Re: malware warning

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Brothers the latest thread is direct reference to ROGERS - CANADA   -July
08 2022 outage..   and My Ref in General..



NANOG can be considered " Com Pro Mised".. sad.. but .
True!

On Tue, Jul 18, 2023 at 8:10 PM Matt Corallo  wrote:

> I get quite a bit of spam that is a "reply" to old NANOG posts (some
> dating back a year or more).
> Seems to only happen on some specific threads, dunno why though.
>
> Definitely recommend using a nanog-specific alias and auto-spam-folder'ing
> anything to that alias
> that isn't CC nanog@nanog, that seems to get rid of it.
>
> Matt
>
> On 7/18/23 5:02 PM, Randy Bush wrote:
> > malware email is so common i normally do not warn of it.  but, in this
> > case, the attacker is extracting quotes from nanog and luring folk into
> > clicking.  e.g.
> >
> > From: takaha...@fukushitrust.com
> > Subject: Re: jon postel
> > To: Randy Bush 
> > Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2023 04:01:47 -0700
> >
> > Hello!
> >
> > We would like to present to you several alternatives for presentations
> and find out your thoughts and
> > opinions, please let us know whatever you think about it.
> >
> > https://dognibs.com/8jh/ogr/g0h436ttqbw
> >
> > Waiting for your reply
> >
> >   > Does anyone have any stories about working with or near John they >
> would like to share with the
> >   list? It would definitely make my day > to hear more about the early
> internet somewhere around i have a
> >   protocol violation ticket he issued. --- Who says that routing
> unallocated address space is ungood? --
> >   Randy Bush Routing unallocated address space is ungood! -- Jon Postel
> randy
> >
> > 
> >
> > and
> >
> > From: off...@daimontrade.com.ua
> > Subject: Re: Reverse DNS for eyeballs?
> > To: Randy Bush 
> > Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2023 02:56:36 -0700
> >
> > Hello,
> >
> > Modified paperwork regarding For this month. Kindly read through it
> attentively.
> >
> > https://soocoop.net/e24/1s0/7ckl0icu7h
> >
> > We appreciate your attention.
> >
> >   > I would say the absence of reverse DNS tells useful info to
> receiving > MTAs - to preferably not
> >   accept. yep
>


-- 
  Liz ***
416.660.5456

Re: Rogers Outage Canada

[L F]

341,296 have signed. Let’s get to 500,000!
At 500,000 signatures, this petition becomes one of the top signed on
Change.org!

On Mon, Jul 11, 2022 at 3:44 PM L F  wrote:

> FYI --- this is now making email rounds and is available to view and sign
> on CHANGE.ORG
>
>
>
> On Friday, Rogers experienced its second nationwide outage in as many
> years. Hundreds of thousands of Canadians were unable to access internet
> and cell services for hours, despite paying some of the highest fees in the
> world. Petition starter Celina is calling on the CRTC to protect Canadians
> from exorbitant cell and internet fees and more than 275,000 frustrated
> Canadians have joined her. You can show your support by signing the
> petition now.
>
> <https://click.e.change.org/f/a/apTbTnAR7N3DW6NYQSfVMw~~/AANj1QA~/RgRkruHwP4StAWh0dHBzOi8vd3d3LmNoYW5nZS5vcmcvcC9jdXRjZWxsY29zdHMtY2FuYWRpYW5zLWFyZS1iZWluZy1zY2FtbWVkLXRlbGwtdGhlLWNydGMtd2UtZGVtYW5kLWxvd2VyLWNlbGwtcGhvbmUtc2VydmljZS1jcnRjZW5nL3NpZ24_Y3NfdGs9QWp0bEtmZjYtX3hBU215WDFXSUFBWGljeXl2TnlRRUFCRjhCdkdKalZUd09fUklzdEFXSnBOV19PMVklM0QmcHQ9QVZCbGRHbDBhVzl1QU5WTDJRQUFBQUFBWXN4YzdJRG5PWWRqWkRkaU9URm1OQSUyNTNEJTI1M0Qmc291cmNlX2xvY2F0aW9uPWFhX2F1Z21lbnRlZF9zaWduX2FzayZ1dG1fY2FtcGFpZ249NjJiOWYzZDM2MzA0NGVhMWJhYWNmYmFkZDM2MjFiOTgmdXRtX2NvbnRlbnQ9aW5pdGlhbF92MF8wXzImdXRtX21lZGl1bT1lbWFpbCZ1dG1fc291cmNlPWFhX2F1Z21lbnRlZF9zaWduX2FzayZ1dG1fdGVybT1jc1cDc3BjQgpiu_VczGKYxTR0UhBkbnBjb25AZ21haWwuY29tWAQC>
> *Canadians Are Being SCAMMED - Tell the CRTC We Demand Better Cell Phone
> Service!
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>
> *276,541 have signed* Celina London’s petition. Let’s get to 300,000!
> Sign now with a click
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>
> CANADIANS ARE BEING SCAMMED!
>
> Here in Canada we pay extremely high prices for our cell phones and cable
> in comparison to countries like Australia, United Kingdom and United States
> of America.
>
> As of August 2019, a plan with 30GB data from Australia’s Vodafone network
> is $45. In Canada, major providers like Rogers and Telus charge $95 for
> 20GB at max speed.
>
> This is unethical and not okay. It’s time we stand up for our hard-earned
> dollars and demand limitations be put in place to stop the wallet gouging
> of hard-working Canadians. We must force our telecommunications companies
> to provide Canadians better service for the astronomically high price
> they’re forced to pay for what is a necessity to function in our high-tech
> society in 2019.
>
> Please act now and sign your name below to show the CRTC (Canadian
> Radio-Television and Telecommunications Commission) that we’ve had ENOUGH
> and demand a change to our current telecommunications laws and regulations
> to implement a limit on price and an immediate increase in service provided
> for both existing and new customers.
>
> Once you’ve signed please take the time to share with your friends and
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>
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>
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Re: Rogers Outage Canada

