Re: 1G/10G BaseT switch recommendation

[Adam Thompson]

While acknowledging that some people love Rucks for legitimate reasons, our 
experience with them can be summed up as "never again".  YMMV.
-Adam

Adam Thompson
Consultant, Infrastructure Services
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100 - 135 Innovation Drive
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From: NANOG  on behalf of Jörg 
Kost 
Sent: July 22, 2021 14:39
To: Drew Weaver 
Cc: nanog@nanog.org 
Subject: Re: 1G/10G BaseT switch recommendation

Ruckus ICX 7650-48ZP has

- 24x 1GB RJ45
- 24x 2.5/5/10G RJ45
- stacking
- uplink 100G | 40G | 10G uplink module
- BGP, OSPF, ACL

https://de.commscope.com/product-type/enterprise-networking/ethernet-switches/icx7650


On 22 Jul 2021, at 21:29, Adam Thompson wrote:

> If you've already looked at Cisco, Juniper, Extreme, Juniper, and
> Arista, that's the big ones.  Everything else is increasingly niche
> vendors.
> -Adam
>
>
> Adam Thompson

RE: 1G/10G BaseT switch recommendation

[Tony Wicks]

Nokia has the 7250-ixr-e that has 24x1/10G SFP, 8x10/25G SFP28 and 2x100G 
QSFP28 ports (300G FDX total) in a small depth 1U unit. We use a bunch of these 
and they work nicely with full MPLS features.

 

From: NANOG  On Behalf Of Adam 
Thompson
Sent: Friday, 23 July 2021 7:35 am
To: Saku Ytti 
Cc: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: RE: 1G/10G BaseT switch recommendation

 

True.  I forget carrier space often, these days.

 

Re: 1G/10G BaseT switch recommendation

[Jörg Kost]

Ruckus ICX 7650-48ZP has

- 24x 1GB RJ45
- 24x 2.5/5/10G RJ45
- stacking
- uplink 100G | 40G | 10G uplink module
- BGP, OSPF, ACL

https://de.commscope.com/product-type/enterprise-networking/ethernet-switches/icx7650


On 22 Jul 2021, at 21:29, Adam Thompson wrote:

If you've already looked at Cisco, Juniper, Extreme, Juniper, and 
Arista, that's the big ones.  Everything else is increasingly niche 
vendors.

-Adam


Adam Thompson

RE: 1G/10G BaseT switch recommendation

[Adam Thompson]

True.  I forget carrier space often, these days.

Adam Thompson
Consultant, Infrastructure Services
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Winnipeg, MB, R3T 6A8
(204) 977-6824 or 1-800-430-6404 (MB only)
athomp...@merlin.mb.ca
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From: Saku Ytti 
Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2021 2:34 PM
To: Adam Thompson 
Cc: Drew Weaver ; nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Re: 1G/10G BaseT switch recommendation

On Thu, 22 Jul 2021 at 22:32, Adam Thompson 
mailto:athomp...@merlin.mb.ca>> wrote

If you've already looked at Cisco, Juniper, Extreme, Juniper, and Arista, 
that's the big ones.  Everything else is increasingly niche vendors.

Extreme is a mom and pop shop compared to Nokia and Huawei, and I guess quite 
selection of names.

--
  ++ytti

Re: 1G/10G BaseT switch recommendation

[Saku Ytti]

On Thu, 22 Jul 2021 at 22:32, Adam Thompson  wrote

If you've already looked at Cisco, Juniper, Extreme, Juniper, and Arista,
> that's the big ones.  Everything else is increasingly niche vendors.
>

Extreme is a mom and pop shop compared to Nokia and Huawei, and I guess
quite selection of names.

-- 
  ++ytti

Re: 1G/10G BaseT switch recommendation

[Matt Erculiani]

The Juniper QFX 5120-48T has the 48x10G RJ45s you're looking for and has
QSFP+/28 100G capable ports that can each be broken out into 4x25G (via DAC
or MPO).

They can be licensed to add OSPF/BGP and their brand is ubiquitous enough
that API support should be no problem on most management platforms.

I think you'll have a tougher time finding native SFP28 25G uplink ports
for a 10G switch as it's mostly seen as a server-facing port speed
alternative alongside 10G, rather than an uplink for 10G; the
oversubscription ratio between 48x10G and 4-6x25G is quite high when you
account for at least 2N redundancy on the uplinks.

