR.
Whatever admin that's asleep at the wheel needs to wake up.

~Seth

Re: *spam* Fwd: U.S. spy agencies ... email for cybersecurity

[John Peach]

On Tue, 10 Jul 2012 12:05:36 -0400
shawn wilson  wrote:

> can some op filter this asshole?
> 

Please stop forwarding the whole message; I'd already dropped him in my
procmail rules.


-- 
john

Re: U.S. spy agencies ... email for cybersecurity

[Jason Pope]

Seriously, on the subject of "email for cybersecurity", can we please just
black list NIG NOG ?

Jason K Pope

Re: HELP IN SETTING UP iBGPlay

[Jason Hellenthal]

Anyone going to block this fool ?


On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 08:45:35AM -0700, NIG NOG wrote:

-- 

 - (2^(N-1))

*spam* Fwd: U.S. spy agencies ... email for cybersecurity

[shawn wilson]

can some op filter this asshole?


-- Forwarded message --
From: NIG NOG 
Date: Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 11:44 AM
Subject: Re: U.S. spy agencies ... email for cybersecurity
To: Suresh Ramasubramanian ,
"valdis.kletni...@vt.edu" 
Cc: North American Network Operators Group 


“Come on! It’s time to play with the Wii!” Kimber dragged Chris to the
middle balance board. “Let’s do snowboarding first. That’s fun.” She
let everyone get in position, and started the snowboarding game. At
first, Chris felt a little clumsy. His massive, stuffed balls weighed
heavily on his legs, and his thick, semi-erect dick, straining against
his pants, made it feel like they were going to pull down at any
moment.

As Tasha and Kimber snickered at his poor performance, Chris felt
himself getting annoyed. I’ve never done this with a monster cock
between my legs! It’s throwing me off balance! Chris sighed audibly
and settled his feet as far apart as possible on the balance board.
His mammoth nutsack swung heavily between his legs. It pulled the
stretchy pants even lower on his body, exposing the base of his broad
prick. Chris felt a bit self-conscious about that, but it felt so good
to let his gargantuan ballsack brush against the fabric of his pants
and against the sides of his thighs. He soon noticed another benefit.
With both his colossal rod and his fat nuts between his legs, his
center of gravity had shifted downward considerably. Once he relaxed
and allowed his gargantuan manhood to sway freely, its huge weight
counteracted his upper body motions, acting like some genital
gyroscope. In no time, Chris was ’snowboarding’ much better than he
had ever done
 before, surpassing both Tasha and Kimber. As an added bonus, the
swaying, sliding sensation felt fantastic.

“Wow, Chris! You’re really coming from behind!” cheered Kimber, who,
facing in the same direction as Chris, and positioned in front of him
in the row, did not see his technique.

“I’m about to cum just from the view from behind,” drooled Tasha,
ogling Chris’s butt and the mammoth, swinging bulge between his legs.
“I think he’s a natural.”

After a few minutes more of snowboarding, Kimber announced, “Okay,
that was a good warm up. Let’s get our hearts pumping.” She stopped
the game and stepped off her board, then bent down and turned it
parallel to the tv. Tasha followed suit and Chris complied clumsily,
finding it difficult to bend over with a semi-hard boner between him
and the board. Once the boards were positioned, Kimber launched a step
aerobics routine, and Chris groaned immediately. The huge girth of his
balls forced his thighs apart into a bowlegged stance, and the heft of
his twenty pound nutsack and thick, fat prick was a burden to swing up
with each step. While each of the girls fairly bounced up and down the
board, Chris was laboriously heaving himself up and down, feeling like
he had a thirty pound sack of potatoes between his legs. Ugh. Whew!
I’m not sure how long I can do this. After a few quick, clumsy steps
up and down, Chris stepped back off the board.

“I’m not sure I’m quite built for this one, Kimber,” he said apologetically.

“Oh, Chris” she said while bouncing up and down the step, “that’s
okay. Sit this one out. You can jump back in whenever you want.” Chris
waddled around the coffee table and sat down on the couch, spreading
his legs wide to give his bloated balls plenty of room. He sighed with
relief as the cushions absorbed the weight of his oversized genitals.
Chris adjusted himself with both hands and settled down to watch the
two girls bounce up and down on the step. This is the kind of workout
I can handle! Just get Jen in there too, and my heart rate will be
plenty high.

Tasha and Kimber continued their step routine for several more
minutes, until Tasha gasped, “That’s it! I’m picking the next one,”
and stepped off the board with slightly wobbly legs. She gave a quick
glance back at Chris on the couch, his fat, semi-hard salami bulging
visibly through his stretchy pants. “I think this one is more our
speed.” She launched a hula hoop routine, and Chris was transfixed as
both girls began gyrating their hips and butts.

“Ooooh! This one is fun!” squealed Kimber. Fun? This one is freaking
amazing!, thought Chris. He could feel his cock immediately start to
swell and thicken again. Kimber’s firm bubble butt looked incredible
in the tight pink shorts she had on, and it bounced tantalizingly as
she swiveled around. Tasha’s posterior wasn’t quite as curvy, though
it was still nice, but her silky, high-cut shorts gave Chris a better
view of her creamy white hips. Ngh! Gotta get some of that.
Chris’s thick prick began to creep even farther down the leg of his
pants, easily surpassing the twenty six inch point. His girth
continued to swell, stretching the leg of the pants entirely out of
proportion. I’ll just slip out of these and I can have Kimber and
Tasha right here on the couch. I wonder if I should do Kimber first,
or Tasha? I bet 

Re: U.S. spy agencies ... email for cybersecurity

[Suresh Ramasubramanian]

On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 9:24 PM,   wrote:
>
>> I have a lot of respect for what REN-ISAC does but it doesn't nearly
>> have the sort of coverage this project appears to be looking at.
>
> The important point is that it's hardly a new and revolutionary idea...

