Re: Best Source for ARIN Region /24

[Jim Mercer]

On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 01:19:00PM -0600, Matthew D. Hardeman wrote:
> I'm looking to buy a /24 of space for a new multi-homed network in the ARIN
> region.  Can anyone out there speak to going rates for a /24 and best
> places to shop?

if anyone is interested, i have some legacy ARIN space that i'm selling off.

it is registered in the ARIN STLS marketplace, and the easiest way to
follow through would be by pre-qualifying:

https://www.arin.net/resources/transfers/preapproval.html

contact me to negotiate pricing.  this is a direct sale, i'm not an agent.

i can currently do blocks from /24 to /16.

--jim

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Re: Best Source for ARIN Region /24

[Jake Mertel]

The held back a /10 from their final /8 allocation. Details @
https://www.arin.net/policy/nrpm.html#four10 .


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On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 12:15 PM, Jim Mercer  wrote:
> On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 10:54:49AM -0800, Owen DeLong wrote:
>> As an end user, you can get an IPv6 /48 and still qualify for the /24 of 
>> transitional space as well.
>
> did ARIN hold back some blocks to service the 'transitional space', or would
> that be going to the STLS list?
>
> --jim
>
>
>
>>
>> Owen
>>
>> > On Jan 11, 2016, at 18:35 , Matthew D. Hardeman  
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > I???m aware of the /24 block for facilitation concept, but my client???s 
>> > use case can qualify as an end-user rather than as an ISP, thus their 
>> > annual operating cost is smaller than even the X-SMALL ISP category, which 
>> > they???d land in ??? if they opted for the smaller /36 initial IPv6 direct 
>> > allocation, rather than the default /32 direct allocation.
>> >
>> > That seems to balance toward buying an existing /24.
>> >
>> >> On Jan 11, 2016, at 8:00 PM, Rafael Possamai  
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> If you apply for an IPv6 block, as an ISP, and you have the intention of 
>> >> truly utilizing it, then you can apply for a /24 to facilitate that 
>> >> transition.
>> >>
>> >> It will cost you about $1500 or so, which is about half of what a /24 is 
>> >> going for in the transfer market.
>> >>
>> >> Thing is, if you take the IPv6 block just to use the /24 they give you, 
>> >> then one could argue you are cheating the system.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 1:19 PM, Matthew D. Hardeman 
>> >> mailto:mharde...@ipifony.com>> wrote:
>> >> I???m looking to buy a /24 of space for a new multi-homed network in the 
>> >> ARIN region.  Can anyone out there speak to going rates for a /24 and 
>> >> best places to shop?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>
> --
> Jim Mercer Reptilian Research  j...@reptiles.org+1 416 410-5633
>
> Life should not be a journey to the grave with the intention of
> arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather
> to skid in broadside in a cloud of smoke, thoroughly used up,
> totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming "Wow! What a Ride!"
>  -- Hunter S. Thompson

Re: Best Source for ARIN Region /24

[Martin Hannigan]

There's an option that I forgot to mention:

You can still use an RIR and get a last /22 in the RIPE region provided you
follow their rules, and no, you do not have to be in Europe.

Read carefully:

 https://www.ripe.net/participate/policies/proposals/2013-03


Best,

-M<


On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 9:43 PM, Rafael Possamai 
wrote:

> Makes sense. In that case, I think only way out is to go through a broker
> to find a suitable party for a transfer. I would read the rules and
> regulations regarding transfer of ARIN blocks, they have some details and
> the process requires some paperwork.
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 8:35 PM, Matthew D. Hardeman <
> mharde...@ipifony.com>
> wrote:
>
> > I’m aware of the /24 block for facilitation concept, but my client’s use
> > case can qualify as an end-user rather than as an ISP, thus their annual
> > operating cost is smaller than even the X-SMALL ISP category, which
> they’d
> > land in — if they opted for the smaller /36 initial IPv6 direct
> allocation,
> > rather than the default /32 direct allocation.
> >
> > That seems to balance toward buying an existing /24.
> >
> >
> > On Jan 11, 2016, at 8:00 PM, Rafael Possamai 
> > wrote:
> >
> > If you apply for an IPv6 block, as an ISP, and you have the intention of
> > truly utilizing it, then you can apply for a /24 to facilitate that
> > transition.
> >
> > It will cost you about $1500 or so, which is about half of what a /24 is
> > going for in the transfer market.
> >
> > Thing is, if you take the IPv6 block just to use the /24 they give you,
> > then one could argue you are cheating the system.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 1:19 PM, Matthew D. Hardeman <
> > mharde...@ipifony.com> wrote:
> >
> >> I’m looking to buy a /24 of space for a new multi-homed network in the
> >> ARIN region.  Can anyone out there speak to going rates for a /24 and
> best
> >> places to shop?
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>

Re: Best Source for ARIN Region /24

[Jim Mercer]

On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 10:54:49AM -0800, Owen DeLong wrote:
> As an end user, you can get an IPv6 /48 and still qualify for the /24 of 
> transitional space as well.

did ARIN hold back some blocks to service the 'transitional space', or would
that be going to the STLS list?

