RE: [BULK] Verizon exiting California
I don't live in a new suburban community with modern utilities. Well, the 50 year-old water main on my street was replaced about 10 years ago. We haven't suffered major flooding like UCLA experienced last year. My house was built in 1930. Much of that telco copper is pushing 70 years old or more. Some is above ground and some is underground. Until recently, the underground vault would flood whenever it rained. The b-box uses screw-type terminals, not even 66 or BIX. Thank you GTE. matthew black california state university, long beach -Original Message- From: Andrew Carey [mailto:ca...@ar-ballbat.org] Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2015 10:02 AM To: Matthew Black Cc: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: [BULK] Verizon exiting California > On Aug 3, 2015, at 10:09, Matthew Black wrote: > > I ran a few Google searches and came across a trove of complaints against > Frontier. Seems they are far worse than GTE/Verizon. On the few occasions I > have called for FIOS support, always reached someone knowledgeable and > helpful. Not looking forward to the changeover, as the new owners have to pay > off debts from their acquisition. That can only be accomplished through rate > increases. I see a Verizon tech outside my kitchen window every two to three > days as he replaces two nitrogen tanks keeping copper trunks pressurized > against water intrusion. Cutting expenses is another (well, and selling more too). Properly engineered/maintained cable should not require that level of constant attention.
Re: [BULK] Verizon exiting California
> On Aug 3, 2015, at 10:09, Matthew Black wrote: > > I ran a few Google searches and came across a trove of complaints against > Frontier. Seems they are far worse than GTE/Verizon. On the few occasions I > have called for FIOS support, always reached someone knowledgeable and > helpful. Not looking forward to the changeover, as the new owners have to pay > off debts from their acquisition. That can only be accomplished through rate > increases. I see a Verizon tech outside my kitchen window every two to three > days as he replaces two nitrogen tanks keeping copper trunks pressurized > against water intrusion. Cutting expenses is another (well, and selling more too). Properly engineered/maintained cable should not require that level of constant attention.
Re: [BULK] Verizon exiting California
"Revision 7 (8/3/2006) " That now explains why they were talking about ATM exchanges and DS3 international links... Speaking of Frontier peering... does anyone have a contact over there? They haven't responded to my e-mail. I didn't send more than one (I think) because I didn't want to be annoying. Some may call that an impossible task. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com - Original Message - From: "Adam Rothschild" To: "Christopher Morrow" Cc: nanog@nanog.org Sent: Monday, August 3, 2015 1:37:11 PM Subject: Re: [BULK] Verizon exiting California An additional advantage for Frontier customers, post acquisition: http://ipadmin.frontier.com/bilateralpeering_policy.pdf http://www.verizonenterprise.com/terms/peering/ $0.02, -a On Mon, Aug 3, 2015 at 2:12 PM, Christopher Morrow wrote: > On Mon, Aug 3, 2015 at 1:09 PM, Matthew Black > wrote: > > I ran a few Google searches and came across a trove of complaints > against Frontier. Seems they are far worse than GTE/Verizon. On the few > occasions I have called for FIOS support, always reached someone > knowledgeable and helpful. Not looking forward to the changeover, as the > new owners have to pay off debts from their acquisition. That can only be > accomplished through rate increases. I see a Verizon tech outside my > kitchen window every two to three days as he replaces two nitrogen tanks > keeping copper trunks pressurized against water intrusion. > > > > though, on the positive side... maybe you'll see ipv6 on frontier fios > before the heat death of the universe? (*which is when vz fios folk > will see it, apparently). >
Re: [BULK] Verizon exiting California
An additional advantage for Frontier customers, post acquisition: http://ipadmin.frontier.com/bilateralpeering_policy.pdf http://www.verizonenterprise.com/terms/peering/ $0.02, -a On Mon, Aug 3, 2015 at 2:12 PM, Christopher Morrow wrote: > On Mon, Aug 3, 2015 at 1:09 PM, Matthew Black > wrote: > > I ran a few Google searches and came across a trove of complaints > against Frontier. Seems they are far worse than GTE/Verizon. On the few > occasions I have called for FIOS support, always reached someone > knowledgeable and helpful. Not looking forward to the changeover, as the > new owners have to pay off debts from their acquisition. That can only be > accomplished through rate increases. I see a Verizon tech outside my > kitchen window every two to three days as he replaces two nitrogen tanks > keeping copper trunks pressurized against water intrusion. > > > > though, on the positive side... maybe you'll see ipv6 on frontier fios > before the heat death of the universe? (*which is when vz fios folk > will see it, apparently). >
Re: [BULK] Verizon exiting California
On Mon, Aug 3, 2015 at 1:09 PM, Matthew Black wrote: > I ran a few Google searches and came across a trove of complaints against > Frontier. Seems they are far worse than GTE/Verizon. On the few occasions I > have called for FIOS support, always reached someone knowledgeable and > helpful. Not looking forward to the changeover, as the new owners have to pay > off debts from their acquisition. That can only be accomplished through rate > increases. I see a Verizon tech outside my kitchen window every two to three > days as he replaces two nitrogen tanks keeping copper trunks pressurized > against water intrusion. > though, on the positive side... maybe you'll see ipv6 on frontier fios before the heat death of the universe? (*which is when vz fios folk will see it, apparently).
