Re: Rogers Outage: What do we Know After Two Months?

[Clayton Zekelman]

It was mentioned:

 It shouldn’t take a parliamentary inquiry or 
pointed attention from Canada’s telecoms 
regulator, or the 
fear 
of having its corporate merger with another 
enormous IP network backbone blocked, to bring 
those technical lessons into the light.


But not by name.

At 07:21 PM 12/09/2022, Eric Kuhnke wrote:

I did a ctrl-f for "Shaw" in that article and there's zero mention of it.

I realize that the Internet Society is meant to 
remain neutral and not comment subjectively on 
matters of market competition and conglomeration of telecoms.


It's very concerning to me that the Rogers/Shaw 
acquisition-merger will likely be allowed to 
proceed, even further reducing competition, and 
increasing centralization (the opposite of the 
decentralization mentioned in the article). From 
the point of view of a Canadian who works 
primarily for US-based ISPs these days, at least 
in the US there's seven or eight gargantuan 
multi-billion-dollar sized last mile cable 
operators. In many parts of Canada it's just 
Rogers or Shaw. It's not a good situation at all for the consumer.






On Mon, 12 Sept 2022 at 07:42, Sean Donelan 
<s...@donelan.com> wrote:

Article by Internet Society's Resident Advisor Jim Cowie.


Rogers Outage: What do we Know After Two Months?

https://pulse.internetsociety.org/blog/rogers-outage-what-do-we-know-after-two-months

September 9, 2022

It’s now been a full two months since Rogers Telecom suffered a nationwide
Internet outage, leaving tens of millions of Canadians without
telecommunications services.


--

Clayton Zekelman
Managed Network Systems Inc. (MNSi)
3363 Tecumseh Rd. E
Windsor, Ontario
N8W 1H4

tel. 519-985-8410
fax. 519-985-8409

Re: Rogers Outage: What do we Know After Two Months?

[Eric Kuhnke]

I did a ctrl-f for "Shaw" in that article and there's zero mention of it.

I realize that the Internet Society is meant to remain neutral and not
comment subjectively on matters of market competition and conglomeration of
telecoms.

It's very concerning to me that the Rogers/Shaw acquisition-merger will
likely be allowed to proceed, even further reducing competition, and
increasing centralization (the opposite of the *decentralization* mentioned
in the article). From the point of view of a Canadian who works primarily
for US-based ISPs these days, at least in the US there's seven or eight
gargantuan multi-billion-dollar sized last mile cable operators. In many
parts of Canada it's just Rogers or Shaw. It's not a good situation at all
for the consumer.





On Mon, 12 Sept 2022 at 07:42, Sean Donelan  wrote:

> Article by Internet Society's Resident Advisor Jim Cowie.
>
>
> Rogers Outage: What do we Know After Two Months?
>
>
> https://pulse.internetsociety.org/blog/rogers-outage-what-do-we-know-after-two-months
>
> September 9, 2022
>
> It’s now been a full two months since Rogers Telecom suffered a nationwide
> Internet outage, leaving tens of millions of Canadians without
> telecommunications services.
>

New ARIN RSA (was: Fwd: [arin-announce] New ARIN Registration Services Agreement)

[John Curran]

NANOGers -

We’ve updated the ARIN RSA to simplify a section that has received significant 
comments over the years.

FYI,
/John

John Curran
President and CEO
American Registry for Internet Numbers

Begin forwarded message:

From: ARIN mailto:i...@arin.net>>
Subject: [arin-announce] New ARIN Registration Services Agreement
Date: 12 September 2022 at 12:56:02 PM EDT
To: "arin-annou...@arin.net" 
mailto:arin-annou...@arin.net>>

ARIN is pleased to announce the release of an updated combined Registration 
Services Agreement (the “RSA”) RSA Version 13.0/LRSA Version 5.0 
(https://arin.net/about/corporate/agreements/rsa.pdf). This agreement takes the 
place of RSA Version 12.0/LRSA Version 4.0 and is immediately made available 
for signature. Further, any signatories of prior versions of the RSA or LRSA 
that are in good standing are able to update and execute this version of the 
RSA if they wish to do so.

