Re: Cogent cutting links to Russia?

[Martin Hannigan]

On Fri, Mar 4, 2022 at 5:17 PM Aaron Wendel 
wrote:

> I think you're reading it incorrectly.
>
> The US government and many other countries have imposed sanctions
> against Russia and barred businesses in those countries from doing
> business in Russia.  Cogent is a US based company and, even if it
> operates on foreign jurisdictions through subsidiaries, has issues
> providing services to sanctioned entities.  That's how I read the
> excerpt provided.
>
> Aaron
>




Yes.

I picked this up via news related to Lumen and Russia today.

"We decided to disconnect the network due to increased security risk inside
Russia."

https://news.lumen.com/RussiaUkraine

Warm regards,

-M<

Re: Cogent cutting links to Russia?

[Owen DeLong via NANOG]

> On Mar 7, 2022, at 07:07 , Masataka Ohta  
> wrote:
> 
> JeffP wrote:
> 
>> Actually, try this:
>> https://home.treasury.gov/news/press-releases/jy0628
> 
> Are you saying "sanctioning numerous Russian elites and their
> family members" has something to do with NANOG?
> 
>   Masataka Ohta

Well, if the sanctions in question end up causing network changes or 
disruptions, then, yeah, I’d say it has something to do with NANOG.

If that’s the basis on which Cogent is choosing to disconnect a bunch of 
Russian customers, then, yeah, that would fall into that category.

Owen

Re: Cogent cutting links to Russia?

[JeffP]

  
  
The key paragraph, to which I direct your
attention, is located at the bottom of the press release, and
may contribute to the calculations that Cogent and other
companies, with the advice of their lawyers, not some idiot
without a law degree like me, advising them. 
  
There are others on this list who do have
access to a lawyer who could advise them to what the
ramifications of doing business with companies in Russia which
are primarily owned, directly or indirectly through shell
companies, by a select chosen few, many of whom are listed in
the body of this cited press release. That is what an Oligarchy
is, a country owned and operated by a select few.
  
"In addition, any entities that are
owned, directly or indirectly, 50 percent or more by one or
more blocked persons are also blocked. All transactions by
U.S. persons or within (or transiting) the United States
that involve any property or interests in property of
designated or otherwise blocked persons are prohibited
unless authorized by a general or specific license issued by
OFAC, or exempt. These prohibitions include the making of
any contribution or provision of funds, goods, or services
by, to, or for the benefit of any blocked person and the
receipt of any contribution or provision of funds, goods, or
services from any such person."
Personally, I think providing an internet
connection would be a service, whether paid for or no, and that
would be prohibited, without first getting a specific waiver or
license to do so. But, I am just a lay person, and would seek
the advice of a lawyer before I did anything that might violate
these orders. 
  

  
On
3/7/22 07:14, J. Hellenthal via NANOG wrote:
  

  Yet another trash understanding from Jeff.

Give it a break dude!



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Re: Cogent cutting links to Russia?

[J. Hellenthal via NANOG]

Yet another trash understanding from Jeff.

Give it a break dude!

-- 

J. Hellenthal

The fact that there's a highway to Hell but only a stairway to Heaven says a 
lot about anticipated traffic volume.






> On Mar 7, 2022, at 09:07, Masataka Ohta  
> wrote:
> 
> JeffP wrote:
> 
>> Actually, try this:
>> https://home.treasury.gov/news/press-releases/jy0628
> 
> Are you saying "sanctioning numerous Russian elites and their
> family members" has something to do with NANOG?
> 
>   Masataka Ohta

Re: Cogent cutting links to Russia?

[Masataka Ohta]

Tom Beecher wrote:


If providers start making their own determinations about
what is and isn't 'ok', it's a road to massive segmentation and
separation of the internet.


That's what GAFA has been doing at the application layer, which
is more effective than similar attempts at the networking layer.

Masataka Ohta

Re: Cogent cutting links to Russia?