RE: [BULK] Verizon exiting California
I ran a few Google searches and came across a trove of complaints against Frontier. Seems they are far worse than GTE/Verizon. On the few occasions I have called for FIOS support, always reached someone knowledgeable and helpful. Not looking forward to the changeover, as the new owners have to pay off debts from their acquisition. That can only be accomplished through rate increases. I see a Verizon tech outside my kitchen window every two to three days as he replaces two nitrogen tanks keeping copper trunks pressurized against water intrusion. matthew black california state university, long beach -Original Message- From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Mike Sent: Friday, July 31, 2015 7:33 AM To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: [BULK] Verizon exiting California On 07/31/2015 06:27 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: > Can anyone else back that up (or refute it)? > > I am a CLEC operating in California west, and I collocate with verizon. Yes, Verizon is proposing to sell it's wireline assets to Frontier and become effectively an all-wireless carrier. Frontier is going to get a patchwork of ancient switches and poorly maintained outside plant, in rural areas that would require tens of millions of dollars in upgrades for sparely populaed areas it could never turn a profit on. I seriously wonder about the viability of taking on the debt to get those areas and even just maintain them, vz itself has done a very poor job and it presently operates a network where E911 routinely fails along with pots for many, for weeks at a time. And somehow, Verizon has been allowed to skate along without being held to the fire for it's mandated utility / carrier of last resort obligations. I worry that Frontier, with all the new added debt obligations, will not able to swallow this pill. Mike-
Re: [BULK] Verizon exiting California
Well, I meant the VZB network. The landline network transaction is confirmed by their press release. Frontier knows what they're getting into. They bought our Verizon landline operations years ago. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "Mike" To: nanog@nanog.org Sent: Friday, July 31, 2015 9:32:49 AM Subject: Re: [BULK] Verizon exiting California On 07/31/2015 06:27 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: > Can anyone else back that up (or refute it)? > > I am a CLEC operating in California west, and I collocate with verizon. Yes, Verizon is proposing to sell it's wireline assets to Frontier and become effectively an all-wireless carrier. Frontier is going to get a patchwork of ancient switches and poorly maintained outside plant, in rural areas that would require tens of millions of dollars in upgrades for sparely populaed areas it could never turn a profit on. I seriously wonder about the viability of taking on the debt to get those areas and even just maintain them, vz itself has done a very poor job and it presently operates a network where E911 routinely fails along with pots for many, for weeks at a time. And somehow, Verizon has been allowed to skate along without being held to the fire for it's mandated utility / carrier of last resort obligations. I worry that Frontier, with all the new added debt obligations, will not able to swallow this pill. Mike-
Re: [BULK] Verizon exiting California
I work on E911 systems and the infrastructure that monitors E911 call distribution and integrity. California E911 is part of a nationwide management system operated out of the DC area. California’s E911 exceeds all the mandated reliability requirements. The most problematic part of E911 is cellular call handling, because of geolocation factors that make calls more complex to dispatch. and that part of the system is staying with Verizon. So your claim that E911 “routinely fails…for weeks at a time” isn’t borne out by monitoring records, unless you have some unpublished data to share. -mel > On Jul 31, 2015, at 7:32 AM, Mike wrote: > > On 07/31/2015 06:27 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: >> Can anyone else back that up (or refute it)? >> >> > > > I am a CLEC operating in California west, and I collocate with verizon. Yes, > Verizon is proposing to sell it's wireline assets to Frontier and become > effectively an all-wireless carrier. > > > Frontier is going to get a patchwork of ancient switches and poorly > maintained outside plant, in rural areas that would require tens of millions > of dollars in upgrades for sparely populaed areas it could never turn a > profit on. I seriously wonder about the viability of taking on the debt to > get those areas and even just maintain them, vz itself has done a very poor > job and it presently operates a network where E911 routinely fails along with > pots for many, for weeks at a time. And somehow, Verizon has been allowed to > skate along without being held to the fire for it's mandated utility / > carrier of last resort obligations. > > I worry that Frontier, with all the new added debt obligations, will not able > to swallow this pill. > > Mike- >
