Re: IPv6 Residential Deployment Survey

[Christopher Morrow]

On Mon, May 23, 2016 at 10:47 AM, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ <
jordi.pa...@consulintel.es> wrote:

> This is done so if you are part of a trial can keep answering. Otherwise,
> no sense to keep going, I guess …
>
> In other words, if you don’t offer IPv6 you must not answer to the survey …
>
>
​'don't offer' from the perspective of a client is really: "Did not get"

i filled in the survey as a client of the ISP.​



> Saludos,
> Jordi
>
>
> -Mensaje original-
> De: NANOG  en nombre de Christopher Morrow <
> morrowc.li...@gmail.com>
> Responder a: 
> Fecha: lunes, 23 de mayo de 2016, 16:15
> Para: Bjørn Mork 
> CC: John Curran , NANOG 
> Asunto: Re: IPv6 Residential Deployment Survey
>
> >On Mon, May 23, 2016 at 10:14 AM, Christopher Morrow <
> >morrowc.li...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> On Mon, May 23, 2016 at 9:34 AM, Bjørn Mork  wrote:
> >>
> >>> Got as far as the second page, where I was met by the question
> >>>
> >>>   "What technology is used for the customer link ?
> >>>Choose one of the following answers "
> >>>
> >>> Come on... One technology per ISP?  In what world is that?
> >>>
> >>>
> >> ​isn't this one answer stream per individual? so YOUR link at YOUR home
> is
> >> X-type.
> >> YOUR link at YOUR office/coffee-shop could be Y-type.
> >>
> >> you just need to answer the survey a few times...​
> >>
> >>
> >
> >​ha! sorry... question 3:
> >​Pre-commercial/Commercial Service
> >Is IPv6 already part of your commercial service ?
> >
> >"no"
> >
> >and question 4 is: "What ipv6 configuraiton for your WAN link?"
> >
> >err.. I said no to the previous question...
> >
>
>
>
>

Re: IPv6 Residential Deployment Survey

[JORDI PALET MARTINEZ]

This is done so if you are part of a trial can keep answering. Otherwise, no 
sense to keep going, I guess …

In other words, if you don’t offer IPv6 you must not answer to the survey …

Saludos,
Jordi


-Mensaje original-
De: NANOG  en nombre de Christopher Morrow 

Responder a: 
Fecha: lunes, 23 de mayo de 2016, 16:15
Para: Bjørn Mork 
CC: John Curran , NANOG 
Asunto: Re: IPv6 Residential Deployment Survey

>On Mon, May 23, 2016 at 10:14 AM, Christopher Morrow <
>morrowc.li...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, May 23, 2016 at 9:34 AM, Bjørn Mork  wrote:
>>
>>> Got as far as the second page, where I was met by the question
>>>
>>>   "What technology is used for the customer link ?
>>>Choose one of the following answers "
>>>
>>> Come on... One technology per ISP?  In what world is that?
>>>
>>>
>> ​isn't this one answer stream per individual? so YOUR link at YOUR home is
>> X-type.
>> YOUR link at YOUR office/coffee-shop could be Y-type.
>>
>> you just need to answer the survey a few times...​
>>
>>
>
>​ha! sorry... question 3:
>​Pre-commercial/Commercial Service
>Is IPv6 already part of your commercial service ?
>
>"no"
>
>and question 4 is: "What ipv6 configuraiton for your WAN link?"
>
>err.. I said no to the previous question...
>

Re: IPv6 Residential Deployment Survey

[Christopher Morrow]

On Mon, May 23, 2016 at 10:14 AM, Christopher Morrow <
morrowc.li...@gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
> On Mon, May 23, 2016 at 9:34 AM, Bjørn Mork  wrote:
>
>> Got as far as the second page, where I was met by the question
>>
>>   "What technology is used for the customer link ?
>>Choose one of the following answers "
>>
>> Come on... One technology per ISP?  In what world is that?
>>
>>
> ​isn't this one answer stream per individual? so YOUR link at YOUR home is
> X-type.
> YOUR link at YOUR office/coffee-shop could be Y-type.
>
> you just need to answer the survey a few times...​
>
>

​ha! sorry... question 3:
​Pre-commercial/Commercial Service
Is IPv6 already part of your commercial service ?

