Re: FTTx Active-Ethernet Hardware
We have several of them in service for almost 18 months now. Overall I'm happy with them, but I have had some minor issues. I had an issue where DHCP Option 82 information was incorrect and support had a new firmware fix within 72 hours. When trying to access the oldest events in the detailed system log after months of uptime will cause the switch to reboot. I have an issue where SFP's won't fully power up or turn on when inserted. Move the SFP to a different port and it will work fine. OR if you leave it in the non working port and power cycle the switch it will then work fine. May just be an incompatibility with the cheap fiberstore SFPs. Other than that I can't think of anything else. We're not doing anything fancy on them. Just single vlan per port. Gerard On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 4:55 AM, Denis Fondras xx...@ledeuns.net wrote: Hi, Price and functionality-wise Planet MGSW-28240F and GSD-1020S look pretty close to what I'm looking for. Anyone have real experience with using them on a large scale? Performance? Thank you for the pointer to MGSW-28240F. I am also curious to hear some feedback as the gear is awfully low-priced :) Denis
Re: FTTx Active-Ethernet Hardware
On 11/Feb/15 14:49, Tarko Tikan wrote: It is being replaced by ASR-920-24SZ-M - 24GE Fiber and 4-10GE: Modular PSU. I don't think this ASR920 has been announced yet :) Well, it's on the web site, and our AM team gave us a price a few weeks ago. I'm just surprised why they'd do this, considering you need tons of ports in an FTTH setup, and the ASR920 is short on those. I've asked the BU to work on a 48-port switch re: the ASR920, as I think that would go well with the 4x 10Gbps uplink ports and make for a good upgrade path for the ME3600X/3800X. Cisco's thinking of getting 4x 10Gbps ports on the ASR920 (compared to 2x on the ME3600X/3800X) is if operators have customers that want to take 10Gbps ports, they can use the additional 10Gbps ports. Not sure how good an idea that is, as for me, I'd not be willing to tell customers we can do 10Gbps at a PoP with this device since I can only sell to one customer; two at the most if I'm being really pushy with the unit. I'd need some scalability. Mark.
Re: FTTx Active-Ethernet Hardware
Hi, Price and functionality-wise Planet MGSW-28240F and GSD-1020S look pretty close to what I'm looking for. Anyone have real experience with using them on a large scale? Performance? Thank you for the pointer to MGSW-28240F. I am also curious to hear some feedback as the gear is awfully low-priced :) Denis
Re: FTTx Active-Ethernet Hardware
hey, I understand it is now being replaced by the ASR920, which is a little odd if you look at port density differences between the two alone. It is being replaced by ASR-920-24SZ-M - 24GE Fiber and 4-10GE: Modular PSU. I don't think this ASR920 has been announced yet :) -- tarko
Re: FTTx Active-Ethernet Hardware
http://www.cisco.com/c/en/us/products/collateral/routers/asr-920-series-aggregation-services-router/datasheet-c78-733397.html Aled On 11 February 2015 at 12:49, Tarko Tikan ta...@lanparty.ee wrote: hey, I understand it is now being replaced by the ASR920, which is a little odd if you look at port density differences between the two alone. It is being replaced by ASR-920-24SZ-M - 24GE Fiber and 4-10GE: Modular PSU. I don't think this ASR920 has been announced yet :) -- tarko
Re: FTTx Active-Ethernet Hardware
We are using TP-LINK for ETTH, and it seems very good with a fair price. Only the problem is they like to make completely another device and sell it as the same part number but another hardware revision which is only written by small letters on the device itself. So you have to keep an eye on it. On 10.02.15 15:34, Mike Hammett wrote: Check out Mikrotik, Planet and TP-Link. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Ray Soucy r...@maine.edu To: NANOG nanog@nanog.org Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2015 7:31:22 AM Subject: FTTx Active-Ethernet Hardware One thing I'm personally interested in is the growth of municipal FTTx that's starting to happen around the US and possibly applying that model to highly rural areas (e.g. 10 mile long town with no side streets, existing utility polls, 250 or so homes) and doing a realistic cost analysis of what that would take. What options are out there for Active-Ethernet hardware. Ideally something that could handle G.8032 and 802.1ad in hardware for the distribution side (24 or 48-port SFP metro switch) and something inexpensive for the access side but still managed (e.g. a 4-port switch with an SFP uplink supporting Q-in-Q). I'm really looking for something cheap to keep costs down for a proof-of-concept. The stuff from Cisco and even Ciena is a bit more expensive than my target.