ARIN is committed to removing hurdles to organizations making use of ARIN’s 
services to the extent reasonably possible. We have updated the RSA several 
times since its inception; each time, we have incorporated changes to address 
concerns and comments received from the community. This updated RSA changes one 
section of the RSA that has been the subject of notable community feedback over 
the years. The updated RSA removes significant representations from Section 7 
and renames the section (previously titled “No Property Rights”) to 
“Acknowledged Rights To Included Number Resources.” A redline showing the 
change may be seen here: 
https://arin.net/about/corporate/agreements/rsav13_changes.pdf. We have not 
changed the RSA in more than five years; however, we felt that this small 
change may be helpful to customers considering ARIN’s services, including RPKI 
and our recently introduced Authenticated IRR.

For clarity, this change to the RSA does not impact, nor does it alter, ARIN’s 
position that Internet Number Resources are not freely-held property. Internet 
Number Resources constitute a bundle of contractual rights that are created 
upon issuance of an Internet Number Resource from the registry to a registrant. 
The original “No Property Rights” section was created at a time when this clear 
statement was necessary. Since then, the RSA has undergone multiple updates, 
including the addition of the specified rights granted to a Holder as detailed 
in Section 2 of the RSA titled “Conditions of Service.”

We are hopeful with the release of this updated RSA that organizations will 
more easily be able to utilize ARIN’s full suite of services.

Regards,

John Curran
President and CEO
American Registry for Internet Numbers (ARIN)

Rogers Outage: What do we Know After Two Months?

[Sean Donelan]

Article by Internet Society's Resident Advisor Jim Cowie.


Rogers Outage: What do we Know After Two Months?

https://pulse.internetsociety.org/blog/rogers-outage-what-do-we-know-after-two-months

September 9, 2022

It’s now been a full two months since Rogers Telecom suffered a nationwide 
Internet outage, leaving tens of millions of Canadians without 
telecommunications services.

Re: Router ID on IPv6-Only

[Bjørn Mork]

Jeff Tantsura  writes:

> Indeed, someone was recently complaining that FRR is unhappy with a
> peer with router-id from class E range…

This made me curious enough to dig up the fix.  If anyone else is interested:
https://github.com/FRRouting/frr/commit/b5c2113e47f846d0c48fb4ef63e29bf96bd2fbe2


Bjørn

Re: Router ID on IPv6-Only

[Jeff Tantsura]

Indeed, someone was recently complaining that FRR is unhappy with a peer with 
router-id from class E range…

Cheers,
Jeff

> On Sep 9, 2022, at 09:30, Saku Ytti  wrote:
> 
> On Fri, 9 Sept 2022 at 09:31, Crist Clark  wrote:
> 
>> As I said in the original email, I realize router IDs just need to be
>> unique in
>> an AS. We could have done random ones with IPv4, but using a well chosen
> 
> In some far future this will be true. We meet eBGP speakers across the
> world, and not everyone supports route refresh, _TODAY_, I suspect
> mostly because internally developed eBGP implementations and
> developers were not very familiar with how real life BGP works.
> RFC6286 is not supported by all common implementations, much less
> uncommon. And even for common implementations it requires a very new
> image (20.4 for Junos, many are even in 17.4 still).
> 
> So while we can consider BGP router-id to be only locally significant
> when RFC6286 is implemented, in practice you want to be defensive in
> your router-id strategy, i.e. avoid at least scheme of 1,2,3,4,5,6...
> on thesis that will be common scheme and liable to increase support
> costs down the line due to collision probability being higher. While
> it might also add commercial advantage for transit providers, to have
> low router-id to win billable traffic.
> 
>> And to get even a little more specific about our particular use case and
>> the
>> suggestion here to build the device location into the ID, we're
>> generally not
> 
> I would strongly advise against any information-to-ID mapping schemes.
> This adds complexity and reduces flexibility and requires you to know
> the complete problem ahead of time, which is difficult, only have
> rules you absolutely must have. I am sure most people here have
> experience having too cutesy addressing schemes some time in their
> past, where forming an IP address had unnecessary rules in them, which
> just created complexity and cost in future.
> If you can add an arbitrary 32b ID to your database, this problem
> becomes very easy. If not, it's tricky.
> 
> -- 
>  ++ytti

