Re: 1G/10G BaseT switch recommendation

[Brandon Martin]

On 7/22/21 2:46 PM, Drew Weaver wrote:

Hello everyone,

I’m looking for recommendations from the community on 48x10G RJ45/4-6 
SFP28 (uplink ports) switches that people actually like working with.


Features are VPC or non-vendor specific equivalent, L2/L3 BGP/OSPFv3, 
ACLs, functional CoPP and some sort of API to manage them. [the CLI 
would work, my lib can handle most Networking OS CLIs anyway]


My problem point is coming from the RJ45 requirement, most vendors have 
one switch that they sell that is RJ45 at 10G or at the most one in each 
line (enterprise/datacenter) and they seem to be almost an afterthought. 
[probably because SFP28 is better in every way if you are already using 
fiber at the endpoint] sadly, we are not.


I just want to make sure I am not excluding any vendors from my research.

I appreciate any suggestions or recommendations. Can even keep it 
off-list if you want.


Arista 7160-48TC6 gets pretty close to your requirements, I think.  It 
has 48x10GBASE-T ports + 6xQSFP28 100GBASE-R.  The QSFP28 support 
breakout with SR4 or PLR4 optics AFAIK , so you can use them for 25GbE 
if you prefer.


You'll need the FLX-LITE license to officially get access to the layer 3 
features IIRC.

--
Brandon Martin

Re: 1G/10G BaseT switch recommendation

[Mark Tinka]

The "Fabrics" layer of the ArcOS architecture may offer some clue as to 
VPC options for Drew:


    https://www.arrcus.com/products/arcos/#

Mark.

Re: 1G/10G BaseT switch recommendation

[Mark Tinka]

On 7/23/21 10:40, Randy Bush wrote:


thanks, mark.
while arrcus provides stunning world class layer three: bgp, is-is,
ospf, evpn, srv6, blah blah blah, we don't really so much exciting at
layer two switching.


C'mon, Drew, ask Arrcus for features. You can do it :-)...

Seems like the only outlyer is "VPC things" for Layer 2, but the rest of 
it seems doable on ArcOS. Depending on what Drew is looking for, there 
might be another option to get to his promised land.


Mark.

Re: [External] Re: 1G/10G BaseT switch recommendation

[Hunter Fuller via NANOG]

On Fri, Jul 23, 2021 at 2:37 AM Jörg Kost  wrote:
>
> I understand; my thinking, let's keep the diversity up for everyone's
> benefit. While Commscope is not producing ethernet switches only, from
> sales and numbers of employees, they are a massive mothership of
> communication technology.

I agree, and I love Ruckus switches. But if they intend to maintain a
customer base in this market, they should maintain a competent and at
least minimally helpful/knowledgeable TAC for their switches.

--
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Re: 1G/10G BaseT switch recommendation

[Will Essary]

We run all Juniper QFX in our DC and cannot be happier. Solid stuff.

-Will


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From: NANOG , 
 on behalf of Matt Erculiani 

Date: Thursday, July 22, 2021 at 15:34
To: Drew Weaver 
Cc: "nanog@nanog.org" 
Subject: Re: 1G/10G BaseT switch recommendation

The Juniper QFX 5120-48T has the 48x10G RJ45s you're looking for and has 
QSFP+/28 100G capable ports that can each be broken out into 4x25G (via DAC or 
MPO).

They can be licensed to add OSPF/BGP and their brand is ubiquitous enough that 
API support should be no problem on most management platforms.

I think you'll have a tougher time finding native SFP28 25G uplink ports for a 
10G switch as it's mostly seen as a server-facing port speed alternative 
alongside 10G, rather than an uplink for 10G; the oversubscription ratio 
between 48x10G and 4-6x25G is quite high when you account for at least 2N 
redundancy on the uplinks.

-Matt

On Thu, Jul 22, 2021 at 12:47 PM Drew Weaver 
mailto:drew.wea...@thenap.com>> wrote:
Hello everyone,

I’m looking for recommendations from the community on 48x10G RJ45/4-6 SFP28 
(uplink ports) switches that people actually like working with.