--jim



> 
> Owen
> 
> > On Jan 11, 2016, at 18:35 , Matthew D. Hardeman  
> > wrote:
> > 
> > I???m aware of the /24 block for facilitation concept, but my client???s 
> > use case can qualify as an end-user rather than as an ISP, thus their 
> > annual operating cost is smaller than even the X-SMALL ISP category, which 
> > they???d land in ??? if they opted for the smaller /36 initial IPv6 direct 
> > allocation, rather than the default /32 direct allocation.
> > 
> > That seems to balance toward buying an existing /24.
> > 
> >> On Jan 11, 2016, at 8:00 PM, Rafael Possamai  wrote:
> >> 
> >> If you apply for an IPv6 block, as an ISP, and you have the intention of 
> >> truly utilizing it, then you can apply for a /24 to facilitate that 
> >> transition. 
> >> 
> >> It will cost you about $1500 or so, which is about half of what a /24 is 
> >> going for in the transfer market.
> >> 
> >> Thing is, if you take the IPv6 block just to use the /24 they give you, 
> >> then one could argue you are cheating the system.
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 1:19 PM, Matthew D. Hardeman 
> >> mailto:mharde...@ipifony.com>> wrote:
> >> I???m looking to buy a /24 of space for a new multi-homed network in the 
> >> ARIN region.  Can anyone out there speak to going rates for a /24 and best 
> >> places to shop?
> >> 
> >> 
> > 

-- 
Jim Mercer Reptilian Research  j...@reptiles.org+1 416 410-5633

Life should not be a journey to the grave with the intention of
arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather
to skid in broadside in a cloud of smoke, thoroughly used up,
totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming "Wow! What a Ride!"
 -- Hunter S. Thompson

Re: Deploying IPv6 in an ISP network [ was: Best Source for ARIN Region /24 ]

[Owen DeLong]

> On Jan 12, 2016, at 10:44 , Baldur Norddahl  wrote:
> 
> On 12 January 2016 at 19:03, Owen DeLong  wrote:
> 
>>> As an alternative to the plan that Owen describes, I can offer the way we
>>> did it: Our IPv6 address plan is tied to our IPv4 addressing, such that
>>> there is a mapping from IPv4 address to IPv6 /48 prefix. That way we do
>> not
>>> need to allocate IPv6 as such.
>> 
>> How do you expect that to work out when you have customers without IPv4
>> addresses
>> or once you start having to share IPv4 addresses among customers?
>> 
>> 
> I fear I will be retired before the first happens. As to the second, even
> with CGN they will have an internal IPv4 that can be used for the mapping.

Sure, there are ways to work around whatever you need.

> 
> Please also take notice that there is nothing that prevents you from
> reversing the mapping: assign /48 to customers and then calculate the IPv4
> from that. The point here is just that you do not really need to do the
> work twice.

OK… Now you’ve got a customer that has their own internal network serving
a campus with 12 buildings and also they have a WAN connecting 18 remote
sites. All of this is behind NAT with a single IPv4 from you. How do you
give them the 30 /48s that they should be receiving for that network with
your current scheme?

> The limitation of the system is that it requires a dense scheme for
> allocating /48 to customers. Unfortunately that is already a requirement in
> RIPE land, so it does not add something new.

Actuallly, it isn’t.

You can use a sparse allocation scheme in RIPE land, but in all RIRs, the
only limitation is that you don’t get more space until your sparse scheme
gets relatively densely packed. Thats intentional and it’s not a bad thing.

>> Your address plan ties your future to your legacy technology that you
>> should
>> be looking forward to deprecating and places limitations on your future
>> addressing that are coupled to the shortcomings of the legacy addressing
>> capabilities.
>> 
>> 
> I would say it saves you from doing a lot of work. It will be a long time
> before you can skip the IPv4 part entirely and just do IPv6. The exception
> being if you use certain transition technologies that tunnels IPv4 on top
> of an IPv6 only network, in which case I would probably do something
> different (or maybe not). My scheme works for our network, which uses L3VPN
> and MPLS.

I expect it will be about 4 years before we start seeing eyeball networks
discontinuing support for IPv4 or at least charging a premium for it.

There are already a growing number of networks that are, in fact, providing
IPv4 only as a tunnel over IPv6.


> 
> 
>> I encourage my competitors to attempt this strategy.
>> 
> 
> I do not believe we have ever been competitors…

We haven’t. I didn’t say I was encouraging you to attempt this strategy.

I did say that I believe my competitors applying this strategy would work out
in my favor.

Owen

Re: Best Source for ARIN Region /24

[Owen DeLong]

As an end user, you can get an IPv6 /48 and still qualify for the /24 of 
transitional space as well.

Owen

> On Jan 11, 2016, at 18:35 , Matthew D. Hardeman  wrote:
> 
> I’m aware of the /24 block for facilitation concept, but my client’s use case 
> can qualify as an end-user rather than as an ISP, thus their annual operating 
> cost is smaller than even the X-SMALL ISP category, which they’d land in — if 
> they opted for the smaller /36 initial IPv6 direct allocation, rather than 
> the default /32 direct allocation.
> 
> That seems to balance toward buying an existing /24.
> 
>> On Jan 11, 2016, at 8:00 PM, Rafael Possamai  wrote:
>> 
>> If you apply for an IPv6 block, as an ISP, and you have the intention of 
>> truly utilizing it, then you can apply for a /24 to facilitate that 
>> transition. 
>> 
>> It will cost you about $1500 or so, which is about half of what a /24 is 
>> going for in the transfer market.
>> 
>> Thing is, if you take the IPv6 block just to use the /24 they give you, then 
>> one could argue you are cheating the system.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 1:19 PM, Matthew D. Hardeman > > wrote:
>> I’m looking to buy a /24 of space for a new multi-homed network in the ARIN 
>> region.  Can anyone out there speak to going rates for a /24 and best places 
>> to shop?
>> 
>> 
> 

Re: Deploying IPv6 in an ISP network [ was: Best Source for ARIN Region /24 ]

[Baldur Norddahl]

On 12 January 2016 at 19:03, Owen DeLong  wrote:

> > As an alternative to the plan that Owen describes, I can offer the way we
> > did it: Our IPv6 address plan is tied to our IPv4 addressing, such that
> > there is a mapping from IPv4 address to IPv6 /48 prefix. That way we do
> not
> > need to allocate IPv6 as such.
>
> How do you expect that to work out when you have customers without IPv4
> addresses
> or once you start having to share IPv4 addresses among customers?
>
>
I fear I will be retired before the first happens. As to the second, even
with CGN they will have an internal IPv4 that can be used for the mapping.

