Re: SMS Email Gateway - sms.myboostmobile.com discontinued

[Robert Taylor]

Where I work, we got sick of random problems with public email sms
gateways, ( sometimes multi hour delays, or spontaneously issues not
relaying, on different carriers) we bought a hardware sms gateway from
Smseagle. Been using it for close to a year now, no issues.

We also looked at using sns from Amazon as well.


rgt

On Sun, Aug 6, 2023 at 11:19 AM Matthew McGehrin 
wrote:

> Hello.
>
> For the past few weeks I have been noticing that various emails were
> bouncing when sending to sms.myboostmobile.com, which has been a reliable
> SMS gateway for 10+ years. I contacted "Advanced Support" on Saturday who
> said that  Boost Mobile has discontinued their SMS Email Gateway after the
> DISH merger. Just a heads up if you have any SMS email gateways being used
> that you should also periodically test them, to ensure they are still
> active.
>
> Matthew
>
>

Re: SMS gateways

[Adam Kennedy]

The device can definitely send texts. I had to purchase the device as a
data only device, then I contacted support and told them I was working with
Cisco on a project where the router uses these devices but needs text
capability. They did some magic on the number in their system and got it up
and running.


Adam Kennedy | Network & Systems Engineer

Broadband Networks

A Watch Communications Company

PO Box 8 | Rushville, Indiana | 46173

Tel - 866-586-1518 | Fax - 866-567-3897

adamkenn...@broadbandnetworks.com

www.broadbandnetworks.com

On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 9:53 AM, Ray Orsini <r...@orsiniit.com> wrote:

> I can confirm that the device can send texts. I use the same 320U and 340U
> with AT and T-Mobile sims. Text is actually how they reset your account
> password if you need it. I use the prepaid plans.
>
> Regards,
>
> Ray Orsini – CEO
> Orsini IT, LLC – Technology Consultants
> VOICE DATA  BANDWIDTH  SECURITY  SUPPORT
> P: 305.967.6756 x1009   E: r...@orsiniit.com   TF: 844.OIT.VOIP
> 7900 NW 155th Street, Suite 103, Miami Lakes, FL 33016
> http://www.orsiniit.com | View My Calendar | View/Pay Your Invoices | View
> Your Tickets
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Matthew Huff [mailto:mh...@ox.com]
> Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2016 9:46 AM
> To: Adam Kennedy <adamkenn...@watchcomm.net>; Ray Orsini <r...@orsiniit.com
> >
> Cc: John Levine <jo...@iecc.com>; nanog@nanog.org
> Subject: RE: SMS gateways
>
> According to AT sales, the Netgear Beam is a "data-only" device and
> cannot
> send SMS when I just tried to order one. I wouldn't care what they thought,