[Masataka Ohta]

JeffP wrote:


Actually, try this:

https://home.treasury.gov/news/press-releases/jy0628


Are you saying "sanctioning numerous Russian elites and their
family members" has something to do with NANOG?

Masataka Ohta

Re: Cogent cutting links to Russia?

[Tom Beecher]

>
> However, it could also be that given the quick rise in cyber warfare that
> they do not want to be caught in the crossfire and carrying and dealing
> with the loads of DDOS and pure hacking attempts going in both directions.
> The burden of dealing with this as well as payment issues and maybe for
> purely ethical issues of dealing with a proven lying dictatorship may have
> been the full motivation.
>

This again is a slippery , and dangerous slope.

Every network carries traffic that somebody somewhere finds
'objectionable'. If providers start making their own determinations about
what is and isn't 'ok', it's a road to massive segmentation and
separation of the internet. Already a road some countries have been going
down, which is bad enough.

( I am not implying that this is why Cogent made the choice they did.)

On Mon, Mar 7, 2022 at 8:31 AM Nicole H.  wrote:

> Some are suggesting that the disconnect by Cogent is financially
> motivated.
> However, it could also be that given the quick rise in cyber warfare that
> they do not want to be caught in the crossfire and carrying and dealing
> with the loads of DDOS and pure hacking attempts going in both directions.
> The burden of dealing with this as well as payment issues and maybe for
> purely ethical issues of dealing with a proven lying dictatorship may have
> been the full motivation.
>
>
> Nicole
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 4, 2022 at 1:41 PM Owen DeLong via NANOG 
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> > On Mar 4, 2022, at 13:14 , Bryan Fields  wrote:
>> >
>> > On 3/4/22 3:52 PM, Martin Hannigan wrote:
>> >> I would argue they don't have much of a choice:
>> >>
>> >> "The economic sanctions put in place as a result of the invasion and
>> the
>> >> increasingly uncertain security situation make it impossible for
>> Cogent to
>> >> continue to provide you with service."
>> >
>> > But Tier 1's don't pay for peering.
>>
>> Rostelecom isn’t a tier one.
>>
>> Owen
>>
>>
>
> --
>
>
> * Nicole Harrington *
> *  Operations & Engineering Manager - UNIX Systems Mistress *
> * Powered by FreeBSD*,* Linux & All Things Open Source *
>
>

Re: Cogent cutting links to Russia?

[Nicole H.]

Some are suggesting that the disconnect by Cogent is financially motivated.
However, it could also be that given the quick rise in cyber warfare that
they do not want to be caught in the crossfire and carrying and dealing
with the loads of DDOS and pure hacking attempts going in both directions.
The burden of dealing with this as well as payment issues and maybe for
purely ethical issues of dealing with a proven lying dictatorship may have
been the full motivation.


Nicole


On Fri, Mar 4, 2022 at 1:41 PM Owen DeLong via NANOG 
wrote:

>
>
> > On Mar 4, 2022, at 13:14 , Bryan Fields  wrote:
> >
> > On 3/4/22 3:52 PM, Martin Hannigan wrote:
> >> I would argue they don't have much of a choice:
> >>
> >> "The economic sanctions put in place as a result of the invasion and the
> >> increasingly uncertain security situation make it impossible for Cogent
> to
> >> continue to provide you with service."
> >
> > But Tier 1's don't pay for peering.
>
> Rostelecom isn’t a tier one.
>
> Owen
>
>

-- 


* Nicole Harrington *
*  Operations & Engineering Manager - UNIX Systems Mistress *
* Powered by FreeBSD*,* Linux & All Things Open Source *

Re: Cogent cutting links to Russia?

[JeffP]

  
  
Actually, try this:
https://home.treasury.gov/news/press-releases/jy0628

  
 
JeffP

  

  
On 3/4/22 23:59,
Masataka Ohta wrote:
  
Matthew Petach wrote:

  
  
  
  
sanctions to
prohibit "the exportation or importation of any

goods, services, or technology" is "to or from the Crimea

region of Ukraine", not Russia.