Please also take notice that there is nothing that prevents you from
reversing the mapping: assign /48 to customers and then calculate the IPv4
from that. The point here is just that you do not really need to do the
work twice.

The limitation of the system is that it requires a dense scheme for
allocating /48 to customers. Unfortunately that is already a requirement in
RIPE land, so it does not add something new.


> Your address plan ties your future to your legacy technology that you
> should
> be looking forward to deprecating and places limitations on your future
> addressing that are coupled to the shortcomings of the legacy addressing
> capabilities.
>
>
I would say it saves you from doing a lot of work. It will be a long time
before you can skip the IPv4 part entirely and just do IPv6. The exception
being if you use certain transition technologies that tunnels IPv4 on top
of an IPv6 only network, in which case I would probably do something
different (or maybe not). My scheme works for our network, which uses L3VPN
and MPLS.


> I encourage my competitors to attempt this strategy.
>

I do not believe we have ever been competitors...

Regards,

Baldur

Re: Deploying IPv6 in an ISP network [ was: Best Source for ARIN Region /24 ]

[Owen DeLong]

> On Jan 12, 2016, at 07:08 , Baldur Norddahl  wrote:
> 
> Do you seek information on how to plan subnetting or on more technical
> issues like how to dual stack your network? In the later case, you would
> need to tell more about your network. Eg. if you have a MPLS network (like
> we do) and you have your internet in a L3VPN enabling IPv6 is really easy
> and has almost no impact on the network.
> 
> As an alternative to the plan that Owen describes, I can offer the way we
> did it: Our IPv6 address plan is tied to our IPv4 addressing, such that
> there is a mapping from IPv4 address to IPv6 /48 prefix. That way we do not
> need to allocate IPv6 as such.

How do you expect that to work out when you have customers without IPv4 
addresses
or once you start having to share IPv4 addresses among customers?

> 
> The mapping is a database with IPv4 /24 as key and IPv6 /40 as value.
> Example:
> 
> 85.204.120.0/24 maps to 2a00:7660:500::/40.
> 
> Take the user with the IPv4 address 85.204.120.12. This address maps to
> 2a00:7660:50b::/48. Note that 12 is "0b" in hexadecimal.
> 
> We are an eyeball network where most users have only one single IPv4
> address. We assign the IPv4 addresses statically (never changes). A few
> users bought extra IPv4 address and that creates a hole in our address
> plan, but we do not care. Officially the extra /48 is not assigned to the
> user, because that would be against the rules.
> 
> Our address plan creates a very efficient allocation scheme, that is not
> strictly needed as you have the more loose ARIN rules (we are in RIPE).

Your address plan ties your future to your legacy technology that you should
be looking forward to deprecating and places limitations on your future
addressing that are coupled to the shortcomings of the legacy addressing
capabilities.

I encourage my competitors to attempt this strategy.

Owen

Re: Deploying IPv6 in an ISP network [ was: Best Source for ARIN Region /24 ]

[Baldur Norddahl]

Yes sorry I have program to do the calculation in production. Correcting
the bug is left as an exercise for the reader.

Regards

Baldur
Den 12/01/2016 16.33 skrev "Bjørn Mork" :

> Baldur Norddahl  writes:
>
> > Note that 12 is "0b" in hexadecimal.
>
> Only when gravity is negative IIRC.
>
>
> Bjørn
>

Re: Deploying IPv6 in an ISP network [ was: Best Source for ARIN Region /24 ]

[Bjørn Mork]

Baldur Norddahl  writes:

> Note that 12 is "0b" in hexadecimal.

Only when gravity is negative IIRC.


Bjørn

Re: Deploying IPv6 in an ISP network [ was: Best Source for ARIN Region /24 ]

[Baldur Norddahl]

Do you seek information on how to plan subnetting or on more technical
issues like how to dual stack your network? In the later case, you would
need to tell more about your network. Eg. if you have a MPLS network (like
we do) and you have your internet in a L3VPN enabling IPv6 is really easy
and has almost no impact on the network.

As an alternative to the plan that Owen describes, I can offer the way we
did it: Our IPv6 address plan is tied to our IPv4 addressing, such that
there is a mapping from IPv4 address to IPv6 /48 prefix. That way we do not
need to allocate IPv6 as such.

The mapping is a database with IPv4 /24 as key and IPv6 /40 as value.
Example:

85.204.120.0/24 maps to 2a00:7660:500::/40.

Take the user with the IPv4 address 85.204.120.12. This address maps to
2a00:7660:50b::/48. Note that 12 is "0b" in hexadecimal.

We are an eyeball network where most users have only one single IPv4
address. We assign the IPv4 addresses statically (never changes). A few
users bought extra IPv4 address and that creates a hole in our address
plan, but we do not care. Officially the extra /48 is not assigned to the
user, because that would be against the rules.

Our address plan creates a very efficient allocation scheme, that is not
strictly needed as you have the more loose ARIN rules (we are in RIPE).

Regards,

Baldur

Re: Deploying IPv6 in an ISP network [ was: Best Source for ARIN Region /24 ]

[Massimiliano Stucchi]

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Hi,


On 12/01/16 01:43, Hugo Slabbert wrote:
> Apologies; I had looked at some of the NCC's online material and
> got stuck in the "it's all online these days, right?" bubble...

the RIPE NCC does have material that anybody can use, and is available
online.  There are webinars about how to prepare an IPv6 Addressing
Plan
(https://www.ripe.net/support/training/learn-online/webinars/ipv6-addres
sing-plan),
also available as a recording here:

https://www.ripe.net/support/training/learn-online/webinars/webinar-reco
rdings/webinar-ipv6-addressing-plan

More important, there's the RIPE NCC Academy:

https://academy.ripe.net

Which has an IPv6 Training Course, and is available to everyone for free
.

