Re: NANOG Security Track: Route Security

[Krassimir Tzvetanov]

Here they are on the main site:
https://pc.nanog.org/static/published/meetings/NANOG74/agenda.html


On Tue, Oct 2, 2018, 9:30 PM Christopher Morrow 
wrote:

> 
>
> My slides are:
>   http://tiny.cc/8rnmzy
>
> On Tue, Oct 2, 2018 at 10:44 PM Krassimir Tzvetanov 
> wrote:
>
>> Hello Everyone,
>>
>> Here is the copy of the combined slide deck.
>>
>> Thanks everyone.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Krassimir
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Sep 27, 2018 at 9:54 PM Krassimir T. Tzvetanov 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hello Everyone,
>>>
>>> I wanted to attract your attention to the Security Track this coming
>>> NANOG. We'll be meeting on Tuesday morning and the line up looks like this:
>>> * Andre Toonk - examples of hijacks, other ideas
>>> * Alexander Azimov - State of BGP Security
>>> * David Wishnick - ARIN TAL
>>> * Job Snijders - Routing security roadmap
>>> * Chris Morrow - So I need to start filtering routes from peers...' and
>>> 'hey guess who needs to update their IRR data?'
>>>
>>> Time permitting at the end of the time slot we'll have a panel and time
>>> for duscussion as well.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Krassi
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>

Re: NANOG Security Track: Route Security

[Christopher Morrow]

My slides are:
  http://tiny.cc/8rnmzy

On Tue, Oct 2, 2018 at 10:44 PM Krassimir Tzvetanov 
wrote:

> Hello Everyone,
>
> Here is the copy of the combined slide deck.
>
> Thanks everyone.
>
> Regards,
> Krassimir
>
>
> On Thu, Sep 27, 2018 at 9:54 PM Krassimir T. Tzvetanov 
> wrote:
>
>> Hello Everyone,
>>
>> I wanted to attract your attention to the Security Track this coming
>> NANOG. We'll be meeting on Tuesday morning and the line up looks like this:
>> * Andre Toonk - examples of hijacks, other ideas
>> * Alexander Azimov - State of BGP Security
>> * David Wishnick - ARIN TAL
>> * Job Snijders - Routing security roadmap
>> * Chris Morrow - So I need to start filtering routes from peers...' and
>> 'hey guess who needs to update their IRR data?'
>>
>> Time permitting at the end of the time slot we'll have a panel and time
>> for duscussion as well.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Krassi
>>
>>
>>
>>

Re: NANOG Security Track: Route Security

[Krassimir Tzvetanov]

Hello Everyone,

Here is the copy of the combined slide deck.

Thanks everyone.

Regards,
Krassimir


On Thu, Sep 27, 2018 at 9:54 PM Krassimir T. Tzvetanov 
wrote:

> Hello Everyone,
>
> I wanted to attract your attention to the Security Track this coming
> NANOG. We'll be meeting on Tuesday morning and the line up looks like this:
> * Andre Toonk - examples of hijacks, other ideas
> * Alexander Azimov - State of BGP Security
> * David Wishnick - ARIN TAL
> * Job Snijders - Routing security roadmap
> * Chris Morrow - So I need to start filtering routes from peers...' and
> 'hey guess who needs to update their IRR data?'
>
> Time permitting at the end of the time slot we'll have a panel and time
> for duscussion as well.
>
> Regards,
> Krassi
>
>
>
>

Re: NANOG Security Track: Route Security

[Job Snijders]

Perhaps the moderator and the presenters for this track can figure out (off
list!) if there is unanimous support to record the session and reconsider.

Kind regards,

Job

RE: NANOG Security Track: Route Security

[Ryan Hamel]

Ryan, what does the track moderator have to do with the presenter? All I here 
is an excuse to do a disservice to fellow members of this community.

Do you really want to have future meetings with everyone holding out their 
phones, cameras, or other recording devices, to spread the wealth of knowledge? 
That's crazy.