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On Mon, Jul 11, 2022 at 5:40 AM Jon Sands  wrote:

> Given the outage was so bad it was disrupting select E911 services
> nationwide for something like 24+ hours, it's great to see such an in depth
> analysis and plan of action to prevent such things in the future. bravo
> rogers
>
> On 7/10/2022 2:55 PM, L F wrote:
>
> fyi - see BOLD.
>
> A Message from Rogers President and CEO
>
>
> Dear Valued Customer,
>
> As you know, we experienced a service outage across the Rogers, Fido,
> Chatr and Cityfone wireless networks on Friday.
>
> I am reaching out to share that our services have been restored, and our
> networks and systems are close to fully operational. Our technical teams
> are continuing to monitor for any remaining intermittent issues. I also
> want to outline an action plan we are putting in place to address what
> happened.
>
> I want to share what we know about what happened on Friday. We now believe 
> *we’ve
> narrowed the cause to a network system failure following a maintenance
> update in our core network, which caused some of our routers to
> malfunction. We disconnected the specific equipment and redirected traffic,*
> which allowed our network and services to come back online over time as we
> managed traffic volumes returning to normal levels.
>
>
>
> On Sat, Jul 9, 2022 at 9:09 PM L F  wrote:
>
>>
>> Lest we ALL MOVE ON….
>>
>>
>> Yes he said
>>
>> “RETARD” =
>>
>> The delay in processing the current status of a Situation…
>>
>>
>> Lets move on to bigger n scarier Post mortems:
>>
>>
>> Was This or Was this NOT
>>
>> A CYBERATTACK ???
>>
>> Done.
>>
>> Lets deal with REAL threats not PC references.
>>
>> Time to evaluate n re eval Our NTS!!
>>
>> Veni vidi vici 2022
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Jul 9, 2022 at 5:01 PM Eric Kuhnke  wrote:
>>
>>> Can we have a discussion with the list admins about a list member
>>> appending a threat of violence to their outbound emails?  Whether serious
>>> or not.
>>>
>>> Does this person need directions to some local mental healthcare
>>> resources?
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, 9 Jul 2022 at 08:48, Keith Medcalf  wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> >I can't either, but the reality right now seems to be that 911 calls
>>>> are
>>>> >failing for anyone on a Rogers cellphone.
>>>>
>>>> This is par for the course.  These people chose to deal with Rogers
>>>> despite knowing the consequences.  It is like if you bought a Rogers
>>>> Snowblower and it did not work.  That would mean that people who bought the
>>>> Rogers Snowblower will not be using it to get rid of the snow that is
>>>> preventing them from leaving their house.
>>>>
>>>> Mutatis mutandis when Rogers is down things that are Rogers dependent
>>>> will not work.
>>>>
>>>> Some people are so retarded it is astonishing!
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> (CAUTION) You are advised that if you attack my person or property, you
>>>> will be put down in accordance with the provisions of section 34 & 35 of
>>>> the Criminal Code resp

Re: Rogers Outage Canada

[L F]

fyi - see BOLD.