While these resources are not covering everything you need to know in
order to implement IPv6 in an ISP environment, I'm sure they really
help getting you started.

Disclaimer:  I work in the training department at the RIPE NCC (and
yes, it's me in the Addressing Plan webinar video!), but I'm not
representing RIPE NCC here.  If you have any other question on the
material/courses/anything, please feel free to email me.

Ciao!

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Massimiliano Stucchi
MS16801-RIPE
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Re: Best Source for ARIN Region /24

[Rafael Possamai]

Makes sense. In that case, I think only way out is to go through a broker
to find a suitable party for a transfer. I would read the rules and
regulations regarding transfer of ARIN blocks, they have some details and
the process requires some paperwork.


On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 8:35 PM, Matthew D. Hardeman 
wrote:

> I’m aware of the /24 block for facilitation concept, but my client’s use
> case can qualify as an end-user rather than as an ISP, thus their annual
> operating cost is smaller than even the X-SMALL ISP category, which they’d
> land in — if they opted for the smaller /36 initial IPv6 direct allocation,
> rather than the default /32 direct allocation.
>
> That seems to balance toward buying an existing /24.
>
>
> On Jan 11, 2016, at 8:00 PM, Rafael Possamai 
> wrote:
>
> If you apply for an IPv6 block, as an ISP, and you have the intention of
> truly utilizing it, then you can apply for a /24 to facilitate that
> transition.
>
> It will cost you about $1500 or so, which is about half of what a /24 is
> going for in the transfer market.
>
> Thing is, if you take the IPv6 block just to use the /24 they give you,
> then one could argue you are cheating the system.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 1:19 PM, Matthew D. Hardeman <
> mharde...@ipifony.com> wrote:
>
>> I’m looking to buy a /24 of space for a new multi-homed network in the
>> ARIN region.  Can anyone out there speak to going rates for a /24 and best
>> places to shop?
>>
>>
>
>

Re: Best Source for ARIN Region /24

[Matthew D. Hardeman]

I’m aware of the /24 block for facilitation concept, but my client’s use case 
can qualify as an end-user rather than as an ISP, thus their annual operating 
cost is smaller than even the X-SMALL ISP category, which they’d land in — if 
they opted for the smaller /36 initial IPv6 direct allocation, rather than the 
default /32 direct allocation.

That seems to balance toward buying an existing /24.

> On Jan 11, 2016, at 8:00 PM, Rafael Possamai  wrote:
> 
> If you apply for an IPv6 block, as an ISP, and you have the intention of 
> truly utilizing it, then you can apply for a /24 to facilitate that 
> transition. 
> 
> It will cost you about $1500 or so, which is about half of what a /24 is 
> going for in the transfer market.
> 
> Thing is, if you take the IPv6 block just to use the /24 they give you, then 
> one could argue you are cheating the system.
> 
> 
> 
> On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 1:19 PM, Matthew D. Hardeman  > wrote:
> I’m looking to buy a /24 of space for a new multi-homed network in the ARIN 
> region.  Can anyone out there speak to going rates for a /24 and best places 
> to shop?
> 
> 



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Re: Best Source for ARIN Region /24

[Rafael Possamai]

If you apply for an IPv6 block, as an ISP, and you have the intention of
truly utilizing it, then you can apply for a /24 to facilitate that
transition.

It will cost you about $1500 or so, which is about half of what a /24 is
going for in the transfer market.

Thing is, if you take the IPv6 block just to use the /24 they give you,
then one could argue you are cheating the system.



On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 1:19 PM, Matthew D. Hardeman 
wrote:

> I’m looking to buy a /24 of space for a new multi-homed network in the
> ARIN region.  Can anyone out there speak to going rates for a /24 and best
> places to shop?
>
>

Re: Best Source for ARIN Region /24

[Martin Hannigan]

If you aren't advised to at least analyze the potential to avoid buying and
using v6, you'd be getting bad advice. With that said:

For large blocks, >/16, you're going to want to work with a *reputable*
broker that understands how the market works. The two I am consistent in
pointing to are Addrex and Hilco Streambank. They seem to be both reputable
and knowledgeable. There are many others. You can speak with each  if
necessary and ask about experiences. Being registered with an RIR is not a
requirement to participate in the market as a broker.

For the smallish blocks, < /16, I'd point to the Hilco auction platform.
Appears to be able to process small transactions reliably and you can price
track with the public data. And it's automated.

There are pitfalls when acquiring IPv4 addresses, including whether you
want them to be assets or to be leases. The regions are treating legacy
addresses and transfers differently. V4 addresses are usable globally and
there are enough people here as well as broker knowledge to help you
navigate that as well. Brokers can guide you through these decisions and
which markets to acquire them in based on your needs and objectives, which
RIRs to work with and how to transfer addresses.

I've been recommending folks avoid transferring space from friends. Failed
transactions can be costly in many ways.

YMMV.

Best,

-M<



On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 3:16 PM, Shon Elliott 
wrote:

> I also am interested in where people are finding blocks of /22 or smaller
> just in case. We have some blocks from Level 3, but eventually, we're going
> to be out.
>
> That being said, we did get our IPv6 /32 allocation from ARIN. If anyone
> has any ideas on how to properly deploy this in an ISP environment, I'd
> love to learn. I've read some whitepapers on the subject, but most of those
> deal with enterprise based networks, and not so much as a service provider.
>
> Kind Regards,
> Shon Elliott, KK6TOO
> unWired Broadband, Inc.
> www.getunwired.com
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
> Sent: Monday, January 11, 2016 12:11 PM
> To: North American Network Operators' Group 
> Subject: Re: Best Source for ARIN Region /24
>
> Some expansions under my ISP hat may lead to needing some address space,
> so I'd be interested in where people are getting space from as well.
> Smaller blocks, though, /22 and smaller.
>
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
>
>
> Midwest Internet Exchange
> http://www.midwest-ix.com
>
>
> - Original Message -
>
> From: "Matthew D. Hardeman" 
> To: nanog@nanog.org
> Sent: Monday, January 11, 2016 1:19:00 PM
> Subject: Best Source for ARIN Region /24
>
> I’m looking to buy a /24 of space for a new multi-homed network in the
> ARIN region. Can anyone out there speak to going rates for a /24 and best
> places to shop?
>
>
>

Re: Best Source for ARIN Region /24

[Mike Hammett]

I spent about five minutes looking for that list earlier today and couldn't 
find it. Thanks, Brough. 




