RE: DSL options in NYC for OOB access
Yes depending on the building location in most places we have two options for access cable plant (TWC, Comcast ect) or LEC. All via Layer 2. Cheers Ryan -Original Message- From: Joel Jaeggli [mailto:joe...@bogus.com] Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2011 2:32 AM To: Ryan Finnesey Cc: Andy Ashley; nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: DSL options in NYC for OOB access On 1/29/11 9:30 PM, Ryan Finnesey wrote: All this out of band management talk is making me think it is an opportunity for a supper low cost DSL offering. Maybe a good way to get read of some capacity we have. The key of course is that it not be coupled to the physical plant that the other circuits use. I've been in a couple of facilties recently (though not in ny) where riding into the building on twsited pair was at best costly and more generally, infeasible. joel Cheers Ryan -Original Message- From: Andy Ashley [mailto:li...@nexus6.co.za] Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2011 3:42 PM To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: DSL options in NYC for OOB access On 29/01/2011 14:56, Randy McAnally wrote: Have you looked into the cross connect cost for your DSL line? They typically aren't very cheap either. ~Randy Im still waiting for the quote to come back from L3. Figured a copper pair would be cheaper than a fiber, but who knows? Andy. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean.
Re: DSL options in NYC for OOB access
On 29/01/2011 00:16, Bill Stewart wrote: How much bandwidth do you need? Is a dialup modem fast enough? Hi, Not much at all. Just enough for a telnet/ssh session. A dialup modem would likely do the trick, but that raises other issues about dialing up from the UK based NOC, so I think DSL will be a little more flexible for us in this case. If we must have a telephone line installed we may as well get DSL service over that. Point taken though about reliability of DSL service vs plain PSTN. I have had some offers from the right sort of companies. One in particular has everything we need (low speed, static ip, no red tape a clue) at half the price of the others (ask me off list if you want the name). Also suggested to me was doing a swap with another provider in the facility but it seems as if cross connects may be prohibitively expensive between suites/floors there. Im going to wait for pricing on this and make a choice then. Thanks to all who responded. Regards, Andy. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean.
Re: DSL options in NYC for OOB access
On Sat, 29 Jan 2011 13:35:01 +, Andy Ashley wrote if you want the name). Also suggested to me was doing a swap with another provider in the facility but it seems as if cross connects may be prohibitively expensive between suites/floors there. Im going to wait for pricing on this and make a choice then. Have you looked into the cross connect cost for your DSL line? They typically aren't very cheap either. ~Randy
Re: DSL options in NYC for OOB access
On 29/01/2011 14:56, Randy McAnally wrote: Have you looked into the cross connect cost for your DSL line? They typically aren't very cheap either. ~Randy Im still waiting for the quote to come back from L3. Figured a copper pair would be cheaper than a fiber, but who knows? Andy. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean.
RE: DSL options in NYC for OOB access
All this out of band management talk is making me think it is an opportunity for a supper low cost DSL offering. Maybe a good way to get read of some capacity we have. Cheers Ryan -Original Message- From: Andy Ashley [mailto:li...@nexus6.co.za] Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2011 3:42 PM To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: DSL options in NYC for OOB access On 29/01/2011 14:56, Randy McAnally wrote: Have you looked into the cross connect cost for your DSL line? They typically aren't very cheap either. ~Randy Im still waiting for the quote to come back from L3. Figured a copper pair would be cheaper than a fiber, but who knows? Andy. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean.
Re: DSL options in NYC for OOB access
On 1/29/11 9:30 PM, Ryan Finnesey wrote: All this out of band management talk is making me think it is an opportunity for a supper low cost DSL offering. Maybe a good way to get read of some capacity we have. The key of course is that it not be coupled to the physical plant that the other circuits use. I've been in a couple of facilties recently (though not in ny) where riding into the building on twsited pair was at best costly and more generally, infeasible. joel Cheers Ryan -Original Message- From: Andy Ashley [mailto:li...@nexus6.co.za] Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2011 3:42 PM To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: DSL options in NYC for OOB access On 29/01/2011 14:56, Randy McAnally wrote: Have you looked into the cross connect cost for your DSL line? They typically aren't very cheap either. ~Randy Im still waiting for the quote to come back from L3. Figured a copper pair would be cheaper than a fiber, but who knows? Andy. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean.
