RE: $ 90 million fine for cutting Internet services

2011-05-29 Thread Keith Medcalf

Daniel Belin wrote on 2011-05-28:

> Interesting, there now seems to be a trend of middle eastern countries
> cutting themselves off from the Internet,

> I think we will see more of this kind of behavior happening in the next
> few years, as the web has become a real threat to totalitarian and
> oppressive governments.

I believe the United States was the first with that idea.

--- Keith Medcalf
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Re: $ 90 million fine for cutting Internet services

2011-05-28 Thread Jared Mauch

On May 28, 2011, at 3:23 PM, ML wrote:

> Can I fine TEDATA for committing VoIP fraud against my network during that 
> same time period?

Running a SIP honeypot will help you identify who the bad actors are here.

There's a few numbers (and countries) to make sure you block.  You should be 
able to find them within a week or at most four based on their scan patterns.  
The sad part is the test numbers they hit are generally in the UK to identify 
if the call actually makes it out.  Seems like someone should arrest the owners 
of those numbers.

- Jared


Re: $ 90 million fine for cutting Internet services

2011-05-28 Thread Daniel Belin
Interesting, there now seems to be a trend of middle eastern countries cutting 
themselves off from the Internet,

http://blogs.pcmag.com/securitywatch/2011/05/iran_plans_to_cut_off_from_the.php

I think we will see more of this kind of behavior happening in the next few 
years, as the web has become a real threat to totalitarian and oppressive 
governments.  

--
Daniel Belin



On May 28, 2011, at 4:00 PM, Zaid Ali  wrote:

> I am a little skeptic that this fine imposed is because the government truly 
> believes in Internet freedom. Many factions of the Egyptian government was to 
> get as much money out of Mubarak as they can and this might be a way to do 
> just that. What would be interesting is if there is a law passed preventing 
> any member of the government from cutting off Internet access.
> 
> Zaid
> 
> On May 28, 2011, at 12:23 PM, ML wrote:
> 
>> On 5/28/2011 12:18 PM, Marshall Eubanks wrote:
>>> I remember some discussion of this outage on NANOG, and on what it was 
>>> costing Egypt. Well, here is
>>> an estimate - almost $ 20 million USD / day (which actually sounds low to 
>>> me).
>>> 
>>> Regards
>>> Marshall
>>> 
>>> 
>>> http://english.aljazeera.net/news/africa/2011/05/201152811555458677.html
>>> 
>>> An Egyptian court has fined ousted president Hosni Mubarak and former 
>>> officials more than $90m for cutting off access to internet and mobile 
>>> phone services during the country's massive protests in January.
>>> 
>>> A court source told the Reuters news agency on Saturday that Mubarak's fine 
>>> is $34m, former interior minister Habib al-Adly will owe $53m, and former 
>>> prime minister Ahmed Nazif has a fine of $7m.
>>> 
>>> The fine is to be paid from personal assets...
>> 
>> Can I fine TEDATA for committing VoIP fraud against my network during that 
>> same time period?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
> 
> 



Re: $ 90 million fine for cutting Internet services

2011-05-28 Thread Zaid Ali
I am a little skeptic that this fine imposed is because the government truly 
believes in Internet freedom. Many factions of the Egyptian government was to 
get as much money out of Mubarak as they can and this might be a way to do just 
that. What would be interesting is if there is a law passed preventing any 
member of the government from cutting off Internet access.

Zaid

On May 28, 2011, at 12:23 PM, ML wrote:

> On 5/28/2011 12:18 PM, Marshall Eubanks wrote:
>> I remember some discussion of this outage on NANOG, and on what it was 
>> costing Egypt. Well, here is
>> an estimate - almost $ 20 million USD / day (which actually sounds low to 
>> me).
>> 
>> Regards
>> Marshall
>> 
>> 
>> http://english.aljazeera.net/news/africa/2011/05/201152811555458677.html
>> 
>> An Egyptian court has fined ousted president Hosni Mubarak and former 
>> officials more than $90m for cutting off access to internet and mobile phone 
>> services during the country's massive protests in January.
>> 
>> A court source told the Reuters news agency on Saturday that Mubarak's fine 
>> is $34m, former interior minister Habib al-Adly will owe $53m, and former 
>> prime minister Ahmed Nazif has a fine of $7m.
>> 
>> The fine is to be paid from personal assets...
> 
> Can I fine TEDATA for committing VoIP fraud against my network during that 
> same time period?
> 
> 
> 
> 




Re: $ 90 million fine for cutting Internet services

2011-05-28 Thread ML

On 5/28/2011 12:18 PM, Marshall Eubanks wrote:

I remember some discussion of this outage on NANOG, and on what it was costing 
Egypt. Well, here is
an estimate - almost $ 20 million USD / day (which actually sounds low to me).

Regards
Marshall


http://english.aljazeera.net/news/africa/2011/05/201152811555458677.html

An Egyptian court has fined ousted president Hosni Mubarak and former officials 
more than $90m for cutting off access to internet and mobile phone services 
during the country's massive protests in January.

A court source told the Reuters news agency on Saturday that Mubarak's fine is 
$34m, former interior minister Habib al-Adly will owe $53m, and former prime 
minister Ahmed Nazif has a fine of $7m.

The fine is to be paid from personal assets...


Can I fine TEDATA for committing VoIP fraud against my network during 
that same time period?







$ 90 million fine for cutting Internet services

2011-05-28 Thread Marshall Eubanks
I remember some discussion of this outage on NANOG, and on what it was costing 
Egypt. Well, here is
an estimate - almost $ 20 million USD / day (which actually sounds low to me). 

Regards
Marshall


http://english.aljazeera.net/news/africa/2011/05/201152811555458677.html

An Egyptian court has fined ousted president Hosni Mubarak and former officials 
more than $90m for cutting off access to internet and mobile phone services 
during the country's massive protests in January.

A court source told the Reuters news agency on Saturday that Mubarak's fine is 
$34m, former interior minister Habib al-Adly will owe $53m, and former prime 
minister Ahmed Nazif has a fine of $7m.

The fine is to be paid from personal assets...