Re: Request for help: academic study (questionnaire)

[Etienne-Victor Depasquale via NANOG]

I'm truly grateful for the response received

(available until Wednesday 8pm CET)

I'm short on North American - headquartered telcos / MSOs; any support
would be deeply appreciated (link to questionnaire is here
).

With thanks,

Etienne

On Mon, Jul 25, 2022 at 10:09 AM Etienne-Victor Depasquale 
wrote:

> ***Apologies for cross-posting***
>
> Interim results
> 
>  (available
> until 26th July, 10 am CET)
>
> Link to fill in survey  (for those
> who have been unable to do so and might be interested in doing so).
>
> Sincere and heartfelt thanks to those who have already filled in the
> survey.
>
> Etienne
>
> On Thu, Jul 21, 2022 at 12:56 PM Etienne-Victor Depasquale 
> wrote:
>
>> Dear NANOGers,
>>
>> Payback time (unprocessed, interim aggregate analytics, more to come
>> later):
>>  Next-generation metro area networks (google.com)
>> 
>> ,
>> available until tomorrow Friday 22nd 8pm CET.
>>
>> I need more data (42/50 received/desired - at time of publication),
>> especially from MSOs
>> (but please, if you can, whatever your operator genre, do
>> answer/distribute/nudge).
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Etienne
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 14, 2022 at 12:34 PM Etienne-Victor Depasquale <
>> ed...@ieee.org> wrote:
>>
>>> I'm at 15/50 (received/desired) responses - thank you so much to those
>>> who've helped.
>>>
>>> Please, if you can answer/distribute/nudge, it would help to make this
>>> study meaningful
>>> (for convenience: https://forms.gle/Hh4oy5DdryvQYnqJA)
>>>
>>> Thank you for your patience with this reminder of mine.
>>>
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> Etienne
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jul 7, 2022 at 8:38 AM Etienne-Victor Depasquale 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Hello NANOGers,


 I'm asking for your help through your response to a questionnaire that
 forms part of an academic study that I'm carrying out
 .

 The study is directed solely towards facilitating understanding of
 metro area networks, for analysts who approach from the perspective of
 energy consumption.

 The study is anonymous (no individual or company names are solicited),
 and individual responses will only be used in aggregate.

 I shall send a digest of the survey to the mailing list, and will
 correspond with respondents who would like a copy of the paper which I
 intend to produce with the results.


 Yours sincerely,

 Etienne

 --
 Ing. Etienne-Victor Depasquale
 Assistant Lecturer
 Department of Communications & Computer Engineering
 Faculty of Information & Communication Technology
 University of Malta
 Web. https://www.um.edu.mt/profile/etiennedepasquale

>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Ing. Etienne-Victor Depasquale
>>> Assistant Lecturer
>>> Department of Communications & Computer Engineering
>>> Faculty of Information & Communication Technology
>>> University of Malta
>>> Web. https://www.um.edu.mt/profile/etiennedepasquale
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Ing. Etienne-Victor Depasquale
>> Assistant Lecturer
>> Department of Communications & Computer Engineering
>> Faculty of Information & Communication Technology
>> University of Malta
>> Web. https://www.um.edu.mt/profile/etiennedepasquale
>>
>
>
> --
> Ing. Etienne-Victor Depasquale
> Assistant Lecturer
> Department of Communications & Computer Engineering
> Faculty of Information & Communication Technology
> University of Malta
> Web. https://www.um.edu.mt/profile/etiennedepasquale
>


-- 
Ing. Etienne-Victor Depasquale
Assistant Lecturer
Department of Communications & Computer Engineering
Faculty of Information & Communication Technology
University of Malta
Web. https://www.um.edu.mt/profile/etiennedepasquale