Sure. Is there any point in reinventing a wheel?  Multiple different
silo'd communities have ever been useful - and also the biggest
stumbling block for coordination.

Clearinghouses at a national level aren't particularly new either -
the aussie telecom regulator ACMA set one up for spam / security
reports with various local service providers and its been doing just
fine for the past few years.   At a basic level, aggregating +
anonymizing feeds from various data sources and sending alerts to
SPs.. and cooperation only builds upwards from there.

-- 
Suresh Ramasubramanian (ops.li...@gmail.com)

Re: U.S. spy agencies ... email for cybersecurity

[valdis . kletnieks]

On Tue, 10 Jul 2012 21:19:07 +0530, Suresh Ramasubramanian said:
> On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 8:55 PM, Harry Hoffman
>  wrote:
> > The government is already doing this via the ISACs.
> >
> > http://www.ren-isac.net/docs/charter.html
>
> I have a lot of respect for what REN-ISAC does but it doesn't nearly
> have the sort of coverage this project appears to be looking at.

The important point is that it's hardly a new and revolutionary idea...


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Re: Running your own DNSchanger proxies

[NIG NOG]

Kimber seemed focused on it, rather than him. She continued to stare at the 
broad head of his dick. “I, uh, needed to get it soft so I could put on my, uh, 
pants, and uh.”

“Oh! Okay!. I’m still surprised by how huge you are.” Kimber smiled shyly , but 
pulled back the shower curtain, and held out a folded bundle. “I fixed your 
pants. I stitched up the seam.” She looked questioningly at his mammoth, erect 
cock. “Do you think it will be soft soon? Tasha and I really want to go get the 
growth cream." She blushed. “Tasha’s not the only one who wants a little more 
up top.” Kimber looked back to his huge anaconda as he held it, his hands 
gripping, but not able to encircle the thick shaft.. Chris turned off the 
shower and Kimber handed him a towel. “Here you go!” As he took the fluffy 
towel, Chris turned and his swollen, thirty inch boner swung well out of the 
shower and hovered an inch or two from Kimber. She smiled and patted the fuzzy 
cover on the toilet seat lid. “Why don’t you come out here and dry off, silly?”

Chris did as he was told, awkwardly stepping around Kimber to avoid poking her 
with his fat tree trunk of a dick. Maneuvering around the bathroom without 
allowing his nearly yard long cock to slam into Kimber, or anything else, was 
tricky. He sat down on the toilet, but his warm, swaying balls suddenly 
contacted the cold porcelain of the toilet. He gasped and leaned back suddenly, 
causing his enormous cock to swing upwards towards Kimber’s face. He grabbed it 
hastily, anxious to avoid smacking her in the face with his heavy, thick 
member. Kimber laughed nervously, but then put both of her own soft hands on 
his huge dick, too. “We might as well get started, right?” She began to stroke 
and knead his throbbing prick, which immediately returned to rock hardness.

“Uh, wha?” Chris found it hard to form coherent sentences, between the 
wonderful sensation of Kimber’s small, gentle hands on his cock, and the smile 
on her full lips. He unconsciously resumed stroking his own shaft and was 
rewarded with the novel but invigorating sensation of four hands on his 
dick.”Um, I thought that we weren’t supposed to have sex until Jen got back. 
Not that I mind—“.

Kimber shook her head and giggled. “We’re not having sex, silly. You’re just 
masturbating. I’m just helping you.” She pushed his cock head back towards his 
face. “Shouldn’t you be sucking right now?”

Chris had already leaned way back, opened his mouth, and extended his tongue 
when a thought occurred to him. He leaned away from his mammoth, reddish head, 
and gave Kimber a pleading look. “Wouldn’t you rather do it?”

“Nuh-uh!” Kimber pushed his cock head back towards his mouth. “That’s oral sex. 
We both promised Jen no sex without her.” She continued to stroke her hands up 
and down his fleshy pole. “Masturbation is okay. It’s healthy for you to 
masturbate. You can masturbate all you want. I’m glad you like to masturbate so 
much.” Kimber blushed. “I like to masturbate a lot, too, but not nearly as much 
as you do.”

“Uh, can we call it ‘jerking off’? ‘Masturbation’ sounds a little clinical.” 
Chris asked.

Kimber smiled eagerly. “Of course, Chris. You sure like to jerk off a lot. Your 
big cock must feel really good when you jerk off, doesn’t it?” Chris nodded. 
“Now be quiet and suck your big dick like a good boy. You can’t get any cum on 
the towels, so you’ll have to suck it all up. Okay?” Chris had already planted 
his mouth on his cock head and was slurping for all he was worth, so he only 
nodded. “That’s a good boy, Chris!” Kimber started pumping his prick more 
energetically. “You just keep jerking off until you are good and satisfied, and 
I’ll help so your arms don’t get tired. We’ll get this big dick to relax in no 
time.” Chris, remarkably unselfconscious for once, hungrily licked and slurped 
his own dick, reveling in the sensation of additional hands on his massive, 
lengthy pole. This is what I need— some help getting some satisfaction! Maybe 
Tasha can come in and help out too. Just as he was about to call out to
 Kimber’s roommate for more assistance, Kimber reached up and gently guided his 
mouth over his huge cock slit.