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- Original Message -

From: "Brough Turner"  
To: "North American Network Operators' Group"  
Sent: Monday, January 11, 2016 3:38:46 PM 
Subject: Re: Best Source for ARIN Region /24 

Note that ARIN has a list of "Registered Transfer Facilitators" at: 
https://www.arin.net/resources/transfer_listing/facilitator_list.html 

I've just started look into buying a /20. So far, Hilco Streambank auction 
prices seemed better than the two other facilitators I have communicated 
with. If this whole topic is off target for this list, off list responses 
would be welcome..., also pointers to any other appropriate forum. 

Thanks, 
Brough 

Brough Turner 
netBlazr Inc. – Free your Broadband! 
Mobile: 617-285-0433 Skype: brough 
netBlazr Inc. <http://www.netblazr.com/> | Google+ 
<https://plus.google.com/102447512447094746687/posts?hl=en> | Twitter 
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On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 3:01 PM, Christopher Dye  
wrote: 

> I just paid way too much from Hilco Streambank on Auction. I think I ended 
> up spending about $2500 + ARIN fees (but I really needed it). 
> www.ipv4auctions.com 
> 
> Christopher Dye 
> Chief Technology Officer 
> Paragon Solutions Group, Inc. 
> 
> -Original Message- 
> From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Ray Orsini 
> Sent: Monday, January 11, 2016 1:22 PM 
> To: Matthew D. Hardeman ; nanog@nanog.org 
> Subject: RE: Best Source for ARIN Region /24 
> 
> Ditto here. Seems like Matthew beat me to the question 
> 
> Regards, 
> Ray Orsini – CEO 
> Orsini IT, LLC – Technology Consultants 
> VOICE DATA  BANDWIDTH  SECURITY  SUPPORT 
> P: 305.967.6756 x1009 E: r...@orsiniit.com TF: 844.OIT.VOIP 
> 7900 NW 155th Street, Suite 103, Miami Lakes, FL 33016 
> http://www.orsiniit.com | View My Calendar | View/Pay Your Invoices | 
> View Your Tickets 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message- 
> From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Matthew D. 
> Hardeman 
> Sent: Monday, January 11, 2016 2:19 PM 
> To: nanog@nanog.org 
> Subject: Best Source for ARIN Region /24 
> 
> I’m looking to buy a /24 of space for a new multi-homed network in the 
> ARIN region. Can anyone out there speak to going rates for a /24 and best 
> places to shop? 
> 

Re: Deploying IPv6 in an ISP network [ was: Best Source for ARIN Region /24 ]

[Owen DeLong]

> On Jan 11, 2016, at 16:21 , Hugo Slabbert  wrote:
> 
> On Mon 2016-Jan-11 20:16:21 +, Shon Elliott  
> wrote:
> 
>> I also am interested in where people are finding blocks of /22 or smaller 
>> just in case. We have some blocks from Level 3, but eventually, we're going 
>> to be out.
>> 
>> That being said, we did get our IPv6 /32 allocation from ARIN. If anyone has 
>> any ideas on how to properly deploy this in an ISP environment, I'd love to 
>> learn. I've read some whitepapers on the subject, but most of those deal 
>> with enterprise based networks, and not so much as a service provider.

Step 1: Figure out what size block you should have requested and go back and 
get that.

Sure, that’s a little bit flip, but I’m actually serious. Most ISPs will need 
more than a /32 unless they are fairly trivial.

Instead of starting from a /32 and figuring out how to squeeze your customers 
into it, you should start from the number of end-sites you expect to serve from 
your largest serving site (POP or other aggregation point in your network) in 
the next, say 5 years.

Round that up to a nibble boundary with 25% free.

For example, if your largest site has fewer than 192 end-sites served, 8 bits 
is enough. If you have 192 or more but less than 3072, 12 bits is enough.
IF you have a million customers in your largest serving site, you’re looking at 
20 bits or more per serving site.

Next, figure out the number of serving sites you expect to have in the next 5 
years and round that up to a nibble boundary (again with 25% free).

So, if you expect to have more than 12, but fewer than 192 serving sites, 8 
bits is enough. Fewer than 12, you can get by with 4 bits. From 192-3071, 12 
bits.

Now, add those two sets of bits together and subtract from 48.

That’s your prefix size that you need to ask for.

I’m quite certain you can get that size prefix if you’ve done the exercise 
correctly because that’s exactly how the policy is written.

Owen

Re: RE: Deploying IPv6 in an ISP network [ was: Best Source for ARIN Region /24 ]

[Hugo Slabbert]

Apologies; I had looked at some of the NCC's online material and got stuck in 
the "it's all online these days, right?" bubble...

Excuse the noise...

