Re: Half Fibre Pair

[Ask Bjørn Hansen]

> On Jan 26, 2021, at 12:51, Rod Beck  wrote:
> 
> Can someone explain to me what is a half fibre pair? I took it literally to 
> mean a single fibre strand but someone insisted it was a large quantity of 
> spectrum. Please illuminate. On or off list as you please. 

Depending on the context it could be a single fibre strand for use with 
bi-directional transceivers.

I am guessing it’s not commonly used though, just based on nobody suggesting 
this.


Ask

Re: Half Fibre Pair

[Matthew Petach]

You can see the terminology getting referenced in articles such as this one
from Telegeography:

https://www.submarinenetworks.com/en/insights/a-new-coming-for-submarine-cable-systems-the-independent-infrastructure-developers

"Further PLCN incorporates Spectrum Manager, that allows the C+L band to be
sliced into blocks of spectrum that can be independently assigned to
separate SLTE that is owned, operated and upgraded by the party leasing the
spectrum. PLCN has productized it in terms of Minimum Spectrum Unit (MSU)
which is 5% of the total C+L band capacity i.e. 5% of 240x100G or 1.2 Tbps.
It’s extended further as virtual fiber pair with Quarter Fiber Pair as
5xMSU or 6 Tbps and Half Fiber Pair as 10xMSU or 12 Tbps. This notably is
not unique to PLCN and is supported by most [of] the cable systems designed
post 2015 or supported with upgrades."





On Tue, Jan 26, 2021 at 2:49 PM Rod Beck 
wrote:

> Actually it is standard language in the undersea cable world for a large
> spectrum purchase. Sometimes a fiber pair on a system may be too much, but
> the buyer still wants many terabits of capacity. "
>
> The Half Fiber Pair is the same as 10*MSUs in a virtual fiber pair, either
> in C-band or L-band. I believe these are primarily used in transocean
> routes."
>
>
> This is what I have learned so far.
>
>
> Now that deep sea cables are being deployed with as many as 24 pairs,
> there will be more players doing fractional purchases.
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> *From:* William Herrin 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 26, 2021 10:56 PM
> *To:* Rod Beck 
> *Cc:* nanog@nanog.org 
> *Subject:* Re: Half Fibre Pair
>
> On Tue, Jan 26, 2021 at 12:52 PM Rod Beck
>  wrote:
> > Can someone explain to me what is a half fibre pair? I took it
> > literally to mean a single fibre strand but someone insisted it
> > was a large quantity of spectrum. Please illuminate.
>
>
> Maybe it's like half a pair of glasses, the perfect accessory for the
> one-eyed man who's king.
>
> Seriously though, it sounds like a bad language construction. If a
> vendor is offering you that, I'd ask for clarification. Are they
> leasing a dedicated strand of fiber end-to-end? Dedicated wavelength
> directions delivered by fiber? Something else?
>
> If you're thinking of offering it, find better words.
>
> Regards,
> Bill Herrin
>

Re: Half Fibre Pair

[Rod Beck]

Actually it is standard language in the undersea cable world for a large 
spectrum purchase. Sometimes a fiber pair on a system may be too much, but the 
buyer still wants many terabits of capacity. "

The Half Fiber Pair is the same as 10*MSUs in a virtual fiber pair, either in 
C-band or L-band. I believe these are primarily used in transocean routes."


This is what I have learned so far.


Now that deep sea cables are being deployed with as many as 24 pairs, there 
will be more players doing fractional purchases.





From: William Herrin 
Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2021 10:56 PM
To: Rod Beck 
Cc: nanog@nanog.org 
Subject: Re: Half Fibre Pair

On Tue, Jan 26, 2021 at 12:52 PM Rod Beck
 wrote:
> Can someone explain to me what is a half fibre pair? I took it
> literally to mean a single fibre strand but someone insisted it
> was a large quantity of spectrum. Please illuminate.


Maybe it's like half a pair of glasses, the perfect accessory for the
one-eyed man who's king.