“Now, come on, Chris. No fooling around. You’ve gotta eat all this yummy cum. 
Don’t you want to eat it all up?” Chris dutifully started sucking eagerly. I 
wonder if Greg would want to help out? I bet you he couldn’t resist the chance. 
Terry would probably help out too. Chris envisioned Jen and both of her 
roomates, as well as Persephone, Greg, and Terry, all stroking his dick. If I 
could just get about six people to jerk me off, I could relax and really focus 
on sucking my cock. I wonder if there’s enough room for six? Chris’s musing was 
interrupted by the start of another massive, delicious orgasm. Mm!

Given Kimber’s enthusiastic coaching and encouragement, Chris felt like he 
could have gone all night. Kimber cooed and praised him while the two of them 
massaged his enormous schl

Re: HELP IN SETTING UP iBGPlay

[Grant Ridder]

can someone do a blanket block on nanog*@yahoo.com?

On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 10:45 AM, NIG NOG  wrote:

>
>
>
>
>
> When he sat down on the bed, he quickly pulled his stretchy pants down as
> far as he could reach. Still, his tremendous prick was trapped, the pants
> leg tight around his ankle and the swollen, almost eighteen inch
> circumference pole. Unh! Gotta give my dick some room! I need this out!
> Chris lunged forward and desperately pulled at the pants, trying to free
> his gargantuan schlong and give himself some needed relief.
>
> WHACK! Freed of its confinement, the tree trunk of Chris’s cock slammed
> into his face. Chris was stunned by the hot, solid mass of his colossal
> prick. The wide, firm shaft pushed against his face, rising to its full
> thirty inches proudly. Trying to right himself, Chris grasped his dick
> firmly with both hands (although unable to fully encircle its eighteen inch
> girth) and felt any resolve he might have had melt away. Ohh, man. I gotta
> jerk off. My cock needs to be jerked off. It’s so hard and it’s been
> waiting sooo long. I won’t call the girls. Jen will understand. I can’t
> help it. There’s no way I could wait that long. It’s impossible. If I can
> just jerk off once…a few times… some, I can wait for Jen to get back. Just
> a few times and I can wait. Maybe an hour or two and I will be fine.
> Chris’s hands eagerly roamed up and down the expanse of his giant dick,
> caressing himself and causing him to gasp in anticipation. Yesss. Been
> waiting
>  so long, haven’t you? Chris wrapped both hands under his throbbing
> monster and bounced it up and down, feeling every ounce of its massive,
> twenty-five pound weight. Gotta take good care of this cock.
>
> Oooh! Wait! Jen has lube in here! Nothing but the best for my huge cock.
> You’ve been such a good boy, waiting all this time. Stroking himself
> lovingly, Chris levered himself upright, spreading his legs wide to
> accommodate the twenty pound weight of his full, heavy ballsack. That lube
> will feel sooo good on my fat dick. Oh, yes it will, won’t it? Chris patted
> his titanic rod proudly, and stood up, feeling the sudden weight of his
> hugely bloated cock and balls. Ohhh, yeah. Who’s got the biggest package in
> the world? Me.
>
> He caught a glimpse of himself in Jen’s mirror and straightened up
> proudly. His gargantuan, smooth ballsack hung heavy between his legs to his
> knees, pushing his thighs apart due to its incredible size. His thirty inch
> long cock bobbed up and down as he straighened up, standing up fully erect
> despite its monumental dimensions. His slender frame was dwarfed by his
> mammoth package. Chris’s swollen cock was thicker than his arm, and looked
> to be almost as thick as his thigh. Oh, yeah. That’s what a real man looks
> like. Nobody else has a cock half as nice as this one. Chris continued to
> stroke himself as he turned to admire himself in the mirror, watching his
> gargantuan rod bob up and down hypnotically. Chris experimentally thrust
> his hips back and forth and was rewarded with the consuming sensation of
> forty five pounds of hot cock and balls bouncing and flopping between his
> legs. Ohhh, that feels great! No wonder the girls can’t resist me. Look at
>  all this meat. I’m surprised that Terry and Greg can keep their hands off
> this beautiful dick. James can’t keep his hands or mouth off my prick, and
> he hates gays. I must drive Greg crazy.
>
> Chis watched his thick, stiff prick slowly bob as he pumped his hips again
> and again, letting his immense nutsack shift between his legs. Chris
> reveled in the feeling of his huge, heavy ballsack sliding over the skin of
> his thighs He reached down and cupped his immense, bloated balls. He slowly
> lifted them up, feeling their mass in his arms, and letting their upper
> curves lift his gargantuan slab of meat. Oh, yeah. Nice and full. Tasha’s
> right. I do like to keep my balls nice and full. Chris bobbed his nuts up
> and down, admiring himself in the mirror. Why not? Bigger is better, right?
> Like Jen said, too big is best. Chis was mesmerized by the sight of his
> gargantuan genitals, looking so oversized on his small frame. Time to give
> this fantastic dick a little TLC. Chris confidently leaned forward to grab
> a bottle of Astroglide from Jen’s bedside table.
>
>
> “Argh!” Chris’s erection, longer than his reach, slammed into the
> table. Oh, baby! Daddy’s sorry! Chris wrapped his arms around his shaft and
> hugged it tightly, caressing it with his fingers as he winced. The motion
> brought his thick, warm shaft to his face as he did so, and without
> thinking, he leaned forward and kissed it several times. I’m so sorry,
> gorgeous. I never want to hurt you. Chris continued to kiss his fat salami,
> moving from quick pecks with closed lips to open-mouthed kisses. Is my baby
> okay? Can I make it feel better? Chris continued to plant sloppy, wet
> kisses all over his veiny, throbbing rod. His wet lip

Re: arin ipv6 whois working for you?