"no"

and question 4 is: "What ipv6 configuraiton for your WAN link?"

err.. I said no to the previous question...

Re: IPv6 Residential Deployment Survey

[Christopher Morrow]

On Mon, May 23, 2016 at 9:34 AM, Bjørn Mork  wrote:

> Got as far as the second page, where I was met by the question
>
>   "What technology is used for the customer link ?
>Choose one of the following answers "
>
> Come on... One technology per ISP?  In what world is that?
>
>
​isn't this one answer stream per individual? so YOUR link at YOUR home is
X-type.
YOUR link at YOUR office/coffee-shop could be Y-type.

you just need to answer the survey a few times...​

Re: IPv6 Residential Deployment Survey

[JORDI PALET MARTINEZ]

Hi,

The intend is to make the survey simple, so in that case, you have two choices:

1) The same IPv6 services by means of DSL and FTTH (example), then you can use 
“other” and indicate that.
2) Different IPv6 services with different access technology, then you better 
fill one survey for each technology.

After initial responses in a “smaller” survey via simple email, it was 
considered that case 2 is most common, so I didn't considered, to simplify 
stats, to be able to choose simultaneously several technologies.

Regards,
Jordi


-Mensaje original-
De: NANOG  en nombre de Bjørn Mork 
Organización: m
Responder a: 
Fecha: lunes, 23 de mayo de 2016, 15:34
Para: John Curran 
CC: NANOG 
Asunto: Re: IPv6 Residential Deployment Survey

>Got as far as the second page, where I was met by the question
>
>  "What technology is used for the customer link ?
>   Choose one of the following answers "
>
>Come on... One technology per ISP?  In what world is that?
>
>
>
>Bjørn
>
>
>
>
>John Curran  writes:
>
>> NANOGers -
>>
>> If you are providing residential Internet service with IPv6 (or
>> are a customer of same), please take a moment to complete
>> Jordi’s survey - this will help provide insight into the actual
>> technical practices being used in residential IPv6 deployment.
>>
>> More details in attached email - Thanks!
>> /John
>>
>>
>> Begin forwarded message:
>>
>> From: John Curran mailto:jcur...@arin.net>>
>> Subject: [arin-ppml] IPv6 Residential Deployment Survey
>> Date: May 22, 2016 at 6:24:17 AM GMT+2
>> To: ARIN PPML mailto:p...@arin.net>>
>>
>> Folks -
>>
>> Jordi Palet Martínez is conducting a brief survey regarding IPv6 
>> deployment
>> in residential Internet service.   Having insight into the various 
>> practices that
>> are in use may help to inform IPv6 number resource policy development, 
>> and
>> thus I ask that you take a moment to complete the survey if you are 
>> providing
>> such services (whether production or trial basis.)
>>
>> Jordi notes -
>>
>> "The results will be published and updated every month or so -
>>   No personal data will be published.
>>
>>   (If you know your network, it takes less than 2 minutes to 
>> complete it)
>>   The survey can be responded even if is not yet a commercial 
>> service,
>>   and customers can also respond, not just the ISP. However, to avoid
>>   duplicate data, make sure to include the country and ISP name.”
>>
>>  The IPv6 Residential Deployment Survey may be found here -
>> <http://survey.consulintel.es/index.php/175122>
>>
>>
>> Thanks!
>> /John
>>
>> John Curran
>> President and CEO
>> ARIN
>

Re: IPv6 Residential Deployment Survey

[JORDI PALET MARTINEZ]

Thanks a lot ¡

Saludos,
Jordi


-Mensaje original-
De: "Aaron C. de Bruyn" 
Responder a: 
Fecha: domingo, 22 de mayo de 2016, 22:11
Para: Jordi Palet Martinez 
CC: John Curran , NANOG 
Asunto: Re: IPv6 Residential Deployment Survey