--
Hugo
h...@slabnet.com: email, xmpp/jabber
also on Signal

 From: Shon Elliott  -- Sent: 2016-01-11 - 16:34 


> Hi Hugo,
>
> Thanks for the response to the IPv6 part of my e-mail. Unfortunately, I don't 
> think our company will send anyone to London for training. I would hope that 
> there would be something in the United States that would be available. I know 
> the IPv6 basics, just not real plan on deploying it on a service provider 
> network.
>
> Kind Regards,
> Shon Elliott, KK6TOO
> unWired Broadband, Inc.
> www.getunwired.com
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Hugo Slabbert [mailto:h...@slabnet.com]
> Sent: Monday, January 11, 2016 4:21 PM
> To: Shon Elliott 
> Cc: North American Network Operators' Group 
> Subject: Deploying IPv6 in an ISP network [ was: Best Source for ARIN Region 
> /24 ]
>
> On Mon 2016-Jan-11 20:16:21 +, Shon Elliott  
> wrote:
>
>>I also am interested in where people are finding blocks of /22 or smaller 
>>just in case. We have some blocks from Level 3, but eventually, we're going 
>>to be out.
>>
>>That being said, we did get our IPv6 /32 allocation from ARIN. If anyone has 
>>any ideas on how to properly deploy this in an ISP environment, I'd love to 
>>learn. I've read some whitepapers on the subject, but most of those deal with 
>>enterprise based networks, and not so much as a service provider.
>
> Probably others as well, but afaik RIPE NCC's courses are targeting the SP 
> side a bit more to start getting your feet wet:
>
> https://www.ripe.net/support/training/courses/ipv6/outline
> https://www.ripe.net/support/training/courses/advanced-ipv6/outline
>
> How that interacts with your particular equipment etc. is a bigger question...
>
>>
>>Kind Regards,
>>Shon Elliott, KK6TOO
>>unWired Broadband, Inc.
>>www.getunwired.com
>>
>>
>
> --
> Hugo
>
> h...@slabnet.com: email, xmpp/jabber
> PGP fingerprint (B178313E):
> CF18 15FA 9FE4 0CD1 2319 1D77 9AB1 0FFD B178 313E
>
> (also on Signal)
>
>>
>>
>>-Original Message-
>>From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
>>Sent: Monday, January 11, 2016 12:11 PM
>>To: North American Network Operators' Group 
>>Subject: Re: Best Source for ARIN Region /24
>>
>>Some expansions under my ISP hat may lead to needing some address space, so 
>>I'd be interested in where people are getting space from as well. Smaller 
>>blocks, though, /22 and smaller.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>-
>>Mike Hammett
>>Intelligent Computing Solutions
>>http://www.ics-il.com
>>
>>
>>
>>Midwest Internet Exchange
>>http://www.midwest-ix.com
>>
>>
>>- Original Message -
>>
>>From: "Matthew D. Hardeman" 
>>To: nanog@nanog.org
>>Sent: Monday, January 11, 2016 1:19:00 PM
>>Subject: Best Source for ARIN Region /24
>>
>>I’m looking to buy a /24 of space for a new multi-homed network in the ARIN 
>>region. Can anyone out there speak to going rates for a /24 and best places 
>>to shop?
>>
>>




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RE: Deploying IPv6 in an ISP network [ was: Best Source for ARIN Region /24 ]

[Shon Elliott]

Hi Hugo,

Thanks for the response to the IPv6 part of my e-mail. Unfortunately, I don't 
think our company will send anyone to London for training. I would hope that 
there would be something in the United States that would be available. I know 
the IPv6 basics, just not real plan on deploying it on a service provider 
network.

Kind Regards,
Shon Elliott, KK6TOO
unWired Broadband, Inc.
www.getunwired.com



-Original Message-
From: Hugo Slabbert [mailto:h...@slabnet.com] 
Sent: Monday, January 11, 2016 4:21 PM
To: Shon Elliott 
Cc: North American Network Operators' Group 
Subject: Deploying IPv6 in an ISP network [ was: Best Source for ARIN Region 
/24 ]

On Mon 2016-Jan-11 20:16:21 +, Shon Elliott  wrote:

>I also am interested in where people are finding blocks of /22 or smaller just 
>in case. We have some blocks from Level 3, but eventually, we're going to be 
>out.
>
>That being said, we did get our IPv6 /32 allocation from ARIN. If anyone has 
>any ideas on how to properly deploy this in an ISP environment, I'd love to 
>learn. I've read some whitepapers on the subject, but most of those deal with 
>enterprise based networks, and not so much as a service provider.

Probably others as well, but afaik RIPE NCC's courses are targeting the SP side 
a bit more to start getting your feet wet:

https://www.ripe.net/support/training/courses/ipv6/outline
https://www.ripe.net/support/training/courses/advanced-ipv6/outline

How that interacts with your particular equipment etc. is a bigger question...

>
>Kind Regards,
>Shon Elliott, KK6TOO
>unWired Broadband, Inc.
>www.getunwired.com
>
>

--
Hugo

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PGP fingerprint (B178313E):
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(also on Signal)

>
>
>-Original Message-
>From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
>Sent: Monday, January 11, 2016 12:11 PM
>To: North American Network Operators' Group 
>Subject: Re: Best Source for ARIN Region /24
>
>Some expansions under my ISP hat may lead to needing some address space, so 
>I'd be interested in where people are getting space from as well. Smaller 
>blocks, though, /22 and smaller.
>
>
>
>
>-
>Mike Hammett
>Intelligent Computing Solutions
>http://www.ics-il.com
>
>
>
>Midwest Internet Exchange
>http://www.midwest-ix.com
>
>
>- Original Message -
>
>From: "Matthew D. Hardeman" 
>To: nanog@nanog.org
>Sent: Monday, January 11, 2016 1:19:00 PM
>Subject: Best Source for ARIN Region /24
>
>I’m looking to buy a /24 of space for a new multi-homed network in the ARIN 
>region. Can anyone out there speak to going rates for a /24 and best places to 
>shop?
>
>

Deploying IPv6 in an ISP network [ was: Best Source for ARIN Region /24 ]

[Hugo Slabbert]

On Mon 2016-Jan-11 20:16:21 +, Shon Elliott  wrote:


I also am interested in where people are finding blocks of /22 or smaller just 
in case. We have some blocks from Level 3, but eventually, we're going to be 
out.