> but they won't let me set up a plan that includes text. Anyone have any
> suggestions?
>
>
> 
> Matthew Huff | 1 Manhattanville Rd Director of Operations   |
> Purchase, NY 10577 OTA Management LLC   | Phone: 914-460-4039
> aim: matthewbhuff| Fax:   914-694-5669
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Adam Kennedy
> > Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2016 1:26 AM
> > To: Ray Orsini <r...@orsiniit.com>
> > Cc: John Levine <jo...@iecc.com>; nanog@nanog.org
> > Subject: Re: SMS gateways
> >
> > It was some special offer on our AT small business site. Maybe they
> > were
> > $40 each. I wasn't the one that ordered them but I know they were
> > pretty cheap and so far working fine!
> >
> >
> > Adam Kennedy | Network & Systems Engineer
> >
> > Broadband Networks
> >
> > A Watch Communications Company
> >
> > PO Box 8 | Rushville, Indiana | 46173
> >
> > Tel - 866-586-1518 | Fax - 866-567-3897
> >
> > adamkenn...@broadbandnetworks.com
> >
> > www.broadbandnetworks.com
> >
> > On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 8:08 AM, Ray Orsini <r...@orsiniit.com> wrote:
> >
> > > We use those a lot with mobile hotspots. Where did you find them for
> > $20?
> > > We
> > > usually pay about 2x that much for used untis.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Ray Orsini – CEO
> > > Orsini IT, LLC – Technology Consultants VOICE DATA  BANDWIDTH 
> > > SECURITY  SUPPORT
> > > P: 305.967.6756 x1009   E: r...@orsiniit.com   TF: 844.OIT.VOIP
> > > 7900 NW 155th Street, Suite 103, Miami Lakes, FL 33016
> > > http://www.orsiniit.com | View My Calendar | View/Pay Your Invoices
> > > | View Your Tickets
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Adam
> > > Kennedy
> > > Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2016 12:56 AM
> > > To: frnk...@iname.com
> > > Cc: John Levine <jo...@iecc.com>; nanog@nanog.org
> > > Subject: Re: SMS gateways
> > >
> > > I picked up two of the AT "Beam" USB devices that use the LTE
> > network.
> > > Netgear is the listed manufacturer and has firmware for the units
> > > that makes them usable on Linux. I loaded the driver for those into
> > > a Debian box and I'm able to use smstools open source software to
> > > send SMS from the unit directly to cell network. The AT Beam's
> > > were $20 I think and cost us about $15/mo as additional lines on our
> > > corporate plan.
> > >
> > >
> > > Adam Kennedy | Network & Systems Engineer
> > >
> > > Broadband Networks
> > >
> > > A Watch Communications Company
> > >
> > > PO Box 8 | Rushville, Indiana | 46173
> > >
> > > Tel - 866-586-1518 | Fax - 866-5