Seriously though, it sounds like a bad language construction. If a
vendor is offering you that, I'd ask for clarification. Are they
leasing a dedicated strand of fiber end-to-end? Dedicated wavelength
directions delivered by fiber? Something else?

If you're thinking of offering it, find better words.

Regards,
Bill Herrin

Re: Half Fibre Pair

[Patrick W. Gilmore]

Back in the day, there were these things called half-circuits or half-cables.

Telephone companies in different countries would “share” a cable under the 
ocean, where the company in each country would own “half” the cable - i.e. from 
their shore to the middle of the ocean.

I have no idea what the context here is, but ….

-- 
TTFN,
patrick

> On Jan 26, 2021, at 5:02 PM, Ben Cannon  wrote:
> 
> I’d internet that to be a really weird way to describe a single strand as 
> well, but I could see a confused person asserting it’s 44 out of 88 
> wavelengths? I’ve never heard that.
> 
> Ms. Lady Benjamin PD Cannon, ASCE
> 6x7 Networks & 6x7 Telecom, LLC 
> CEO 
> b...@6by7.net 
> "The only fully end-to-end encrypted global telecommunications company in the 
> world.”
> 
> FCC License KJ6FJJ
> 
> Sent from my iPhone via RFC1149.
> 
>> On Jan 26, 2021, at 12:51 PM, Rod Beck  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Can someone explain to me what is a half fibre pair? I took it literally to 
>> mean a single fibre strand but someone insisted it was a large quantity of 
>> spectrum. Please illuminate. On or off list as you please. 
>> 
>> Regards, 
>> 
>> Roderick. 
>> 
>> Roderick Beck
>> VP of Business Development
>> United Cable Company
>> www.unitedcablecompany.com 
>> New York City & Budapest
>> rod.b...@unitedcablecompany.com
>> Budapest: 36-70-605-5144
>> NJ: 908-452-8183 
>> 
>> 

Re: Half Fibre Pair

[Ben Cannon]

I’d internet that to be a really weird way to describe a single strand as well, 
but I could see a confused person asserting it’s 44 out of 88 wavelengths? I’ve 
never heard that.

Ms. Lady Benjamin PD Cannon, ASCE
6x7 Networks & 6x7 Telecom, LLC 
CEO 
b...@6by7.net
"The only fully end-to-end encrypted global telecommunications company in the 
world.”

FCC License KJ6FJJ

Sent from my iPhone via RFC1149.

> On Jan 26, 2021, at 12:51 PM, Rod Beck  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> Can someone explain to me what is a half fibre pair? I took it literally to 
> mean a single fibre strand but someone insisted it was a large quantity of 
> spectrum. Please illuminate. On or off list as you please. 
> 
> Regards, 
> 
> Roderick. 
> 
> Roderick Beck
> VP of Business Development
> United Cable Company
> www.unitedcablecompany.com
> New York City & Budapest
> rod.b...@unitedcablecompany.com
> Budapest: 36-70-605-5144
> NJ: 908-452-8183 
> 
> 

Re: Half Fibre Pair

[William Herrin]

On Tue, Jan 26, 2021 at 12:52 PM Rod Beck
 wrote:
> Can someone explain to me what is a half fibre pair? I took it
> literally to mean a single fibre strand but someone insisted it
> was a large quantity of spectrum. Please illuminate.


Maybe it's like half a pair of glasses, the perfect accessory for the
one-eyed man who's king.

Seriously though, it sounds like a bad language construction. If a
vendor is offering you that, I'd ask for clarification. Are they
leasing a dedicated strand of fiber end-to-end? Dedicated wavelength
directions delivered by fiber? Something else?

If you're thinking of offering it, find better words.

Regards,
Bill Herrin

Re: Verizon DC/NOVA Issues?

