Re: [EXT] Shining a light on ambulance chasers - Noction
Ask for 1 or 10Gbps DIA at increasingly more difficult and preposterous locations, such as Dead Horse, Alaska (the North end of the Alaska pipeline, at the Arctic ocean) or Konduz, Afghanistan. On Wed, Mar 25, 2020, 2:54 PM Shawn L via NANOG wrote: > And here I actually went to their website (not Cogent -- they still call > me all the time as well) to see what they sell. > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > From: "Kaiser, Erich" > Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2020 5:50pm > To: "NANOG list" > Subject: Re: [EXT] Shining a light on ambulance chasers - Noction > > Cogent calls me about 2-3 times a week. TIme to start re-routing their > calls back to them.. > > Erich Kaiser > On Wed, Mar 25, 2020 at 3:29 PM Chuck Anderson wrote: > >> Someone should tell them what happened to Cogent for scraping ARIN WHOIS. >> >> On Wed, Mar 25, 2020 at 04:13:51PM -0400, Rodney Joffe wrote: >> > Under the heading of sales spam from our community that is in even >> poorer taste, and sucks: >> > >> > >> > Begin forwarded message: >> > >> > > From: Josh Ankin >> > > Subject: BGP Management >> > > Date: March 25, 2020 at 3:39:02 PM EDT >> > > To: rjo...@centergate.com >> > > Reply-To: jan...@noction.com >> > > >> > > Hello Rodney, >> > > >> > > I know things are pretty hectic right now with COVID-19 precautions >> being taken everywhere. I hope it's not affecting your team too much, and >> most importantly, I hope everyone is safe. >> > > >> > > In recent months, I've been trying to bring your attention to BGP >> optimization. However, our solution's other notable features can be of >> utmost value at these uncertain times as the Internet traffic volumes and >> patterns change >> > >> > Etc Etc > >
Re: [EXT] Shining a light on ambulance chasers - Noction
On Wed, Mar 25, 2020 at 08:13:58PM -0400, Chuck Anderson wrote: > Let's start a public blacklist, sort of like a RBL reputation block > list or 800notes.com, but for companies to "never to do business with" > for spamming. So it shall be done. Nominations accepted at: nanog-spamm...@firemountain.net Of course, someone/something is going to harvest that address and self-nominate, but that's a feature, not a bug. Send either references that I can check by going through my archives of this list, i.e. grep'able strings or send messages themselves, preferably quoted with full headers. I'll figure out how to publish it. Note that this isn't a high priority at the moment, so it may be a while before I plow through what's received. ---rsk
Re: [EXT] Shining a light on ambulance chasers - Noction
On Thu, Mar 26, 2020 at 01:39:20PM -0700, Sabri Berisha wrote: > - On Mar 25, 2020, at 5:13 PM, Chuck Anderson c...@wpi.edu wrote: > > > Let's start a public blacklist, sort of like a RBL reputation block list or > > 800notes.com, but for companies to "never to do business with" for spamming. > > And while we're doing that, let's add the organizations that add "[EXT]" to > subject lines on a public mailinglist. Sure, feel free to block mine.