RE: SMS gateways

[Matthew Huff]

According to AT sales, the Netgear Beam is a "data-only" device and cannot 
send SMS when I just tried to order one. I wouldn't care what they thought, but 
they won't let me set up a plan that includes text. Anyone have any suggestions?



Matthew Huff | 1 Manhattanville Rd
Director of Operations   | Purchase, NY 10577
OTA Management LLC   | Phone: 914-460-4039
aim: matthewbhuff    | Fax:   914-694-5669

> -Original Message-
> From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Adam Kennedy
> Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2016 1:26 AM
> To: Ray Orsini <r...@orsiniit.com>
> Cc: John Levine <jo...@iecc.com>; nanog@nanog.org
> Subject: Re: SMS gateways
> 
> It was some special offer on our AT small business site. Maybe they
> were
> $40 each. I wasn't the one that ordered them but I know they were pretty
> cheap and so far working fine!
> 
> 
> Adam Kennedy | Network & Systems Engineer
> 
> Broadband Networks
> 
> A Watch Communications Company
> 
> PO Box 8 | Rushville, Indiana | 46173
> 
> Tel - 866-586-1518 | Fax - 866-567-3897
> 
> adamkenn...@broadbandnetworks.com
> 
> www.broadbandnetworks.com
> 
> On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 8:08 AM, Ray Orsini <r...@orsiniit.com> wrote:
> 
> > We use those a lot with mobile hotspots. Where did you find them for
> $20?
> > We
> > usually pay about 2x that much for used untis.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Ray Orsini – CEO
> > Orsini IT, LLC – Technology Consultants VOICE DATA  BANDWIDTH 
> > SECURITY  SUPPORT
> > P: 305.967.6756 x1009   E: r...@orsiniit.com   TF: 844.OIT.VOIP
> > 7900 NW 155th Street, Suite 103, Miami Lakes, FL 33016
> > http://www.orsiniit.com | View My Calendar | View/Pay Your Invoices |
> > View Your Tickets
> >
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-----
> > From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Adam Kennedy
> > Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2016 12:56 AM
> > To: frnk...@iname.com
> > Cc: John Levine <jo...@iecc.com>; nanog@nanog.org
> > Subject: Re: SMS gateways
> >
> > I picked up two of the AT "Beam" USB devices that use the LTE
> network.
> > Netgear is the listed manufacturer and has firmware for the units that
> > makes them usable on Linux. I loaded the driver for those into a
> > Debian box and I'm able to use smstools open source software to send
> > SMS from the unit directly to cell network. The AT Beam's were $20 I
> > think and cost us about $15/mo as additional lines on our corporate
> > plan.
> >
> >
> > Adam Kennedy | Network & Systems Engineer
> >
> > Broadband Networks
> >
> > A Watch Communications Company
> >
> > PO Box 8 | Rushville, Indiana | 46173
> >
> > Tel - 866-586-1518 | Fax - 866-567-3897
> >
> > adamkenn...@broadbandnetworks.com
> >
> > www.broadbandnetworks.com
> >
> > On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 12:52 AM, Adam Kennedy
> > <adamkenn...@watchcomm.net>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > I picked up two of the AT "Beam" USB devices that use the LTE
> network.
> > > Netgear is the listed manufacturer and has firmware for the units
> > > that makes them usable on Linux. I loaded the driver for those into
> > > a Debian box and I'm able to use smstools open source software to
> > > send SMS from the unit directly to cell network. The AT Beam's
> > > were $20 I think and cost us about $15/mo as additional lines on our
> corporate plan.
> > >
> > >
> > > Adam Kennedy | Network & Systems Engineer
> > >
> > > Broadband Networks
> > >
> > > A Watch Communications Company
> > >
> > > PO Box 8 | Rushville, Indiana | 46173
> > >
> > > Tel - 866-586-1518 | Fax - 866-567-3897
> > >
> > > adamkenn...@broadbandnetworks.com
> > >
> > > www.broadbandnetworks.com
> > >
> > > On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 11:38 PM, <frnk...@iname.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >> I plan to continue living in a rural area with a GSM provider that
> > >> will support 2G. =)
> > >>
> > >> Frank
> > >>
> > >> -Original Message-
> > >> From: John Levine [mailto:jo...@iecc.com]
> > >> Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2016 5:24 PM
> > >> To: nanog@nanog.org
> > >> Cc: frnk...@iname.com
> > >> Subject: Re: SMS gateways
> > >>
> > >> In article <006501d14b31$7c478e40$74d6aac0$@iname.com> you write:
> > >> >Surprised no one has mentioned the Multimodem iSMS:
> > >> http://www.multitech.com/brands/multimodem-isms
> > >> >
> > >> >Been using it for 5+ years -- first three years the code wasn't
> > >> >stable,
> > >> needing a reboot every few months,
> > >> >but the latest code has been stable for 2+ years.
> > >>
> > >> It looked interesting until I got to the part where it says it uses
> > >> a 2G GSM modem.  AT has said quite firmly that they will turn off
> > >> their 2G network in 2017, and press reports say that T-Mobile is
> > >> already turning off 2G in favor of LTE.
> > >>
> > >> What do you plan to do instead next year?
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> >