Re: FTTx Active-Ethernet Hardware
On Tue, 10 Feb 2015, Ray Soucy wrote: What options are out there for Active-Ethernet hardware. Ideally something that could handle G.8032 and 802.1ad in hardware for the distribution side (24 or 48-port SFP metro switch) and something inexpensive for the access side but still managed (e.g. a 4-port switch with an SFP uplink supporting Q-in-Q). These kinds of devices are quite popular here in Sweden where we basically have no PON what so ever (I know of no major PON deployments, everything is active ethernet either over CAT5e/CAT6 or fiber): http://inteno.se/store/tabid/141/categoryid/130/productid/783/default.aspx http://inteno.se/store/tabid/141/categoryid/130/productid/771/default.aspx http://inteno.se/store/tabid/141/categoryid/130/productid/442/default.aspx (I am not affiliated with Inteno, I just know they are quite common in the market here and the above list is to provide examples of producs used here) They typically use BiDi optics to run bidirectional fiber over single strand, in some cases in conjunction with hardware that runs HFC on the other strand. I'm really looking for something cheap to keep costs down for a proof-of-concept. The stuff from Cisco and even Ciena is a bit more expensive than my target. Typically people here tend to buy regular enterprise hardware, but still that can do the BCP38 kind of stuff needed to deliver a proper secure end user connection. List of some vendors here: http://secureenduserconnection.se/certified-products/ http://secureenduserconnection.se/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/SEC-Secure-End-user-Connection-2014-05-30.pdf is a good document to make sure your network follows as well. -- Mikael Abrahamssonemail: swm...@swm.pp.se
Re: FTTx Active-Ethernet Hardware
Thank you, this is useful information. From your perspective as a user, do things seem fairly stable? On Tue, Feb 10, 2015 at 9:52 AM, Ammar Zuberi am...@fastreturn.net wrote: Hi, Here in Dubai they have a wide FTTH deployment (almost 80% of homes and offices) with almost no copper in the service provider networks. They use these Planet devices in every deployment I've taken a look at so far. Ammar On 10 Feb 2015, at 6:42 pm, Ray Soucy r...@maine.edu wrote: Price and functionality-wise Planet MGSW-28240F and GSD-1020S look pretty close to what I'm looking for. Anyone have real experience with using them on a large scale? Performance? On Tue, Feb 10, 2015 at 8:34 AM, Mike Hammett na...@ics-il.net wrote: Check out Mikrotik, Planet and TP-Link. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Ray Soucy r...@maine.edu To: NANOG nanog@nanog.org Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2015 7:31:22 AM Subject: FTTx Active-Ethernet Hardware One thing I'm personally interested in is the growth of municipal FTTx that's starting to happen around the US and possibly applying that model to highly rural areas (e.g. 10 mile long town with no side streets, existing utility polls, 250 or so homes) and doing a realistic cost analysis of what that would take. What options are out there for Active-Ethernet hardware. Ideally something that could handle G.8032 and 802.1ad in hardware for the distribution side (24 or 48-port SFP metro switch) and something inexpensive for the access side but still managed (e.g. a 4-port switch with an SFP uplink supporting Q-in-Q). I'm really looking for something cheap to keep costs down for a proof-of-concept. The stuff from Cisco and even Ciena is a bit more expensive than my target. -- Ray Patrick Soucy Network Engineer University of Maine System T: 207-561-3526 F: 207-561-3531 MaineREN, Maine's Research and Education Network www.maineren.net -- Ray Patrick Soucy Network Engineer University of Maine System T: 207-561-3526 F: 207-561-3531 MaineREN, Maine's Research and Education Network www.maineren.net -- Ray Patrick Soucy Network Engineer University of Maine System T: 207-561-3526 F: 207-561-3531 MaineREN, Maine's Research and Education Network www.maineren.net
RE: FTTx Active-Ethernet Hardware
