Re: Beware surfers: cyberspace is filling up
On Apr 30, 2009, at 11:43 PM, Shane Ronan wrote: I think it depends on the industry you are in, in the financial industry, no one uses MPLS clouds or VPN's over the Internet, everyone uses either 1G or 10G links. I think Jack's point was that many 1G and 10G "links" are really just MPLS tunnels through someone else's backbone. And even if not, they are certainly sharing the same ADMs, fibers, regen huts, etc. "Shared infrastructure" has taken on a whole new meaning. -- TTFN, patrick On Apr 30, 2009, at 6:57 PM, Jack Bates wrote: Stefan wrote: hmmm ... http://www.networkperformancedaily.com/2009/04/so_this_is_what_the_australian.html Hmmm. "that leased lines and private WANs that your company can monitor and control from end to end make it easier to retain and improve network performance than relying on the Internet" Are 10G leased lines (or even 1G) and private WANs common these days without using MPLS or some form of resource shared with Internet traffic? And what is the point without the ability to communicate with others? I thought we were well past isolated networks. -Jack
Re: Beware surfers: cyberspace is filling up
I think it depends on the industry you are in, in the financial industry, no one uses MPLS clouds or VPN's over the Internet, everyone uses either 1G or 10G links. On Apr 30, 2009, at 6:57 PM, Jack Bates wrote: Stefan wrote: hmmm ... http://www.networkperformancedaily.com/2009/04/so_this_is_what_the_australian.html Hmmm. "that leased lines and private WANs that your company can monitor and control from end to end make it easier to retain and improve network performance than relying on the Internet" Are 10G leased lines (or even 1G) and private WANs common these days without using MPLS or some form of resource shared with Internet traffic? And what is the point without the ability to communicate with others? I thought we were well past isolated networks. -Jack
Re: Beware surfers: cyberspace is filling up
On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 9:15 PM, Stefan wrote: > On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 8:57 PM, Jack Bates wrote: >> >> >> Stefan wrote: >>> >>> hmmm ... >>> >>> >>> http://www.networkperformancedaily.com/2009/04/so_this_is_what_the_australian.html >>> >> >> Hmmm. "that leased lines and private WANs that your company can monitor and >> control from end to end make it easier to retain and improve network >> performance than relying on the Internet" >> >> Are 10G leased lines (or even 1G) and private WANs common these days without >> using MPLS or some form of resource shared with Internet traffic? And what >> is the point without the ability to communicate with others? I thought we >> were well past isolated networks. >> >> -Jack >> > > The point of the blog I quoted was that things are not only black, or > only white (as some have been tempted to judge - i.e. completely > bashing the original article). To your point - we need to communicate > with others (Internet - non QoS ...), of course, but the critical > production traffic runs for some on top of fully monitored (not > necessarily controlled!) networks ... still ... > > -- > ***Stefan > http://twitter.com/netfortius > ... and along the same line, but somehow parallel to the original conversation: http://fora.tv/2009/04/15/Empowering_Internet_Users_Two_Ideas_to_Reshape_Broadband#Coming_Soon_Privately_Owned_Fiber_Optics_to_the_Home -- ***Stefan http://twitter.com/netfortius
Re: Beware surfers: cyberspace is filling up
On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 8:57 PM, Jack Bates wrote: > > > Stefan wrote: >> >> hmmm ... >> >> >> http://www.networkperformancedaily.com/2009/04/so_this_is_what_the_australian.html >> > > Hmmm. "that leased lines and private WANs that your company can monitor and > control from end to end make it easier to retain and improve network > performance than relying on the Internet" > > Are 10G leased lines (or even 1G) and private WANs common these days without > using MPLS or some form of resource shared with Internet traffic? And what > is the point without the ability to communicate with others? I thought we > were well past isolated networks. > > -Jack > The point of the blog I quoted was that things are not only black, or only white (as some have been tempted to judge - i.e. completely bashing the original article). To your point - we need to communicate with others (Internet - non QoS ...), of course, but the critical production traffic runs for some on top of fully monitored (not necessarily controlled!) networks ... still ... -- ***Stefan http://twitter.com/netfortius
Re: Beware surfers: cyberspace is filling up
Stefan wrote: hmmm ... http://www.networkperformancedaily.com/2009/04/so_this_is_what_the_australian.html Hmmm. "that leased lines and private WANs that your company can monitor and control from end to end make it easier to retain and improve network performance than relying on the Internet" Are 10G leased lines (or even 1G) and private WANs common these days without using MPLS or some form of resource shared with Internet traffic? And what is the point without the ability to communicate with others? I thought we were well past isolated networks. -Jack
Re: Beware surfers: cyberspace is filling up
Guess we should keep a close eye on it here: http://internetstat.us/ On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 4:31 PM, Stefan wrote: > hmmm ... > > > http://www.networkperformancedaily.com/2009/04/so_this_is_what_the_australian.html > > -- > ***Stefan > http://twitter.com/netfortius > > On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 4:29 PM, wrote: > > On Thu, 30 Apr 2009 14:23:39 PDT, Greg Schwimer said: > >> Recycled alarmism... now get back to enjoying your bout of swine flu. > > > > More alarmism: > > > > > http://blog.wreckandsalvage.com/post/101932705/godaddy-recommends-against-purchasing-tv-domain > > > > :) > > > >
Re: Beware surfers: cyberspace is filling up
hmmm ... http://www.networkperformancedaily.com/2009/04/so_this_is_what_the_australian.html -- ***Stefan http://twitter.com/netfortius On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 4:29 PM, wrote: > On Thu, 30 Apr 2009 14:23:39 PDT, Greg Schwimer said: >> Recycled alarmism... now get back to enjoying your bout of swine flu. > > More alarmism: > > http://blog.wreckandsalvage.com/post/101932705/godaddy-recommends-against-purchasing-tv-domain > > :) >