RE: SMS gateways

[Ray Orsini]

I can confirm that the device can send texts. I use the same 320U and 340U
with AT and T-Mobile sims. Text is actually how they reset your account
password if you need it. I use the prepaid plans.

Regards,

Ray Orsini – CEO
Orsini IT, LLC – Technology Consultants
VOICE DATA  BANDWIDTH  SECURITY  SUPPORT
P: 305.967.6756 x1009   E: r...@orsiniit.com   TF: 844.OIT.VOIP
7900 NW 155th Street, Suite 103, Miami Lakes, FL 33016
http://www.orsiniit.com | View My Calendar | View/Pay Your Invoices | View
Your Tickets



-Original Message-
From: Matthew Huff [mailto:mh...@ox.com]
Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2016 9:46 AM
To: Adam Kennedy <adamkenn...@watchcomm.net>; Ray Orsini <r...@orsiniit.com>
Cc: John Levine <jo...@iecc.com>; nanog@nanog.org
Subject: RE: SMS gateways

According to AT sales, the Netgear Beam is a "data-only" device and cannot
send SMS when I just tried to order one. I wouldn't care what they thought,
but they won't let me set up a plan that includes text. Anyone have any
suggestions?



Matthew Huff | 1 Manhattanville Rd Director of Operations   |
Purchase, NY 10577 OTA Management LLC   | Phone: 914-460-4039
aim: matthewbhuff| Fax:   914-694-5669

> -Original Message-
> From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Adam Kennedy
> Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2016 1:26 AM
> To: Ray Orsini <r...@orsiniit.com>
> Cc: John Levine <jo...@iecc.com>; nanog@nanog.org
> Subject: Re: SMS gateways
>
> It was some special offer on our AT small business site. Maybe they
> were
> $40 each. I wasn't the one that ordered them but I know they were
> pretty cheap and so far working fine!
>
>
> Adam Kennedy | Network & Systems Engineer
>
> Broadband Networks
>
> A Watch Communications Company
>
> PO Box 8 | Rushville, Indiana | 46173
>
> Tel - 866-586-1518 | Fax - 866-567-3897
>
> adamkenn...@broadbandnetworks.com
>
> www.broadbandnetworks.com
>
> On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 8:08 AM, Ray Orsini <r...@orsiniit.com> wrote:
>
> > We use those a lot with mobile hotspots. Where did you find them for
> $20?
> > We
> > usually pay about 2x that much for used untis.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Ray Orsini – CEO
> > Orsini IT, LLC – Technology Consultants VOICE DATA  BANDWIDTH 
> > SECURITY  SUPPORT
> > P: 305.967.6756 x1009   E: r...@orsiniit.com   TF: 844.OIT.VOIP
> > 7900 NW 155th Street, Suite 103, Miami Lakes, FL 33016
> > http://www.orsiniit.com | View My Calendar | View/Pay Your Invoices
> > | View Your Tickets
> >
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Adam
> > Kennedy
> > Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2016 12:56 AM
> > To: frnk...@iname.com
> > Cc: John Levine <jo...@iecc.com>; nanog@nanog.org
> > Subject: Re: SMS gateways
> >
> > I picked up two of the AT "Beam" USB devices that use the LTE
> network.
> > Netgear is the listed manufacturer and has firmware for the units
> > that makes them usable on Linux. I loaded the driver for those into
> > a Debian box and I'm able to use smstools open source software to
> > send SMS from the unit directly to cell network. The AT Beam's
> > were $20 I think and cost us about $15/mo as additional lines on our
> > corporate plan.
> >
> >
> > Adam Kennedy | Network & Systems Engineer
> >
> > Broadband Networks
> >
> > A Watch Communications Company
> >
> > PO Box 8 | Rushville, Indiana | 46173
> >
> > Tel - 866-586-1518 | Fax - 866-567-3897
> >
> > adamkenn...@broadbandnetworks.com
> >
> > www.broadbandnetworks.com
> >
> > On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 12:52 AM, Adam Kennedy
> > <adamkenn...@watchcomm.net>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > I picked up two of the AT "Beam" USB devices that use the LTE
> network.
> > > Netgear is the listed manufacturer and has firmware for the units
> > > that makes them usable on Linux. I loaded the driver for those
> > > into a Debian box and I'm able to use smstools open source
> > > software to send SMS from the unit directly to cell network. The
> > > AT Beam's were $20 I think and cost us about $15/mo as
> > > additional lines on our
> corporate plan.
> > >
> > >
> > > Adam Kennedy | Network & Systems Engineer
> > >
> > > Broadband Networks
> > >
> > > A Watch Communications Company
> > >
> > > PO Box 8 | Rushville, Indiana | 46173
> > >
> > > Tel - 866-586-1518 | Fax - 866-567-3897
> > >
> > > a

Re: SMS gateways

[Adam Kennedy]

It was some special offer on our AT small business site. Maybe they were
$40 each. I wasn't the one that ordered them but I know they were pretty
cheap and so far working fine!


Adam Kennedy | Network & Systems Engineer

Broadband Networks

A Watch Communications Company

PO Box 8 | Rushville, Indiana | 46173

Tel - 866-586-1518 | Fax - 866-567-3897

adamkenn...@broadbandnetworks.com

www.broadbandnetworks.com

On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 8:08 AM, Ray Orsini <r...@orsiniit.com> wrote:

> We use those a lot with mobile hotspots. Where did you find them for $20?
> We
> usually pay about 2x that much for used untis.
>
> Regards,
> Ray Orsini – CEO
> Orsini IT, LLC – Technology Consultants
> VOICE DATA  BANDWIDTH  SECURITY  SUPPORT
> P: 305.967.6756 x1009   E: r...@orsiniit.com   TF: 844.OIT.VOIP
> 7900 NW 155th Street, Suite 103, Miami Lakes, FL 33016
> http://www.orsiniit.com | View My Calendar | View/Pay Your Invoices | View
> Your Tickets
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Adam Kennedy
> Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2016 12:56 AM
> To: frnk...@iname.com
> Cc: John Levine <jo...@iecc.com>; nanog@nanog.org
> Subject: Re: SMS gateways
>
> I picked up two of the AT "Beam" USB devices that use the LTE network.
> Netgear is the listed manufacturer and has firmware for the units that
> makes
> them usable on Linux. I loaded the driver for those into a Debian box and
> I'm able to use smstools open source software to send SMS from the unit
> directly to cell network. The AT Beam's were $20 I think and cost us
> about
> $15/mo as additional lines on our corporate plan.
>
>
> Adam Kennedy | Network & Systems Engineer
>
> Broadband Networks
>
> A Watch Communications Company
>
> PO Box 8 | Rushville, Indiana | 46173
>
> Tel - 866-586-1518 | Fax - 866-567-3897
>
> adamkenn...@broadbandnetworks.com
>
> www.broadbandnetworks.com
>
> On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 12:52 AM, Adam Kennedy <adamkenn...@watchcomm.net>
> wrote:
>
> > I picked up two of the AT "Beam" USB devices that use the LTE network.
> > Netgear is the listed manufacturer and has firmware for the units that
> > makes them usable on Linux. I loaded the driver for those into a
> > Debian box and I'm able to use smstools open source software to send
> > SMS from the unit directly to cell network. The AT Beam's were $20 I
> > think and cost us about $15/mo as additional lines on our corporate plan.
> >
> >
> > Adam Kennedy | Network & Systems Engineer
> >
> > Broadband Networks
> >
> > A Watch Communications Company
> >
> > PO Box 8 | Rushville, Indiana | 46173
> >
> > Tel - 866-586-1518 | Fax - 866-567-3897
> >
> > adamkenn...@broadbandnetworks.com
> >
> > www.broadbandnetworks.com
> >
> > On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 11:38 PM, <frnk...@iname.com> wrote:
> >
> >> I plan to continue living in a rural area with a GSM provider that
> >> will support 2G. =)
> >>
> >> Frank
> >>
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: John Levine [mailto:jo...@iecc.com]
> >> Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2016 5:24 PM
> >> To: nanog@nanog.org
> >> Cc: frnk...@iname.com
> >> Subject: Re: SMS gateways
> >>
> >> In article <006501d14b31$7c478e40$74d6aac0$@iname.com> you write:
> >> >Surprised no one has mentioned the Multimodem iSMS:
> >> http://www.multitech.com/brands/multimodem-isms
> >> >
> >> >Been using it for 5+ years -- first three years the code wasn't
> >> >stable,
> >> needing a reboot every few months,
> >> >but the latest code has been stable for 2+ years.
> >>
> >> It looked interesting until I got to the part where it says it uses a
> >> 2G GSM modem.  AT has said quite firmly that they will turn off
> >> their 2G network in 2017, and press reports say that T-Mobile is
> >> already turning off 2G in favor of LTE.
> >>
> >> What do you plan to do instead next year?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
>

Re: SMS gateways

[Adam Kennedy]

I picked up two of the AT "Beam" USB devices that use the LTE network.
Netgear is the listed manufacturer and has firmware for the units that
makes them usable on Linux. I loaded the driver for those into a Debian box
and I'm able to use smstools open source software to send SMS from the unit
directly to cell network. The AT Beam's were $20 I think and cost us
about $15/mo as additional lines on our corporate plan.


Adam Kennedy | Network & Systems Engineer

Broadband Networks

A Watch Communications Company

PO Box 8 | Rushville, Indiana | 46173

Tel - 866-586-1518 | Fax - 866-567-3897

adamkenn...@broadbandnetworks.com

www.broadbandnetworks.com

On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 12:52 AM, Adam Kennedy <adamkenn...@watchcomm.net>
wrote:

> I picked up two of the AT "Beam" USB devices that use the LTE network.
> Netgear is the listed manufacturer and has firmware for the units that
> makes them usable on Linux. I loaded the driver for those into a Debian box
> and I'm able to use smstools open source software to send SMS from the unit
> directly to cell network. The AT Beam's were $20 I think and cost us
> about $15/mo as additional lines on our corporate plan.
>
>
> Adam Kennedy | Network & Systems Engineer
>
> Broadband Networks
>
> A Watch Communications Company
>
> PO Box 8 | Rushville, Indiana | 46173
>
> Tel - 866-586-1518 | Fax - 866-567-3897
>
> adamkenn...@broadbandnetworks.com
>
> www.broadbandnetworks.com
>
> On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 11:38 PM, <frnk...@iname.com> wrote:
>
>> I plan to continue living in a rural area with a GSM provider that will
>> support 2G. =)
>>
>> Frank
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: John Levine [mailto:jo...@iecc.com]
>> Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2016 5:24 PM
>> To: nanog@nanog.org
>> Cc: frnk...@iname.com
>> Subject: Re: SMS gateways
>>
>> In article <006501d14b31$7c478e40$74d6aac0$@iname.com> you write:
>> >Surprised no one has mentioned the Multimodem iSMS:
>> http://www.multitech.com/brands/multimodem-isms
>> >
>> >Been using it for 5+ years -- first three years the code wasn't stable,
>> needing a reboot every few months,
>> >but the latest code has been stable for 2+ years.
>>
>> It looked interesting until I got to the part where it says it uses a
>> 2G GSM modem.  AT has said quite firmly that they will turn off
>> their 2G network in 2017, and press reports say that T-Mobile is
>> already turning off 2G in favor of LTE.
>>
>> What do you plan to do instead next year?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>

RE: SMS gateways

[Ray Orsini]

We use those a lot with mobile hotspots. Where did you find them for $20? We
usually pay about 2x that much for used untis.

Regards,
Ray Orsini – CEO
Orsini IT, LLC – Technology Consultants
VOICE DATA  BANDWIDTH  SECURITY  SUPPORT
P: 305.967.6756 x1009   E: r...@orsiniit.com   TF: 844.OIT.VOIP
7900 NW 155th Street, Suite 103, Miami Lakes, FL 33016
http://www.orsiniit.com | View My Calendar | View/Pay Your Invoices | View
Your Tickets



-Original Message-
From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Adam Kennedy
Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2016 12:56 AM
To: frnk...@iname.com
Cc: John Levine <jo...@iecc.com>; nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Re: SMS gateways

I picked up two of the AT "Beam" USB devices that use the LTE network.
Netgear is the listed manufacturer and has firmware for the units that makes
them usable on Linux. I loaded the driver for those into a Debian box and
I'm able to use smstools open source software to send SMS from the unit
directly to cell network. The AT Beam's were $20 I think and cost us about
$15/mo as additional lines on our corporate plan.


Adam Kennedy | Network & Systems Engineer

Broadband Networks

A Watch Communications Company

PO Box 8 | Rushville, Indiana | 46173

Tel - 866-586-1518 | Fax - 866-567-3897

adamkenn...@broadbandnetworks.com

www.broadbandnetworks.com

On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 12:52 AM, Adam Kennedy <adamkenn...@watchcomm.net>
wrote:

> I picked up two of the AT "Beam" USB devices that use the LTE network.
> Netgear is the listed manufacturer and has firmware for the units that
> makes them usable on Linux. I loaded the driver for those into a
> Debian box and I'm able to use smstools open source software to send
> SMS from the unit directly to cell network. The AT Beam's were $20 I
> think and cost us about $15/mo as additional lines on our corporate plan.
>
>
> Adam Kennedy | Network & Systems Engineer
>
> Broadband Networks
>
> A Watch Communications Company
>
> PO Box 8 | Rushville, Indiana | 46173
>
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>
> adamkenn...@broadbandnetworks.com
>
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>
> On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 11:38 PM, <frnk...@iname.com> wrote:
>
>> I plan to continue living in a rural area with a GSM provider that
>> will support 2G. =)
>>
>> Frank
>>
>> -Original Message-----
>> From: John Levine [mailto:jo...@iecc.com]
>> Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2016 5:24 PM
>> To: nanog@nanog.org
>> Cc: frnk...@iname.com
>> Subject: Re: SMS gateways
>>
>> In article <006501d14b31$7c478e40$74d6aac0$@iname.com> you write:
>> >Surprised no one has mentioned the Multimodem iSMS:
>> http://www.multitech.com/brands/multimodem-isms
>> >
>> >Been using it for 5+ years -- first three years the code wasn't
>> >stable,
>> needing a reboot every few months,
>> >but the latest code has been stable for 2+ years.
>>
>> It looked interesting until I got to the part where it says it uses a
>> 2G GSM modem.  AT has said quite firmly that they will turn off
>> their 2G network in 2017, and press reports say that T-Mobile is
>> already turning off 2G in favor of LTE.
>>
>> What do you plan to do instead next year?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>