  
  
  

  That document is from 2016.
  

  
Oops.

  
  
  
  I suspect there's a
  more recent one related to the
  
  current situation.  ^_^;
  

  
https://home.treasury.gov/system/files/126/14065.pdf

  
  
should be the current most one, which is for "the so-called DNR

or LNR regions of Ukraine or such other regions of Ukraine as

may be determined by the Secretary of the Treasury, in

consultation with the Secretary of State", not Russia.

  
  
    Masataka Ohta

  
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Re: Cogent cutting links to Russia?

[Masataka Ohta]

Matthew Petach wrote:


sanctions to prohibit "the exportation or importation of any
goods, services, or technology" is "to or from the Crimea
region of Ukraine", not Russia.



That document is from 2016.


Oops.


I suspect there's a more recent one related to the
current situation.  ^_^;


https://home.treasury.gov/system/files/126/14065.pdf

should be the current most one, which is for "the so-called DNR
or LNR regions of Ukraine or such other regions of Ukraine as
may be determined by the Secretary of the Treasury, in
consultation with the Secretary of State", not Russia.

Masataka Ohta

Re: Cogent cutting links to Russia?

[Matthew Petach]

On Fri, Mar 4, 2022 at 11:00 PM Masataka Ohta <
mo...@necom830.hpcl.titech.ac.jp> wrote:

> Sean Donelan wrote:
>
> > The Russia sanctions are different (see a lawyer),
>
> It seems to me that, according to
>
>
> https://home.treasury.gov/system/files/126/ukraine_overview_of_sanctions.pdf
>
> sanctions to prohibit "the exportation or importation of any
> goods, services, or technology" is "to or from the Crimea
> region of Ukraine", not Russia.
>

That document is from 2016.

I suspect there's a more recent one related to the
current situation.  ^_^;

Matt

Re: Cogent cutting links to Russia?

[Masataka Ohta]

Sean Donelan wrote:


The Russia sanctions are different (see a lawyer),


It seems to me that, according to


https://home.treasury.gov/system/files/126/ukraine_overview_of_sanctions.pdf

sanctions to prohibit "the exportation or importation of any
goods, services, or technology" is "to or from the Crimea
region of Ukraine", not Russia.

and don't have an 
explicit general license for telecommunications and mail.


They are not necessary.

Masataka Ohta

Re: Cogent cutting links to Russia?

[Owen DeLong via NANOG]

> On Mar 4, 2022, at 14:03 , Matthew Petach  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> On Fri, Mar 4, 2022 at 12:55 PM Martin Hannigan  > wrote:
> 
> I would argue they don't have much of a choice:
> 
> "The economic sanctions put in place as a result of the invasion and the 
> increasingly uncertain security situation make it impossible for Cogent to 
> continue to provide you with service."
> 
> I would expect to see others follow suit  if that is the case.
> 
> 
> That's an interesting slope to slide along...
> 
> I fully understand ISPs disconnecting customers for non-payment; we've 
> all had to do that at one point or another in our careers, I'm sure. 
> However, that's generally done *after* the customer has demonstrated 
> an inability or unwillingness to pay their bills.
> 
> This doesn't seem to indicate that any existing invoices have gone 
> unpaid past their due date, but simply that there is *concern* that a 
> future bill might go unpaid due to the economic sanctions. 

Sanctions cut both ways, and there is the possibility that Cogent’s legal
team has said “Continue to do business with X in Russia puts you at
risk of violating sanctions.”

It’s not clear whether that’s the case or not, but I will say that if I were
doing business there and my legal team said something like that, I’d
seriously consider dropping the relevant customers quickly if it wouldn’t
be a worse consequence than violating said sanctions (which seems
unlikely).