Re: Beware surfers: cyberspace is filling up
On Thu, 30 Apr 2009 14:23:39 PDT, Greg Schwimer said: > Recycled alarmism... now get back to enjoying your bout of swine flu. More alarmism: http://blog.wreckandsalvage.com/post/101932705/godaddy-recommends-against-purchasing-tv-domain :) pgpzi6scz9Xvb.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Beware surfers: cyberspace is filling up
Recycled alarmism... now get back to enjoying your bout of swine flu. On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 12:55 PM, J.D. Falk wrote: > 'Experts predict that consumer demand, already growing at 60 per cent a > year, will start to exceed supply from as early as next year because of more > people working online and the soaring popularity of bandwidth-hungry > websites such as YouTube and services such as the BBC’s iPlayer. > > It will initially lead to computers being disrupted and going offline for > several minutes at a time. From 2012, however, PCs and laptops are likely to > operate at a much reduced speed, rendering the internet an “unreliable > toy”.' > > > http://technology.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/tech_and_web/the_web/article6169488.ece > > (I don't even know where to start.) > > -- > J.D. Falk > Return Path Inc > http://www.returnpath.net/ > >
Re: Beware surfers: cyberspace is filling up
On Thu, 30 Apr 2009 13:55:44 MDT, "J.D. Falk" said: > (I don't even know where to start.) Seen in a /etc/motd well over 2 decades ago: /dev/earth is 98% full. Please delete anybody you can. (OK, a tad drastic, I admit. ;) "When Sir Tim Berners-Lee, the British scientist, wrote the code that transformed a private computer network into the world wide web in 1989, the internet appeared to be a limitless resource." WTF? I remember cursing the congestion on our T-1 link to Suranet in 1989 a lot more often than I curse our 10G link today. Was *anybody* seeing bandwidth as limitless in 1989? ;) pgptp3m7v5T74.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Beware surfers: cyberspace is filling up
> > (I don't even know where to start.) You could always do what I did and get an internet surge protector that prevents computers from "freezing" during rolling data brown-outs. The nice banker from Nigeria I've been working with (I'm helping to recover a large inheritance left by a dead colleague) threw one in for "free" after I gave him my bank account info so he could wire the money. I'm expecting it to be delivered any day now, although according to my records it should have arrived last week. I'm sure everything will work itself out...
Re: Beware surfers: cyberspace is filling up
J.D. Falk wrote: http://technology.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/tech_and_web/the_web/article6169488.ece (I don't even know where to start.) I was more partial to: "In America, telecoms companies are spending £40 billion a year upgrading cables and supercomputers to increase capacity,"... We have supercomputers that need upgrading at the telecoms? And who were the peeps providing all this information which got distorted (or did it?) Jack
Re: Beware surfers: cyberspace is filling up
--- jdfalk-li...@cybernothing.org wrote: From: "J.D. Falk" 'Experts predict that consumer demand, already growing at 60 per cent a year, will start to exceed supply from as early as next year because of more people working online and the soaring popularity of bandwidth-hungry websites such as YouTube and services such as the BBC’s iPlayer. It will initially lead to computers being disrupted and going offline for several minutes at a time. From 2012, however, PCs and laptops are likely to operate at a much reduced speed, rendering the internet an “unreliable toy”.' http://technology.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/tech_and_web/the_web/article6169488.ece (I don't even know where to start.) --- I know where to start: HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! scott ps. I'm sure there's probably a PC way to say that, but I can't think of it at this time... ;-)
Re: Beware surfers: cyberspace is filling up
>> 'Experts predict that consumer demand, already growing at 60 per cent a >> year, will start to exceed supply ... >Dear author: HEY JERKFACE, APRIL 1 IS THE FIRST DAY OF THE MONTH, ... You know, we have only ourselves to blame. If we taped up the openings and blew all of the cruft out of the network every 1 April like we used to, we wouldn't have this problem. R's, John
Re: Beware surfers: cyberspace is filling up
> 'Experts predict that consumer demand, already growing at 60 per cent a > year, will start to exceed supply from as early as next year because of more > people working online and the soaring popularity of bandwidth-hungry > websites such as YouTube and services such as the BBCs iPlayer. > > It will initially lead to computers being disrupted and going offline for > several minutes at a time. From 2012, however, PCs and laptops are likely to > operate at a much reduced speed, rendering the internet an unreliable toy.' > > http://technology.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/tech_and_web/the_web/article6169488.ece > > (I don't even know where to start.) You can start by buying your PC a life vest, that way, if something bad should happen while you're surfing, at least it won't drown. Don't you just hate ignorant technobabble. Some idiot has been reliably making this prediction at least every year for the past two decades. Dear author: HEY JERKFACE, APRIL 1 IS THE FIRST DAY OF THE MONTH, NOT THE LAST. GET A CLUE AND FIND SOMETHING TRUE TO SAY. :-) ... JG -- Joe Greco - sol.net Network Services - Milwaukee, WI - http://www.sol.net "We call it the 'one bite at the apple' rule. Give me one chance [and] then I won't contact you again." - Direct Marketing Ass'n position on e-mail spam(CNN) With 24 million small businesses in the US alone, that's way too many apples.
Re: Beware surfers: cyberspace is filling up
J.D. Falk wrote: > 'Experts predict that consumer demand, already growing at 60 per cent > a year, will start to exceed supply from as early Can you re-send. Something seems to have stopped your entire message from reaching my inb