[Jeremy Knapp]

Is this affecting email servers? We have started to see sporadic failures
to yahoo and aol with messages tied to
https://postmaster.verizonmedia.com/error-codes

On Tue, Jan 26, 2021 at 12:03 PM Andy Ringsmuth  wrote:

> Axios is reporting:
>
> What's happening: The widespread issues are unrelated to a FiOS fiber
> internet cable getting cut in Brooklyn, contrary to reports circulating
> widely on social media linking the two, a Verizon spokesperson said.
>
>
> https://www.axios.com/east-coast-internet-outages-494451f9-73bb-4025-9730-36ab5a6ad5d6.html
>
> 
> Andy Ringsmuth
> 5609 Harding Drive
> Lincoln, NE 68521-5831
> (402) 304-0083
> a...@andyring.com
>
> “Better even die free, than to live slaves.” - Frederick Douglas, 1863
>
> > On Jan 26, 2021, at 11:23 AM, Andrew Schaefer 
> wrote:
> >
> > Yes, Verizon FiOS is having major issues in Philadelphia getting to
> Amazon and Google networks, among others. Starting around 11:30 AM Eastern.
> >
> > On Tue, Jan 26, 2021 at 12:15 PM Robert Webb 
> wrote:
> > Any hearing of Verizon internet issues affecting the DC, Northern
> Virginia, and surrounding areas?
> >
> > Just got a flood of complaints about work VPN connections keep dropping
> and all users appear to be using Verizon internet and other users on
> Comcast are not having issues.
> >
> > Started maybe around 11:30AM EST..
> >
> > Thanks..
> >
> > Robert Webb
> >
> >
>
>

Re: Half Fibre Pair

[Craig]

single strand / cwdm optics

On Tue, Jan 26, 2021 at 3:52 PM Rod Beck 
wrote:

> Can someone explain to me what is a half fibre pair? I took it literally
> to mean a single fibre strand but someone insisted it was a large quantity
> of spectrum. Please illuminate. On or off list as you please.
>
> Regards,
>
> Roderick.
>
> Roderick Beck
> VP of Business Development
>
> United Cable Company
>
> www.unitedcablecompany.com
>
> New York City & Budapest
>
> rod.b...@unitedcablecompany.com
>
> Budapest: 36-70-605-5144
>
> NJ: 908-452-8183
>
>
> [image: 1467221477350_image005.png]
>

Half Fibre Pair

[Rod Beck]

Can someone explain to me what is a half fibre pair? I took it literally to 
mean a single fibre strand but someone insisted it was a large quantity of 
spectrum. Please illuminate. On or off list as you please.

Regards,

Roderick.


Roderick Beck

VP of Business Development

United Cable Company

www.unitedcablecompany.com

New York City & Budapest

rod.b...@unitedcablecompany.com

Budapest: 36-70-605-5144

NJ: 908-452-8183


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Re: Verizon DC/NOVA Issues?

[Andy Ringsmuth]

Axios is reporting:

What's happening: The widespread issues are unrelated to a FiOS fiber internet 
cable getting cut in Brooklyn, contrary to reports circulating widely on social 
media linking the two, a Verizon spokesperson said.

https://www.axios.com/east-coast-internet-outages-494451f9-73bb-4025-9730-36ab5a6ad5d6.html


Andy Ringsmuth
5609 Harding Drive
Lincoln, NE 68521-5831
(402) 304-0083
a...@andyring.com

“Better even die free, than to live slaves.” - Frederick Douglas, 1863

> On Jan 26, 2021, at 11:23 AM, Andrew Schaefer  wrote:
> 
> Yes, Verizon FiOS is having major issues in Philadelphia getting to Amazon 
> and Google networks, among others. Starting around 11:30 AM Eastern.
> 
> On Tue, Jan 26, 2021 at 12:15 PM Robert Webb  wrote:
> Any hearing of Verizon internet issues affecting the DC, Northern Virginia, 
> and surrounding areas?
> 
> Just got a flood of complaints about work VPN connections keep dropping and 
> all users appear to be using Verizon internet and other users on Comcast are 
> not having issues.
> 
> Started maybe around 11:30AM EST..
> 
> Thanks..
> 
> Robert Webb
> 
> 

Re: Verizon DC/NOVA Issues?