> I'm not sure that's a good precedent for a service provider to create; 
> "we may terminate your service at any point if we suspect that at an 
> unspecified time in the future, you may become unable to pay future 
> invoices." 

Yeah, I don’t think that’s what is happening here.

Think of this more like businesses that were trading with Cuba during
the Kennedy administration. All of that abruptly stopped pretty much one
day.

> If and when bills go unpaid, I fully support turning off customers. 
> I worry about the precedent of disconnecting based on suspicions 
> of what might happen in the future, however. 

What about “If and when it becomes clear that it’s illegal to keep those
customers”?

Owen

Re: Cogent cutting links to Russia?

[Sean Donelan]

On Fri, 4 Mar 2022, Martin Hannigan wrote:

I would argue they don't have much of a choice:

"The economic sanctions put in place as a result of the invasion and the
increasingly uncertain security situation make it impossible for Cogent to
continue to provide you with service."

I would expect to see others follow suit  if that is the case.



Not a sanctions lawyer...

I understand why a company may make the business decision its not worth 
the effort to do a lot of extra work to get OFAC licenses. For example, 
some embassies in Washington DC have difficulty finding a local bank to 
handle their day-to-day transactions, and the State Department needs to 
step in to help.



The Department of Treasury, Office of Foreign Assets Control (i.e. the
sanctions people) issued a general license authorizing transactions
related to telecommunications and mail (gl19) and internet (gl22) 
regarding Ukraine.



https://home.treasury.gov/system/files/126/ukraine_gl19.pdf
https://home.treasury.gov/system/files/126/ukraine_gl22.pdf

The Russia sanctions are different (see a lawyer), and don't have an 
explicit general license for telecommunications and mail. In the past, its 
been possible to get individual export licenses for incidental 
telecommunications and mail services, even for places like North Korea.


Throughout the cold war, telephone and mail services continued to be
provided across the Iron Curtain.

Re: Cogent cutting links to Russia?

[Jorge Amodio]

I feel that the reclamation of IP address space will be more painful than the 
loss of connectivity, ouch.

-Jorge

> On Mar 4, 2022, at 1:12 PM, Andy Ringsmuth  wrote:
> 
> Here’s a paywall-free version:
> 
> https://archive.ph/TFgyg
> 
> 
> Andy Ringsmuth
> 5609 Harding Drive
> Lincoln, NE 68521-5831
> (402) 304-0083
> a...@andyring.com
> 
>> On Mar 4, 2022, at 12:52 PM, Michael Thomas  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> I know the link is paywalled, but it's super high level so not much is lost. 
>> But what does everybody think of this? I imagine that just Cogent cutting 
>> them off isn't going to make much difference.
>> 
>> https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2022/03/04/russia-ukraine-internet-cogent-cutoff/
>> 
>> Mike
>> 
> 

Re: Cogent cutting links to Russia?

[Tom Beecher]

>
> With the sanctions in place, how would Cogent get paid for providing
> service?
>

As has been said previously, taking preemptive actions based on what MAY or
MAY NOT occur is a slippery slope to be on.



On Fri, Mar 4, 2022 at 6:47 PM William Herrin  wrote:

> On Fri, Mar 4, 2022 at 1:15 PM Bryan Fields  wrote:
> > On 3/4/22 3:52 PM, Martin Hannigan wrote:
> > > I would argue they don't have much of a choice:
> > >
> > > "The economic sanctions put in place as a result of the invasion and
> the
> > > increasingly uncertain security situation make it impossible for
> Cogent to
> > > continue to provide you with service."
> >
> > But Tier 1's don't pay for peering.
>
> With the sanctions in place, how would Cogent get paid for providing
> service?
>
>
> --
> William Herrin
> b...@herrin.us
> https://bill.herrin.us/
>

Re: Cogent cutting links to Russia?

[Rubens Kuhl]

> With the sanctions in place, how would Cogent get paid for providing service?