A Message from Rogers President and CEO

Dear Valued Customer,

As you know, we experienced a service outage across the Rogers, Fido, Chatr
and Cityfone wireless networks on Friday.

I am reaching out to share that our services have been restored, and our
networks and systems are close to fully operational. Our technical teams
are continuing to monitor for any remaining intermittent issues. I also
want to outline an action plan we are putting in place to address what
happened.

I want to share what we know about what happened on Friday. We now
believe *we’ve
narrowed the cause to a network system failure following a maintenance
update in our core network, which caused some of our routers to
malfunction. We disconnected the specific equipment and redirected traffic,*
which allowed our network and services to come back online over time as we
managed traffic volumes returning to normal levels.



On Sat, Jul 9, 2022 at 9:09 PM L F  wrote:

>
> Lest we ALL MOVE ON….
>
>
> Yes he said
>
> “RETARD” =
>
> The delay in processing the current status of a Situation…
>
>
> Lets move on to bigger n scarier Post mortems:
>
>
> Was This or Was this NOT
>
> A CYBERATTACK ???
>
> Done.
>
> Lets deal with REAL threats not PC references.
>
> Time to evaluate n re eval Our NTS!!
>
> Veni vidi vici 2022
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, Jul 9, 2022 at 5:01 PM Eric Kuhnke  wrote:
>
>> Can we have a discussion with the list admins about a list member
>> appending a threat of violence to their outbound emails?  Whether serious
>> or not.
>>
>> Does this person need directions to some local mental healthcare
>> resources?
>>
>>
>> On Sat, 9 Jul 2022 at 08:48, Keith Medcalf  wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> >I can't either, but the reality right now seems to be that 911 calls are
>>> >failing for anyone on a Rogers cellphone.
>>>
>>> This is par for the course.  These people chose to deal with Rogers
>>> despite knowing the consequences.  It is like if you bought a Rogers
>>> Snowblower and it did not work.  That would mean that people who bought the
>>> Rogers Snowblower will not be using it to get rid of the snow that is
>>> preventing them from leaving their house.
>>>
>>> Mutatis mutandis when Rogers is down things that are Rogers dependent
>>> will not work.
>>>
>>> Some people are so retarded it is astonishing!
>>>
>>> --
>>> (CAUTION) You are advised that if you attack my person or property, you
>>> will be put down in accordance with the provisions of section 34 & 35 of
>>> the Criminal Code respectively.  If you are brandishing (or in possession)
>>> of a weapon then lethal force will be applied to your person in accordance
>>> with the law.  This means that your misadventures may end in your death.
>>> Consider yourself cautioned and govern your actions appropriately.
>>>
>>> >-Original Message-
>>> >From: NANOG  On Behalf Of
>>> >Eric Kuhnke
>>> >Sent: Friday, 8 July, 2022 13:34
>>> >To: jim deleskie 
>>> >Cc: NANOG list 
>>> >Subject: Re: Rogers Outage Canada
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >I have seen anecdotal reports that the mobile network is in a half
>>> broken
>>> >state that phones remain registered to, so a 911 call will attempt and
>>> >then fail.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >This is unlike what would happen if you had a US/Canada cellphone with
>>> >battery power but no SIM card in it that would search for any available
>>> >network in RF range for a 911 call if needed.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >On Fri, 8 Jul 2022 at 12:31, jim deleskie >> ><mailto:deles...@gmail.com> > wrote:
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >   i cant see BGP taking out SS7.
>>> >
>>> >   -jim
>>> >
>>> >   On Fri, Jul 8, 2022 at 2:45 PM Snowmobile2004
>>> >mailto:greenjosh6...@gmail.com> > wrote:
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >   According to Cloudflare Radar
>>> ><https://radar.cloudflare.com/asn/812?date_filter=last_24_hours> ,
>>> Rogers
>>> >BGP announcements spiked massively to levels 536,777% higher than normal
>>> >(343,601 vs 64 normally) just minutes before the outage. I would not be
>>> >surprised if this happened to be the culprit.
>>> >
>>> >   Regards,
>>> >   Josh Green
>>> >
&

Re: Rogers Outage Canada

[L F]

Lest we ALL MOVE ON….


Yes he said

“RETARD” =

The delay in processing the current status of a Situation…


Lets move on to bigger n scarier Post mortems:


Was This or Was this NOT

A CYBERATTACK ???