>Did some digging, it's was being caused by a plugin.
>Thanks,
>
>-A
>
>
>
>On Sun, May 22, 2016 at 11:37 AM, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ 
> wrote:
>
>Hi Aaron,
>
>Sorry to heard that. Is the first report I got about this problem (253 
>responses already and many using Chrome), so may be specific to Chrome+Linux, 
>not sure if you have been able to try with another browser or OS.
>
>Regards,
>Jordi
>
>
>-Mensaje original-
>De: NANOG  en nombre de "Aaron C. de Bruyn" 
>
>Responder a: 
>Fecha: domingo, 22 de mayo de 2016, 20:15
>Para: John Curran 
>CC: NANOG 
>Asunto: Re: IPv6 Residential Deployment Survey
>
>>The 'Next' button just keeps refreshing the initial page for me (Chrome,
>>Linux).
>>
>>I was hoping there was an option in the survey for "I contacted my local
>>monopoly^H^H^H^H^H provider, talked with their 'network guy' and asked
>>about IPv6.  He said he'd heard about it, but they probably won't going to
>>even investigate it for 'a couple of years'".
>>
>>-A
>>
>>On Sat, May 21, 2016 at 9:32 PM, John Curran  wrote:
>>
>>> NANOGers -
>>>
>>> If you are providing residential Internet service with IPv6 (or
>>> are a customer of same), please take a moment to complete
>>> Jordi’s survey - this will help provide insight into the actual
>>> technical practices being used in residential IPv6 deployment.
>>>
>>> More details in attached email - Thanks!
>>> /John
>>>
>>>
>>> Begin forwarded message:
>>>
>>> From: John Curran mailto:jcur...@arin.net>>
>>> Subject: [arin-ppml] IPv6 Residential Deployment Survey
>>> Date: May 22, 2016 at 6:24:17 AM GMT+2
>>> To: ARIN PPML mailto:p...@arin.net>>
>>>
>>> Folks -
>>>
>>> Jordi Palet Martínez is conducting a brief survey regarding IPv6
>>> deployment
>>> in residential Internet service.   Having insight into the various
>>> practices that
>>> are in use may help to inform IPv6 number resource policy development,
>>> and
>>> thus I ask that you take a moment to complete the survey if you are
>>> providing
>>> such services (whether production or trial basis.)
>>>
>>> Jordi notes -
>>>
>>> "The results will be published and updated every month or so -
>>>   No personal data will be published.
>>>
>>>   (If you know your network, it takes less than 2 minutes to
>>> complete it)
>>>   The survey can be responded even if is not yet a commercial
>>> service,
>>>   and customers can also respond, not just the ISP. However, to
>>> avoid
>>>   duplicate data, make sure to include the country and ISP name.”
>>>
>>>  The IPv6 Residential Deployment Survey may be found here -
>>> <http://survey.consulintel.es/index.php/175122>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>> /John
>>>
>>> John Curran
>>> President and CEO
>>> ARIN
>>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: IPv6 Residential Deployment Survey

[JORDI PALET MARTINEZ]

Hi Aaron,

Sorry to heard that. Is the first report I got about this problem (253 
responses already and many using Chrome), so may be specific to Chrome+Linux, 
not sure if you have been able to try with another browser or OS.

Regards,
Jordi


-Mensaje original-
De: NANOG  en nombre de "Aaron C. de Bruyn" 

Responder a: 
Fecha: domingo, 22 de mayo de 2016, 20:15
Para: John Curran 
CC: NANOG 
Asunto: Re: IPv6 Residential Deployment Survey