Even considering that payments are still flowing, there is still a
risk of running afoul of sanctions. This supply chain is formally
excluded from the sanctions, but the uncertainty around them made it
stop doing business with Russia anyways:
https://edition.cnn.com/2022/03/03/investing/russia-oil-sanctions-ukraine/index.html


Rubens

Re: Cogent cutting links to Russia?

[William Herrin]

On Fri, Mar 4, 2022 at 1:15 PM Bryan Fields  wrote:
> On 3/4/22 3:52 PM, Martin Hannigan wrote:
> > I would argue they don't have much of a choice:
> >
> > "The economic sanctions put in place as a result of the invasion and the
> > increasingly uncertain security situation make it impossible for Cogent to
> > continue to provide you with service."
>
> But Tier 1's don't pay for peering.

With the sanctions in place, how would Cogent get paid for providing service?


-- 
William Herrin
b...@herrin.us
https://bill.herrin.us/

Re: Cogent cutting links to Russia?

[Lady Benjamin Cannon of Glencoe]

If sanctions were to come out after payment was received but before services 
are rendered, most providers would still not be able to provide the service.

It’s also likely that banks in question can no longer forward funds from 
Russia, even if it were still possible to provide a service.  I’m not a lawyer 
and this is where you need one, but doing business at all in Russia is going to 
become close to impossible.

I’d be curious to know how much of Cogent’s decision was weighted by choosing 
not to connect Russian customers vs being legally forced to stop.

A third possibility is that Cogent’s Russian entity (if they have one) or their 
US one is refusing to install new state-mandated surveillance hardware or 
follow certain procedures such as FSB/NSA letters, etc.

-LB

Ms. Lady Benjamin PD Cannon of Glencoe, ASCE
6x7 Networks & 6x7 Telecom, LLC 
CEO 
b...@6by7.net
"The only fully end-to-end encrypted global telecommunications company in the 
world.”
ANNOUNCING: 6x7 GLOBAL MARITIME 

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> On Mar 4, 2022, at 1:45 PM, David Conrad  wrote:
> 
> On Mar 4, 2022, at 1:14 PM, Bryan Fields  wrote:
>> On 3/4/22 3:52 PM, Martin Hannigan wrote:
>>> I would argue they don't have much of a choice:
>>> 
>>> "The economic sanctions put in place as a result of the invasion and the
>>> increasingly uncertain security situation make it impossible for Cogent to
>>> continue to provide you with service."
>> 
>> But Tier 1's don't pay for peering.
> 
> As someone who once had to have lawyers argue (at different times) with the 
> US Dept. of Treasury for (a) providing open source software deemed a munition 
> internationally and (b) updating certain globally accessible lists of names 
> and numbers for Internet use at no charge (under a US government contract no 
> less): you do not have to receive money to be viewed as providing a service.
> 
> Regards,
> -drc
> 

Re: Cogent cutting links to Russia?

[Aaron Wendel]

I think you're reading it incorrectly.

The US government and many other countries have imposed sanctions 
against Russia and barred businesses in those countries from doing 
business in Russia.  Cogent is a US based company and, even if it 
operates on foreign jurisdictions through subsidiaries, has issues 
providing services to sanctioned entities.  That's how I read the 
excerpt provided.


Aaron


On 3/4/2022 4:03 PM, Matthew Petach wrote:



On Fri, Mar 4, 2022 at 12:55 PM Martin Hannigan  
wrote:



I would argue they don't have much of a choice:

"The economic sanctions put in place as a result of the invasion
and the increasingly uncertain security situation make it
impossible for Cogent to continue to provide you with service."

I would expect to see others follow suit  if that is the case.



That's an interesting slope to slide along...

I fully understand ISPs disconnecting customers for non-payment; we've
all had to do that at one point or another in our careers, I'm sure.
However, that's generally done *after* the customer has demonstrated
an inability or unwillingness to pay their bills.