We are small ISP. We used Linksys SPS208G for access level, and Cisco ME3400 for aggregation purposes. On Core level we use Cisco3560, now we have some plans to migrate to Cat 6500. -Original Message- From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Ray Soucy Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2015 5:42 PM To: Mike Hammett Cc: NANOG Subject: Re: FTTx Active-Ethernet Hardware Price and functionality-wise Planet MGSW-28240F and GSD-1020S look pretty close to what I'm looking for. Anyone have real experience with using them on a large scale? Performance? On Tue, Feb 10, 2015 at 8:34 AM, Mike Hammett na...@ics-il.net wrote: Check out Mikrotik, Planet and TP-Link. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Ray Soucy r...@maine.edu To: NANOG nanog@nanog.org Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2015 7:31:22 AM Subject: FTTx Active-Ethernet Hardware One thing I'm personally interested in is the growth of municipal FTTx that's starting to happen around the US and possibly applying that model to highly rural areas (e.g. 10 mile long town with no side streets, existing utility polls, 250 or so homes) and doing a realistic cost analysis of what that would take. What options are out there for Active-Ethernet hardware. Ideally something that could handle G.8032 and 802.1ad in hardware for the distribution side (24 or 48-port SFP metro switch) and something inexpensive for the access side but still managed (e.g. a 4-port switch with an SFP uplink supporting Q-in-Q). I'm really looking for something cheap to keep costs down for a proof-of-concept. The stuff from Cisco and even Ciena is a bit more expensive than my target. -- Ray Patrick Soucy Network Engineer University of Maine System T: 207-561-3526 F: 207-561-3531 MaineREN, Maine's Research and Education Network www.maineren.net -- Ray Patrick Soucy Network Engineer University of Maine System T: 207-561-3526 F: 207-561-3531 MaineREN, Maine's Research and Education Network www.maineren.net
Re: FTTx Active-Ethernet Hardware
Hi, Here in Dubai they have a wide FTTH deployment (almost 80% of homes and offices) with almost no copper in the service provider networks. They use these Planet devices in every deployment I've taken a look at so far. Ammar On 10 Feb 2015, at 6:42 pm, Ray Soucy r...@maine.edu wrote: Price and functionality-wise Planet MGSW-28240F and GSD-1020S look pretty close to what I'm looking for. Anyone have real experience with using them on a large scale? Performance? On Tue, Feb 10, 2015 at 8:34 AM, Mike Hammett na...@ics-il.net wrote: Check out Mikrotik, Planet and TP-Link. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Ray Soucy r...@maine.edu To: NANOG nanog@nanog.org Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2015 7:31:22 AM Subject: FTTx Active-Ethernet Hardware One thing I'm personally interested in is the growth of municipal FTTx that's starting to happen around the US and possibly applying that model to highly rural areas (e.g. 10 mile long town with no side streets, existing utility polls, 250 or so homes) and doing a realistic cost analysis of what that would take. What options are out there for Active-Ethernet hardware. Ideally something that could handle G.8032 and 802.1ad in hardware for the distribution side (24 or 48-port SFP metro switch) and something inexpensive for the access side but still managed (e.g. a 4-port switch with an SFP uplink supporting Q-in-Q). I'm really looking for something cheap to keep costs down for a proof-of-concept. The stuff from Cisco and even Ciena is a bit more expensive than my target. -- Ray Patrick Soucy Network Engineer University of Maine System T: 207-561-3526 F: 207-561-3531 MaineREN, Maine's Research and Education Network www.maineren.net -- Ray Patrick Soucy Network Engineer University of Maine System T: 207-561-3526 F: 207-561-3531 MaineREN, Maine's Research and Education Network www.maineren.net
Re: FTTx Active-Ethernet Hardware
Hi, Generally, I haven’t seen many issues. I see our home Internet slow down once in a while, but I doubt its anything to do with the Planet devices but more so with the way the provider operates their network. Ammar On Feb 10, 2015, at 7:05 PM, Ray Soucy r...@maine.edu wrote: Thank you, this is useful information. From your perspective as a user, do things seem fairly stable? On Tue, Feb 10, 2015 at 9:52 AM, Ammar Zuberi am...@fastreturn.net wrote: Hi, Here in Dubai they have a wide FTTH deployment (almost 80% of homes and offices) with almost no copper in the service provider networks. They use these Planet devices in every deployment I've taken a look at so far. Ammar On 10 Feb 2015, at 6:42 pm, Ray Soucy r...@maine.edu wrote: Price and functionality-wise Planet MGSW-28240F and GSD-1020S look pretty close to what I'm looking for. Anyone have real experience with using them on a large scale? Performance? On Tue, Feb 10, 2015 at 8:34 AM, Mike Hammett na...@ics-il.net wrote: Check out Mikrotik, Planet and TP-Link. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Ray Soucy r...