Re: Reviews - GTT, NTT and Telia

[Ramy Hashish]

Thank you so much Edward for your elaborate review.

I would like to read more reviews, we are going to consolidate many smaller
circuits in two 10Gs, it would be great if we can learn the experience the
easy way :)

Ramy

On Aug 7, 2017 17:16, "Edward Dore" 
wrote:


Hi Ramy,

We use both GTT and NTT for IP transit in the UK. The NTT NOC is absolutely
excellent and I wouldn’t hesitate to recommend them. We had serious service
delivery problems with GTT which dragged on for months, but once they
finally managed to provision the service it has been perfectly reliable and
their NOC seemed OK on the few occasions that we’ve needed to deal with
them.

Edward Dore
Freethought Internet

Re: Microsoft peering - no response

[Christian Kuhtz via NANOG]

Thanks everyone. Problem was on our end and has been fixed.

Thanks,
Christian


From: Kaiser, Erich
Sent: Sunday, August 6, 2:43 PM
Subject: Microsoft peering - no response
To: NANOG list


We have been trying to complete our peering with Microsoft at Equinix Ashburn 
for over a month, keep getting the run-around, all we need is for someone to 
complete the sessions on their end. Hopefully this will get to someone that can 
do that. We are peered at several other IX locations across the US already. Our 
ASN is 19754. Our side is already complete. Just sent another email to 
peering_at_microsoft and got an undeliverable email response. Sincerely, Erich 
Kaiser The Fusion Network er...@gotfusion.net

Re: Reviews - GTT, NTT and Telia

[Edward Dore]

On 07/08/2017, 14:31, "NANOG on behalf of Ramy Hashish" 
 wrote:

Good day all,

If you are going to have two 10G "multiservice" ports in Europe, over which
you will run IPT, EVPL (point-to-point switched Ethernet) and IP MPLS VPNs,
and you are about to choose between GTT, NTT and Telia, which one will you
choose as per your previous experience?

Or please share your experience with any of their support, general or
specific content quality of experience, overall performance or service
delivery.

Thanks in advance.

Ramy Hashish

Hi Ramy,

We use both GTT and NTT for IP transit in the UK. The NTT NOC is absolutely 
excellent and I wouldn’t hesitate to recommend them. We had serious service 
delivery problems with GTT which dragged on for months, but once they finally 
managed to provision the service it has been perfectly reliable and their NOC 
seemed OK on the few occasions that we’ve needed to deal with them.

Edward Dore 
Freethought Internet 

Re: Bell outage

[Rod Beck]

Yeah, I am one of the sales guys for this project across Lake Ontario. It is 
called Crosslake.


- R.



From: Tom Beecher 
Sent: Monday, August 7, 2017 4:59 PM
To: Rod Beck
Cc: Jason Lixfeld; nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Re: Bell outage

( Buffalo resident here.)

That's pretty much true. From Toronto down around the lake, most of the fiber 
paths follow the QEW, although I think I saw a map once that had some down the 
406. The challenge then becomes the Niagara River. There are only really 3 good 
points north of Niagara Falls to cross the gorge, the Rainbow / Whirlpool 
Rapids / Lewiston-Queenston. (There is an old train bridge just south of 
Whirlpool Rapids, but it's pretty decrepit.) Even then, L/Q is the only option 
that's generally feasible to reach, and has any decent infrastructure on the US 
side.

To my knowledge, most everything goes south to the Peace Bridge . into Buffalo 
proper, and over to 350 Main Street. Just about everyone in this region comes 
through there, except for Level3. (They're close, down on Scott Street, and 
just stub up to Main. But even they don't actually have a gateway there, they 
still pull people back to NY/Cleveland.)

I know there is a group trying to do a cable directly across Lake Ontario to my 
neck of the woods, which would be really interesting if it happens. You could 
save potentially 60k-ish with a direct path vs coming around and down, and 
there's a surprisingly decent volume of in-region glass in the ground on 
different paths. Plus much of the area north of Buffalo to the lake is rural 
farmland, so building something new wouldn't be terribly hard or expensive 
either.