Done.

Lets deal with REAL threats not PC references.

Time to evaluate n re eval Our NTS!!

Veni vidi vici 2022




On Sat, Jul 9, 2022 at 5:01 PM Eric Kuhnke  wrote:

> Can we have a discussion with the list admins about a list member
> appending a threat of violence to their outbound emails?  Whether serious
> or not.
>
> Does this person need directions to some local mental healthcare resources?
>
>
> On Sat, 9 Jul 2022 at 08:48, Keith Medcalf  wrote:
>
>>
>> >I can't either, but the reality right now seems to be that 911 calls are
>> >failing for anyone on a Rogers cellphone.
>>
>> This is par for the course.  These people chose to deal with Rogers
>> despite knowing the consequences.  It is like if you bought a Rogers
>> Snowblower and it did not work.  That would mean that people who bought the
>> Rogers Snowblower will not be using it to get rid of the snow that is
>> preventing them from leaving their house.
>>
>> Mutatis mutandis when Rogers is down things that are Rogers dependent
>> will not work.
>>
>> Some people are so retarded it is astonishing!
>>
>> --
>> (CAUTION) You are advised that if you attack my person or property, you
>> will be put down in accordance with the provisions of section 34 & 35 of
>> the Criminal Code respectively.  If you are brandishing (or in possession)
>> of a weapon then lethal force will be applied to your person in accordance
>> with the law.  This means that your misadventures may end in your death.
>> Consider yourself cautioned and govern your actions appropriately.
>>
>> >-Original Message-
>> >From: NANOG  On Behalf Of
>> >Eric Kuhnke
>> >Sent: Friday, 8 July, 2022 13:34
>> >To: jim deleskie 
>> >Cc: NANOG list 
>> >Subject: Re: Rogers Outage Canada
>> >
>> >
>> >I have seen anecdotal reports that the mobile network is in a half broken
>> >state that phones remain registered to, so a 911 call will attempt and
>> >then fail.
>> >
>> >
>> >This is unlike what would happen if you had a US/Canada cellphone with
>> >battery power but no SIM card in it that would search for any available
>> >network in RF range for a 911 call if needed.
>> >
>> >
>> >On Fri, 8 Jul 2022 at 12:31, jim deleskie > > > wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >   i cant see BGP taking out SS7.
>> >
>> >   -jim
>> >
>> >   On Fri, Jul 8, 2022 at 2:45 PM Snowmobile2004
>> >mailto:greenjosh6...@gmail.com> > wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >   According to Cloudflare Radar
>> > ,
>> Rogers
>> >BGP announcements spiked massively to levels 536,777% higher than normal
>> >(343,601 vs 64 normally) just minutes before the outage. I would not be
>> >surprised if this happened to be the culprit.
>> >
>> >   Regards,
>> >   Josh Green
>> >
>> >   On Fri, Jul 8, 2022 at 2:19 PM Andrew Paolucci via NANOG
>> >mailto:nanog@nanog.org> > wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >   In the early hours of the morning around 2-3am my
>> modem
>> >got hit with a configuration update that caused a DHCP release that
>> >wasn't renewed for about two hours, after rollback the connection was
>> >fine for 3 hours before this network wide outage.
>> >
>> >
>> >   Maybe a failed night time update was attempted
>> again
>> >during office hours, I've heard daytime guys are still WFH and night
>> >shift is in building.
>> >
>> >
>> >   I expect we'll never get a real explanation.
>> Rogers is
>> >notorious for withholding any type of helpful or technical information.
>> >
>> >
>> >   Sent from my inoperable Rogers Mobile via
>> emergency eSIM.
>> >
>> >
>> >   Regards,
>> >
>> >   Andrew Paolucci
>> >    Original Message 
>> >   On Jul. 8, 2022, 1:48 p.m., Jay Hennigan <
>> j...@west.net
>> > > wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >   On 7/8/22 07:44, Robert DeVita wrote: >
>> Does anyone
>> >have information on a widespread Rogers outage in Canada. I > have
>> >customers with multiple sites down. There's discussion on the Outages
>> >mailing list. Seems widespread, affecting all services, mobile, voice,
>> >Internet. No cause or ETR posted yet. -- Jay Hennigan - j...@west.net
>> >  Network Engineering - CCIE #7880 503 897-8550 -
>> >WB6RDV
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >   --
>> >
>> >   Josh Green.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
  Liz ***
416.660.5456

Re: LEC copper removal from commercial properties

[L F]

Noted!!!