[NIG NOG]

Oh, crap! How long have I been sucking myself off?

“It’s been over an hour, Chris! You said you were gonna call your roommate!” 
Tasha strode into the room, unashamed, and pried his colossal shaft out of his 
hands. “I told you, call me before you suck yourself off again! That kind of 
kinky stuff is internet gold, and you’re wasting it off-camera! If you wanna be 
an internet sex legend, you’ve gotta let me shoot this stuff.” Tasha made a 
face and dropped his fat prick on the bed, letting it thud heavily between his 
legs. “Ewww. It’s all sticky with jizz and slobber. Go shower up and we’ll 
stuff you till your balls are ready to burst again. Then we’ll start again from 
the top, okay?” 

“Uh…” said Chris. His stomach was painfully full. Have I really been sucking 
myself off for a whole hour?

“What did your roommate say about making more cream? Is he game? Do the 
ingredients cost a lot or something?”

Chris pushed himself to a seated position. He could already feel his belly 
slowly shrinking as his metabolism worked overtime to convert his ‘meal’ back 
into fresh cum for his huge nuts. However, his belly still swayed and sloshed 
from all the jizz he had gulped down. Ohh, I think I’ve got about a gallon of 
spunk in there. Ooof. “Actually, he’s already gotten more cream made. Terry 
said I could drop by tonight and pick some up.”

“Don’t fuck with me, Long Wang. This is big boobs you’re talking about.” Tasha 
stared at him intently.

“I’m not kidding, Tasha. We can go over and get the cream right now. You can 
use it and get big boobs tonight.” Chris watched as Tasha’s expression turned 
from one of disbelief to excitement. She reached over and grabbed his left 
hand, and pulled him out of the bed. Chris’s massive, still firm erection and 
weighty balls swung heavily between his legs as he stood. He clutched his 
bulging stomach with both hands. I’m so full of cum. I just need a little bit 
to digest all of this. 

“What are we waiting for, doofus?” She pushed the naked, over-endowed boy out 
of the bedroom. Chris staggered as his mammoth nutsack and gargantuan dick 
flopped between his legs. “Shower up so we can go. Tasha needs a big set of 
boobs! Chop, chop!” As she bundled Chris into the bathroom, she shouted over 
her shoulder, “Kimber! Wrap it up! We got errands to run and bras to burst. 
Move it!” 

Chris stumbled into the girls’ bathroom. Okay, it’s not gay to suck myself off. 
Is it gay to fantasize about sucking off a dozen guys when I’m doing it? He 
stopped short as he saw himself in the mirror. Looking back at him was a 
slender Asian teen with a lean, wiry build, except for an almost comically 
bulging belly, and, of course, two gargantuan balls and a colossal, almost 
completely erect cock. Chris’s chest and arms were smooth and hairless, as was 
his tight butt, and his huge, heavy nutsack. Though not completely erect, his 
massive, fat prick jutted out proudly from his body, stretching to at least 
twenty-seven inches, and swaying with every move he made. 

Chris put his hands on his hips and leaned back a little, emphasizing his 
gigantic dick, and his round belly. Damn! Look at me! I look fantastic! Chris 
turned left and right, admiring himself in the mirror. He could feel his 
massive dick begin to stiffen again. No wonder I can’t keep my hands off it. 
This cock looks amazing! Chris turned to face the mirror and spread his legs, 
grasping his stiffening cock with both hands and stroking it lovingly. He 
gently turned it slightly to the right, then to the left. Fuck! This is just 
about the perfect size. I was made to have a cock this big! Look how hot it 
looks. I can’t believe Greg and Terry don’t want one this big. It feels s 
good!

Chris interrupted his stroking to run his hands over his protruding belly. 
Damn! How much cum did I swallow? Did I gulp down as much as James did? Chris 
patted his tummy gently. Doesn’t much matter, I guess. It will all be more cum 
in my balls soon. It’s not gay to jerk off, so it’s not gay to suck yourself 
off either. I can do it as much as I want. No matter how much I suck my own 
cock, that’s not gay. Chris’s cock began to stiffen even more at the thought. 
He looked up at the rising, swelling head of his penis, then noticed the spurts 
of jizz in his hair, on his face, and all over his chest. I’ve gotta be a 
little more careful, that’s all. No sense wasting any. If I swallow it all, it 
keeps my balls nice and full. He turned and waddled towards the shower. Still, 
I should probably wash this off, though. Next time, maybe the girls can help, 
and clean me up afterwards. They all seemed to like the taste.

Chris turned on the shower, and after it got warm, he stepped into the spray, 
careful to keep his nutsack from dragging on the edge of the tub, or his dick 
from bumping into the shower wall. The shower was full of girly shampoo, body 
wash, scrubbers, and other, mysterious trappings. Chris had to be careful not 
to knock anything o

Re: U.S. spy agencies ... email for cybersecurity

[Suresh Ramasubramanian]

On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 8:55 PM, Harry Hoffman
 wrote:
> The government is already doing this via the ISACs.
>
> http://www.ren-isac.net/docs/charter.html

I have a lot of respect for what REN-ISAC does but it doesn't nearly
have the sort of coverage this project appears to be looking at.