This doesn't seem to indicate that any existing invoices have gone
unpaid past their due date, but simply that there is *concern* that a
future bill might go unpaid due to the economic sanctions.

I'm not sure that's a good precedent for a service provider to create;
"we may terminate your service at any point if we suspect that at an
unspecified time in the future, you may become unable to pay future
invoices."

Shades of Minority Report.  We'll imprison you today for a crime we
suspect you will commit in the future.   ^_^;

If and when bills go unpaid, I fully support turning off customers.
I worry about the precedent of disconnecting based on suspicions
of what might happen in the future, however.

Matt


--

Aaron Wendel
Chief Technical Officer
Wholesale Internet, Inc. (AS 32097)
(816)550-9030
http://www.wholesaleinternet.com

Re: Cogent cutting links to Russia?

[Michael Thomas]

On 3/4/22 2:03 PM, Matthew Petach wrote:



On Fri, Mar 4, 2022 at 12:55 PM Martin Hannigan  
wrote:



I would argue they don't have much of a choice:

"The economic sanctions put in place as a result of the invasion
and the increasingly uncertain security situation make it
impossible for Cogent to continue to provide you with service."

I would expect to see others follow suit  if that is the case.



That's an interesting slope to slide along...

I fully understand ISPs disconnecting customers for non-payment; we've
all had to do that at one point or another in our careers, I'm sure.
However, that's generally done *after* the customer has demonstrated
an inability or unwillingness to pay their bills.

This doesn't seem to indicate that any existing invoices have gone
unpaid past their due date, but simply that there is *concern* that a
future bill might go unpaid due to the economic sanctions.

I'm not sure that's a good precedent for a service provider to create;
"we may terminate your service at any point if we suspect that at an
unspecified time in the future, you may become unable to pay future
invoices."

Shades of Minority Report.  We'll imprison you today for a crime we
suspect you will commit in the future.   ^_^;

If and when bills go unpaid, I fully support turning off customers.
I worry about the precedent of disconnecting based on suspicions
of what might happen in the future, however.

With sanctions, isn't there a possibility that they literally *can't* 
get paid? That is, they are running on free service as of now?


Mike

Re: Cogent cutting links to Russia?

[Matthew Petach]

On Fri, Mar 4, 2022 at 12:55 PM Martin Hannigan  wrote:

>
> I would argue they don't have much of a choice:
>
> "The economic sanctions put in place as a result of the invasion and the
> increasingly uncertain security situation make it impossible for Cogent to
> continue to provide you with service."
>
> I would expect to see others follow suit  if that is the case.
>


That's an interesting slope to slide along...

I fully understand ISPs disconnecting customers for non-payment; we've
all had to do that at one point or another in our careers, I'm sure.
However, that's generally done *after* the customer has demonstrated
an inability or unwillingness to pay their bills.

This doesn't seem to indicate that any existing invoices have gone
unpaid past their due date, but simply that there is *concern* that a
future bill might go unpaid due to the economic sanctions.

I'm not sure that's a good precedent for a service provider to create;
"we may terminate your service at any point if we suspect that at an
unspecified time in the future, you may become unable to pay future
invoices."

Shades of Minority Report.  We'll imprison you today for a crime we
suspect you will commit in the future.   ^_^;

If and when bills go unpaid, I fully support turning off customers.
I worry about the precedent of disconnecting based on suspicions
of what might happen in the future, however.

Matt

Re: Cogent cutting links to Russia?

[David Conrad]

On Mar 4, 2022, at 1:14 PM, Bryan Fields  wrote:
> On 3/4/22 3:52 PM, Martin Hannigan wrote:
>> I would argue they don't have much of a choice:
>> 
>> "The economic sanctions put in place as a result of the invasion and the
>> increasingly uncertain security situation make it impossible for Cogent to
>> continue to provide you with service."
> 
> But Tier 1's don't pay for peering.

