Cuba island-wide power outage after hurricane Ian

[Sean Donelan]

Lazaro Guerra, the technical director of the Electric Union of Cuba, the 
country’s state power company, said Cuba had "zero electric generation" 
after the hurricane caused problems in links in the west, center and east 
of the island. Mr. Guerra said crews would be working all night and 
Wednesday morning to re-establish power. He said transmission lines in 
western Cuba were down.


from WSJ

IODA shows Internet accessibility at approximately 80%

https://ioda.inetintel.cc.gatech.edu/country/CU

Kentik is also reporting a traffic drop in Cuba, but BGP routes are still 
announced.




The National Hurricane Center said the eye will come ashore in Florida on 
Wednesday afternoon.

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Re: ARIN RPKI services terms/conditions - Change to Management of the Trust Anchor Locator for ARIN’s RPKI Service

[John Curran]

On 27 Sep 2022, at 10:33 AM, Niels Bakker 
mailto:niels=na...@bakker.net>> wrote:

* jcur...@arin.net (John Curran) [Tue 27 Sep 2022, 
13:26 CEST]:
Yes: the intent is that an RP validator may ship and use the ARIN TAL by 
default.
If that is not clear in the revised RPA, then the RPA agreement will updated 
again for clarity.

I feel like you're just gaslighting us at this point.

You suggest gaslighting by ARIN as as result of us indicating that if the RPA 
is unclear, it will be
corrected?   That’s a interesting interpretation – I could certainly understand 
a gaslighting concern
if ARIN said “it’s fine and don’t worry about the words; it means what it 
means” but rather we are
acknowledging the language may still remain unclear and need to be promptly 
addressed.

Why can't ARIN just grant distribution and use for any purpose rights like the 
other RIRs?

Not quite "use for any purpose”; for example – RIPE NCC - "Users shall be 
permitted to download the Repository and to access and use the data contained 
therein, only in order to validate Certificates, CRLs and RPKI-signed objects.  
Download of the Repository, access to or use of the data contained therein for 
any other purpose, including but not limited to identification purposes, 
advertising, direct marketing, marketing research or similar purposes, is 
strictly forbidden.”

However, your point is taken and ARIN shall endeavor to make terms and 
conditions for use
of the TAL and the ARIN repository clearer in this regard.

Thanks,
/John

John Curran
President and CEO
American Registry for Internet Numbers

Re: Akamai Contact/Issues

[Niels Bakker]

* t...@visnetworkrd.com (George Toma) [Tue 27 Sep 2022, 17:14 CEST]:

Jared

I would be also interested in what you said in reply to Dustin 
Brooks about Akamai contact as in the past we have experienced 
similar problem, and trying to resolve it with the Akamai EdgeScape 
support we ran into a stonewall of not being an Akamai client (I 
understand EdgeScape is the one which in charge of geolocation DB at 
Akamai)


Unfortunately your reply was scrubbed by nanog and is blank.


Jared's reply was perfectly readable: "You can ping me off list. Thanks."

Mr Brooks' problem wasn't EdgeScape related, by the way.


-- Niels.

Re: Akamai Contact/Issues

[George Toma]

Jared

I would be also interested in what you said in reply to Dustin Brooks about
Akamai contact as in the past we have experienced similar problem, and
trying to resolve it with the Akamai EdgeScape support we ran into a
stonewall of not being an Akamai client (I understand EdgeScape is the one
which in charge of geolocation DB at Akamai)

Unfortunately your reply was scrubbed by nanog and is blank.

Thanks.
Regards,
George
VSINETWORK SRL
AS 64134

--

Message: 1
Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2022 17:25:03 +
From: Dustin Brooks 
To: "nanog@nanog.org" 
Subject: Akamai Contact/Issues
Message-ID:
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mwhpr1001mbc62a7d04a1ec9971fe97cb...@mwhpr1001mb.namprd10.prod.outlook.com
>

Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"

Anyone having issues with sites hosted by Akamai?  We have several users
within a single /24 that are not able to access several (go.microsoft.com,
www.irs.gov, adobe.com, npr.org, just to name a few).
I?ve tried emailing Akamai but I get a canned response ?you don?t have an
account with us.

Anyone know how to get in touch with them?