[Andrew Schaefer]

Yes, Verizon FiOS is having major issues in Philadelphia getting to Amazon
and Google networks, among others. Starting around 11:30 AM Eastern.

On Tue, Jan 26, 2021 at 12:15 PM Robert Webb  wrote:

> Any hearing of Verizon internet issues affecting the DC, Northern
> Virginia, and surrounding areas?
>
> Just got a flood of complaints about work VPN connections keep dropping
> and all users appear to be using Verizon internet and other users on
> Comcast are not having issues.
>
> Started maybe around 11:30AM EST..
>
> Thanks..
>
> Robert Webb
>

Re: Verizon DC/NOVA Issues?

[Andy Ringsmuth]

https://apnews.com/article/us-news-media-internet-service-providers-us-news-baa3c67fdcad9dd0a53cb85ef3a8fce9

https://apnews.com

Associated Press reporting “A major internet outage from Washington, D.C., to 
Boston is affecting internet and cloud providers as well as a number of Google 
services and Facebook.”




Andy Ringsmuth
5609 Harding Drive
Lincoln, NE 68521-5831
(402) 304-0083
a...@andyring.com

“Better even die free, than to live slaves.” - Frederick Douglas, 1863

> On Jan 26, 2021, at 11:43 AM, Brian Henson  wrote:
> 
> I am here in NOVA (on FIOS) and it's working with higher packet loss than 
> normal. 
> 
> On Tue, Jan 26, 2021 at 12:14 PM Robert Webb  wrote:
> Any hearing of Verizon internet issues affecting the DC, Northern Virginia, 
> and surrounding areas?
> 
> Just got a flood of complaints about work VPN connections keep dropping and 
> all users appear to be using Verizon internet and other users on Comcast are 
> not having issues.
> 
> Started maybe around 11:30AM EST..
> 
> Thanks..
> 
> Robert Webb

Re: AWS contact?

[Josh Baird]

Are you sure it's not due to the Verizon outage?  As a non-customer, your
options for contacting support are limited.

On Tue, Jan 26, 2021 at 12:55 PM Justin Wilson (Lists) 
wrote:

> What is the best avenue for contacting support for AWS? I have
> several ISPs experiencing reachability issues with AWS hosted sites.  These
> are from different backbones, different gear, etc.  The common denominator
> is AWS.
>
> Been googling around and can’t seem to find a contact.
>
>
>
> Justin Wilson
> j...@mtin.net
>
> —
> https://j2sw.com - All things jsw (AS209109)
> https://blog.j2sw.com - Podcast and Blog
>
>

AWS contact?

[Justin Wilson (Lists)]

What is the best avenue for contacting support for AWS? I have several 
ISPs experiencing reachability issues with AWS hosted sites.  These are from 
different backbones, different gear, etc.  The common denominator is AWS. 

Been googling around and can’t seem to find a contact.



Justin Wilson
j...@mtin.net

—
https://j2sw.com - All things jsw (AS209109)
https://blog.j2sw.com - Podcast and Blog

Re: Verizon DC/NOVA Issues?

[Brian Henson]

I am here in NOVA (on FIOS) and it's working with higher packet loss than
normal.

On Tue, Jan 26, 2021 at 12:14 PM Robert Webb  wrote:

> Any hearing of Verizon internet issues affecting the DC, Northern
> Virginia, and surrounding areas?
>
> Just got a flood of complaints about work VPN connections keep dropping
> and all users appear to be using Verizon internet and other users on
> Comcast are not having issues.
>
> Started maybe around 11:30AM EST..
>
> Thanks..
>
> Robert Webb
>

Re: Verizon DC/NOVA Issues?

[Stephen Frost]

Seems to be clearing and back here in NoVA for me.