Ryan Hamel

-Original Message-
From: NANOG  On Behalf Of Ryan Woolley
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2018 11:48 AM
To: NANOG 
Subject: Re: NANOG Security Track: Route Security

On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 8:16 AM Netravnen  wrote:
>
> On Mon, 1 Oct 2018 at 14:01, John Kristoff  wrote:
> >
> > On Mon, 1 Oct 2018 03:27:49 +
> > Ryan Hamel  wrote:
> >
> > > Just like how all the email threads on NANOG are archived, all 
> > > talks should be archived as well.
> >
> > Whether to record a session or not is up to the presenter and track 
> > coordinator.
>
> I would prefer if NANOG would record sessions by default! (And allow 
> presenters to opt-out if they really feel like it.)
>
> Other conferences I have had participated to in the past. Had the 
> option of allowing opt-out of being recorded on stage.

This is in fact how it works now at NANOG.  As John points out, the decision is 
left up to the submitter, but almost all talks are webcast and recorded.  
(Historically, the security track has not been
recorded.)

Anyone is welcome to submit talks, including tracks, for consideration, and to 
make this choice as submitter.  In this case, the track moderator believes that 
it's better that the the talk to not be recorded and so we are honoring that 
request.

Aside from the security track and one other submission, the remainder of the 
3-day program will be available for viewing and recorded.

Regards,

Ryan Woolley
NANOG PC Chair

Re: NANOG Security Track: Route Security

[Ryan Woolley]

On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 8:16 AM Netravnen  wrote:
>
> On Mon, 1 Oct 2018 at 14:01, John Kristoff  wrote:
> >
> > On Mon, 1 Oct 2018 03:27:49 +
> > Ryan Hamel  wrote:
> >
> > > Just like how all the email threads on NANOG are archived, all talks
> > > should be archived as well.
> >
> > Whether to record a session or not is up to the presenter and track
> > coordinator.
>
> I would prefer if NANOG would record sessions by default! (And allow
> presenters to opt-out if they really feel like it.)
>
> Other conferences I have had participated to in the past. Had the
> option of allowing opt-out of being recorded on stage.

This is in fact how it works now at NANOG.  As John points out, the
decision is left up to the submitter, but almost all talks are webcast
and recorded.  (Historically, the security track has not been
recorded.)

Anyone is welcome to submit talks, including tracks, for
consideration, and to make this choice as submitter.  In this case,
the track moderator believes that it's better that the the talk to not
be recorded and so we are honoring that request.

Aside from the security track and one other submission, the remainder
of the 3-day program will be available for viewing and recorded.

Regards,

Ryan Woolley
NANOG PC Chair

Re: NANOG Security Track: Route Security

[Scott Weeks]

--- karl_g...@gmx.at wrote:
From: Karl Gerhard 

Most of the readers here will never attend a NANOG meeting 
and a big part of those won't attend because they live on 
other parts of the planet.



Yep, 21 years on the list and I still have not had the
chance to attend. It's a looong way from Hawaii.  :-)

scott

Re: NANOG Security Track: Route Security

[Noah]

+1

On Mon, 1 Oct 2018 7:53 am Job Snijders,  wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> Speaking as presenter in this track, I’d be fine with video recording and
> online distribution. In fact, I’d encourage it, I don’t assume any secrecy
> or confidentiality in this meeting.
>
> Perhaps for the NANOG74 meeting it is too late to organize video
> recording, but going forward I’m a proponent of recording everything. It
> creates more value for both the presenters and the global community.
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Job
>

Re: NANOG Security Track: Route Security

[Netravnen]

On Mon, 1 Oct 2018 at 14:01, John Kristoff  wrote:
>
> On Mon, 1 Oct 2018 03:27:49 +
> Ryan Hamel  wrote:
>
> > Just like how all the email threads on NANOG are archived, all talks
> > should be archived as well.
>
> Whether to record a session or not is up to the presenter and track
> coordinator.

I would prefer if NANOG would record sessions by default! (And allow
presenters to opt-out if they really feel like it.)

Other conferences I have had participated to in the past. Had the
option of allowing opt-out of being recorded on stage.

Re: NANOG Security Track: Route Security

[John Kristoff]

On Mon, 1 Oct 2018 03:27:49 +
Ryan Hamel  wrote:

> Just like how all the email threads on NANOG are archived, all talks
> should be archived as well.

Whether to record a session or not is up to the presenter and track
coordinator.

The security track, originally called the ISP Security BoF started by
Barry Greene and Merike Kaeo was in part an outgrowth of the
nsp-security community. The nsp-security was a closed, vetted
community.  In those days, they were not recorded mainly so participants
could feel reasonably comfortable sharing amongst each other by having
the discussions limited to those there in person.