Features are VPC or non-vendor specific equivalent, L2/L3 BGP/OSPFv3, ACLs, 
functional CoPP and some sort of API to manage them. [the CLI would work, my 
lib can handle most Networking OS CLIs anyway]

My problem point is coming from the RJ45 requirement, most vendors have one 
switch that they sell that is RJ45 at 10G or at the most one in each line 
(enterprise/datacenter) and they seem to be almost an afterthought. [probably 
because SFP28 is better in every way if you are already using fiber at the 
endpoint] sadly, we are not.

I just want to make sure I am not excluding any vendors from my research.

I appreciate any suggestions or recommendations. Can even keep it off-list if 
you want.

Thanks,
-Drew





--
Matt Erculiani
ERCUL-ARIN

Re: 1G/10G BaseT switch recommendation

[Randy Bush]

[ uncloak: i work at arrcus, but at the far back of the company ]

> I'd reach out to Arrcus as well. They are a NOS house, but they can
> also provide hardware options that suit what you want.

thanks, mark.

while arrcus provides stunning world class layer three: bgp, is-is,
ospf, evpn, srv6, blah blah blah, we don't really so much exciting at
layer two switching.

randy

Re: 1G/10G BaseT switch recommendation

[Jörg Kost]

I understand; my thinking, let's keep the diversity up for everyone's 
benefit. While Commscope is not producing ethernet switches only, from 
sales and numbers of employees, they are a massive mothership of 
communication technology.


On 22 Jul 2021, at 22:35, Adam Thompson wrote:

While acknowledging that some people love Rucks for legitimate 
reasons, our experience with them can be summed up as "never again".  
YMMV.

-Adam

Adam Thompson
Consultant, Infrastructure Services

Re: 1G/10G BaseT switch recommendation

[Mark Tinka]

I'd reach out to Arrcus as well. They are a NOS house, but they can also 
provide hardware options that suit what you want.


Mark.

Re: 1G/10G BaseT switch recommendation

[Adam Thompson]

While acknowledging that some people love Rucks for legitimate reasons, our 
experience with them can be summed up as "never again".  YMMV.
-Adam

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From: NANOG  on behalf of Jörg 
Kost 
Sent: July 22, 2021 14:39
To: Drew Weaver 
Cc: nanog@nanog.org 
Subject: Re: 1G/10G BaseT switch recommendation

Ruckus ICX 7650-48ZP has

- 24x 1GB RJ45
- 24x 2.5/5/10G RJ45
- stacking
- uplink 100G | 40G | 10G uplink module
- BGP, OSPF, ACL

https://de.commscope.com/product-type/enterprise-networking/ethernet-switches/icx7650


On 22 Jul 2021, at 21:29, Adam Thompson wrote:

> If you've already looked at Cisco, Juniper, Extreme, Juniper, and
> Arista, that's the big ones.  Everything else is increasingly niche
> vendors.
> -Adam
>
>
> Adam Thompson

RE: 1G/10G BaseT switch recommendation

[Tony Wicks]

Nokia has the 7250-ixr-e that has 24x1/10G SFP, 8x10/25G SFP28 and 2x100G 
QSFP28 ports (300G FDX total) in a small depth 1U unit. We use a bunch of these 
and they work nicely with full MPLS features.

 

From: NANOG  On Behalf Of Adam 
Thompson
Sent: Friday, 23 July 2021 7:35 am
To: Saku Ytti 
Cc: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: RE: 1G/10G BaseT switch recommendation

 

True.  I forget carrier space often, these days.

 

Re: 1G/10G BaseT switch recommendation

[Jörg Kost]

Ruckus ICX 7650-48ZP has

- 24x 1GB RJ45
- 24x 2.5/5/10G RJ45
- stacking
- uplink 100G | 40G | 10G uplink module
- BGP, OSPF, ACL

https://de.commscope.com/product-type/enterprise-networking/ethernet-switches/icx7650


On 22 Jul 2021, at 21:29, Adam Thompson wrote:

If you've already looked at Cisco, Juniper, Extreme, Juniper, and 
Arista, that's the big ones.  Everything else is increasingly niche 
vendors.

-Adam


Adam Thompson

RE: 1G/10G BaseT switch recommendation

[Adam Thompson]

True.  I forget carrier space often, these days.