On Wed, Feb 16, 2022 at 10:39 PM  wrote:

> As I posted earlier, it’s supposed to be 19-72A1.
>
> Shane
>
> > On Feb 16, 2022, at 10:30 PM, Jay Hennigan  wrote:
> >
> > On 2/16/22 18:20, Brandon Svec via NANOG wrote:
> >> I found an alarmist email from a provider that I have not fact checked
> that states-
> >> The FCC has issued Order 10-72A1 that mandates that a*ll POTS Lines in
> the USA be replaced with an alternative service by August 2, 2022.*
> >
> > Fake news. That's from 2010. Word search for "copper" returns nothing.
> >
> > https://docs.fcc.gov/public/attachments/FCC-10-72A1.pdf
> >
> > --
> > Jay Hennigan - j...@west.net
> > Network Engineering - CCIE #7880
> > 503 897-8550 - WB6RDV
>
-- 
  Liz ***
416.660.5456

Re: LEC copper removal from commercial properties

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Noted

But retirees ...???

Against an Element that has its own place on the  Periodic Table of
Elements

Kind of funny how new homes now are built with blue n red Plastic tubing
for water!!

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Ju $ayin

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On Wed, Feb 16, 2022 at 9:25 PM Paul Emmons  wrote:

> Saw this
>
>
> https://www.nojitter.com/consultant-perspectives/decommissioning-copper-gets-real
>
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Re: LEC copper removal from commercial properties

[L F]

>
> Watching the Spot Price
>
> AIP sounds Suspicious
>
> In the Ol’ days CO’s would be broken into
> And the Cu stolen... even the Telco cutoffs disappeared!
>
> Prices are exponentially Higher now!
>
>
> H
>
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 16, 2022 at 9:17 PM Martin Hannigan 
> wrote:
>
>>
>> Looks like its abandon in place "AIP" from the agreement.
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 16, 2022 at 9:03 PM L F  wrote:
>>
>>> Who becomes the Beneficial Owner of the Copper once Removed?
>>>
>>>
>>> Just Curious.
>>>
>>>
>>> LF
>>>
>>> On Wed, Feb 16, 2022 at 9:01 PM Martin Hannigan 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> NANOG'ers;
>>>>
>>>> At least in Boston, commercial property owners are receiving notices
>>>> that 'copper  lines are being removed per FCC rules' and replaced with
>>>> fiber. The property owner, not the network operators (or users of unbundled
>>>> elements if that's even still a thing) are being presented with an
>>>> agreement that acknowledges the removal, authorizes the fiber installation
>>>> and provides for a minor oversight of the design. It suggests that no costs
>>>> are involved in terms of hosting equipment. No power reimbursement. No rent
>>>> for spaces used.
>>>>
>>>> There is an ominous paragraph in the letter that says if the property
>>>> owner doesn't comply that tenants will lose all services including elevator
>>>> phones, alarms, voice, internet and any copper/ds0 originated services.
>>>> They didn't say 911, but that would go without saying.
>>>>
>>>> Has anyone heard of this?
>>>> What FCC rule requires this?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for any insights.
>>>>
>>>> Warm regards,
>>>>
>>>> Martin
>>>>
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>>> 416.660.5456
>>>
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>   Liz ***
> 416.660.5456
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Re: LEC copper removal from commercial properties

[L F]

Who becomes the Beneficial Owner of the Copper once Removed?


Just Curious.


LF

On Wed, Feb 16, 2022 at 9:01 PM Martin Hannigan  wrote:

>
> NANOG'ers;
>
> At least in Boston, commercial property owners are receiving notices that
> 'copper  lines are being removed per FCC rules' and replaced with fiber.
> The property owner, not the network operators (or users of unbundled
> elements if that's even still a thing) are being presented with an
> agreement that acknowledges the removal, authorizes the fiber installation
> and provides for a minor oversight of the design. It suggests that no costs
> are involved in terms of hosting equipment. No power reimbursement. No rent
> for spaces used.
>
> There is an ominous paragraph in the letter that says if the property
> owner doesn't comply that tenants will lose all services including elevator
> phones, alarms, voice, internet and any copper/ds0 originated services.
> They didn't say 911, but that would go without saying.
>
> Has anyone heard of this?
> What FCC rule requires this?
>
> Thanks for any insights.
>
> Warm regards,
>
> Martin
>
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  Liz ***
416.660.5456