Re: [EXT] Shining a light on ambulance chasers - Noction
- On Mar 25, 2020, at 5:13 PM, Chuck Anderson c...@wpi.edu wrote: > Let's start a public blacklist, sort of like a RBL reputation block list or > 800notes.com, but for companies to "never to do business with" for spamming. And while we're doing that, let's add the organizations that add "[EXT]" to subject lines on a public mailinglist. Thanks, Sabri
Re: [EXT] Shining a light on ambulance chasers - Noction
On Thu, Mar 26, 2020 at 9:50 AM Tom Beecher wrote: > > Their device by itself did not leak anything, no. But it was the thing that > created the more specifics that were then leaked due to other errors. "In order to further reduce the likelihood of these problems occurring in the future, we will be adding a feature within Noction IRP to give an option to tag all the more specific prefixes that it generates with the BGP NO_EXPORT community. ***This will not be enabled by default***, due to potential drawbacks; such as customers who use multiple ASes or customers who have eBGP sessions with private ASes, but it will be an option if a customer wants to use it. This way, even if filters fail, more specific prefixes won’t be propagated to external autonomous systems." - https://www.noction.com/blog/route-optimizers (emphasis mine). So, yes, "other errors" - but not tagging these by default with NO_EXPORT is like shipping hand grenades with the pins removed. Yes, some people might not know how to remove them - but these people really shouldn't be touching them to begin with W > > > On Wed, Mar 25, 2020 at 7:50 PM Michel Py wrote: >> >> > In recent months, I've been trying to bring your attention to BGP >> > optimization. >> >> Is that not the thing that leaked a massive amount of prefixes some time ago >> ? >> >> Michel. >> >> TSI Disclaimer: This message and any files or text attached to it are >> intended only for the recipients named above and contain information that >> may be confidential or privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, >> you must not forward, copy, use or otherwise disclose this communication or >> the information contained herein. In the event you have received this >> message in error, please notify the sender immediately by replying to this >> message, and then delete all copies of it from your system. Thank you!... -- I don't think the execution is relevant when it was obviously a bad idea in the first place. This is like putting rabid weasels in your pants, and later expressing regret at having chosen those particular rabid weasels and that pair of pants. ---maf
Re: [EXT] Shining a light on ambulance chasers - Noction
Their device by itself did not leak anything, no. But it was the thing that created the more specifics that were then leaked due to other errors. On Wed, Mar 25, 2020 at 7:50 PM Michel Py wrote: > > In recent months, I've been trying to bring your attention to BGP > optimization. > > Is that not the thing that leaked a massive amount of prefixes some time > ago ? > > Michel. > > TSI Disclaimer: This message and any files or text attached to it are > intended only for the recipients named above and contain information that > may be confidential or privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, > you must not forward, copy, use or otherwise disclose this communication or > the information contained herein. In the event you have received this > message in error, please notify the sender immediately by replying to this > message, and then delete all copies of it from your system. Thank you!... >
Re: [EXT] Shining a light on ambulance chasers - Noction
Let's start a public blacklist, sort of like a RBL reputation block list or 800notes.com, but for companies to "never to do business with" for spamming. On Wed, Mar 25, 2020 at 06:11:41PM -0400, Martin Hannigan wrote: > This is overt and more than DB scraping IMHO. It's repulsive. > > Public pressure is the only way to police _this_. > > YMMV, > > -M< > > On Wed, Mar 25, 2020 at 4:30 PM Chuck Anderson wrote: > > > Someone should tell them what happened to Cogent for scraping ARIN WHOIS. > > > > On Wed, Mar 25, 2020 at 04:13:51PM -0400, Rodney Joffe wrote: > > > Under the heading of sales spam from our community that is in even > > poorer taste, and sucks: > > > > > > > > > Begin forwarded message: > > > > > > > From: Josh Ankin > > > > Subject: BGP Management > > > > Date: March 25, 2020 at 3:39:02 PM EDT > > > > To: rjo...@centergate.com > > > > Reply-To: jan...@noction.com > > > > > > > > Hello Rodney, > > > > > > > > I know things are pretty hectic right now with COVID-19 precautions > > being taken everywhere. I hope it's not affecting your team too much, and > > most importantly, I hope everyone is safe. > > > > > > > > In recent months, I've been trying to bring your attention to BGP > > optimization. However, our solution's other notable features can be of > > utmost value at these uncertain times as the Internet traffic volumes and > > patterns change > > > > > > Etc Etc
RE: [EXT] Shining a light on ambulance chasers - Noction
> In recent months, I've been trying to bring your attention to BGP > optimization. Is that not the thing that leaked a massive amount of prefixes some time ago ? Michel. TSI Disclaimer: This message and any files or text attached to it are intended only for the recipients named above and contain information that may be confidential or privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you must not forward, copy, use or otherwise disclose this communication or the information contained herein. In the event you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately by replying to this message, and then delete all copies of it from your system. Thank you!...