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From: Saku Ytti 
Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2021 2:34 PM
To: Adam Thompson 
Cc: Drew Weaver ; nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Re: 1G/10G BaseT switch recommendation

On Thu, 22 Jul 2021 at 22:32, Adam Thompson 
mailto:athomp...@merlin.mb.ca>> wrote

If you've already looked at Cisco, Juniper, Extreme, Juniper, and Arista, 
that's the big ones.  Everything else is increasingly niche vendors.

Extreme is a mom and pop shop compared to Nokia and Huawei, and I guess quite 
selection of names.

--
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Re: 1G/10G BaseT switch recommendation

[Saku Ytti]

On Thu, 22 Jul 2021 at 22:32, Adam Thompson  wrote

If you've already looked at Cisco, Juniper, Extreme, Juniper, and Arista,
> that's the big ones.  Everything else is increasingly niche vendors.
>

Extreme is a mom and pop shop compared to Nokia and Huawei, and I guess
quite selection of names.

-- 
  ++ytti

Re: 1G/10G BaseT switch recommendation

[Matt Erculiani]

The Juniper QFX 5120-48T has the 48x10G RJ45s you're looking for and has
QSFP+/28 100G capable ports that can each be broken out into 4x25G (via DAC
or MPO).

They can be licensed to add OSPF/BGP and their brand is ubiquitous enough
that API support should be no problem on most management platforms.

I think you'll have a tougher time finding native SFP28 25G uplink ports
for a 10G switch as it's mostly seen as a server-facing port speed
alternative alongside 10G, rather than an uplink for 10G; the
oversubscription ratio between 48x10G and 4-6x25G is quite high when you
account for at least 2N redundancy on the uplinks.

-Matt

On Thu, Jul 22, 2021 at 12:47 PM Drew Weaver  wrote:

> Hello everyone,
>
>
>
> I’m looking for recommendations from the community on 48x10G RJ45/4-6
> SFP28 (uplink ports) switches that people actually like working with.
>
>
>
> Features are VPC or non-vendor specific equivalent, L2/L3 BGP/OSPFv3,
> ACLs, functional CoPP and some sort of API to manage them. [the CLI would
> work, my lib can handle most Networking OS CLIs anyway]
>
>
>
> My problem point is coming from the RJ45 requirement, most vendors have
> one switch that they sell that is RJ45 at 10G or at the most one in each
> line (enterprise/datacenter) and they seem to be almost an afterthought.
> [probably because SFP28 is better in every way if you are already using
> fiber at the endpoint] sadly, we are not.
>
>
>
> I just want to make sure I am not excluding any vendors from my research.
>
>
>
> I appreciate any suggestions or recommendations. Can even keep it off-list
> if you want.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> -Drew
>
>
>
>
>
>
>


-- 
Matt Erculiani
ERCUL-ARIN

Re: 1G/10G BaseT switch recommendation

[Adam Thompson]

If you've already looked at Cisco, Juniper, Extreme, Juniper, and Arista, 
that's the big ones.  Everything else is increasingly niche vendors.
-Adam


Adam Thompson
Consultant, Infrastructure Services
[1593169877849]
100 - 135 Innovation Drive
Winnipeg, MB, R3T 6A8
(204) 977-6824 or 1-800-430-6404 (MB only)
athomp...@merlin.mb.ca
www.merlin.mb.ca

From: NANOG  on behalf of Drew 
Weaver 
Sent: July 22, 2021 13:46
To: 'nanog@nanog.org' 
Subject: 1G/10G BaseT switch recommendation


Hello everyone,



I’m looking for recommendations from the community on 48x10G RJ45/4-6 SFP28 
(uplink ports) switches that people actually like working with.



Features are VPC or non-vendor specific equivalent, L2/L3 BGP/OSPFv3, ACLs, 
functional CoPP and some sort of API to manage them. [the CLI would work, my 
lib can handle most Networking OS CLIs anyway]



My problem point is coming from the RJ45 requirement, most vendors have one 
switch that they sell that is RJ45 at 10G or at the most one in each line 
(enterprise/datacenter) and they seem to be almost an afterthought. [probably 
because SFP28 is better in every way if you are already using fiber at the 
endpoint] sadly, we are not.



I just want to make sure I am not excluding any vendors from my research.



I appreciate any suggestions or recommendations. Can even keep it off-list if 
you want.



Thanks,

-Drew