-Matt

On Thu, Jul 22, 2021 at 12:47 PM Drew Weaver  wrote:

> Hello everyone,
>
>
>
> I’m looking for recommendations from the community on 48x10G RJ45/4-6
> SFP28 (uplink ports) switches that people actually like working with.
>
>
>
> Features are VPC or non-vendor specific equivalent, L2/L3 BGP/OSPFv3,
> ACLs, functional CoPP and some sort of API to manage them. [the CLI would
> work, my lib can handle most Networking OS CLIs anyway]
>
>
>
> My problem point is coming from the RJ45 requirement, most vendors have
> one switch that they sell that is RJ45 at 10G or at the most one in each
> line (enterprise/datacenter) and they seem to be almost an afterthought.
> [probably because SFP28 is better in every way if you are already using
> fiber at the endpoint] sadly, we are not.
>
>
>
> I just want to make sure I am not excluding any vendors from my research.
>
>
>
> I appreciate any suggestions or recommendations. Can even keep it off-list
> if you want.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> -Drew
>
>
>
>
>
>
>


-- 
Matt Erculiani
ERCUL-ARIN

Re: 1G/10G BaseT switch recommendation

[Adam Thompson]

If you've already looked at Cisco, Juniper, Extreme, Juniper, and Arista, 
that's the big ones.  Everything else is increasingly niche vendors.
-Adam


Adam Thompson
Consultant, Infrastructure Services
[1593169877849]
100 - 135 Innovation Drive
Winnipeg, MB, R3T 6A8
(204) 977-6824 or 1-800-430-6404 (MB only)
athomp...@merlin.mb.ca
www.merlin.mb.ca

From: NANOG  on behalf of Drew 
Weaver 
Sent: July 22, 2021 13:46
To: 'nanog@nanog.org' 
Subject: 1G/10G BaseT switch recommendation


Hello everyone,



I’m looking for recommendations from the community on 48x10G RJ45/4-6 SFP28 
(uplink ports) switches that people actually like working with.



Features are VPC or non-vendor specific equivalent, L2/L3 BGP/OSPFv3, ACLs, 
functional CoPP and some sort of API to manage them. [the CLI would work, my 
lib can handle most Networking OS CLIs anyway]



My problem point is coming from the RJ45 requirement, most vendors have one 
switch that they sell that is RJ45 at 10G or at the most one in each line 
(enterprise/datacenter) and they seem to be almost an afterthought. [probably 
because SFP28 is better in every way if you are already using fiber at the 
endpoint] sadly, we are not.



I just want to make sure I am not excluding any vendors from my research.



I appreciate any suggestions or recommendations. Can even keep it off-list if 
you want.



Thanks,

-Drew

1G/10G BaseT switch recommendation

[Drew Weaver]

Hello everyone,

I'm looking for recommendations from the community on 48x10G RJ45/4-6 SFP28 
(uplink ports) switches that people actually like working with.

Features are VPC or non-vendor specific equivalent, L2/L3 BGP/OSPFv3, ACLs, 
functional CoPP and some sort of API to manage them. [the CLI would work, my 
lib can handle most Networking OS CLIs anyway]

My problem point is coming from the RJ45 requirement, most vendors have one 
switch that they sell that is RJ45 at 10G or at the most one in each line 
(enterprise/datacenter) and they seem to be almost an afterthought. [probably 
because SFP28 is better in every way if you are already using fiber at the 
endpoint] sadly, we are not.

I just want to make sure I am not excluding any vendors from my research.

I appreciate any suggestions or recommendations. Can even keep it off-list if 
you want.

Thanks,
-Drew

Re: Global Akamai Outage

[Andy Ringsmuth]

> On Jul 22, 2021, at 12:38 PM, Grant Taylor via NANOG  wrote:
> 
> On 7/22/21 10:56 AM, Andy Ringsmuth wrote:
>> The outage appears to have, ironically, taken out the outages and 
>> outages-discussion lists too.
> 
> I received multiple messages from the Outages (proper) mailing list, 
> including messages about the Akamai issue.
> 
> I'd be surprised if the Outages Discussion mailing list was on different 
> infrastructure.
> 
> I am now seeing some messages sent to Outages (proper) as if others aren't 
> seeing messages (about the Akamai) issue.  This is probably going to be a 
> more nuanced issue that effected some but not all entities. Probably weird 
> interactions / dependencies.
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Grant. . . .
> unix || die

It does seem that way, and I opened a ticket with my provider to see what they 
can find as well.


