Re: Cost of transit and options in APAC

[Christopher Hart]

"...the cost of captial, and regulatory or monopoloy capture than it does
with
some artifical lack of price equilibrium."

now that sounds like fodder for a different list ;)

On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 12:53 PM, Joel Jaeggli  wrote:

> On 8/11/10 12:29 PM, Franck Martin wrote:
> > Nice to see this change
> >
> > APAC has been obliged to pay the cost to peer with the US (long
> > distance links are expensive). Now that US wants to peer with Asia,
> > pricing may become more balanced...
>
> I think the question is more like why am I being quoted $100 A megabit
> in India for transit in India? Not why am I being charged for for the
> transport cost across the pacific.
>
> The answer has more to do with the maturity of comms infrastructure, the
> cost of captial, and regulatory or monopoloy capture than it does with
> some artifical lack of price equilibrium.
>
> > - Original Message - From: "David Ulevitch"
> >  To: na...@merit.edu Sent: Thursday, 12 August,
> > 2010 7:00:12 AM Subject: Cost of transit and options in APAC
> >
> > Hi Nanog,
> >
> > As we extend our reach into Asia, we're finding that our typical
> > carriers (see: upstreams of AS36692) who provide service to us in
> > North America and Europe are not able to offer us service in Asia
> > either (1) at all or (2) at prices remotely resembling our pricing
> > in NA and EU.  For example: Level(3) simply has no presence in Asia
> > and on the pricing side, NTT, GBLX, Verizon and others' pricing is
> > many times higher than their NA and EU pricing.  In most cases, it's
> > 10 or more times higher.
> >
> > Additionally, some of the networks seem to market their network
> > based on their reach into the US, rather than their reach into actual
> > users in Asia, which is what we're looking for.
> >
> > So my question is, what are non-APAC-based networks doing as they
> > expand into Asia for transit beyond peering with whomever will peer
> > with them to get close to actual users in Asia?
> >
> > Are people using regional carriers?  Are people just paying the
> > "crazy" (compared to US pricing) bandwidth costs?  Are people doing
> > peering-only setups out there?  Any help would be useful --
> > hopefully this is on-topic for NANOG, which I think it is, since I'm
> > curious how NA operators deal with these challenges as they expand
> > into APAC.
> >
> > I'm happy to summarize responses later if there is interest.
> >
> > Thanks, David
> >
> >
>
>
>


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Re: SA pigeon 'faster than broadband'

[Christopher Hart]

"Edible, self-replicating IP carriers are pretty special anyhow."

Mainstream IPv6 Here we come! ;)

On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 3:37 PM, Richard Bennett wrote:

> If this news had come out a little earlier, some pigeon breeding programs
> may have qualified for broadband stimulus grants. Edible, self-replicating
> IP carriers are pretty special anyhow.
>
>
> Scott Weeks wrote:
>
>> --- n...@foobar.org wrote:
>> So, good news all around.  Let's hope that IP over carrier pigeon will
>> soon become a thing of the past.
>> -
>>
>>
>> 4GB = 32Gb
>>
>> 32Gb in 2 hours is 4.45Mbps.  That's a pretty good DSL upstream bandwidth.
>>
>> scott
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> --
> Richard Bennett
> Research Fellow
> Information Technology and Innovation Foundation
> Washington, DC
>
>
>


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Re: Fiber cut in SF area

[Christopher Hart]

Rofl Matt,

I was recently laid off from my job for 'economic' reasons, what you say is
deadly accurate.
Bravo! :)

On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 7:01 PM, Matthew Petach wrote:

> On 4/13/09, George William Herbert  wrote:
> >  Matthew Petach wrote:
> >  >> George William Herbert  wrote:
> >  >>  Matthew Petach writes:
>
> [much material snipped in the interests of saving precious electron
> resources...]
>
> >  This was all in one geographical area.  Diversity out of area will get
> >  you around single points like that, if you know the overall topology
> >  of the fiber networks around the US and chose locations carefully.
> >
> >  But even that won't protect you against common mode vendor hardware
> >  failures, or a largescale BGP outage, or the routing chaos that comes
> >  with a very serious regional net outage (exchange points, major
> >  undersea cable cuts, etc)
> >
> >  There may be 4 or 5 nines, but the 1 at the end has your name on it.
>
> Ultimately, I think a .sig line I saw years back summed it up very
> succinctly:
>
> "Earth is a single point of failure."
>
> Below that, you're right, we're all just quibbling about which digits to
> put
> to the right of the decimal point.  If the entire west coast of the US
> drops
> into the ocean, yes, having my data backed up on different continents
> will help; but I'll be swimming with the sharks at that point, and won't
> really be able to care much, so the extent of my disaster planning
> tends to peter out around the point where entire states disappear,
> and most definitely doesn't even wander into the realm of entire continents
> getting cut off, or the planet getting incinerated in a massive solar
> flare.
>
> Fundamentally, though, I think it's actually good we have outages
> periodically; they help keep us employed.  When networks run too
> smoothly, management tends to look upon us as unnecessary
> overhead that can be trimmed back during the next round of
> layoffs.  The more they realize we're the only bulwark against
> the impending forces of chaos you mentioned above, the less
> likely they are to trim us off the payroll.
>
> Matt
>
> Note--tongue was firmly planted in cheek; no slight was intended
> against those who may have lost jobs recently; post was intended
> for humourous consumption only; any resemblence to useful
> content was purely coincidental and not condoned by any present
> or past employer.  Repeated exposure may be habit forming.  Do
> not read while operating heavy machinery.
>
>


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