For many years later it was more or less a given that the security
track wasn't recorded.  However, that position has weakened slightly
and I take some of the blame for that.  The last two security tracks I
led (67/68) were recorded and I think there was at least one before that
I asked be recorded, but it ended up not being captured because the
meeting coordinators thought I made a mistake. :-)

I had taken an informal poll before the first time about this. There
were about three people as I recall who preferred them not to be
recorded, suggesting they would not go on mic and participate if they
were.

Maybe during the session another show of hands should be taken to see
who wants them recorded or not in the future.

John

Re: NANOG Security Track: Route Security

[Karl Gerhard]

Hello,

I just wanted to mention that NANOG is being read all over the world - as far 
as I know this is the biggest english speaking "NOG" mailing list... in the 
world. Most of the readers here will never attend a NANOG meeting and a big 
part of those won't attend because they live on other parts of the planet.

The topics seem very interesting and highly relevant for networks everywhere 
and I find it very unfortunate that there will be no recording.

Best Regards from Europe
Karl




--
*From:* Krassimir Tzvetanov [mailto:mailli...@krassi.biz]
*Sent:* Mon, Oct 1, 2018 12:30 AM CEST
*To:* Sam Oduor
*Cc:* NANOG mailing list
*Subject:* NANOG Security Track: Route Security

> Sam,
>
> To ensure unimpeded information sharing and discussion, the Security Track 
> will not be broadcast or recorded.
>
> I apologise for the inconvenience.
>
> Regards,
> Krassimir
>
>
> On Sun, Sep 30, 2018, 1:05 PM Sam Oduor  > wrote:
>
> Hi
>
> Any online link available for remote participation or viewing ?
>
> On Sun, Sep 30, 2018 at 7:46 PM Krassimir Tzvetanov  > wrote:
>
> Hello Everyone,
>
> I wanted to attract your attention to the Security Track this coming 
> NANOG. We'll be meeting on Tuesday morning and the line up looks like this:
> * Andre Toonk - examples of hijacks, other ideas
> * Alexander Azimov - State of BGP Security
> * David Wishnick - ARIN TAL
> * Job Snijders - Routing security roadmap
> * Chris Morrow - So I need to start filtering routes from peers...' 
> and 'hey guess who needs to update their IRR data?'
>
> Time permitting at the end of the time slot we'll have a panel and 
> time for duscussion as well.
>
> Regards,
> Krassi
>
>
>
> -- 
> Samson Oduor
>

Re: NANOG Security Track: Route Security

[Christopher Morrow]

we could post our slides though, right? (I mean, per presenter, if that's
your choice?)

On Mon, Oct 1, 2018 at 12:52 AM Job Snijders  wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> Speaking as presenter in this track, I’d be fine with video recording and
> online distribution. In fact, I’d encourage it, I don’t assume any secrecy
> or confidentiality in this meeting.
>
> Perhaps for the NANOG74 meeting it is too late to organize video
> recording, but going forward I’m a proponent of recording everything. It
> creates more value for both the presenters and the global community.
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Job
>

Re: NANOG Security Track: Route Security

[Job Snijders]

Hi all,

Speaking as presenter in this track, I’d be fine with video recording and
online distribution. In fact, I’d encourage it, I don’t assume any secrecy
or confidentiality in this meeting.

Perhaps for the NANOG74 meeting it is too late to organize video recording,
but going forward I’m a proponent of recording everything. It creates more
value for both the presenters and the global community.

Kind regards,

Job

Re: NANOG Security Track: Route Security

[JASON BOTHE via NANOG]

Agreed, especially if they’re an active member of the organization and doesn’t 
seem to be synonymous with NANOGs Charter.  

Jason 

On Sep 30, 2018, at 22:41, Brian Kantor  wrote:

>> To ensure unimpeded information sharing and discussion, the
>> Security Track will not be broadcast or recorded.
> 
> I fail to understand how making the presentations secret from all
> except those attending in person promotes information sharing.
> Could whoever made this seemingly contradictory decision explain
> the reasoning behind it?
>- Brian
> 

Re: NANOG Security Track: Route Security

[Brian Kantor]

> To ensure unimpeded information sharing and discussion, the
> Security Track will not be broadcast or recorded.