Crossing the lake itself is a challenge though. Lake Ontario is really deep, 
and there are steep underwater cliffs off the mouth of the Niagara River (~50m 
drop over less than 1km) , and again on the eastern side of Toronto. If they 
can work around that to get something run, I think it could be a very 
intriguing path. I'm a little biased because I think it could be a great boon 
for my area ; putting datacenter space in around here is basically free 
compared to space up there, and you'd be <5ms from Toronto, and ~10ms from NYC.

On Fri, Aug 4, 2017 at 6:13 PM, Rod Beck 
mailto:rod.b...@unitedcablecompany.com>> wrote:
I am pretty sure most of the fiber runs counterclockwise from Toronto to 
Buffalo. Just a fact.


- R.



From: Jason Lixfeld mailto:ja...@lixfeld.ca>>
Sent: Friday, August 4, 2017 11:48 PM
To: Rod Beck
Cc: nanog@nanog.org; 
aheb...@pubnix.net
Subject: Re: Bell outage

I think having a lake right in the middle makes a really nice, natural, diverse 
route between the two locations, as is the case with the many routes running 
east and west around the lake out of both 151 Front and 350 Main.  It’s great 
for non latency sensitive traffic if your short path fails, but it sucks for 
latency sensitive traffic if your short path fails.

What’s the solution in that case if you need geo diverse, low latency routes 
between two longish haul points that can only be connected by one major highway 
and one major railway, and where there’s a large likelihood that the even a 
single route would have to use both those pathways?  I’m sure it's trivial to 
get geo diverse routes out of any major carrier hotel, but what about the in 
between bits?

> On Aug 4, 2017, at 4:54 PM, Rod Beck 
> mailto:rod.b...@unitedcablecompany.com>> 
> wrote:
>
> Well, imagine what happens when you have a body of water like Lake Ontario 
> separating the key hubs on each side of the border, 151 Front Street and 350 
> Main Street. The fiber is probably stacked parallel around the lake and at 
> certain points is collapsed into one right of way.
>
>
> - R.
>
>
> 
> From: NANOG mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org>> on 
> behalf of Alain Hebert mailto:aheb...@pubnix.net>>
> Sent: Friday, August 4, 2017 10:34 PM
> To: nanog@nanog.org
> Subject: Re: Bell outage
>
> Well,
>
> We have a case where 2 paths, between 151 front to somewhere in
> Markham, ended up overlapping 3 times for about 300m total :(
>
> And to cap the whole thing off...  Enter the building thru the same
> conduit.
>
> You pretty much need to be onsite supervising the whole thing up.
>
> And yes their files have the circuits going thru a home, what looks
> like a gas station, an electrical grids, etc =D.  Pretty impressive.
>
> PS: As rodent, you mean the punks that fire bomb "that" conduit
> under "that" bridge, a few years back?
>
> -
> Alain Hebert
> aheb...@pubnix.net
> PubNIX Inc.
> 50 boul. St-Charles
> P.O. Box 26770 Beaconsfield, Quebec H9W 6G7
> Tel: 514-990-5911  http://www.pubnix.netFax: 
> 514-990-9443
PubNIX Inc. – Branché sur le monde – Connected to the 
World

Re: Bell outage

[Tom Beecher]

( Buffalo resident here.)

That's pretty much true. From Toronto down around the lake, most of the
fiber paths follow the QEW, although I think I saw a map once that had some
down the 406. The challenge then becomes the Niagara River. There are only
really 3 good points north of Niagara Falls to cross the gorge, the Rainbow
/ Whirlpool Rapids / Lewiston-Queenston. (There is an old train bridge just
south of Whirlpool Rapids, but it's pretty decrepit.) Even then, L/Q is the
only option that's generally feasible to reach, and has any decent
infrastructure on the US side.

To my knowledge, most everything goes south to the Peace Bridge . into
Buffalo proper, and over to 350 Main Street. Just about everyone in this
region comes through there, except for Level3. (They're close, down on
Scott Street, and just stub up to Main. But even they don't actually have a
gateway there, they still pull people back to NY/Cleveland.)

I know there is a group trying to do a cable directly across Lake Ontario
to my neck of the woods, which would be really interesting if it happens.
You could save potentially 60k-ish with a direct path vs coming around and
down, and there's a surprisingly decent volume of in-region glass in the
ground on different paths. Plus much of the area north of Buffalo to the
lake is rural farmland, so building something new wouldn't be terribly hard
or expensive either.