As someone who once had to have lawyers argue (at different times) with the US 
Dept. of Treasury for (a) providing open source software deemed a munition 
internationally and (b) updating certain globally accessible lists of names and 
numbers for Internet use at no charge (under a US government contract no less): 
you do not have to receive money to be viewed as providing a service.

Regards,
-drc

Re: Cogent cutting links to Russia?

[Owen DeLong via NANOG]

> On Mar 4, 2022, at 13:14 , Bryan Fields  wrote:
> 
> On 3/4/22 3:52 PM, Martin Hannigan wrote:
>> I would argue they don't have much of a choice:
>> 
>> "The economic sanctions put in place as a result of the invasion and the
>> increasingly uncertain security situation make it impossible for Cogent to
>> continue to provide you with service."
> 
> But Tier 1's don't pay for peering.

Rostelecom isn’t a tier one.

Owen

Re: Cogent cutting links to Russia?

[Bryan Fields]

On 3/4/22 3:52 PM, Martin Hannigan wrote:
> I would argue they don't have much of a choice:
> 
> "The economic sanctions put in place as a result of the invasion and the
> increasingly uncertain security situation make it impossible for Cogent to
> continue to provide you with service."

But Tier 1's don't pay for peering.

-- 
Bryan Fields

727-409-1194 - Voice
http://bryanfields.net

Re: Cogent cutting links to Russia?

[Martin Hannigan]

I would argue they don't have much of a choice:

"The economic sanctions put in place as a result of the invasion and the
increasingly uncertain security situation make it impossible for Cogent to
continue to provide you with service."

I would expect to see others follow suit  if that is the case.



On Fri, Mar 4, 2022 at 1:55 PM Michael Thomas  wrote:

>
> I know the link is paywalled, but it's super high level so not much is
> lost. But what does everybody think of this? I imagine that just Cogent
> cutting them off isn't going to make much difference.
>
>
> https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2022/03/04/russia-ukraine-internet-cogent-cutoff/
>
> Mike
>
>

Re: Cogent cutting links to Russia?

[Brandon Svec via NANOG]

I *think* I see the connection you are trying to make, but this seems very
much different if not completely opposite.  American social media companies
were/are banning/blocking some misinformation and lies.

This (today) is the Russian state (Putin) outlawing the truth and any
reporting that is not state sanctioned or agreeing completely with the
fake/false narrative they wish to push on their citizens to keep them in
the dark.
*Brandon *


On Fri, Mar 4, 2022 at 12:24 PM Ethan O'Toole  wrote:

>
>
> All the American social media platforms that banned Americans from having
> open discussions about things over the past 2 years?
>
> Oh no, how could they.
>
>
>- E
>
>

Re: Cogent cutting links to Russia?

[Ethan O'Toole]

It seems the much more concerning news coming out now is that Russia is banning 
all
foreign and independent media from BBC to Facebook and all in between with 
heavy threats of
prison and fines.  So they are cutting themselves off presumably to keep the 
Russian people
in the dark about what is happening.
Brandon 


All the American social media platforms that banned Americans from having 
open discussions about things over the past 2 years?


Oh no, how could they.

Archive.ph worked fine for me. It's .ph, not .php

  - E

Re: Cogent cutting links to Russia?

[Rubens Kuhl]

Cogent already does not provide access to the Internet, only to parts
of the Internet, so this just changes the perimeter of their Intranet.

That said, it's more likely they are afraid of sanctions and/or not
getting paid for services than ideologically motivated.


Rubens

On Fri, Mar 4, 2022 at 3:52 PM Michael Thomas  wrote:
>
>
> I know the link is paywalled, but it's super high level so not much is
> lost. But what does everybody think of this? I imagine that just Cogent
> cutting them off isn't going to make much difference.
>
> https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2022/03/04/russia-ukraine-internet-cogent-cutoff/
>
> Mike
>

Re: Cogent cutting links to Russia?