* Andy Ringsmuth (a...@andyring.com) wrote:
> https://twitter.com/VerizonSupport/status/1354109889572982786
> 
> Verizon reporting a fiber cut in Brooklyn.
> 
> 
> Andy Ringsmuth
> 5609 Harding Drive
> Lincoln, NE 68521-5831
> (402) 304-0083
> a...@andyring.com
> 
> “Better even die free, than to live slaves.” - Frederick Douglas, 1863
> 
> > On Jan 26, 2021, at 11:11 AM, Robert Webb  wrote:
> > 
> > Any hearing of Verizon internet issues affecting the DC, Northern Virginia, 
> > and surrounding areas?
> > 
> > Just got a flood of complaints about work VPN connections keep dropping and 
> > all users appear to be using Verizon internet and other users on Comcast 
> > are not having issues.
> > 
> > Started maybe around 11:30AM EST..
> > 
> > Thanks..
> > 
> > Robert Webb


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RE: Verizon FiOS/Google Peering Issues in Northeast?

[Ryan Hamel]

They’re saying it’s a fiber cut in Brooklyn. 
https://twitter.com/VerizonSupport/status/1354109889572982786 Would be 
interesting to see the RFO on this.

 

Ryan

 

From: NANOG  On Behalf Of Robert Webb
Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2021 9:14 AM
To: Brian Loveland 
Cc: North American Network Operators Group 
Subject: Re: Verizon FiOS/Google Peering Issues in Northeast?

 

Looks like our emails crossed. Getting lots of employees, all on Verizon, 
complaining about internet drops.

 

On Tue, Jan 26, 2021 at 12:08 PM Brian Loveland mailto:br...@bloveland.com> > wrote:

Is this well known?  Getting lots of reports of 50% packet loss to anything 
behind AS15169 from FiOS, including 8.8.8.8

Re: Verizon DC/NOVA Issues?

[Mel Beckman]

Yes, Fiber cut on the east coast somewhere:

https://twitter.com/VerizonSupport/status/1354109889572982786

 -mel beckman

On Jan 26, 2021, at 9:14 AM, Robert Webb  wrote:


Any hearing of Verizon internet issues affecting the DC, Northern Virginia, and 
surrounding areas?

Just got a flood of complaints about work VPN connections keep dropping and all 
users appear to be using Verizon internet and other users on Comcast are not 
having issues.

Started maybe around 11:30AM EST..

Thanks..

Robert Webb

Re: Verizon DC/NOVA Issues?

[Andy Ringsmuth]

https://twitter.com/VerizonSupport/status/1354109889572982786

Verizon reporting a fiber cut in Brooklyn.


Andy Ringsmuth
5609 Harding Drive
Lincoln, NE 68521-5831
(402) 304-0083
a...@andyring.com

“Better even die free, than to live slaves.” - Frederick Douglas, 1863

> On Jan 26, 2021, at 11:11 AM, Robert Webb  wrote:
> 
> Any hearing of Verizon internet issues affecting the DC, Northern Virginia, 
> and surrounding areas?
> 
> Just got a flood of complaints about work VPN connections keep dropping and 
> all users appear to be using Verizon internet and other users on Comcast are 
> not having issues.
> 
> Started maybe around 11:30AM EST..
> 
> Thanks..
> 
> Robert Webb

Re: Verizon DC/NOVA Issues?

[Dave Phelps]

Apparently all over the east coast or northeast region.
https://twitter.com/VerizonSupport/status/1354109889572982786

On Tue, Jan 26, 2021 at 11:13 AM Robert Webb  wrote:

> Any hearing of Verizon internet issues affecting the DC, Northern
> Virginia, and surrounding areas?
>
> Just got a flood of complaints about work VPN connections keep dropping
> and all users appear to be using Verizon internet and other users on
> Comcast are not having issues.
>
> Started maybe around 11:30AM EST..
>
> Thanks..
>
> Robert Webb
>

Re: Verizon DC/NOVA Issues?

[Tom Beecher]

Could be knock on effects from their NYC issue in Brooklyn.

On Tue, Jan 26, 2021 at 12:13 PM Robert Webb  wrote:

> Any hearing of Verizon internet issues affecting the DC, Northern
> Virginia, and surrounding areas?
>
> Just got a flood of complaints about work VPN connections keep dropping
> and all users appear to be using Verizon internet and other users on
> Comcast are not having issues.
>
> Started maybe around 11:30AM EST..
>
> Thanks..
>
> Robert Webb
>

Re: Verizon FiOS/Google Peering Issues in Northeast?