@maine.edu To: NANOG nanog@nanog.org Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2015 7:31:22 AM Subject: FTTx Active-Ethernet Hardware One thing I'm personally interested in is the growth of municipal FTTx that's starting to happen around the US and possibly applying that model to highly rural areas (e.g. 10 mile long town with no side streets, existing utility polls, 250 or so homes) and doing a realistic cost analysis of what that would take. What options are out there for Active-Ethernet hardware. Ideally something that could handle G.8032 and 802.1ad in hardware for the distribution side (24 or 48-port SFP metro switch) and something inexpensive for the access side but still managed (e.g. a 4-port switch with an SFP uplink supporting Q-in-Q). I'm really looking for something cheap to keep costs down for a proof-of-concept. The stuff from Cisco and even Ciena is a bit more expensive than my target. -- Ray Patrick Soucy Network Engineer University of Maine System T: 207-561-3526 F: 207-561-3531 MaineREN, Maine's Research and Education Network www.maineren.net -- Ray Patrick Soucy Network Engineer University of Maine System T: 207-561-3526 F: 207-561-3531 MaineREN, Maine's Research and Education Network www.maineren.net -- Ray Patrick Soucy Network Engineer University of Maine System T: 207-561-3526 F: 207-561-3531 MaineREN, Maine's Research and Education Network www.maineren.net
FTTx Active-Ethernet Hardware
One thing I'm personally interested in is the growth of municipal FTTx that's starting to happen around the US and possibly applying that model to highly rural areas (e.g. 10 mile long town with no side streets, existing utility polls, 250 or so homes) and doing a realistic cost analysis of what that would take. What options are out there for Active-Ethernet hardware. Ideally something that could handle G.8032 and 802.1ad in hardware for the distribution side (24 or 48-port SFP metro switch) and something inexpensive for the access side but still managed (e.g. a 4-port switch with an SFP uplink supporting Q-in-Q). I'm really looking for something cheap to keep costs down for a proof-of-concept. The stuff from Cisco and even Ciena is a bit more expensive than my target. -- Ray Patrick Soucy Network Engineer University of Maine System T: 207-561-3526 F: 207-561-3531 MaineREN, Maine's Research and Education Network www.maineren.net
Re: FTTx Active-Ethernet Hardware
Check out Mikrotik, Planet and TP-Link. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Ray Soucy r...@maine.edu To: NANOG nanog@nanog.org Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2015 7:31:22 AM Subject: FTTx Active-Ethernet Hardware One thing I'm personally interested in is the growth of municipal FTTx that's starting to happen around the US and possibly applying that model to highly rural areas (e.g. 10 mile long town with no side streets, existing utility polls, 250 or so homes) and doing a realistic cost analysis of what that would take. What options are out there for Active-Ethernet hardware. Ideally something that could handle G.8032 and 802.1ad in hardware for the distribution side (24 or 48-port SFP metro switch) and something inexpensive for the access side but still managed (e.g. a 4-port switch with an SFP uplink supporting Q-in-Q). I'm really looking for something cheap to keep costs down for a proof-of-concept. The stuff from Cisco and even Ciena is a bit more expensive than my target. -- Ray Patrick Soucy Network Engineer University of Maine System T: 207-561-3526 F: 207-561-3531 MaineREN, Maine's Research and Education Network www.maineren.net
Re: FTTx Active-Ethernet Hardware
On 10/Feb/15 15:31, Ray Soucy wrote: I'm really looking for something cheap to keep costs down for a proof-of-concept. The stuff from Cisco and even Ciena is a bit more expensive than my target. I hear Cisco were discontinuing the ME2600X, but not sure if that is still happening. Do you find that unit too expensive still? Mark.
Re: FTTx Active-Ethernet Hardware
On 10/Feb/15 21:35, Frank Bulk wrote: Unless each customer has in their own L3 domain, you'll also want some kind of L2 isolation between ports (and also MFF) and IP source address verification (so that people can't spoof addresses) for both DHPC and static IP customers. And don't forget the IPv6 equivalents. You can get all that in a decent Active-E-based AN (as you would in a GPON AN). But then the price starts to go up if you want this in software as opposed to doing funky things. Cisco's ME2600X was, for me, one of the first proper Active-E FTTH AN's with features required in FTTH deployments (split horizon for Layer 2 customer separation, DHCP Option 82 support, per-port level trTCM ingress and egress policing and queuing, EVC's, e.t.c.). I understand it is now being replaced by the ASR920, which is a little odd if you look at port density differences between the two alone. For the GPON-centric, it is also being replaced by Cisco's ME4605 GPON AN. Final date to buy any ME2600X's will be June 2015. Mark.