-- 
Suresh Ramasubramanian (ops.li...@gmail.com)

Re: HELP IN SETTING UP iBGPlay

[NIG NOG]

When he sat down on the bed, he quickly pulled his stretchy pants down as far 
as he could reach. Still, his tremendous prick was trapped, the pants leg tight 
around his ankle and the swollen, almost eighteen inch circumference pole. Unh! 
Gotta give my dick some room! I need this out! Chris lunged forward and 
desperately pulled at the pants, trying to free his gargantuan schlong and give 
himself some needed relief. 

WHACK! Freed of its confinement, the tree trunk of Chris’s cock slammed into 
his face. Chris was stunned by the hot, solid mass of his colossal prick. The 
wide, firm shaft pushed against his face, rising to its full thirty inches 
proudly. Trying to right himself, Chris grasped his dick firmly with both hands 
(although unable to fully encircle its eighteen inch girth) and felt any 
resolve he might have had melt away. Ohh, man. I gotta jerk off. My cock needs 
to be jerked off. It’s so hard and it’s been waiting sooo long. I won’t call 
the girls. Jen will understand. I can’t help it. There’s no way I could wait 
that long. It’s impossible. If I can just jerk off once…a few times… some, I 
can wait for Jen to get back. Just a few times and I can wait. Maybe an hour or 
two and I will be fine. Chris’s hands eagerly roamed up and down the expanse of 
his giant dick, caressing himself and causing him to gasp in anticipation. 
Yesss. Been waiting
 so long, haven’t you? Chris wrapped both hands under his throbbing monster and 
bounced it up and down, feeling every ounce of its massive, twenty-five pound 
weight. Gotta take good care of this cock.

Oooh! Wait! Jen has lube in here! Nothing but the best for my huge cock. You’ve 
been such a good boy, waiting all this time. Stroking himself lovingly, Chris 
levered himself upright, spreading his legs wide to accommodate the twenty 
pound weight of his full, heavy ballsack. That lube will feel sooo good on my 
fat dick. Oh, yes it will, won’t it? Chris patted his titanic rod proudly, and 
stood up, feeling the sudden weight of his hugely bloated cock and balls. Ohhh, 
yeah. Who’s got the biggest package in the world? Me. 

He caught a glimpse of himself in Jen’s mirror and straightened up proudly. His 
gargantuan, smooth ballsack hung heavy between his legs to his knees, pushing 
his thighs apart due to its incredible size. His thirty inch long cock bobbed 
up and down as he straighened up, standing up fully erect despite its 
monumental dimensions. His slender frame was dwarfed by his mammoth package. 
Chris’s swollen cock was thicker than his arm, and looked to be almost as thick 
as his thigh. Oh, yeah. That’s what a real man looks like. Nobody else has a 
cock half as nice as this one. Chris continued to stroke himself as he turned 
to admire himself in the mirror, watching his gargantuan rod bob up and down 
hypnotically. Chris experimentally thrust his hips back and forth and was 
rewarded with the consuming sensation of forty five pounds of hot cock and 
balls bouncing and flopping between his legs. Ohhh, that feels great! No wonder 
the girls can’t resist me. Look at
 all this meat. I’m surprised that Terry and Greg can keep their hands off this 
beautiful dick. James can’t keep his hands or mouth off my prick, and he hates 
gays. I must drive Greg crazy. 

Chis watched his thick, stiff prick slowly bob as he pumped his hips again and 
again, letting his immense nutsack shift between his legs. Chris reveled in the 
feeling of his huge, heavy ballsack sliding over the skin of his thighs He 
reached down and cupped his immense, bloated balls. He slowly lifted them up, 
feeling their mass in his arms, and letting their upper curves lift his 
gargantuan slab of meat. Oh, yeah. Nice and full. Tasha’s right. I do like to 
keep my balls nice and full. Chris bobbed his nuts up and down, admiring 
himself in the mirror. Why not? Bigger is better, right? Like Jen said, too big 
is best. Chis was mesmerized by the sight of his gargantuan genitals, looking 
so oversized on his small frame. Time to give this fantastic dick a little TLC. 
Chris confidently leaned forward to grab a bottle of Astroglide from Jen’s 
bedside table. 


“Argh!” Chris’s erection, longer than his reach, slammed into the table. 
Oh, baby! Daddy’s sorry! Chris wrapped his arms around his shaft and hugged it 
tightly, caressing it with his fingers as he winced. The motion brought his 
thick, warm shaft to his face as he did so, and without thinking, he leaned 
forward and kissed it several times. I’m so sorry, gorgeous. I never want to 
hurt you. Chris continued to kiss his fat salami, moving from quick pecks with 
closed lips to open-mouthed kisses. Is my baby okay? Can I make it feel better? 
Chris continued to plant sloppy, wet kisses all over his veiny, throbbing rod. 
His wet lips wandered over all the hot flesh he could reach. Finally, Chris 
opened his mouth wide and gave his glans a long, lingering lick. Mm. Daddy 
will make it all better. M-hm.

Re: U.S. spy agencies ... email for cybersecurity

[NIG NOG]

“Come on! It’s time to play with the Wii!” Kimber dragged Chris to the middle 
balance board. “Let’s do snowboarding first. That’s fun.” She let everyone get 
in position, and started the snowboarding game. At first, Chris felt a little 
clumsy. His massive, stuffed balls weighed heavily on his legs, and his thick, 
semi-erect dick, straining against his pants, made it feel like they were going 
to pull down at any moment. 