[Tom Beecher]

https://twitter.com/VerizonSupport/status/1354109889572982786

Fiber cut in Brooklyn, sounds related.

On Tue, Jan 26, 2021 at 12:08 PM Brian Loveland  wrote:

> Is this well known?  Getting lots of reports of 50% packet loss to
> anything behind AS15169 from FiOS, including 8.8.8.8
>

Re: Verizon DC/NOVA Issues?

[Mike Hammett]

https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/outages 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 

- Original Message -

From: "Robert Webb"  
To: "NANOG list"  
Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2021 11:11:56 AM 
Subject: Verizon DC/NOVA Issues? 


Any hearing of Verizon internet issues affecting the DC, Northern Virginia, and 
surrounding areas? 


Just got a flood of complaints about work VPN connections keep dropping and all 
users appear to be using Verizon internet and other users on Comcast are not 
having issues. 


Started maybe around 11:30AM EST.. 


Thanks.. 


Robert Webb 

Re: Verizon FiOS/Google Peering Issues in Northeast?

[Mike Hammett]

https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/outages 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 

- Original Message -

From: "Brian Loveland"  
To: "North American Network Operators Group"  
Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2021 11:07:02 AM 
Subject: Verizon FiOS/Google Peering Issues in Northeast? 


Is this well known? Getting lots of reports of 50% packet loss to anything 
behind AS15169 from FiOS, including 8.8.8.8 

RE: Verizon FiOS/Google Peering Issues in Northeast?

[Ryan Hamel]

Brian,

It’s an overall Verizon issue, they say it’s a fiber cut in Brooklyn 
https://twitter.com/VerizonSupport/status/1354109889572982786?s=20, but that 
would be a single point of failure. Quite a discussion on the outages mailing 
list.

 

Ryan

 

From: NANOG  On Behalf Of Brian 
Loveland
Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2021 9:07 AM
To: North American Network Operators Group 
Subject: Verizon FiOS/Google Peering Issues in Northeast?

 

Is this well known?  Getting lots of reports of 50% packet loss to anything 
behind AS15169 from FiOS, including 8.8.8.8

Re: Verizon FiOS/Google Peering Issues in Northeast?

[Robert Webb]

Looks like our emails crossed. Getting lots of employees, all on Verizon,
complaining about internet drops.

On Tue, Jan 26, 2021 at 12:08 PM Brian Loveland  wrote:

> Is this well known?  Getting lots of reports of 50% packet loss to
> anything behind AS15169 from FiOS, including 8.8.8.8
>

Verizon DC/NOVA Issues?

[Robert Webb]

Any hearing of Verizon internet issues affecting the DC, Northern Virginia,
and surrounding areas?

Just got a flood of complaints about work VPN connections keep dropping and
all users appear to be using Verizon internet and other users on Comcast
are not having issues.

Started maybe around 11:30AM EST..

Thanks..

Robert Webb

Verizon FiOS/Google Peering Issues in Northeast?

[Brian Loveland]

Is this well known?  Getting lots of reports of 50% packet loss to anything
behind AS15169 from FiOS, including 8.8.8.8

Re: Any2 Los Angeles down again

[Mike Lyon]

Isn’t ANY2 LA collapsing  VLANs today? They sent a notice out about it 
yesterday AM.