Re: DSL options in NYC for OOB access
On 1/24/11, Andy Ashley li...@nexus6.co.za wrote: Im looking for a little advice about DSL circuits in New York, specifically at 111 8th Ave. Going to locate a console server there for out-of-band serial management. The router will need connectivity for remote telnet/ssh access from the NOC. How much bandwidth do you need? Is a dialup modem fast enough? Traditional phone lines often give you a much different set of reliability issues and common-mode failures than Internet connectivity, which is good. I've been very happy with Pushkablue's dialup out-of-band boxes, which give you a serial console and power supply relays. Similarly, if wireless works in the part of the building you're in, and if the building allows you to have equipment that transmits radio signals (some colos don't), that's another option, again, because it's going to have different failures than the equipment you're controlling. I searched some obvious providers but dont really want to deal with a huge company (Verizon, Qwest, ?) if it can be avoided. Are there smaller/independent companies out there offering this sort of thing? I dont know much about the US DSL market, so any hints are welcome. If you don't know the market, then there's a whole lot of value in dealing with the two or three dominant players for that city, or the two dozen huge companies for the country, as opposed to the hundreds or thousands of small players. (Admittedly, having dealt with ZA's dominant player in a previous job, I'd rather use anybody else also...) -- Thanks; Bill Note that this isn't my regular email account - It's still experimental so far. And Google probably logs and indexes everything you send it.
Re: DSL options in NYC for OOB access
On Jan 24, 2011, at 6:22 PM, Nathan Eisenberg wrote: You can get a CLEAR WiMAX fixed modem with static IP address for $50 (USD) monthly, or less if you opt for the low-bandwidth plan. I wouldn't dare rely on something of that nature for a lifeline connection. I'd spring for the extra $30/mo. It's expensive, but there ain't nothin' like a physical cable when it's 3AM on a Sunday. Nathan
Re: DSL options in NYC for OOB access
On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 08:33:10PM -0500, Warren Kumari wrote: On Jan 24, 2011, at 6:22 PM, Nathan Eisenberg wrote: You can get a CLEAR WiMAX fixed modem with static IP address for $50 (USD) monthly, or less if you opt for the low-bandwidth plan. I wouldn't dare rely on something of that nature for a lifeline connection. I'd spring for the extra $30/mo. It's expensive, but there ain't nothin' like a physical cable when it's 3AM on a Sunday. Nathan phys plant is good, nesscy but not sufficant for lifeline. for lifeline - your only option is regulated wireline service w/o any dependance on external power. regulated telco voice service has a requirement for self-power - usually in the range of 12+hours. Not the 90min batteries in most cell towers. ymmv of course and you get what you pay for. --bill
Re: DSL options in NYC for OOB access
On Mon, 24 Jan 2011 22:04:25 + Andy Ashley li...@nexus6.co.za wrote: Hi, Im looking for a little advice about DSL circuits in New York, specifically at 111 8th Ave. Going to locate a console server there for out-of-band serial management. The router will need connectivity for remote telnet/ssh access from the NOC. Looking for a low speed (and low cost) DSL line with a fixed IP. I searched some obvious providers but dont really want to deal with a huge company (Verizon, Qwest, ?) if it can be avoided. Also $80-100+ seems a lot for something that will be used very rarely, but maybe those prices are normal. Are there smaller/independent companies out there offering this sort of thing? I dont know much about the US DSL market, so any hints are welcome. Speakeasy/Covad/Megapath and Panix offer DSL. Speakeasy is mostly pleasant to deal with, but I've never used Panix. mc
RE: DSL options in NYC for OOB access
Speakeasy/Covad/Megapath is now all one company. -Original Message- From: Michael Costello [mailto:mc3...@columbia.edu] Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2011 9:01 AM To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: DSL options in NYC for OOB access On Mon, 24 Jan 2011 22:04:25 + Andy Ashley li...@nexus6.co.za wrote: Hi, Im looking for a little advice about DSL circuits in New York, specifically at 111 8th Ave. Going to locate a console server there for out-of-band serial management. The router will need connectivity for remote telnet/ssh access from the NOC. Looking for a low speed (and low cost) DSL line with a fixed IP. I searched some obvious providers but dont really want to deal with a huge company (Verizon, Qwest, ?) if it can be avoided. Also $80-100+ seems a lot for something that will be used very rarely, but maybe those prices are normal. Are there smaller/independent companies out there offering this sort of thing? I dont know much about the US DSL market, so any hints are welcome. Speakeasy/Covad/Megapath and Panix offer DSL. Speakeasy is mostly pleasant to deal with, but I've never used Panix. mc
