Re: GPON Optical Levels

2015-10-13 Thread Florian Lohoff
On Mon, Oct 12, 2015 at 10:46:59PM +0200, Baldur Norddahl wrote:
> Here is a small secret: If you attenuate the PON port so the signal level
> at the OLT is as low as possible, your network will be more robust against
> people connecting P2P fiber media converters to your network. This is
> because these devices typically have TX power that is significantly less
> than your ONUs. By attenuate the signal you can bring the rogue signal
> below the detection threshold of the OLT.
> 
> In my experience one way to do this is to always use 1:128 splits. Even if
> you are only going to connect less than 32 ONUs, you will find that 1:128
> can be more robust. In fact I discovered this little trick after we started
> using 1:128 splits (for flexibility, not because we actually connect that
> many clients). Because the fiber plant is shared with other service

Wouldnt a 1:32 splitter + a 9dB attenuation be the same? From
the price/performance the 1:128 splitter should be much more expensive.

We have seen happening the same converting a former p2p footprint to
GPON and somebody got a left over p2p device connected. But this was
a single incident so far.

Flo
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Re: GPON Optical Levels

2015-10-12 Thread Baldur Norddahl
On 12 October 2015 at 18:25, Jameson, Daniel 
wrote:

> There should never be a need to attenuate a PON port unless you're working
> directly on the OLT (You should work through a splitter even directly in
> the CO/HE)
>

Here is a small secret: If you attenuate the PON port so the signal level
at the OLT is as low as possible, your network will be more robust against
people connecting P2P fiber media converters to your network. This is
because these devices typically have TX power that is significantly less
than your ONUs. By attenuate the signal you can bring the rogue signal
below the detection threshold of the OLT.

In my experience one way to do this is to always use 1:128 splits. Even if
you are only going to connect less than 32 ONUs, you will find that 1:128
can be more robust. In fact I discovered this little trick after we started
using 1:128 splits (for flexibility, not because we actually connect that
many clients). Because the fiber plant is shared with other service
providers, we used to have OLT crashes due to people connecting a media
converter they got from another service provider. I found that we had zero
of these issues where we had 1:128 splits.

Btw we use class C+ optics. This might work out differently if you have
class B optics.

Regards,

Baldur


RE: GPON Optical Levels

2015-10-12 Thread Jameson, Daniel
A good general rule of thumb for optics is +-4.  Try to stay 4 db off the 
bottom,  and 4db off the top.   The sweet-spot RSL is  between 1/2 and 2/3 of 
the optical budget.  For PON,  typical OLT/ONT optics run Receive Max of -8,  
and Min of -27 with an optical de-assert at -31.  The sweet-spot is between -17 
and -20,  with a min/max of -12 to -23.

A typical PON system will have a TX power between +3 and +5,  with a 32 way 
split, add 15dB of insertion loss.  You should see -12 on the output of the 
first splitter (less the optical loss of the fiber between the OLT and the 
Splitter est .3/km)

There should never be a need to attenuate a PON port unless you're working 
directly on the OLT (You should work through a splitter even directly in the 
CO/HE)




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On Mon, Oct 12, 2015 at 10:47 AM, Colton Conor 
wrote:

> We are deploying our first GPON network, and are trying to get a sense 
> of what is a good optical level per ONT. The equipment install guide 
> says the
> following:
>
> Measure the levels of the 1550 dBm and 1490 dBm receive optical inputs 
> using
>
> an optical power meter. The input range should be between -27.0 dBm to 
> -8
>
> dBm.
>
>
> Attached are the measurements I can see and graph from the ONT side.
> Trying to get a sense of what range we would graph as good
> (green) measured within the clear, what we could consider yellow as 
> working but out of optimal range, and what we could consider poor (red) range.
>
>
> What about the Laser Bias Current, Optics Module Voltage, and Optics 
> Module temperature?
>
>


Re: GPON Optical Levels

2015-10-12 Thread Colton Conor
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On Mon, Oct 12, 2015 at 10:47 AM, Colton Conor 
wrote:

> We are deploying our first GPON network, and are trying to get a sense of
> what is a good optical level per ONT. The equipment install guide says the
> following:
>
> Measure the levels of the 1550 dBm and 1490 dBm receive optical inputs
> using
>
> an optical power meter. The input range should be between -27.0 dBm to -8
>
> dBm.
>
>
> Attached are the measurements I can see and graph from the ONT side.
> Trying to get a sense of what range we would graph as good
> (green) measured within the clear, what we could consider yellow as working
> but out of optimal range, and what we could consider poor (red) range.
>
>
> What about the Laser Bias Current, Optics Module Voltage, and Optics
> Module temperature?
>
>


GPON Optical Levels

2015-10-12 Thread Colton Conor
We are deploying our first GPON network, and are trying to get a sense of
what is a good optical level per ONT. The equipment install guide says the
following:

Measure the levels of the 1550 dBm and 1490 dBm receive optical inputs using

an optical power meter. The input range should be between -27.0 dBm to -8

dBm.


Attached are the measurements I can see and graph from the ONT side. Trying
to get a sense of what range we would graph as good (green) measured within
the clear, what we could consider yellow as working but out of optimal
range, and what we could consider poor (red) range.


What about the Laser Bias Current, Optics Module Voltage, and Optics Module
temperature?