Re: Do ISP's collect and analyze traffic of users?

[Jared Mauch]

> On May 16, 2023, at 2:57 PM, Michael Thomas  wrote:
> 
> 
> On 5/16/23 7:35 AM, Livingood, Jason via NANOG wrote:
>> +1 to what Josh writes below. I would also differentiate between mobile 
>> networks (service provisioned to individual devices & often carrier s/w on 
>> the device) and wireline networks (home devices behind a router/gateway/NAT).
>>  
>> I just don't think sale of data is a business for wireline ISPs. If it were 
>> - given most companies are public - you'd see it in SEC 10K filings and on 
>> earnings calls. Indeed, they'd be required to talk about it with investors 
>> if it was a material revenue stream. I see none of that. Rather, the focus 
>> is on subscription revenue. If you want to know about data monetization - 
>> focus on services you don't pay for...
>> 
> Why would there be a difference between wireless and wired? 

If you purchase MVNO from someone, those providers may do something else.  I 
think it’s also a bit interesting because some providers previously attempted 
to monetize this data, either through DNS wildcarding vs NXDOMAIN.  If it’s 
just generic “someone asked for this name” vs “this CIDR or IP requested data”.

https://tech.slashdot.org/story/14/03/11/1813226/crowdsourcing-confirms-websites-inaccessible-on-comcast

A reminder that what’s old is new again on the internet, so I’m sure we’ll see 
things come back around, bad ideas continue to come up with revenue ideas.

- Jared

Seattle Scavenger Hunt

[Wade, Clara via NANOG]

Hello Fellow NANOG 88 Attendees,

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Re: [Attendee] Welcome to NANOG 88 - Sunday Edition

[Randy Bush]

let's get to the protein.  where is the most reasonable parking near the
venue?

randy, who will soon start driving up from portland

Re: BGP routing ARIN space in APNIC region

[Randy Bush]

> Everyone should check out Massimo Candela's presentation "Geolocation
> problems: Do we have a solution?" for how to provide your own
> geolocation data...
> 
> https://www.netnod.se/sites/default/files/2023-03/Massimo_Webpage.pdf
> 
> I've seen it at recent RIPE and LACNIC conferences. Supposedly all of
> the big geolocation providers support it or are planning on supporting
> it.

we're working on an small update.  see

   https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ymbk-opsawg-9092-update/

randy

Re: BGP routing ARIN space in APNIC region

[Robert Story]

On Sat 2023-06-10 18:33:04+0200 Mark wrote:
> > [...]  you may run into geolocation issues where some geolocation
> > providers decide that many/all of your users are in one location or
> > the other,[...]
> 
> This is solvable by slicing your IPv4 prefixes into /24's and
> assigning them the correct country TLD in the ARIN WHOIS database.
> Yes, you might need to call a few geo-location providers to fix their
> back-end manually, but this is possible.

Everyone should check out Massimo Candela's presentation "Geolocation
problems: Do we have a solution?" for how to provide your own
geolocation data...

https://www.netnod.se/sites/default/files/2023-03/Massimo_Webpage.pdf

I've seen it at recent RIPE and LACNIC conferences. Supposedly all of
the big geolocation providers support it or are planning on supporting
it.

Regards,
--
Robert Story 
USC Information Sciences Institute 
Networking and Cybersecurity Division