Re: SMS gateways

[Bjørn Mork]

Adam Kennedy  writes:

> I picked up two of the AT "Beam" USB devices that use the LTE network.
> Netgear is the listed manufacturer and has firmware for the units that
> makes them usable on Linux. I loaded the driver for those into a Debian box
> and I'm able to use smstools open source software to send SMS from the unit
> directly to cell network. The AT Beam's were $20 I think and cost us
> about $15/mo as additional lines on our corporate plan.

Note that messaging in LTE networks tend to use IP, just like voice in
LTE networks.  It seems a little awkward having to use an LTE device
just to set up a dedicated IP VPN for SMS delivery if you have any other
fixed IP access at the site...

But I guess hiding all the nasty IMS implementation details in the LTE
module firmware, controlling it by standard GSM AT commands, has some
benefit here.  At least the firmware source code is unavailable so you
don't see how hideous it is :)


Bjørn

RE: SMS gateways

[frnkblk]

I plan to continue living in a rural area with a GSM provider that will support 
2G. =)

Frank

-Original Message-
From: John Levine [mailto:jo...@iecc.com] 
Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2016 5:24 PM
To: nanog@nanog.org
Cc: frnk...@iname.com
Subject: Re: SMS gateways

In article <006501d14b31$7c478e40$74d6aac0$@iname.com> you write:
>Surprised no one has mentioned the Multimodem iSMS: 
>http://www.multitech.com/brands/multimodem-isms
>
>Been using it for 5+ years -- first three years the code wasn't stable, 
>needing a reboot every few months,
>but the latest code has been stable for 2+ years.

It looked interesting until I got to the part where it says it uses a
2G GSM modem.  AT has said quite firmly that they will turn off
their 2G network in 2017, and press reports say that T-Mobile is
already turning off 2G in favor of LTE.

What do you plan to do instead next year?

RE: SMS gateways

[Frank Bulk]

Surprised no one has mentioned the Multimodem iSMS: 
http://www.multitech.com/brands/multimodem-isms

Been using it for 5+ years -- first three years the code wasn't stable, needing 
a reboot every few months, but the latest code has been stable for 2+ years.

Frank

-Original Message-
From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of David Hubbard
Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2016 1:36 PM
To: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: SMS gateways

Hey all, was curious if anyone has opinions on the FoxBox vs SMS Eagle boxes 
for sending SMS alerts directly to the cell network?

http://www.smsfoxbox.it/en/foxbox-iq.html/
http://www.smseagle.eu/store/en/devices/1-sms-eagle.html

Any alternative options would be appreciated too.  I saw Microcom’s iSMS modem 
mentioned in the list archives but it’s only 2G so likely won’t be viable much 
longer.

The other question, given the fact that they’re both GSM-based, is whether or 
not you know if AT or T-Mobile have cheap ‘machine’ plans for use by these 
types of devices.  We have all of our OpenGear out of band console servers on 
Verizon and they have these special ‘machine’ plans for $10/mo with very 
limited bandwidth, so that has allowed us to deploy a bunch of them without 
worrying about a huge phone bill.

Thanks,

David

Re: SMS gateways

[John Levine]

In article <006501d14b31$7c478e40$74d6aac0$@iname.com> you write:
>Surprised no one has mentioned the Multimodem iSMS: 
>http://www.multitech.com/brands/multimodem-isms
>
>Been using it for 5+ years -- first three years the code wasn't stable, 
>needing a reboot every few months,
>but the latest code has been stable for 2+ years.

It looked interesting until I got to the part where it says it uses a
2G GSM modem.  AT has said quite firmly that they will turn off
their 2G network in 2017, and press reports say that T-Mobile is
already turning off 2G in favor of LTE.

What do you plan to do instead next year?