>The 'Next' button just keeps refreshing the initial page for me (Chrome,
>Linux).
>
>I was hoping there was an option in the survey for "I contacted my local
>monopoly^H^H^H^H^H provider, talked with their 'network guy' and asked
>about IPv6.  He said he'd heard about it, but they probably won't going to
>even investigate it for 'a couple of years'".
>
>-A
>
>On Sat, May 21, 2016 at 9:32 PM, John Curran  wrote:
>
>> NANOGers -
>>
>> If you are providing residential Internet service with IPv6 (or
>> are a customer of same), please take a moment to complete
>> Jordi’s survey - this will help provide insight into the actual
>> technical practices being used in residential IPv6 deployment.
>>
>> More details in attached email - Thanks!
>> /John
>>
>>
>> Begin forwarded message:
>>
>> From: John Curran mailto:jcur...@arin.net>>
>> Subject: [arin-ppml] IPv6 Residential Deployment Survey
>> Date: May 22, 2016 at 6:24:17 AM GMT+2
>> To: ARIN PPML mailto:p...@arin.net>>
>>
>> Folks -
>>
>> Jordi Palet Martínez is conducting a brief survey regarding IPv6
>> deployment
>> in residential Internet service.   Having insight into the various
>> practices that
>> are in use may help to inform IPv6 number resource policy development,
>> and
>> thus I ask that you take a moment to complete the survey if you are
>> providing
>> such services (whether production or trial basis.)
>>
>> Jordi notes -
>>
>> "The results will be published and updated every month or so -
>>   No personal data will be published.
>>
>>   (If you know your network, it takes less than 2 minutes to
>> complete it)
>>   The survey can be responded even if is not yet a commercial
>> service,
>>   and customers can also respond, not just the ISP. However, to
>> avoid
>>   duplicate data, make sure to include the country and ISP name.”
>>
>>  The IPv6 Residential Deployment Survey may be found here -
>> <http://survey.consulintel.es/index.php/175122>
>>
>>
>> Thanks!
>> /John
>>
>> John Curran
>> President and CEO
>> ARIN
>>
>

Re: IPv6 Residential Deployment Survey

[Bjørn Mork]

Got as far as the second page, where I was met by the question

  "What technology is used for the customer link ?
   Choose one of the following answers "

Come on... One technology per ISP?  In what world is that?



Bjørn




John Curran  writes:

> NANOGers -
>
> If you are providing residential Internet service with IPv6 (or
> are a customer of same), please take a moment to complete
> Jordi’s survey - this will help provide insight into the actual
> technical practices being used in residential IPv6 deployment.
>
> More details in attached email - Thanks!
> /John
>
>
> Begin forwarded message:
>
> From: John Curran mailto:jcur...@arin.net>>
> Subject: [arin-ppml] IPv6 Residential Deployment Survey
> Date: May 22, 2016 at 6:24:17 AM GMT+2
> To: ARIN PPML mailto:p...@arin.net>>
>
> Folks -
>
> Jordi Palet Martínez is conducting a brief survey regarding IPv6 
> deployment
> in residential Internet service.   Having insight into the various 
> practices that
> are in use may help to inform IPv6 number resource policy development, and
> thus I ask that you take a moment to complete the survey if you are 
> providing
> such services (whether production or trial basis.)
>
> Jordi notes -
>
> "The results will be published and updated every month or so -
>   No personal data will be published.
>
>   (If you know your network, it takes less than 2 minutes to complete 
> it)
>   The survey can be responded even if is not yet a commercial service,
>   and customers can also respond, not just the ISP. However, to avoid
>   duplicate data, make sure to include the country and ISP name.”
>
>  The IPv6 Residential Deployment Survey may be found here -
> 
>
>
> Thanks!
> /John
>
> John Curran
> President and CEO
> ARIN

Re: IPv6 Residential Deployment Survey

[Aaron C. de Bruyn]

Did some digging, it's was being caused by a plugin.

Thanks,

-A

On Sun, May 22, 2016 at 11:37 AM, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ <
jordi.pa...@consulintel.es> wrote:

> Hi Aaron,
>
> Sorry to heard that. Is the first report I got about this problem (253
> responses already and many using Chrome), so may be specific to
> Chrome+Linux, not sure if you have been able to try with another browser or
> OS.
>
> Regards,
> Jordi
>
>
> -Mensaje original-
> De: NANOG  en nombre de "Aaron C. de Bruyn" <
> aa...@heyaaron.com>
> Responder a: 
> Fecha: domingo, 22 de mayo de 2016, 20:15
> Para: John Curran 
> CC: NANOG 
> Asunto: Re: IPv6 Residential Deployment Survey
>
> >The 'Next' button just keeps refreshing the initial page for me (Chrome,
> >Linux).
> >
> >I was hoping there was an option in the survey for "I contacted my local
> >monopoly^H^H^H^H^H provider, talked with their 'network guy' and asked
> >about IPv6.  He said he'd heard about it, but they probably won't going to
> >even investigate it for 'a couple of years'".
> >
> >-A
> >
> >On Sat, May 21, 2016 at 9:32 PM, John Curran  wrote:
> >
> >> NANOGers -
> >>
> >> If you are providing residential Internet service with IPv6 (or
> >> are a customer of same), please take a moment to complete
> >> Jordi’s survey - this will help provide insight into the actual
> >> technical practices being used in residential IPv6 deployment.
> >>
> >> More details in attached email - Thanks!
> >> /John
> >>
> >>
> >> Begin forwarded message:
> >>
> >> From: John Curran mailto:jcur...@arin.net>>
> >> Subject: [arin-ppml] IPv6 Residential Deployment Survey
> >> Date: May 22, 2016 at 6:24:17 AM GMT+2
> >> To: ARIN PPML mailto:p...@arin.net>>
> >>
> >> Folks -
> >>
> >> Jordi Palet Martínez is conducting a brief survey regarding IPv6
> >> deployment
> >> in residential Internet service.   Having insight into the various
> >> practices that
> >> are in use may help to inform IPv6 number resource policy
> development,
> >> and
> >> thus I ask that you take a moment to complete the survey if you are
> >> providing
> >> such services (whether production or trial basis.)
> >>
> >> Jordi notes -
> >>
> >> "The results will be published and updated every month or so -
> >>   No personal data will be published.
> >>
> >>   (If you know your network, it takes less than 2 minutes to
> >> complete it)
> >>   The survey can be responded even if is not yet a commercial
> >> service,
> >>   and customers can also respond, not just the ISP. However, to
> >> avoid
> >>   duplicate data, make sure to include the country and ISP
> name.”
> >>
> >>  The IPv6 Residential Deployment Survey may be found here -
> >> <http://survey.consulintel.es/index.php/175122>
> >>
> >>
> >> Thanks!
> >> /John
> >>
> >> John Curran
> >> President and CEO
> >> ARIN
> >>
> >
>
>
>
>

RE: IPv6 Residential Deployment Survey

[Gary Wardell]

Hi,

My business provider (Shentel) doesn't even offer IPv6.

I have asked repeatedly.

Gary

> -Original Message-
> From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of John Curran
> Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2016 12:32 AM
> To: NANOG
> Subject: IPv6 Residential Deployment Survey
> 
> NANOGers -
> 
> If you are providing residential Internet service with IPv6 (or
> are a customer of same), please take a moment to complete
> Jordi’s survey - this will help provide insight into the actual
> technical practices being used in residential IPv6 deployment.
> 
> More details in attached email - Thanks!
> /John
> 
> 
> Begin forwarded message:
> 
> From: John Curran mailto:jcur...@arin.net>>
> Subject: [arin-ppml] IPv6 Residential Deployment Survey
> Date: May 22, 2016 at 6:24:17 AM GMT+2
> To: ARIN PPML mailto:p...@arin.net>>
> 
> Folks -
> 
> Jordi Palet Martínez is conducting a brief survey regarding IPv6 
> deployment
> in residential Internet service.   Having insight into the various 
> practices that
> are in use may help to inform IPv6 number resource policy development,
> and
> thus I ask that you take a moment to complete the survey if you are
> providing
> such services (whether production or trial basis.)
> 
> Jordi notes -
> 
> "The results will be published and updated every month or so -
>   No personal data will be published.
> 
>   (If you know your network, it takes less than 2 minutes to complete 
> it)
>   The survey can be responded even if is not yet a commercial service,
>   and customers can also respond, not just the ISP. However, to avoid
>   duplicate data, make sure to include the country and ISP name.”
> 
>  The IPv6 Residential Deployment Survey may be found here -
> 
> 
> 
> Thanks!
> /John
> 
> John Curran
> President and CEO
> ARIN

Re: IPv6 Residential Deployment Survey

[Aaron C. de Bruyn]

The 'Next' button just keeps refreshing the initial page for me (Chrome,
Linux).