That being said, we did get our IPv6 /32 allocation from ARIN. If anyone has 
any ideas on how to properly deploy this in an ISP environment, I'd love to 
learn. I've read some whitepapers on the subject, but most of those deal with 
enterprise based networks, and not so much as a service provider.


Probably others as well, but afaik RIPE NCC's courses are targeting the SP 
side a bit more to start getting your feet wet:


https://www.ripe.net/support/training/courses/ipv6/outline
https://www.ripe.net/support/training/courses/advanced-ipv6/outline

How that interacts with your particular equipment etc. is a bigger 
question...




Kind Regards,
Shon Elliott, KK6TOO
unWired Broadband, Inc.
www.getunwired.com




--
Hugo

h...@slabnet.com: email, xmpp/jabber
PGP fingerprint (B178313E):
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(also on Signal)




-Original Message-
From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Monday, January 11, 2016 12:11 PM
To: North American Network Operators' Group 
Subject: Re: Best Source for ARIN Region /24

Some expansions under my ISP hat may lead to needing some address space, so I'd 
be interested in where people are getting space from as well. Smaller blocks, 
though, /22 and smaller.




-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com



Midwest Internet Exchange
http://www.midwest-ix.com


- Original Message -

From: "Matthew D. Hardeman" 
To: nanog@nanog.org
Sent: Monday, January 11, 2016 1:19:00 PM
Subject: Best Source for ARIN Region /24

I’m looking to buy a /24 of space for a new multi-homed network in the ARIN 
region. Can anyone out there speak to going rates for a /24 and best places to 
shop?




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Re: Best Source for ARIN Region /24

[Brough Turner]

Note that ARIN has a list of "Registered Transfer Facilitators" at:
   https://www.arin.net/resources/transfer_listing/facilitator_list.html

I've just started look into buying a /20.  So far, Hilco Streambank auction
prices seemed better than the two other facilitators I have communicated
with. If this whole topic is off target for this list, off list responses
would be welcome..., also pointers to any other appropriate forum.

Thanks,
Brough

Brough Turner
netBlazr Inc. – Free your Broadband!
Mobile:  617-285-0433   Skype:  brough
netBlazr Inc. <http://www.netblazr.com/> | Google+
<https://plus.google.com/102447512447094746687/posts?hl=en> | Twitter
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On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 3:01 PM, Christopher Dye 
wrote:

> I just paid way too much from Hilco Streambank on Auction. I think I ended
> up spending about $2500 + ARIN fees (but I really needed it).
> www.ipv4auctions.com
>
> Christopher Dye
> Chief Technology Officer
> Paragon Solutions Group, Inc.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Ray Orsini
> Sent: Monday, January 11, 2016 1:22 PM
> To: Matthew D. Hardeman ; nanog@nanog.org
> Subject: RE: Best Source for ARIN Region /24
>
> Ditto here. Seems like Matthew beat me to the question
>
> Regards,
> Ray Orsini – CEO
> Orsini IT, LLC – Technology Consultants
> VOICE DATA  BANDWIDTH  SECURITY  SUPPORT
> P: 305.967.6756 x1009   E: r...@orsiniit.com   TF: 844.OIT.VOIP
> 7900 NW 155th Street, Suite 103, Miami Lakes, FL 33016
> http://www.orsiniit.com | View My Calendar | View/Pay Your Invoices |
> View Your Tickets
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Matthew D.
> Hardeman
> Sent: Monday, January 11, 2016 2:19 PM
> To: nanog@nanog.org
> Subject: Best Source for ARIN Region /24
>
> I’m looking to buy a /24 of space for a new multi-homed network in the
> ARIN region.  Can anyone out there speak to going rates for a /24 and best
> places to shop?
>

RE: Best Source for ARIN Region /24

[Shon Elliott]

I also am interested in where people are finding blocks of /22 or smaller just 
in case. We have some blocks from Level 3, but eventually, we're going to be 
out. 

That being said, we did get our IPv6 /32 allocation from ARIN. If anyone has 
any ideas on how to properly deploy this in an ISP environment, I'd love to 
learn. I've read some whitepapers on the subject, but most of those deal with 
enterprise based networks, and not so much as a service provider.

Kind Regards,
Shon Elliott, KK6TOO
unWired Broadband, Inc.
www.getunwired.com




-Original Message-
From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Monday, January 11, 2016 12:11 PM
To: North American Network Operators' Group 
Subject: Re: Best Source for ARIN Region /24

Some expansions under my ISP hat may lead to needing some address space, so I'd 
be interested in where people are getting space from as well. Smaller blocks, 
though, /22 and smaller. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 



Midwest Internet Exchange 
http://www.midwest-ix.com 


- Original Message -

From: "Matthew D. Hardeman"  
To: nanog@nanog.org 
Sent: Monday, January 11, 2016 1:19:00 PM 
Subject: Best Source for ARIN Region /24 

I’m looking to buy a /24 of space for a new multi-homed network in the ARIN 
region. Can anyone out there speak to going rates for a /24 and best places to 
shop? 

Re: Best Source for ARIN Region /24

[Owen DeLong]

About $10/address seems to be the going rate, so why do you say you paid too 
much?