-Andy

Re: Global Akamai Outage

[Grant Taylor via NANOG]

On 7/22/21 10:56 AM, Andy Ringsmuth wrote:
The outage appears to have, ironically, taken out the outages and 
outages-discussion lists too.


I received multiple messages from the Outages (proper) mailing list, 
including messages about the Akamai issue.


I'd be surprised if the Outages Discussion mailing list was on different 
infrastructure.


I am now seeing some messages sent to Outages (proper) as if others 
aren't seeing messages (about the Akamai) issue.  This is probably going 
to be a more nuanced issue that effected some but not all entities. 
Probably weird interactions / dependencies.




--
Grant. . . .
unix || die

Re: Global Akamai Outage

[Jared Mauch]

> On Jul 22, 2021, at 12:56 PM, Andy Ringsmuth  wrote:
> 
> The outage appears to have, ironically, taken out the outages and 
> outages-discussion lists too.
> 
> Kinda like having a fire at the 911 dispatch center…



Should not have impacted me in my hosting of the list.  Obviously if the domain 
names were impacted in the lookups for sending e-mail as well, there would be 
problems.



- Jared

Re: Global Akamai Outage

[Andy Ringsmuth]

The outage appears to have, ironically, taken out the outages and 
outages-discussion lists too.

Kinda like having a fire at the 911 dispatch center...


Andy Ringsmuth
5609 Harding Drive
Lincoln, NE 68521-5831
(402) 304-0083
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> On Jul 22, 2021, at 11:34 AM, Mark Tinka  wrote:
> 
> https://edgedns.status.akamai.com/
> 
> Mark.

Re: Global Akamai Outage

[Mark Tinka]

On 7/22/21 18:50, Matt Harris wrote:

Seems to be clearing up at this point, was able to get to a site just 
now that I wasn't a little bit ago.


Yes, seems to be restoring...

    https://twitter.com/akamai/status/1418251400660889603?s=28

Mark.

Re: Global Akamai Outage

[Matt Harris]

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On Thu, Jul 22, 2021 at 11:35 AM Mark Tinka  wrote:

> https://edgedns.status.akamai.com/
>
> Mark.
>

Seems to be clearing up at this point, was able to get to a site just now
that I wasn't a little bit ago.

Global Akamai Outage

[Mark Tinka]

https://edgedns.status.akamai.com/

Mark.

Contact for Greendot

[John Alcock]

One of my ip blocks is being blocked.  Is there someone from greendot
lurking on the list?

Feel free to contact me offlist.

John

Re: Alien waves

[Rob Evans]

Hi,

Alien wavelengths is a fairly old concept and more generally just
refers to running any wavelength over a DWDM system that isn't
generated by that system's own transponders.

These days it is more about leasing spectrum (Spectrum as a Service),
but that comes in several different flavours.  There is the basic "I
want access to 250GHz of C-band to light in whatever way I want",
which only tends to happen between consenting networks (e.g. in the
R space, or between trusted providers), or as trials due to the
risks that ytti mentioned.  That could be a single contiguous
superchannel of spectrum if you have a colourless/flexgrid add/drop
system, or 5 x 50GHz individual channels.

At the other end of the spectrum (ahem) is managed transponders.  This
is more suitable for, e.g., the submarine case.  You have guaranteed
access to a certain amount of spectrum, but the transponders go into
the fibre owner's DWDM equipment and are managed by them and you
connect to the transponder in much the same way as a traditional
circuit.  You can theoretically upgrade as newer transponders come out
that use spectrum more efficiently, or as demand requires it for a
nominal (!) fee to cover the hardware and engineering.

There are options between those models, but it's rarely a pricebook
item at the moment and will need to be discussed with the providers.
It's also usually intended for fairly large requirements.

Cheers,
Rob

Re: Alien waves

[Radu-Adrian Feurdean]

On Tue, Jul 20, 2021, at 22:44, Saku Ytti wrote:
> I'm going to hazard a guess that the exhaustive list is empty. 

Actually, it's not empty. I know 2 operators in my part of the world that do it 
in some way or another.

> Allowing 3rd parties to launch alien waves to your system puts your existing 
> waves at the mercy of the 3rd party, power or lack thereof from the 

There are issues and there are solutions. It's just the solutions may not match 
the intended price-tag for the desired service (mostly thinking to 
long-distance alien waves - a.k.a spectrum or channels band - where entry point 
is very high).