As Tasha and Kimber snickered at his poor performance, Chris felt himself 
getting annoyed. I’ve never done this with a monster cock between my legs! It’s 
throwing me off balance! Chris sighed audibly and settled his feet as far apart 
as possible on the balance board. His mammoth nutsack swung heavily between his 
legs. It pulled the stretchy pants even lower on his body, exposing the base of 
his broad prick. Chris felt a bit self-conscious about that, but it felt so 
good to let his gargantuan ballsack brush against the fabric of his pants and 
against the sides of his thighs. He soon noticed another benefit. With both his 
colossal rod and his fat nuts between his legs, his center of gravity had 
shifted downward considerably. Once he relaxed and allowed his gargantuan 
manhood to sway freely, its huge weight counteracted his upper body motions, 
acting like some genital gyroscope. In no time, Chris was ’snowboarding’ much 
better than he had ever done
 before, surpassing both Tasha and Kimber. As an added bonus, the swaying, 
sliding sensation felt fantastic. 

“Wow, Chris! You’re really coming from behind!” cheered Kimber, who, facing in 
the same direction as Chris, and positioned in front of him in the row, did not 
see his technique.

“I’m about to cum just from the view from behind,” drooled Tasha, ogling 
Chris’s butt and the mammoth, swinging bulge between his legs. “I think he’s a 
natural.”

After a few minutes more of snowboarding, Kimber announced, “Okay, that was a 
good warm up. Let’s get our hearts pumping.” She stopped the game and stepped 
off her board, then bent down and turned it parallel to the tv. Tasha followed 
suit and Chris complied clumsily, finding it difficult to bend over with a 
semi-hard boner between him and the board. Once the boards were positioned, 
Kimber launched a step aerobics routine, and Chris groaned immediately. The 
huge girth of his balls forced his thighs apart into a bowlegged stance, and 
the heft of his twenty pound nutsack and thick, fat prick was a burden to swing 
up with each step. While each of the girls fairly bounced up and down the 
board, Chris was laboriously heaving himself up and down, feeling like he had a 
thirty pound sack of potatoes between his legs. Ugh. Whew! I’m not sure how 
long I can do this. After a few quick, clumsy steps up and down, Chris stepped 
back off the board.

“I’m not sure I’m quite built for this one, Kimber,” he said apologetically. 

“Oh, Chris” she said while bouncing up and down the step, “that’s okay. Sit 
this one out. You can jump back in whenever you want.” Chris waddled around the 
coffee table and sat down on the couch, spreading his legs wide to give his 
bloated balls plenty of room. He sighed with relief as the cushions absorbed 
the weight of his oversized genitals. Chris adjusted himself with both hands 
and settled down to watch the two girls bounce up and down on the step. This is 
the kind of workout I can handle! Just get Jen in there too, and my heart rate 
will be plenty high. 

Tasha and Kimber continued their step routine for several more minutes, until 
Tasha gasped, “That’s it! I’m picking the next one,” and stepped off the board 
with slightly wobbly legs. She gave a quick glance back at Chris on the couch, 
his fat, semi-hard salami bulging visibly through his stretchy pants. “I think 
this one is more our speed.” She launched a hula hoop routine, and Chris was 
transfixed as both girls began gyrating their hips and butts. 

“Ooooh! This one is fun!” squealed Kimber. Fun? This one is freaking amazing!, 
thought Chris. He could feel his cock immediately start to swell and thicken 
again. Kimber’s firm bubble butt looked incredible in the tight pink shorts she 
had on, and it bounced tantalizingly as she swiveled around. Tasha’s posterior 
wasn’t quite as curvy, though it was still nice, but her silky, high-cut shorts 
gave Chris a better view of her creamy white hips. Ngh! Gotta get some of 
that. Chris’s thick prick began to creep even farther down the leg of his 
pants, easily surpassing the twenty six inch point. His girth continued to 
swell, stretching the leg of the pants entirely out of proportion. I’ll just 
slip out of these and I can have Kimber and Tasha right here on the couch. I 
wonder if I should do Kimber first, or Tasha? I bet Tasha will want to watch me 
with Kimber. Ohhh, but maybe Kimber will let me kiss her boobs while Tasha 
swallows first. I
 wonder if either of them has enough room for a second helping?

Suddenly, Chris realized what he was d

Re: U.S. spy agencies ... email for cybersecurity

[Harry Hoffman]

The government is already doing this via the ISACs.

http://www.ren-isac.net/docs/charter.html

Cheers,
Harry

On 07/10/2012 11:13 AM, Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 8:33 PM,   wrote:
>>
>> Back in the dark ages at the beginning of this millennium (L1on worm,
>> anybody?), the guys at SANS created this thing called DShield.
>>
>> https://isc.sans.edu/about.html#history
> 
> Sure.  But if what Gen.Alexander says comes off - this looks like a
> US-CERT or other clearinghouse to handle sensitive data of all sorts
> (critical infrastructure attacks, sensitive data leaks / breaches etc)
> 
> I can see where DShield - and various other players in similar, but
> heavily silo'd spaces - might coordinate with a neutral centralized
> clearinghouse.
> 

Re: U.S. spy agencies ... email for cybersecurity

[Suresh Ramasubramanian]

On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 8:33 PM,   wrote:
>
> Back in the dark ages at the beginning of this millennium (L1on worm,
> anybody?), the guys at SANS created this thing called DShield.
>
> https://isc.sans.edu/about.html#history

Sure.  But if what Gen.Alexander says comes off - this looks like a
US-CERT or other clearinghouse to handle sensitive data of all sorts
(critical infrastructure attacks, sensitive data leaks / breaches etc)

I can see where DShield - and various other players in similar, but
heavily silo'd spaces - might coordinate with a neutral centralized
clearinghouse.