Re: [EXT] Shining a light on ambulance chasers - Noction
This is overt and more than DB scraping IMHO. It's repulsive. Public pressure is the only way to police _this_. YMMV, -M< On Wed, Mar 25, 2020 at 4:30 PM Chuck Anderson wrote: > Someone should tell them what happened to Cogent for scraping ARIN WHOIS. > > On Wed, Mar 25, 2020 at 04:13:51PM -0400, Rodney Joffe wrote: > > Under the heading of sales spam from our community that is in even > poorer taste, and sucks: > > > > > > Begin forwarded message: > > > > > From: Josh Ankin > > > Subject: BGP Management > > > Date: March 25, 2020 at 3:39:02 PM EDT > > > To: rjo...@centergate.com > > > Reply-To: jan...@noction.com > > > > > > Hello Rodney, > > > > > > I know things are pretty hectic right now with COVID-19 precautions > being taken everywhere. I hope it's not affecting your team too much, and > most importantly, I hope everyone is safe. > > > > > > In recent months, I've been trying to bring your attention to BGP > optimization. However, our solution's other notable features can be of > utmost value at these uncertain times as the Internet traffic volumes and > patterns change > > > > Etc Etc >
Re: [EXT] Shining a light on ambulance chasers - Noction
I like that idea! Erich Kaiser On Wed, Mar 25, 2020 at 4:57 PM Mike Lyon wrote: > Actually, you should route their calls to the IRS scammers who keep > calling. I'm sure the two callers would have a lot of fun chatting with > each other. > > On Wed, Mar 25, 2020 at 2:51 PM Kaiser, Erich wrote: > >> Cogent calls me about 2-3 times a week. TIme to start re-routing their >> calls back to them.. >> >> Erich Kaiser >> >> On Wed, Mar 25, 2020 at 3:29 PM Chuck Anderson wrote: >> >>> Someone should tell them what happened to Cogent for scraping ARIN WHOIS. >>> >>> On Wed, Mar 25, 2020 at 04:13:51PM -0400, Rodney Joffe wrote: >>> > Under the heading of sales spam from our community that is in even >>> poorer taste, and sucks: >>> > >>> > >>> > Begin forwarded message: >>> > >>> > > From: Josh Ankin >>> > > Subject: BGP Management >>> > > Date: March 25, 2020 at 3:39:02 PM EDT >>> > > To: rjo...@centergate.com >>> > > Reply-To: jan...@noction.com >>> > > >>> > > Hello Rodney, >>> > > >>> > > I know things are pretty hectic right now with COVID-19 precautions >>> being taken everywhere. I hope it's not affecting your team too much, and >>> most importantly, I hope everyone is safe. >>> > > >>> > > In recent months, I've been trying to bring your attention to BGP >>> optimization. However, our solution's other notable features can be of >>> utmost value at these uncertain times as the Internet traffic volumes and >>> patterns change >>> > >>> > Etc Etc >>> >> > > -- > Mike Lyon > mike.l...@gmail.com > http://www.linkedin.com/in/mlyon > > > >
Re: [EXT] Shining a light on ambulance chasers - Noction
Actually, you should route their calls to the IRS scammers who keep calling. I'm sure the two callers would have a lot of fun chatting with each other. On Wed, Mar 25, 2020 at 2:51 PM Kaiser, Erich wrote: > Cogent calls me about 2-3 times a week. TIme to start re-routing their > calls back to them.. > > Erich Kaiser > > On Wed, Mar 25, 2020 at 3:29 PM Chuck Anderson wrote: > >> Someone should tell them what happened to Cogent for scraping ARIN WHOIS. >> >> On Wed, Mar 25, 2020 at 04:13:51PM -0400, Rodney Joffe wrote: >> > Under the heading of sales spam from our community that is in even >> poorer taste, and sucks: >> > >> > >> > Begin forwarded message: >> > >> > > From: Josh Ankin >> > > Subject: BGP Management >> > > Date: March 25, 2020 at 3:39:02 PM EDT >> > > To: rjo...@centergate.com >> > > Reply-To: jan...@noction.com >> > > >> > > Hello Rodney, >> > > >> > > I know things are pretty hectic right now with COVID-19 precautions >> being taken everywhere. I hope it's not affecting your team too much, and >> most importantly, I hope everyone is safe. >> > > >> > > In recent months, I've been trying to bring your attention to BGP >> optimization. However, our solution's other notable features can be of >> utmost value at these uncertain times as the Internet traffic volumes and >> patterns change >> > >> > Etc Etc >> > -- Mike Lyon mike.l...@gmail.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/mlyon
