RE: Need recommendation on an affordable internet edge router

[James Braunegg]

Dear All



I would add the Brocade MLXe-4/8/16 (Soon to be Extreme) to the list depending 
how many ports you need.



The 20 x 10G X2 line cards support up to 2 million routes, well worth looking 
at.



Kindest Regards,



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-Original Message-
From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Dragan Jovicic
Sent: Friday, 5 May 2017 8:20 AM
To: Saku Ytti 
Cc: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Re: Need recommendation on an affordable internet edge router



Hi,





> But you probably should review at least:

>   - Juniper MX204, MX480

>   - Cisco ASR9k

>   - Huawei NE20, NE40

>   - Alcatel 7750SR

>



Having all of these somewhere in our network, and my heart being with JNPR 
boxes, I'll say have a look at Huawei offerings.



+Dragan



On Fri, May 5, 2017 at 12:10 AM, Saku Ytti mailto:s...@ytti.fi>> 
wrote:



> On 5 May 2017 at 01:04, c b 
> mailto:bz_siege...@hotmail.com>> wrote:

>

> Hey,

>

> > The ASR9k is certainly up to the task and it's one of the few we

> > looked

> at

> > initially, but the pricing is nowhere near commodity even if we got

> > a minimal build.

>

> What is commodity? Where are you comparing it to which satisfies your

> requirements?

>

> > As far as volume, the initial purchase for this round of budget will

> > be

> an

> > HA pair. If the solution works well, we have potential to replace 12

> > or

> so

> > throughout FY17, maybe into FY18.

>

> Yeah sales droids likely won't be interested in 2 at all. But if you

> commit on those 12, even if you'll order them separately. I think

> that's something sales droid will care about, and you'll have

> negotiation leverage as you can keep bouncing between several vendors

> seeing who gets your business.

> You should really expect at least 70% discount on 12 units, 80% would

> be good. Under 70% would be walk out the room.

>

> --

>   ++ytti

>

Re: SD-WAN for enlightened

[Colton Conor]

What I don't understand is how do all these newer, SD-WAN vendors, differ
from any of the managed FireWall companies that have nice pretty GUI's and
web management? For example, Sophos, Meraki, Fortinet, and the other large
firewall vendors that do dual wan, virus filtering, remote management, etc?



On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 1:19 PM, Stefan  wrote:

> As of this announcement:
>
> http://investor.cisco.com/investor-relations/news-and-
> events/news/news-details/2017/Cisco-Announces-Intent-to-
> Acquire-Viptela/default.aspx
>
> there will be one less than before :-)
>
> Seriously - when I first learned about them, upon service inclusion of the
> Viptela products into the VzB SD-WAN offering, they (Viptela -
> http://blog.ipspace.net/2014/11/viptela-sen-hybrid-wan-connectivity.html)
> looked very nice, already, as standalone products. And that was a few years
> back.
>
> ***Stefan
>
> On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 12:44 PM, Doug Marschke 
> wrote:
>
>> Too many to list.  I don’t know who is “winning” in market share right
>> now, as I am sure each vendor tracks their wins differently.
>>
>> There are definitely a few making more noise than others.
>>
>> Doug Marschke
>>
>> CTO
>>
>>   www.sdnessentials.com
>>
>> JNCIE-SP #41, JNCIE-ENT #3
>>
>> 415-902-5702 (cell)
>>
>> 415-340-3112 (office)
>>
>>
>>
>> From: Colton Conor [mailto:colton.co...@gmail.com]
>> Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2017 6:26 PM
>> To: Doug Marschke 
>> Cc: Kasper Adel ; NANOG list 
>> Subject: Re: SD-WAN for enlightened
>>
>>
>>
>> So who are the big SD-WAN players out there?
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 17, 2017 at 10:31 AM, Doug Marschke >  > wrote:
>>
>> Hello Kasper,
>>
>> I will do my best to answer your SD-WAN question, but as you mentioned it
>> is a buzzword that has a bit of confusion in its definitions.  I would say
>> that a SD-WAN solution should have the following elements:
>>
>> 1.) Ability to manage multiple WAN connection and choose the path based
>> on user and machine criteria (The Hybrid WAN)
>> 2.) A controller to manage the polices and operations of the SD-WAN
>> devices
>> 3.) Analytics on the network and application level
>> 4.) A software overlay that abstracts and secures the underlying networks
>>
>> Currently there are a lot of solutions out there by many vendors.  Some
>> do all of these and some a subset, so it make the landscape a bit
>> confusing.   Lots of times vendors use SD-WAN when they are really just
>> talking about Hybrid WAN (multiple connections) or WAN optimization.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Doug Marschke
>> CTO
>> www.sdnessentials.com 
>> JNCIE-SP #41, JNCIE-ENT #3
>> 415-902-5702   (cell)
>> 415-340-3112   (office)
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org > nanog-boun...@nanog.org> ] On Behalf Of Kasper Adel
>> Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2017 1:14 PM
>> To: NANOG list mailto:nanog@nanog.org> >
>> Subject: SD-WAN for enlightened
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I'm not sure if the buzzword SD-WAN is used to compensate for another
>> buzzword that got over-utilized (SDN) or it is a true 'new and improved'
>> way of doing things that has some innovation into it.
>>
>> I heard different explanation from different vendors:
>>
>> 1) appliances (+ controller) placed in-line to put traffic in tunnels
>> based on policy, with some DPI and traffic tagging...(to do
>> performance/policy based routing) over an expensive link (MPLS) and a cheap
>> one (broadband) with some 'firewall-like' filtering capabilities.
>> 2) same as above, with a flavor of 'machine learning' to find a pattern
>> for traffic to optimize utilization.
>> 3) a controller that instantiates and tears down tunnels from 'classic
>> routers' based on external policies and Network based features to do
>> performance based routing over an expensive link (MPLS) and a cheap one
>> (broadband) with encryption.
>>
>> Is the above a decent high-level summary?
>>
>> Has anyone tried any of these solutions, any general feedback ?
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Kim
>>
>>
>>
>>
>

Socal Frontier static IP cutover? (+OT fee bitch)

[Paul B. Henson]

I was wondering if anybody has been contacted yet about cutting over
their static IP addresses for Frontier business FIOS? Last year my
understanding was that they were lent Verizon IP space for one year and
everyone needed to be cutover by 4/2017; here it is 5/2017 and I've
still heard nothing of it. Did they end up permanently aquiring the IP
space from Verizon? Did the cutover get pushed back? I tried calling
customer service and didn't really get an answer.

On another Frontier note, I got a paper bill recently, which was
surprising as I've been on paperless billing forever. I noticed this gem
on the bill, which is presumably why it warranted being sent physically:
"Effective May 15, 2017, a Business High Speed Internet Fee of $1.99
will be added to your bill."

Fucking sleezy telcos. It's the only industry that can get away with
basically charging you a fee for the privilege of providing you the
service you're already paying them for 8-/. Could you imagine going to
McDonalds and paying $1.99 for your happy meal + a $.50 Fast Food
Service Fee? Getting your house painted for $500 + a $75 Paintbrush
Bristle Motion Fee?

I called to ask about it and the excuse was that it's to cover
"maintainance of the network". Really? So what's the other $130 a month
I'm already paying you guys cover? Raise you prices if you got to raise
your prices to cover costs, but again, telcos are pretty much the only
industry that tags on random extra "fees" to cover basic costs of doing
business. Meh, maybe it's time to see how comparatively evil the cable
company is nowadays .

Maybe if that $1.99 a month would actually result in IPv6 this decade...