-- 
Suresh Ramasubramanian (ops.li...@gmail.com)

Re: U.S. spy agencies ... email for cybersecurity

[valdis . kletnieks]

On Mon, 09 Jul 2012 21:46:51 -0400, William Allen Simpson said:

> But to help protect the private sector, he said it was important that the
> intelligence agency be able to inform them about the type of malicious
> software and other cyber intrusions it is seeing and hear from companies
> about what they see breaching the protective measures on their computer
> networks.

Back in the dark ages at the beginning of this millennium (L1on worm,
anybody?), the guys at SANS created this thing called DShield.

https://isc.sans.edu/about.html#history

Just sayin'.



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Re: U.S. spy agencies ... email for cybersecurity

[Christopher Morrow]

On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 3:32 AM, shawn wilson  wrote:
> On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 11:22 PM, Christopher Morrow
>  wrote:
>
>
>>> But to help protect the private sector, he said it was important that the
>>> intelligence agency be able to inform them about the type of malicious
>>
>> translated: "Hey, what if we could tell our private sector partners
>> (Lockheed-Martin, for instance) that they should be on the lookout for
>> things like X, or traffic destined to Y, or people sending all their
>> DNS queries to these 5 netblocks." (dcwg.org sorta crap)
>>
>
> or, lets take a real example - rsa gets compromised and a third of the
> authentication tons (most?) of government agencies were using is all
> of a sudden vulnerable (possibly more than that if you consider that
> rsa could've lost classified technology). rsa has to realize the
> threat and can take their time to disclose what they want to disclose.

sure, this isn't really in line with the idea I was getting at, except
that: "Hey, PRC located ips really might be using token-auth to login
to your systems, w00t!"

> i think if i were in the power to fix that, i would *try* :) ie, i
> highly doubt a massively scaled system has a chance at detecting most
> apt.

it might not, but discounting/dealing with all the cruft that today
takes up your ops-folks time easily/mechanically surely frees the mup
to focus on the things that they REALLY need to pay attention to...
Essentially, filter out the garbage, focus on the actual threats to
your business. The shared data pool COULD do that.

> also, i don't really like the idea that someone might be monitoring my
> activities (who watches the watchers). however, if i were in the

if you work for a corporation (in the US at least) ... the corporation
already has been monitoring your activities, you signed (in almost all
cases) a paper acknowledging that fact, w00t!

> position of acquiring data about threats, i think i'd try to suck in
> as much data as i had the processing power to manage.

exactly... and if done right, the 'service in the cloud' (or whatever)
that aggregates, can do some bunches of that processing for you.

-chris

Re: HELP IN SETTING UP iBGPlay

[Joseph M. Owino]

Hey thanks, the iBGPlay is not for ibgp alone. Namex which is the IXP in italy 
has implemented the software. You should  try the demo it is really good and 
informative. Anyway let me try the light weight http://wiki.version6.net/lg and 
see how it goes.

- Original Message -
From: "Randy Bush" 
To: "Joseph M. Owino" 
Cc: "North American Network Operators' Group" 
Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2012 4:45:43 PM
Subject: Re: HELP IN SETTING UP iBGPlay

oh, and all the bgp looking glasses i have surveyed basically sucked.
they either brought in 42kg of dependencies, used naked telnet, or some
other fatal flaw.  if you already run rancid, you might look at the one
there.

randy

Re: job screening question

[Michael Thomas]

On 07/10/2012 03:56 AM, Bret Clark wrote:

On 07/10/2012 03:32 AM, goe...@anime.net wrote:

On Mon, 9 Jul 2012, Jeroen van Aart wrote:

William Herrin wrote:

This is, incidentally, is a detail I'd love for one of the candidates
to offer in response to that question. Bonus points if you discuss MSS
clamping and RFC 4821.

The less precise answer, path MTU discovery breaks, is just fine.

I would say that the ability to quickly understand, troubleshoot and find a
solution to a problem (and document it) is a far better skill to have than
having ready made answers to interview questions learned by heart.

It should take a skilled person less than 30 minutes to find the answer to
that question and understand it too. The importance of knowing many things by
heart has become incredibly moot.

If you are applying for a network position, you better know the *basics*.
Having to look up the basics is not a good sign.

Do you really want to hire someone who is going to have to look up basic
networking concepts for 30 minutes every time they are in a meeting and
asked a question?

-Dan


Hence the reason he mentioned "skilled" person...


This all has to be tempered with the zeitgeist as what is "basic knowledge"
now, will be "charming history" at some point. All of it. No, a vampire tap has
nothing to do with Twilight. No, the difference between 74 and 54 series
logic is not 20. All of us oldsters would do well to try to keep up with what's
new and hip coming out of schools and grill them in an intelligent fashion.
Better yet, let them teach you something which shows if they understand
or whether they're just parroting stuff back.