I was hoping there was an option in the survey for "I contacted my local
monopoly^H^H^H^H^H provider, talked with their 'network guy' and asked
about IPv6.  He said he'd heard about it, but they probably won't going to
even investigate it for 'a couple of years'".

-A

On Sat, May 21, 2016 at 9:32 PM, John Curran  wrote:

> NANOGers -
>
> If you are providing residential Internet service with IPv6 (or
> are a customer of same), please take a moment to complete
> Jordi’s survey - this will help provide insight into the actual
> technical practices being used in residential IPv6 deployment.
>
> More details in attached email - Thanks!
> /John
>
>
> Begin forwarded message:
>
> From: John Curran mailto:jcur...@arin.net>>
> Subject: [arin-ppml] IPv6 Residential Deployment Survey
> Date: May 22, 2016 at 6:24:17 AM GMT+2
> To: ARIN PPML mailto:p...@arin.net>>
>
> Folks -
>
> Jordi Palet Martínez is conducting a brief survey regarding IPv6
> deployment
> in residential Internet service.   Having insight into the various
> practices that
> are in use may help to inform IPv6 number resource policy development,
> and
> thus I ask that you take a moment to complete the survey if you are
> providing
> such services (whether production or trial basis.)
>
> Jordi notes -
>
> "The results will be published and updated every month or so -
>   No personal data will be published.
>
>   (If you know your network, it takes less than 2 minutes to
> complete it)
>   The survey can be responded even if is not yet a commercial
> service,
>   and customers can also respond, not just the ISP. However, to
> avoid
>   duplicate data, make sure to include the country and ISP name.”
>
>  The IPv6 Residential Deployment Survey may be found here -
> 
>
>
> Thanks!
> /John
>
> John Curran
> President and CEO
> ARIN
>

Re: IPv6 Residential Deployment Survey

[John Curran]

> On May 22, 2016, at 9:04 AM, Majdi S. Abbas  wrote:
> 
> On Sun, May 22, 2016 at 04:32:11AM +, John Curran wrote:
>> NANOGers -
>> 
>>If you are providing residential Internet service with IPv6 (or
>>are a customer of same), please take a moment to complete
>>Jordi’s survey - this will help provide insight into the actual
>>technical practices being used in residential IPv6 deployment.
> 
>   John,
> 
>   Allow me to suggest an additional survey:
> 
>   If you're a customer of a provider that currently provides
> IPv6, and are not using it, please tell us why.
> 
>   In my case, on my consumer connection at home, I cannot utilize
> IPv6 because my provider does not wish to provide more than a /64 to
> a subscriber, and my equipment vendor (Juniper) does not support DHCPv6
> PD delegation hints, so I'll always get a /64 that does not scale well
> to the >1 subnet I have internally.  (4: Managment, Media, Guest, & 
> Internal.)


Majdi - 

  You should definitely complete the survey accordingly…  that’s the 
  kind of technical feedback that I believe Jordi is trying to collect!

/John

Re: IPv6 Residential Deployment Survey

[Majdi S. Abbas]

On Sun, May 22, 2016 at 04:32:11AM +, John Curran wrote:
> NANOGers -
> 
> If you are providing residential Internet service with IPv6 (or
> are a customer of same), please take a moment to complete
> Jordi’s survey - this will help provide insight into the actual
> technical practices being used in residential IPv6 deployment.

John,

Allow me to suggest an additional survey:

If you're a customer of a provider that currently provides
IPv6, and are not using it, please tell us why.

In my case, on my consumer connection at home, I cannot utilize
IPv6 because my provider does not wish to provide more than a /64 to
a subscriber, and my equipment vendor (Juniper) does not support DHCPv6
PD delegation hints, so I'll always get a /64 that does not scale well
to the >1 subnet I have internally.  (4: Managment, Media, Guest, & 
Internal.)

--msa