I fail to understand how making the presentations secret from all
except those attending in person promotes information sharing.
Could whoever made this seemingly contradictory decision explain
the reasoning behind it?
- Brian

RE: NANOG Security Track: Route Security

[Ryan Hamel]

Just like how all the email threads on NANOG are archived, all talks should be 
archived as well.

Ryan Hamel

From: NANOG  On Behalf Of Krassimir Tzvetanov
Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2018 3:31 PM
To: Sam Oduor 
Cc: NANOG mailing list 
Subject: Re: NANOG Security Track: Route Security

Sam,

To ensure unimpeded information sharing and discussion, the Security Track will 
not be broadcast or recorded.

I apologise for the inconvenience.

Regards,
Krassimir


On Sun, Sep 30, 2018, 1:05 PM Sam Oduor 
mailto:sam.od...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Hi

Any online link available for remote participation or viewing ?

On Sun, Sep 30, 2018 at 7:46 PM Krassimir Tzvetanov 
mailto:mailli...@krassi.biz>> wrote:
Hello Everyone,

I wanted to attract your attention to the Security Track this coming NANOG. 
We'll be meeting on Tuesday morning and the line up looks like this:
* Andre Toonk - examples of hijacks, other ideas
* Alexander Azimov - State of BGP Security
* David Wishnick - ARIN TAL
* Job Snijders - Routing security roadmap
* Chris Morrow - So I need to start filtering routes from peers...' and 'hey 
guess who needs to update their IRR data?'

Time permitting at the end of the time slot we'll have a panel and time for 
duscussion as well.

Regards,
Krassi



--
Samson Oduor

Re: NANOG Security Track: Route Security

[Krassimir Tzvetanov]

Sam,

To ensure unimpeded information sharing and discussion, the Security Track
will not be broadcast or recorded.

I apologise for the inconvenience.

Regards,
Krassimir


On Sun, Sep 30, 2018, 1:05 PM Sam Oduor  wrote:

> Hi
>
> Any online link available for remote participation or viewing ?
>
> On Sun, Sep 30, 2018 at 7:46 PM Krassimir Tzvetanov 
> wrote:
>
>> Hello Everyone,
>>
>> I wanted to attract your attention to the Security Track this coming
>> NANOG. We'll be meeting on Tuesday morning and the line up looks like this:
>> * Andre Toonk - examples of hijacks, other ideas
>> * Alexander Azimov - State of BGP Security
>> * David Wishnick - ARIN TAL
>> * Job Snijders - Routing security roadmap
>> * Chris Morrow - So I need to start filtering routes from peers...' and
>> 'hey guess who needs to update their IRR data?'
>>
>> Time permitting at the end of the time slot we'll have a panel and time
>> for duscussion as well.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Krassi
>>
>>
>
> --
> Samson Oduor
>

Re: NANOG Security Track: Route Security

[Sam Oduor]

Hi

Any online link available for remote participation or viewing ?

On Sun, Sep 30, 2018 at 7:46 PM Krassimir Tzvetanov 
wrote:

> Hello Everyone,
>
> I wanted to attract your attention to the Security Track this coming
> NANOG. We'll be meeting on Tuesday morning and the line up looks like this:
> * Andre Toonk - examples of hijacks, other ideas
> * Alexander Azimov - State of BGP Security
> * David Wishnick - ARIN TAL
> * Job Snijders - Routing security roadmap
> * Chris Morrow - So I need to start filtering routes from peers...' and
> 'hey guess who needs to update their IRR data?'
>
> Time permitting at the end of the time slot we'll have a panel and time
> for duscussion as well.
>
> Regards,
> Krassi
>
>

-- 
Samson Oduor

Re: NANOG Security Track: Route Security

[Krassimir Tzvetanov]

Hello Everyone,

I wanted to attract your attention to the Security Track this coming NANOG.
We'll be meeting on Tuesday morning and the line up looks like this:
* Andre Toonk - examples of hijacks, other ideas
* Alexander Azimov - State of BGP Security
* David Wishnick - ARIN TAL
* Job Snijders - Routing security roadmap
* Chris Morrow - So I need to start filtering routes from peers...' and
'hey guess who needs to update their IRR data?'

Time permitting at the end of the time slot we'll have a panel and time for
duscussion as well.

Regards,
Krassi