Crossing the lake itself is a challenge though. Lake Ontario is really
deep, and there are steep underwater cliffs off the mouth of the Niagara
River (~50m drop over less than 1km) , and again on the eastern side of
Toronto. If they can work around that to get something run, I think it
could be a very intriguing path. I'm a little biased because I think it
could be a great boon for my area ; putting datacenter space in around here
is basically free compared to space up there, and you'd be <5ms from
Toronto, and ~10ms from NYC.

On Fri, Aug 4, 2017 at 6:13 PM, Rod Beck 
wrote:

> I am pretty sure most of the fiber runs counterclockwise from Toronto to
> Buffalo. Just a fact.
>
>
> - R.
>
>
> 
> From: Jason Lixfeld 
> Sent: Friday, August 4, 2017 11:48 PM
> To: Rod Beck
> Cc: nanog@nanog.org; aheb...@pubnix.net
> Subject: Re: Bell outage
>
> I think having a lake right in the middle makes a really nice, natural,
> diverse route between the two locations, as is the case with the many
> routes running east and west around the lake out of both 151 Front and 350
> Main.  It’s great for non latency sensitive traffic if your short path
> fails, but it sucks for latency sensitive traffic if your short path fails.
>
> What’s the solution in that case if you need geo diverse, low latency
> routes between two longish haul points that can only be connected by one
> major highway and one major railway, and where there’s a large likelihood
> that the even a single route would have to use both those pathways?  I’m
> sure it's trivial to get geo diverse routes out of any major carrier hotel,
> but what about the in between bits?
>
> > On Aug 4, 2017, at 4:54 PM, Rod Beck 
> wrote:
> >
> > Well, imagine what happens when you have a body of water like Lake
> Ontario separating the key hubs on each side of the border, 151 Front
> Street and 350 Main Street. The fiber is probably stacked parallel around
> the lake and at certain points is collapsed into one right of way.
> >
> >
> > - R.
> >
> >
> > 
> > From: NANOG  on behalf of Alain Hebert <
> aheb...@pubnix.net>
> > Sent: Friday, August 4, 2017 10:34 PM
> > To: nanog@nanog.org
> > Subject: Re: Bell outage
> >
> > Well,
> >
> > We have a case where 2 paths, between 151 front to somewhere in
> > Markham, ended up overlapping 3 times for about 300m total :(
> >
> > And to cap the whole thing off...  Enter the building thru the same
> > conduit.
> >
> > You pretty much need to be onsite supervising the whole thing up.
> >
> > And yes their files have the circuits going thru a home, what looks
> > like a gas station, an electrical grids, etc =D.  Pretty impressive.
> >
> > PS: As rodent, you mean the punks that fire bomb "that" conduit
> > under "that" bridge, a few years back?
> >
> > -
> > Alain Hebertaheb...@pubnix.net
> > PubNIX Inc.
> > 50 boul. St-Charles
> > P.O. Box 26770 Beaconsfield, Quebec H9W 6G7
> > Tel: 514-990-5911  http://www.pubnix.netFax: 514-990-9443
> PubNIX Inc. – Branché sur le monde – Connected to the World<
> http://www.pubnix.net/>
> www.pubnix.net
> PubNIX is a boutique Internet service provider with personalized service
> that offers you an alternative to "Big Telco". At PubNIX, we are committed
> to providing you ...
>
>
> > PubNIX Inc. – Branché sur le monde – Connected to the World<
> http://www.pubnix.net/>
> PubNIX Inc. – Branché sur le monde – Connected to the World<
> http://www.pubnix.net/>
> www.pubnix.net
> PubNIX is a boutique Internet s

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Reviews - GTT, NTT and Telia

[Ramy Hashish]

Good day all,

If you are going to have two 10G "multiservice" ports in Europe, over which
you will run IPT, EVPL (point-to-point switched Ethernet) and IP MPLS VPNs,
and you are about to choose between GTT, NTT and Telia, which one will you
choose as per your previous experience?

Or please share your experience with any of their support, general or
specific content quality of experience, overall performance or service
delivery.

Thanks in advance.

Ramy Hashish