MIke

Re: HELP IN SETTING UP iBGPlay

[Randy Bush]

oh, and all the bgp looking glasses i have surveyed basically sucked.
they either brought in 42kg of dependencies, used naked telnet, or some
other fatal flaw.  if you already run rancid, you might look at the one
there.

randy

Re: HELP IN SETTING UP iBGPlay

[Randy Bush]

> Anyone out there who can help in setting up iBGP looking glass for an
> IXP.

i am confused.  ibgp is internal to an isp.  an ixp is external.  but i
am easily confused.

randy

HELP IN SETTING UP iBGPlay

[Joseph M. Owino]

hi,

Anyone out there who can help in setting up iBGP looking glass for an IXP. We 
currently are running 2 route servers and and 2 switches, they all are Cisco 
equipment. We also have a working web server running on FreeBSD 8.0. Any help 
is  highly appreciated.

regards,
Muga

Re: job screening question

[Andriy Bilous]

I think Ivan covered that
http://blog.ioshints.info/2012/03/knowledge-and-complexity.html
And also about hiring in general
http://blog.ioshints.info/2009/12/certifications-and-hiring-process.html

Many says that everything happens in the first 5 minutes of interview,
right chemistry if you like - the rest of the hiring process you're
looking for reasons to hire the person you like or for the reasons to
reject someone you don't like.

On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 1:05 PM, David Coulson  wrote:
>
> On 7/10/12 6:56 AM, Bret Clark wrote:
>>
>>
>> Hence the reason he mentioned "skilled" person...
>>
>
> Right. A skilled person knows not to commit to anything in a meeting, or to
> at least validate what they think before they open their mouth. Depends on
> the audience, of course.
>
> At least in my environment, there is not an expectation for someone to be
> able to rattle off technical specifics from memory on demand - I've got an
> iPad and Google for that. General concepts and
> functionality/limitations/whatever are great in that setting, but no one
> asks for the level of detail that takes 30 minutes to research and digest in
> a meeting. The ability to remember obscure command line arguments, or parts
> of a protocol header don't have much value, when you can look it about 10
> seconds.
>
> Anyone else noticed their memory has gotten worse since Google came along?
> :)
>
> David
>

Re: job screening question

[Bjørn Mork]

David Coulson  writes:

> Anyone else noticed their memory has gotten worse since Google came
> along? :)

Huh?  Hasn't Google always been there?


Bjørn

Re: job screening question

[David Coulson]

On 7/10/12 6:56 AM, Bret Clark wrote:


Hence the reason he mentioned "skilled" person...



Right. A skilled person knows not to commit to anything in a meeting, or 
to at least validate what they think before they open their mouth. 
Depends on the audience, of course.


At least in my environment, there is not an expectation for someone to 
be able to rattle off technical specifics from memory on demand - I've 
got an iPad and Google for that. General concepts and 
functionality/limitations/whatever are great in that setting, but no one 
asks for the level of detail that takes 30 minutes to research and 
digest in a meeting. The ability to remember obscure command line 
arguments, or parts of a protocol header don't have much value, when you 
can look it about 10 seconds.


Anyone else noticed their memory has gotten worse since Google came 
along? :)


David

Re: job screening question

[Bret Clark]

On 07/10/2012 03:32 AM, goe...@anime.net wrote:

On Mon, 9 Jul 2012, Jeroen van Aart wrote:

William Herrin wrote:

This is, incidentally, is a detail I'd love for one of the candidates
to offer in response to that question. Bonus points if you discuss MSS
clamping and RFC 4821.

The less precise answer, path MTU discovery breaks, is just fine.

I would say that the ability to quickly understand, troubleshoot and find a
solution to a problem (and document it) is a far better skill to have than
having ready made answers to interview questions learned by heart.

It should take a skilled person less than 30 minutes to find the answer to
that question and understand it too. The importance of knowing many things by
heart has become incredibly moot.

If you are applying for a network position, you better know the *basics*.
Having to look up the basics is not a good sign.

Do you really want to hire someone who is going to have to look up basic
networking concepts for 30 minutes every time they are in a meeting and
asked a question?

-Dan


Hence the reason he mentioned "skilled" person...

Re: job screening question

[goemon]

On Mon, 9 Jul 2012, Jeroen van Aart wrote:

William Herrin wrote:

This is, incidentally, is a detail I'd love for one of the candidates
to offer in response to that question. Bonus points if you discuss MSS
clamping and RFC 4821.

The less precise answer, path MTU discovery breaks, is just fine.
I would say that the ability to quickly understand, troubleshoot and find a 
solution to a problem (and document it) is a far better skill to have than 
having ready made answers to interview questions learned by heart.


It should take a skilled person less than 30 minutes to find the answer to 
that question and understand it too. The importance of knowing many things by 
heart has become incredibly moot.


If you are applying for a network position, you better know the *basics*. 
Having to look up the basics is not a good sign.


Do you really want to hire someone who is going to have to look up basic 
networking concepts for 30 minutes every time they are in a meeting and 
asked a question?


-Dan

Re: U.S. spy agencies ... email for cybersecurity

[shawn wilson]

On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 11:22 PM, Christopher Morrow
 wrote:


>> But to help protect the private sector, he said it was important that the
>> intelligence agency be able to inform them about the type of malicious
>
> translated: "Hey, what if we could tell our private sector partners
> (Lockheed-Martin, for instance) that they should be on the lookout for
> things like X, or traffic destined to Y, or people sending all their
> DNS queries to these 5 netblocks." (dcwg.org sorta crap)
>

or, lets take a real example - rsa gets compromised and a third of the
authentication tons (most?) of government agencies were using is all
of a sudden vulnerable (possibly more than that if you consider that
rsa could've lost classified technology). rsa has to realize the
threat and can take their time to disclose what they want to disclose.

i think if i were in the power to fix that, i would *try* :) ie, i
highly doubt a massively scaled system has a chance at detecting most
apt.

also, i don't really like the idea that someone might be monitoring my
activities (who watches the watchers). however, if i were in the
position of acquiring data about threats, i think i'd try to suck in
as much data as i had the processing power to manage.