Owen

> On Jan 11, 2016, at 12:01 , Christopher Dye  wrote:
> 
> I just paid way too much from Hilco Streambank on Auction. I think I ended up 
> spending about $2500 + ARIN fees (but I really needed it). 
> www.ipv4auctions.com
> 
> Christopher Dye
> Chief Technology Officer
> Paragon Solutions Group, Inc. 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Ray Orsini
> Sent: Monday, January 11, 2016 1:22 PM
> To: Matthew D. Hardeman ; nanog@nanog.org
> Subject: RE: Best Source for ARIN Region /24
> 
> Ditto here. Seems like Matthew beat me to the question
> 
> Regards,
> Ray Orsini – CEO
> Orsini IT, LLC – Technology Consultants
> VOICE DATA  BANDWIDTH  SECURITY  SUPPORT
> P: 305.967.6756 x1009   E: r...@orsiniit.com   TF: 844.OIT.VOIP
> 7900 NW 155th Street, Suite 103, Miami Lakes, FL 33016 
> http://www.orsiniit.com | View My Calendar | View/Pay Your Invoices | View 
> Your Tickets
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Matthew D.
> Hardeman
> Sent: Monday, January 11, 2016 2:19 PM
> To: nanog@nanog.org
> Subject: Best Source for ARIN Region /24
> 
> I’m looking to buy a /24 of space for a new multi-homed network in the ARIN 
> region.  Can anyone out there speak to going rates for a /24 and best places 
> to shop?

Re: Best Source for ARIN Region /24

[Jeremy Austin]

On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 11:10 AM, Mike Hammett  wrote:

> Some expansions under my ISP hat may lead to needing some address space,
> so I'd be interested in where people are getting space from as well.
> Smaller blocks, though, /22 and smaller.
>

Me too, but "will" instead of "may".

Jeremy Austin

Re: Best Source for ARIN Region /24

[Mike Hammett]

Some expansions under my ISP hat may lead to needing some address space, so I'd 
be interested in where people are getting space from as well. Smaller blocks, 
though, /22 and smaller. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 



Midwest Internet Exchange 
http://www.midwest-ix.com 


- Original Message -

From: "Matthew D. Hardeman"  
To: nanog@nanog.org 
Sent: Monday, January 11, 2016 1:19:00 PM 
Subject: Best Source for ARIN Region /24 

I’m looking to buy a /24 of space for a new multi-homed network in the ARIN 
region. Can anyone out there speak to going rates for a /24 and best places to 
shop? 

Re: Best Source for ARIN Region /24

[Matthew D. Hardeman]

So far, some of the off-list responses that I’ve seen from my inquiry are 
beating out the pricing that shows on Hilco Streambank’s site.


> On Jan 11, 2016, at 2:01 PM, Christopher Dye  wrote:
> 
> I just paid way too much from Hilco Streambank on Auction. I think I ended up 
> spending about $2500 + ARIN fees (but I really needed it). 
> www.ipv4auctions.com
> 
> Christopher Dye
> Chief Technology Officer
> Paragon Solutions Group, Inc. 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Ray Orsini
> Sent: Monday, January 11, 2016 1:22 PM
> To: Matthew D. Hardeman ; nanog@nanog.org
> Subject: RE: Best Source for ARIN Region /24
> 
> Ditto here. Seems like Matthew beat me to the question
> 
> Regards,
> Ray Orsini – CEO
> Orsini IT, LLC – Technology Consultants
> VOICE DATA  BANDWIDTH  SECURITY  SUPPORT
> P: 305.967.6756 x1009   E: r...@orsiniit.com   TF: 844.OIT.VOIP
> 7900 NW 155th Street, Suite 103, Miami Lakes, FL 33016 
> http://www.orsiniit.com | View My Calendar | View/Pay Your Invoices | View 
> Your Tickets
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Matthew D.
> Hardeman
> Sent: Monday, January 11, 2016 2:19 PM
> To: nanog@nanog.org
> Subject: Best Source for ARIN Region /24
> 
> I’m looking to buy a /24 of space for a new multi-homed network in the ARIN 
> region.  Can anyone out there speak to going rates for a /24 and best places 
> to shop?



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RE: Best Source for ARIN Region /24

[Christopher Dye]

I just paid way too much from Hilco Streambank on Auction. I think I ended up 
spending about $2500 + ARIN fees (but I really needed it). www.ipv4auctions.com

Christopher Dye
Chief Technology Officer
Paragon Solutions Group, Inc. 

-Original Message-
From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Ray Orsini
Sent: Monday, January 11, 2016 1:22 PM
To: Matthew D. Hardeman ; nanog@nanog.org
Subject: RE: Best Source for ARIN Region /24

Ditto here. Seems like Matthew beat me to the question

Regards,
Ray Orsini – CEO
Orsini IT, LLC – Technology Consultants
VOICE DATA  BANDWIDTH  SECURITY  SUPPORT
P: 305.967.6756 x1009   E: r...@orsiniit.com   TF: 844.OIT.VOIP
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-Original Message-
From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Matthew D.
Hardeman
Sent: Monday, January 11, 2016 2:19 PM
To: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Best Source for ARIN Region /24

I’m looking to buy a /24 of space for a new multi-homed network in the ARIN 
region.  Can anyone out there speak to going rates for a /24 and best places to 
shop?


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RE: Best Source for ARIN Region /24

[Ray Orsini]

Ditto here. Seems like Matthew beat me to the question

Regards,
Ray Orsini – CEO
Orsini IT, LLC – Technology Consultants
VOICE DATA  BANDWIDTH  SECURITY  SUPPORT
P: 305.967.6756 x1009   E: r...@orsiniit.com   TF: 844.OIT.VOIP
7900 NW 155th Street, Suite 103, Miami Lakes, FL 33016
http://www.orsiniit.com | View My Calendar | View/Pay Your Invoices | View
Your Tickets




-Original Message-
From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Matthew D.
Hardeman
Sent: Monday, January 11, 2016 2:19 PM
To: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Best Source for ARIN Region /24

I’m looking to buy a /24 of space for a new multi-homed network in the ARIN
region.  Can anyone out there speak to going rates for a /24 and best places
to shop?

Best Source for ARIN Region /24

[Matthew D. Hardeman]

I’m looking to buy a /24 of space for a new multi-homed network in the ARIN 
region.  Can anyone out there speak to going rates for a /24 and best places to 
shop?



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