--
Dustin Brooks
Sr. Network Engineer

[signature_1951109643]

2028 Highway 115, Mansura, LA 71350
318.597.0303 Office | 337.781.4506 Mobile |  www.Conterra.com

Re: ARIN RPKI services terms/conditions - Change to Management of the Trust Anchor Locator for ARIN’s RPKI Service

[William Herrin]

On Tue, Sep 27, 2022 at 4:23 AM John Curran  wrote:
> Yes: the intent is that an RP validator may ship and use the ARIN TAL by 
> default.
>
> If that is not clear in the revised RPA, then the RPA agreement will updated 
> again for clarity.

Hi John,

It's clear enough from section 9 that an RP validator may NOT ship and
use the ARIN TAL without first adopting as its own the basic
brokenness of ARIN's legal process around the TAL.This change looks to
me like a swing and a miss.

Understand John, open source software operates on a license tender
basis. The user is presumed to have accepted the license contract on
the basis of their lack of authority to have made a copy any other
way. Placing additional restrictions is a poison pill.

Regards,
Bill Herrin


-- 
For hire. https://bill.herrin.us/resume/

Re: ARIN RPKI services terms/conditions - Change to Management of the Trust Anchor Locator for ARIN’s RPKI Service

[Niels Bakker]

* jcur...@arin.net (John Curran) [Tue 27 Sep 2022, 13:26 CEST]:

Yes: the intent is that an RP validator may ship and use the ARIN TAL by 
default.
If that is not clear in the revised RPA, then the RPA agreement will updated 
again for clarity.


I feel like you're just gaslighting us at this point.

"You have passed through terms that are at least as protective of ARIN 
... via browse-wrap, clickwrap [...] for which such third party is 
legally obligated to said terms."


So, no, software developers cannot ship and use the ARIN TAL by 
default, which means without having to interrupt an installation 
process with a question about Articles 5, 6, and 7 and Sections 8(a), 
8(b), and 8(f) of the ARIN RPA.


Why can't ARIN just grant distribution and use for any purpose rights 
like the other RIRs?



-- Niels.

Re: ARIN RPKI services terms/conditions - Change to Management of the Trust Anchor Locator for ARIN’s RPKI Service

[John Curran]

On 27 Sep 2022, at 7:21 AM, Lukas Tribus mailto:lu...@ltri.eu>> 
wrote:

Can a RP validator ship and use the ARIN TAL by default, without
additional steps and confirmations by the user?

Yes: the intent is that an RP validator may ship and use the ARIN TAL by 
default.

If that is not clear in the revised RPA, then the RPA agreement will updated 
again for clarity.

Thanks,
/John

John Curran
President and CEO
American Registry for Internet Numbers

Re: ARIN RPKI services terms/conditions - Change to Management of the Trust Anchor Locator for ARIN’s RPKI Service

[Lukas Tribus]

Hello John,


On Mon, 26 Sept 2022 at 23:48, John Curran  wrote:
>
> NANOGers -
>
> Changes in terms and conditions for ARIN's RPKI service – more specifically 
> being
> changes in ARIN’s Relaying Party Agreement terms and related Trust Anchor 
> Locator
> management approach – see the attached announcement for details.

Considering that RP vendors and operators globally are hopefully using
the ARIN TAL and not everybody is a native english speaking lawyer,
can we simplify this a little further?

There appears to already be a disparity between different
interpretations regarding this change.

Here [1] an RP vendor claims "no additional steps are needed to use
the @TeamARIN TAL" (just like every other TALs).
Somebody else [2] appears to disagree.

The new section 9 appears to mandate that RP software checks to
confirm that the user has accepted the RPA (or another agreements with
those terms passed through "at least as protective of ARIN").


So lets put this in pseudocode for RP developers:

Previously, a setup/install helper could ask the user if ARIN RPA has
been agreed to, and in that case, download the ARIN TAL (487 byte
sized as of today).

Now a setup/install helper could ask the user if ARIN RPA has been
agreed to, and in that case, enable the use of the ARIN TAL which can
now be shipped with the product.


Can a RP validator ship and use the ARIN TAL by default, without
additional steps and confirmations by the user?

If not, what is the actual benefit of this change, other than the 487
byte download of the TAL file not being necessary any more?


Which issues of the 2019 paper "Lowering Legal Barriers to RPKI
Adoption" [3] in your opinion does this change address?



Thank you,

Lukas Tribus



[1] https://twitter.com/routinator3000/status/1574637298838376449
[2] https://twitter.com/sthen_/status/1574704553219571712
[3] https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3308619