[Brandon Svec via NANOG]

It seems the much more concerning news coming out now is that Russia is
banning all foreign and independent media from BBC to Facebook and all in
between with heavy threats of prison and fines.  So they are cutting
themselves off presumably to keep the Russian people in the dark about what
is happening.

*Brandon *


On Fri, Mar 4, 2022 at 12:09 PM Michael Thomas  wrote:

> here's a Reuters which shouldn't be paywalled.
>
>
> https://www.reuters.com/technology/us-firm-cogent-cutting-internet-service-russia-2022-03-04/
>
> Mike
>
> On 3/4/22 12:02 PM, Anne Mitchell wrote:
> >
>  The link will not connect, cannot make secure connection with
> archive.php.
> >>> Here’s a paywall-free version:
> >>> https://archive.ph/TFgyg
> > FWIW, the WashPost link works for me, and I am not a paying subscriber,
> so I'd try that first, here it is again:
> >
> >>
> https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2022/03/04/russia-ukraine-internet-cogent-cutoff/
> > Anne
> >
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Re: Cogent cutting links to Russia?

[Michael Thomas]

here's a Reuters which shouldn't be paywalled.

https://www.reuters.com/technology/us-firm-cogent-cutting-internet-service-russia-2022-03-04/

Mike

On 3/4/22 12:02 PM, Anne Mitchell wrote:



The link will not connect, cannot make secure connection with archive.php.

Here’s a paywall-free version:
https://archive.ph/TFgyg

FWIW, the WashPost link works for me, and I am not a paying subscriber, so I'd 
try that first, here it is again:


https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2022/03/04/russia-ukraine-internet-cogent-cutoff/

Anne

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Re: Cogent cutting links to Russia?

[Anne Mitchell]

>>> The link will not connect, cannot make secure connection with archive.php.
> 
>> Here’s a paywall-free version:
> 
>> https://archive.ph/TFgyg

FWIW, the WashPost link works for me, and I am not a paying subscriber, so I'd 
try that first, here it is again:

> https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2022/03/04/russia-ukraine-internet-cogent-cutoff/

Anne

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Author: The Email Deliverability Handbook
Board of Directors, Denver Internet Exchange
Dean Emeritus, Cyberlaw & Cybersecurity, Lincoln Law School
Prof. Emeritus, Lincoln Law School
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RE: Cogent cutting links to Russia?

[John Covici]

The link will not connect, cannot make secure connection with archive.php.


-Original Message-
From: NANOG  On Behalf Of Andy 
Ringsmuth
Sent: Friday, March 4, 2022 2:11 PM
To: Michael Thomas 
Cc: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Re: Cogent cutting links to Russia?

Here’s a paywall-free version:

https://archive.ph/TFgyg


Andy Ringsmuth
5609 Harding Drive
Lincoln, NE 68521-5831
(402) 304-0083
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> On Mar 4, 2022, at 12:52 PM, Michael Thomas  wrote:
> 
> 
> I know the link is paywalled, but it's super high level so not much is lost. 
> But what does everybody think of this? I imagine that just Cogent cutting 
> them off isn't going to make much difference.
> 
> https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2022/03/04/russia-ukraine-internet-cogent-cutoff/
> 
> Mike
> 

Re: Cogent cutting links to Russia?

[Andy Ringsmuth]

Here’s a paywall-free version:

https://archive.ph/TFgyg


Andy Ringsmuth
5609 Harding Drive
Lincoln, NE 68521-5831
(402) 304-0083
a...@andyring.com

> On Mar 4, 2022, at 12:52 PM, Michael Thomas  wrote:
> 
> 
> I know the link is paywalled, but it's super high level so not much is lost. 
> But what does everybody think of this? I imagine that just Cogent cutting 
> them off isn't going to make much difference.
> 
> https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2022/03/04/russia-ukraine-internet-cogent-cutoff/
> 
> Mike
>