Re: Cart and Horse
On Monday 13 April 2009 11:06:55 Roy wrote: > A friend mentioned at dinner yesterday that he spotted several AT&T > trucks next to manholes in the area affected by the fiber cut. They > were busy welding the manhole covers to their rims. :-) Sounds like a cutting torch or portable chop saw will become standard service equipment for them after all.
RE: Cart and Horse
Wouldn't some authentication system be more useful than trying to lock all the manholes? Picture a system maybe using RFID or some other radio system where you walk up to manhole, wave your 'wand' (like a Mobil Speedpass), you hear a couple beeps, and you're cleared to open the manhole. Without authenticating, you can still get in, but the NOCs at local utilities and telcos are notified, maybe police as well. If you can tie access to a particular person's ID, I doubt that person will misuse it. Of course, this requires power and battery backup. On the other hand, maybe it's time to put the blame on the unions. If the saboteur is found to be a union member, maybe penalize the entire union somehow, since they're acting like a terrorist group at that point. Chuck -Original Message- From: Lamar Owen [mailto:lo...@pari.edu] Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 11:22 AM To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: Cart and Horse On Monday 13 April 2009 11:06:55 Roy wrote: > A friend mentioned at dinner yesterday that he spotted several AT&T > trucks next to manholes in the area affected by the fiber cut. They > were busy welding the manhole covers to their rims. :-) Sounds like a cutting torch or portable chop saw will become standard service equipment for them after all.
Re: Cart and Horse
This bears investigating. I live 3 blocks away. Looks like I'm going on a stroll after work tonight. Bobby Glover Director of Information Services South Valley Interet (AS4307) - Original Message - From: "Roy" To: "nanog" Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 8:06 AM Subject: Cart and Horse A friend mentioned at dinner yesterday that he spotted several AT&T trucks next to manholes in the area affected by the fiber cut. They were busy welding the manhole covers to their rims.
Re: Cart and Horse
Yes, they could create a solution for this that will cost money, or they could just take out the welding specs and go to town for a fraction of the price. This type of stuff is typical of incident response... Fix the bleeding and create a long term solution that won't be as big of an impact. Regards, James Pleger e: jple...@gmail.com g: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x9D7141C9 On Apr 13, 2009, at 8:49 AM, Church, Charles wrote: Wouldn't some authentication system be more useful than trying to lock all the manholes? Picture a system maybe using RFID or some other radio system where you walk up to manhole, wave your 'wand' (like a Mobil Speedpass), you hear a couple beeps, and you're cleared to open the manhole. Without authenticating, you can still get in, but the NOCs at local utilities and telcos are notified, maybe police as well. If you can tie access to a particular person's ID, I doubt that person will misuse it. Of course, this requires power and battery backup. On the other hand, maybe it's time to put the blame on the unions. If the saboteur is found to be a union member, maybe penalize the entire union somehow, since they're acting like a terrorist group at that point. Chuck -Original Message- From: Lamar Owen [mailto:lo...@pari.edu] Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 11:22 AM To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: Cart and Horse On Monday 13 April 2009 11:06:55 Roy wrote: A friend mentioned at dinner yesterday that he spotted several AT&T trucks next to manholes in the area affected by the fiber cut. They were busy welding the manhole covers to their rims. :-) Sounds like a cutting torch or portable chop saw will become standard service equipment for them after all. PGP.sig Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: Cart and Horse
On 4/13/09, Lamar Owen wrote: > On Monday 13 April 2009 11:06:55 Roy wrote: > > A friend mentioned at dinner yesterday that he spotted several AT&T > > trucks next to manholes in the area affected by the fiber cut. They > > were busy welding the manhole covers to their rims. > > :-) > > Sounds like a cutting torch or portable chop saw will become standard service > equipment for them after all. *heh* Just in case the next vandals slice the fiber, then weld the manhole covers shut on the way out? I guess the only thing worse would be for the vandals to have a truckload of quick-drying cement with them; slice the fiber, dump quick-drying cement into the vault, pop the lid on, tamp thermite in the gap around the rim and flash weld it shut. Talk about creating an extended outage scenario. ^_^;
Re: Cart and Horse
Church, Charles wrote: Wouldn't some authentication system be more useful than trying to lock all the manholes? Picture a system maybe using RFID or some other radio system where you walk up to manhole, wave your 'wand' (like a Mobil Speedpass), you hear a couple beeps, and you're cleared to open the manhole. Without authenticating, you can still get in, but the NOCs at local utilities and telcos are notified, maybe police as well. If you can tie access to a particular person's ID, I doubt that person will misuse it. Get the guy drunk on Friday night, pickpocket his ID, cut fiber. "Roy" wrote: A friend mentioned at dinner yesterday that he spotted several AT&T trucks next to manholes in the area affected by the fiber cut. They were busy welding the manhole covers to their rims. And now the security theater begins. jc
Re: Cart and Horse
On Apr 13, 2009, at 11:59 AM, Robert Glover wrote: This bears investigating. I live 3 blocks away. Looks like I'm going on a stroll after work tonight. Bobby Glover Director of Information Services South Valley Interet (AS4307) - Original Message - From: "Roy" To: "nanog" Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 8:06 AM Subject: Cart and Horse A friend mentioned at dinner yesterday that he spotted several AT&T trucks next to manholes in the area affected by the fiber cut. They were busy welding the manhole covers to their rims. Yeah, I would have loved to be on the wall during that conversation: "So, how can we lock people out of the manholes?" "We could put locks on them?" "No, someone could just cut the locks" " We could weld them shut" "Good idea, do it" "Really sir?" "Yes, make it happen" "Uh, okay..."
Re: Cart and Horse
This is not such an odd solution. Locks are really easy to break with a screw driver and a hammer which almost everyone has and is easy to carry, but most people aren't going to have or carry a torch or a cutting wheel. After 9/11 a large portion of the man holes in NYC were welded shut to prevent them from being used to hide explosives. On Apr 13, 2009, at 6:10 PM, Joel Esler wrote: Yeah, I would have loved to be on the wall during that conversation: "So, how can we lock people out of the manholes?" "We could put locks on them?" "No, someone could just cut the locks" " We could weld them shut" "Good idea, do it" "Really sir?" "Yes, make it happen" "Uh, okay..."