Re: [EXT] Shining a light on ambulance chasers - Noction
And here I actually went to their website (not Cogent -- they still call me all the time as well) to see what they sell. -Original Message- From: "Kaiser, Erich" Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2020 5:50pm To: "NANOG list" Subject: Re: [EXT] Shining a light on ambulance chasers - Noction Cogent calls me about 2-3 times a week. TIme to start re-routing their calls back to them.. Erich Kaiser On Wed, Mar 25, 2020 at 3:29 PM Chuck Anderson <[ c...@wpi.edu ]( mailto:c...@wpi.edu )> wrote:Someone should tell them what happened to Cogent for scraping ARIN WHOIS. On Wed, Mar 25, 2020 at 04:13:51PM -0400, Rodney Joffe wrote: > Under the heading of sales spam from our community that is in even poorer > taste, and sucks: > > > Begin forwarded message: > > > From: Josh Ankin <[ jan...@noction.com ]( mailto:jan...@noction.com )> > > Subject: BGP Management > > Date: March 25, 2020 at 3:39:02 PM EDT > > To: [ rjo...@centergate.com ]( mailto:rjo...@centergate.com ) > > Reply-To: [ jan...@noction.com ]( mailto:jan...@noction.com ) > > > > Hello Rodney, > > > > I know things are pretty hectic right now with COVID-19 precautions being > > taken everywhere. I hope it's not affecting your team too much, and most > > importantly, I hope everyone is safe. > > > > In recent months, I've been trying to bring your attention to BGP > > optimization. However, our solution's other notable features can be of > > utmost value at these uncertain times as the Internet traffic volumes and > > patterns change > > Etc Etc
Re: [EXT] Shining a light on ambulance chasers - Noction
Cogent calls me about 2-3 times a week. TIme to start re-routing their calls back to them.. Erich Kaiser On Wed, Mar 25, 2020 at 3:29 PM Chuck Anderson wrote: > Someone should tell them what happened to Cogent for scraping ARIN WHOIS. > > On Wed, Mar 25, 2020 at 04:13:51PM -0400, Rodney Joffe wrote: > > Under the heading of sales spam from our community that is in even > poorer taste, and sucks: > > > > > > Begin forwarded message: > > > > > From: Josh Ankin > > > Subject: BGP Management > > > Date: March 25, 2020 at 3:39:02 PM EDT > > > To: rjo...@centergate.com > > > Reply-To: jan...@noction.com > > > > > > Hello Rodney, > > > > > > I know things are pretty hectic right now with COVID-19 precautions > being taken everywhere. I hope it's not affecting your team too much, and > most importantly, I hope everyone is safe. > > > > > > In recent months, I've been trying to bring your attention to BGP > optimization. However, our solution's other notable features can be of > utmost value at these uncertain times as the Internet traffic volumes and > patterns change > > > > Etc Etc >
Re: [EXT] Shining a light on ambulance chasers - Noction
Someone should tell them what happened to Cogent for scraping ARIN WHOIS. On Wed, Mar 25, 2020 at 04:13:51PM -0400, Rodney Joffe wrote: > Under the heading of sales spam from our community that is in even poorer > taste, and sucks: > > > Begin forwarded message: > > > From: Josh Ankin > > Subject: BGP Management > > Date: March 25, 2020 at 3:39:02 PM EDT > > To: rjo...@centergate.com > > Reply-To: jan...@noction.com > > > > Hello Rodney, > > > > I know things are pretty hectic right now with COVID-19 precautions being > > taken everywhere. I hope it's not affecting your team too much, and most > > importantly, I hope everyone is safe. > > > > In recent months, I've been trying to bring your attention to BGP > > optimization. However, our solution's other notable features can be of > > utmost value at these uncertain times as the Internet traffic volumes and > > patterns change > > Etc Etc