Re: DSL options in NYC for OOB access
AFAIK all DSL providers will end up going through Verizon wires, you are just shifting customer service billing. Alternatives are the Cable Co, probably Time Warner, or, more expensively, http://www.towerstream.com/ http://www.towerstream.com/j -Original Message- From: Andy Ashley [mailto:li...@nexus6.co.za] Sent: Monday, January 24, 2011 5:04 PM To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: DSL options in NYC for OOB access Hi, Im looking for a little advice about DSL circuits in New York, specifically at 111 8th Ave. Going to locate a console server there for out-of-band serial management. The router will need connectivity for remote telnet/ssh access from the NOC. Looking for a low speed (and low cost) DSL line with a fixed IP. I searched some obvious providers but dont really want to deal with a huge company (Verizon, Qwest, ?) if it can be avoided. Also $80-100+ seems a lot for something that will be used very rarely, but maybe those prices are normal. Are there smaller/independent companies out there offering this sort of thing? I dont know much about the US DSL market, so any hints are welcome. Thanks. Andy. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. -- --- Joly MacFie 218 565 9365 Skype:punkcast WWWhatsup NYC - http://wwwhatsup.com http://pinstand.com - http://punkcast.com VP (Admin) - ISOC-NY - http://isoc-ny.org ---
Re: DSL options in NYC for OOB access
On 2011-01-24-17:04:25, Andy Ashley li...@nexus6.co.za wrote: Im looking for a little advice about DSL circuits in New York, specifically at 111 8th Ave [...] You can get a CLEAR WiMAX fixed modem with static IP address for $50 (USD) monthly, or less if you opt for the low-bandwidth plan. Unscientific testing shows there's good coverage throughout most of the building, and no obvious shared risks from an IP or transport prospective. As an added bonus, you won't have any cross-connect opex to worry about. :-) HTH, -a
Re: DSL options in NYC for OOB access
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RE: DSL options in NYC for OOB access
You can get a CLEAR WiMAX fixed modem with static IP address for $50 (USD) monthly, or less if you opt for the low-bandwidth plan. I wouldn't dare rely on something of that nature for a lifeline connection. I'd spring for the extra $30/mo. It's expensive, but there ain't nothin' like a physical cable when it's 3AM on a Sunday. Nathan
Re: DSL options in NYC for OOB access
On 2011-01-24, at 18:22, Nathan Eisenberg wrote: You can get a CLEAR WiMAX fixed modem with static IP address for $50 (USD) monthly, or less if you opt for the low-bandwidth plan. I wouldn't dare rely on something of that nature for a lifeline connection. I'd spring for the extra $30/mo. It's expensive, but there ain't nothin' like a physical cable when it's 3AM on a Sunday. At least with a wireless management network you don't have to worry about cable path diversity out of the rack/cage/suite though. Joe
Re: DSL options in NYC for OOB access
On 1/24/2011 15:22, Nathan Eisenberg wrote: You can get a CLEAR WiMAX fixed modem with static IP address for $50 (USD) monthly, or less if you opt for the low-bandwidth plan. I wouldn't dare rely on something of that nature for a lifeline connection. I'd spring for the extra $30/mo. It's expensive, but there ain't nothin' like a physical cable when it's 3AM on a Sunday. For me it depends; if the OOB is related to some other physical cable that the OOB is for, wireless might have a better chance of still working if there's a cable cut. ~Seth
RE: DSL options in NYC for OOB access
Hi Andy We use Wireless (att) on a custom APN for this, has worked great. Cheers Ryan -Original Message- From: Andy Ashley [mailto:li...@nexus6.co.za] Sent: Monday, January 24, 2011 5:04 PM To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: DSL options in NYC for OOB access Hi, Im looking for a little advice about DSL circuits in New York, specifically at 111 8th Ave. Going to locate a console server there for out-of-band serial management. The router will need connectivity for remote telnet/ssh access from the NOC. Looking for a low speed (and low cost) DSL line with a fixed IP. I searched some obvious providers but dont really want to deal with a huge company (Verizon, Qwest, ?) if it can be avoided. Also $80-100+ seems a lot for something that will be used very rarely, but maybe those prices are normal. Are there smaller/independent companies out there offering this sort of thing? I dont know much about the US DSL market, so any hints are welcome. Thanks. Andy. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean.
