Re: [NANOG] Purpose of Internap's PNET AS22212

2008-04-29 Thread Brandon Palmer
They have a bunch of transit providers they use,  PNET is yet another path that 
they can use.  They have enough traffic that goes PNAP -- PNAP that I presume 
it would be cheaper to use their own dark fiber or something than to keep 
paying the other transit providers.

 Thurber [EMAIL PROTECTED] 4/28/2008 12:01 PM 
Can anybody shed some light on Internap's PNET AS22212? Specifaly how it
relates to their PNAP architecture?  Is Internap now doing peering? I was
under the impression that their entire business model was based around
isolated PNAPs and being a backboneless provider. Attempts at getting an
explanation from Internap have been fruitless.

CT



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Re: [NANOG] Purpose of Internap's PNET AS22212

2008-04-29 Thread Max Clark
It's actually very easy to explain. The InterNAP Flow Control (FCP)
was designed to route traffic via the cheapest link available provided
the link is within an operating range. Over the years the PNAPs have
preferred different transit providers based on the underlying
contract rate - but what rate could possibly be better than free(1)?
So as time passes you will more than likely see more and more of
AS22212 in your path.

-Max

1. Peering is not free, but much less expensive than paying ATT.

On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 9:13 AM, Randy Epstein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Thurber,

  PNET (AS22212) is looked upon by InterNAP's PNAPs (its various ASes) as just
  another transit provider in the mix.

  So yes, InterNAP technically peers (under AS22212), but there is no
  guarantee its various PNAPs would choose that path, depending upon a number
  of factors.

  (Disclaimer: This is what I've gathered from public information, not from
  information obtained under non-disclosure.)

  Regards,

  Randy



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  Subject: [NANOG] Purpose of Internap's PNET AS22212

  Can anybody shed some light on Internap's PNET AS22212? Specifaly how it
  relates to their PNAP architecture?  Is Internap now doing peering? I was
  under the impression that their entire business model was based around
  isolated PNAPs and being a backboneless provider. Attempts at getting an
  explanation from Internap have been fruitless.

  CT



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[NANOG] Purpose of Internap's PNET AS22212

2008-04-28 Thread Thurber
Can anybody shed some light on Internap's PNET AS22212? Specifaly how it
relates to their PNAP architecture?  Is Internap now doing peering? I was
under the impression that their entire business model was based around
isolated PNAPs and being a backboneless provider. Attempts at getting an
explanation from Internap have been fruitless.

CT



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