Re: [BULK] Verizon exiting California
On Fri, Jul 31, 2015 at 10:32 AM, Mike wrote: > > I am a CLEC operating in California west, and I collocate with verizon. Yes, > Verizon is proposing to sell it's wireline assets to Frontier and become > effectively an all-wireless carrier. clec functions don't necessarily equate to 'verizon business' work though... nor, typically, does 'wireline assets' (typically this denotes "pstn" or it's equivalent these days). it'd be very funny to see 701 sold to 209 though :)
Re: [BULK] Verizon exiting California
On 07/31/2015 06:27 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: Can anyone else back that up (or refute it)? I am a CLEC operating in California west, and I collocate with verizon. Yes, Verizon is proposing to sell it's wireline assets to Frontier and become effectively an all-wireless carrier. Frontier is going to get a patchwork of ancient switches and poorly maintained outside plant, in rural areas that would require tens of millions of dollars in upgrades for sparely populaed areas it could never turn a profit on. I seriously wonder about the viability of taking on the debt to get those areas and even just maintain them, vz itself has done a very poor job and it presently operates a network where E911 routinely fails along with pots for many, for weeks at a time. And somehow, Verizon has been allowed to skate along without being held to the fire for it's mandated utility / carrier of last resort obligations. I worry that Frontier, with all the new added debt obligations, will not able to swallow this pill. Mike-
Re: [BULK] Verizon exiting California
Can anyone else back that up (or refute it)? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "Colton Conor" To: "Robert Glover" Cc: "North American Network Operators' Group (nanog@nanog.org)" Sent: Friday, July 31, 2015 7:43:01 AM Subject: Re: [BULK] Verizon exiting California Word on the street is that Verizon business/enterprise is about to be sold to Centrylink as well. Seems Verizon soon will only be Verizon Wireless. On Thu, Jul 30, 2015 at 12:05 PM, Robert Glover wrote: > On 7/30/2015 9:26 AM, Matthew Black wrote: > >> Verizon sent me a letter the other day stating that they are selling >> their landline business to Frontier Communications. It was a very terse >> letter and as a customer I don't know if it affects me. While stating they >> aren't exiting the Wireless business, I want to know which parts are being >> sold off. Just the copper lines, POTS, DSL, FIOS (TV, Internet, phone)? >> Some clarity would be great. I am a FIOS only customer. Can anyone recall >> if GTE was blocked from doing the same thing a few decades ago? >> >> matthew black >> california state university, long beach >> > > All wireline assets in the Verizon West footprint (California, Texas, and > Tampa, FL area) are being aquired by Frontier > > Here's the Press Release from Frontier: > http://investor.frontier.com/releasedetail.cfm?ReleaseID=895055 > > All wireless assets remain with Verizon. >
Re: [BULK] Verizon exiting California
Word on the street is that Verizon business/enterprise is about to be sold to Centrylink as well. Seems Verizon soon will only be Verizon Wireless. On Thu, Jul 30, 2015 at 12:05 PM, Robert Glover wrote: > On 7/30/2015 9:26 AM, Matthew Black wrote: > >> Verizon sent me a letter the other day stating that they are selling >> their landline business to Frontier Communications. It was a very terse >> letter and as a customer I don't know if it affects me. While stating they >> aren't exiting the Wireless business, I want to know which parts are being >> sold off. Just the copper lines, POTS, DSL, FIOS (TV, Internet, phone)? >> Some clarity would be great. I am a FIOS only customer. Can anyone recall >> if GTE was blocked from doing the same thing a few decades ago? >> >> matthew black >> california state university, long beach >> > > All wireline assets in the Verizon West footprint (California, Texas, and > Tampa, FL area) are being aquired by Frontier > > Here's the Press Release from Frontier: > http://investor.frontier.com/releasedetail.cfm?ReleaseID=895055 > > All wireless assets remain with Verizon. >
Re: [BULK] Verizon exiting California
On 7/30/2015 9:26 AM, Matthew Black wrote: Verizon sent me a letter the other day stating that they are selling their landline business to Frontier Communications. It was a very terse letter and as a customer I don't know if it affects me. While stating they aren't exiting the Wireless business, I want to know which parts are being sold off. Just the copper lines, POTS, DSL, FIOS (TV, Internet, phone)? Some clarity would be great. I am a FIOS only customer. Can anyone recall if GTE was blocked from doing the same thing a few decades ago? matthew black california state university, long beach All wireline assets in the Verizon West footprint (California, Texas, and Tampa, FL area) are being aquired by Frontier Here's the Press Release from Frontier: http://investor.frontier.com/releasedetail.cfm?ReleaseID=895055 All wireless assets remain with Verizon.