RE: FTTx Active-Ethernet Hardware
Unless each customer has in their own L3 domain, you'll also want some kind of L2 isolation between ports (and also MFF) and IP source address verification (so that people can't spoof addresses) for both DHPC and static IP customers. And don't forget the IPv6 equivalents. Frank -Original Message- From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Ray Soucy Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2015 7:31 AM To: NANOG Subject: FTTx Active-Ethernet Hardware One thing I'm personally interested in is the growth of municipal FTTx that's starting to happen around the US and possibly applying that model to highly rural areas (e.g. 10 mile long town with no side streets, existing utility polls, 250 or so homes) and doing a realistic cost analysis of what that would take. What options are out there for Active-Ethernet hardware. Ideally something that could handle G.8032 and 802.1ad in hardware for the distribution side (24 or 48-port SFP metro switch) and something inexpensive for the access side but still managed (e.g. a 4-port switch with an SFP uplink supporting Q-in-Q). I'm really looking for something cheap to keep costs down for a proof-of-concept. The stuff from Cisco and even Ciena is a bit more expensive than my target. -- Ray Patrick Soucy Network Engineer University of Maine System T: 207-561-3526 F: 207-561-3531 MaineREN, Maine's Research and Education Network www.maineren.net
Re: FTTx Active-Ethernet Hardware
We run Calix GPON / AE Platform works fairly nicely but does have it¹s cost. Carlos Alcantar Race Communications / Race Team Member 1325 Howard Ave. #604, Burlingame, CA. 94010 Phone: +1 415 376 3314 / car...@race.com / http://www.race.com http://www.race.com/ On 2/10/15, 1:27 PM, Mark Tinka mark.ti...@seacom.mu wrote: On 10/Feb/15 21:35, Frank Bulk wrote: Unless each customer has in their own L3 domain, you'll also want some kind of L2 isolation between ports (and also MFF) and IP source address verification (so that people can't spoof addresses) for both DHPC and static IP customers. And don't forget the IPv6 equivalents. You can get all that in a decent Active-E-based AN (as you would in a GPON AN). But then the price starts to go up if you want this in software as opposed to doing funky things. Cisco's ME2600X was, for me, one of the first proper Active-E FTTH AN's with features required in FTTH deployments (split horizon for Layer 2 customer separation, DHCP Option 82 support, per-port level trTCM ingress and egress policing and queuing, EVC's, e.t.c.). I understand it is now being replaced by the ASR920, which is a little odd if you look at port density differences between the two alone. For the GPON-centric, it is also being replaced by Cisco's ME4605 GPON AN. Final date to buy any ME2600X's will be June 2015. Mark.
Re: FTTx Active-Ethernet Hardware
Price and functionality-wise Planet MGSW-28240F and GSD-1020S look pretty close to what I'm looking for. Anyone have real experience with using them on a large scale? Performance? On Tue, Feb 10, 2015 at 8:34 AM, Mike Hammett na...@ics-il.net wrote: Check out Mikrotik, Planet and TP-Link. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Ray Soucy r...@maine.edu To: NANOG nanog@nanog.org Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2015 7:31:22 AM Subject: FTTx Active-Ethernet Hardware One thing I'm personally interested in is the growth of municipal FTTx that's starting to happen around the US and possibly applying that model to highly rural areas (e.g. 10 mile long town with no side streets, existing utility polls, 250 or so homes) and doing a realistic cost analysis of what that would take. What options are out there for Active-Ethernet hardware. Ideally something that could handle G.8032 and 802.1ad in hardware for the distribution side (24 or 48-port SFP metro switch) and something inexpensive for the access side but still managed (e.g. a 4-port switch with an SFP uplink supporting Q-in-Q). I'm really looking for something cheap to keep costs down for a proof-of-concept. The stuff from Cisco and even Ciena is a bit more expensive than my target. -- Ray Patrick Soucy Network Engineer University of Maine System T: 207-561-3526 F: 207-561-3531 MaineREN, Maine's Research and Education Network www.maineren.net -- Ray Patrick Soucy Network Engineer University of Maine System T: 207-561-3526 F: 207-561-3531 MaineREN, Maine's Research and Education Network www.maineren.net