-Mike

> On Jan 26, 2021, at 04:55, Mike Hammett  wrote:
> 
> 
> And instead of building out in LA where there's an obvious need, DE-CIX chose 
> Chicago, where there are already several IXes running.
> 
> 
> 
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange
> 
> The Brothers WISP
> 
> From: "Bob Purdon" 
> To: "Siyuan Miao" , "North American Network Operators' 
> Group" 
> Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2021 5:59:58 AM
> Subject: Re: Any2 Los Angeles down again
> 
> On 26/01/2021 22:51, Siyuan Miao wrote:
> > Does anybody know if there's an alternative to Any2 Los Angeles 
> > with predictable uptime and enough members in LA?
> >
> > It's the second outage this month and we've observed at least 7 
> > outages in the past year and we didn't even receive any maintenance 
> > notice or RFO.
> 
> Likewise, I wouldn't be adverse to exploring options - I noticed a 
> handful of peers disappear about an hour ago (most are still up).  A 
> week or so back we lost most if not all...
> 
> Then again, we had a different IX in San Francisco stop talking LACP 
> with us out of the blue yesterday, for reasons still unknown but since 
> fixed.
> 
> 

Re: Past policies versus present and future uses

[Rich Kulawiec]

On Mon, Jan 25, 2021 at 11:26:51AM -0500, Rob McEwen wrote:
> Is DDoS-Guard without blame? Probably not, but them hosting some occasional
> criminals is NOT UNLIKE EVERY OTHER GLOBAL NETWORK!

You might wish to scroll back up to the message I sent here on January 21
with the Subject "DDOS-Guard"  and note the list of domains that I provided.

That's not a network with "occasional" issues, that's a network with
pervasive issues.

> By these SAME standards, many other large and famous
> networks should lose most or much of their IPs too!

Yes, that's exactly what should happen.  "Large and famous" operations,
by their very nature, have plenty of money to spend on large, trained,
competent, empowered, 24x7 abuse staff as well as on customer screening
-- and should do that.  Those that don't should not have their problematic
allocations confiscated: they should have *all* their allocations confiscated.

Why?  Well, first because there are no acceptable excuses for running
an operation like that.  NONE.  And second, because when those operations
refuse to pay the costs of keeping abusers out, you know who *does* pay
for that?

We do.

---rsk

Re: Any2 Los Angeles down again

[Mike Hammett]

And instead of building out in LA where there's an obvious need, DE-CIX chose 
Chicago, where there are already several IXes running. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 

- Original Message -

From: "Bob Purdon"  
To: "Siyuan Miao" , "North American Network Operators' 
Group"  
Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2021 5:59:58 AM 
Subject: Re: Any2 Los Angeles down again 

On 26/01/2021 22:51, Siyuan Miao wrote: 
> Does anybody know if there's an alternative to Any2 Los Angeles 
> with predictable uptime and enough members in LA? 
> 
> It's the second outage this month and we've observed at least 7 
> outages in the past year and we didn't even receive any maintenance 
> notice or RFO. 

Likewise, I wouldn't be adverse to exploring options - I noticed a 
handful of peers disappear about an hour ago (most are still up). A 
week or so back we lost most if not all... 

Then again, we had a different IX in San Francisco stop talking LACP 
with us out of the blue yesterday, for reasons still unknown but since 
fixed. 

Re: Any2 Los Angeles down again

[Elmar K. Bins]

avel...@misaka.io (Siyuan Miao) wrote:

> Does anybody know if there's an alternative to Any2 Los Angeles
> with predictable uptime and enough members in LA?

Sure, there's NYIIX LA. Tried searching peeringdb?

Elmar.

Re: Any2 Los Angeles down again

[Bob Purdon]

On 26/01/2021 22:51, Siyuan Miao wrote:
Does anybody know if there's an alternative to Any2 Los Angeles 
with predictable uptime and enough members in LA?


It's the second outage this month and we've observed at least 7 
outages in the past year and we didn't even receive any maintenance 
notice or RFO.


Likewise, I wouldn't be adverse to exploring options - I noticed a 
handful of peers disappear about an hour ago (most are still up).  A 
week or so back we lost most if not all...


Then again, we had a different IX in San Francisco stop talking LACP 
with us out of the blue yesterday, for reasons still unknown but since 
fixed.

Any2 Los Angeles down again

[Siyuan Miao]

Does anybody know if there's an alternative to Any2 Los Angeles
with predictable uptime and enough members in LA?

It's the second outage this month and we've observed at least 7 outages in
the past year and we didn't even receive any maintenance notice or RFO.

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Siyuan