Re: SMS gateways

[Jared Mauch]

On Sat, Jan 09, 2016 at 11:23:59PM -, John Levine wrote:
> In article <006501d14b31$7c478e40$74d6aac0$@iname.com> you write:
> >Surprised no one has mentioned the Multimodem iSMS: 
> >http://www.multitech.com/brands/multimodem-isms
> >
> >Been using it for 5+ years -- first three years the code wasn't stable, 
> >needing a reboot every few months,
> >but the latest code has been stable for 2+ years.
> 
> It looked interesting until I got to the part where it says it uses a
> 2G GSM modem.  AT has said quite firmly that they will turn off
> their 2G network in 2017, and press reports say that T-Mobile is
> already turning off 2G in favor of LTE.
> 
> What do you plan to do instead next year?

I last purchased a USB "3G modem" for around $12 including shipping
which supports SMS.  it doesn't need to use the 3G part for data though, just
for the control channel.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Unlocked-ZTE-MF110-3G-850-1900-2100-Mhz-GSM-USB-Mobile-Broadband-Modem-/121822901176

There are cheaper ones to be had, but this isn't exactly something
that is a budget breaker.  Get a good provider and life will be just
fine for you.  I have a T-Mobile SIM in mine and they don't charge for
most international texts like other carriers so makes a perfect SMS
device.  (Looks like HSPA+ LTE ones can be had around $40 without putting
much effort into it).

The biggsest problem I had was setting the AT command to make it
default to the right mode vs using usbmodeswitch in Linux, but mostly because
this was the first device I used like this in over a decade myself.

- Jared

-- 
Jared Mauch  | pgp key available via finger from ja...@puck.nether.net
clue++;  | http://puck.nether.net/~jared/  My statements are only mine.

Re: SMS gateways

[Alex Buie]

Based on a cursory pass of the FB website I can't find any of their
products that have a CDMA modem - so they're definitely incorrect in that
sense. Voice, text, 2G and 3G data are all CDMA on Verizon, unless you're
doing something with SMS over IMS which is only supported with LTE capable
hardware on the Verizon side.

On Thu, Jan 7, 2016 at 4:40 PM, David Hubbard  wrote:

> Scott, I was interested in that as well, it was in my original post.  I’m
> considering that and the SMSEagle; both are from Europe.  I can’t find too
> much on them from a real world war stories perspective, but there has been
> mention of the FoxBox on nanog in years past, so there are some users out
> there.
>
> I am not going the Microtik+cell modem route that Faisal mentioned in his
> reply post because the intent is to tie the SMS alerting into other systems
> using some form of API, and both FoxBox and SMSEagle make that incredibly
> easy by having a simple http interface for sending texts, or a full API if
> you need to do two way.  The nagios plugin (and Zabbix too) are super
> simple since it’s just HTTP POST to send the alerts.
>
> FoxBox claims it will work on Verizon networks because of the 3G support,
> but that doesn’t leave me with a comfortable feeling, so if we buy in, we’d
> probably get accounts from a GSM carrier for it, although I can’t find
> whether or not AT, etc. offer machine accounts, and I would not want to
> pay $50/mo per device just to send random texts.
>
> I did get an off list reply from someone who let me know that our existing
> OpenGear devices (cell+ethernet console servers that run linux) have the
> ability to send SMS using a utility already present in the OS install.
> Since we already have those in every location we’d also be putting an SMS
> gateway, I’m going to investigate if we could put a cgi script or something
> similar on them to accomplish the same goal with no additional equipment.
>
> David
>
>
>
>
> On 1/7/16, 3:34 PM, "NANOG on behalf of Scott Fisher" <
> nanog-boun...@nanog.org on behalf of littlefish...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >Does anyone having experience getting this to work on US networks?
> >
> >http://www.smsfoxbox.it/en/foxbox-lx800-gateway-100.html/
> >
> >I am interested on getting this working with our Nagios notifications.
> >
> >On Wed, Jan 6, 2016 at 9:40 PM, John Levine  wrote:
> >>>Thanks for those pointers. The "mega bill" problem is one I have to
> avoid. We used to use ISDN as backup to T1 circuits,
> >>>but had to abandon that after some wayward fail-overs resulted in $5000
> phone bills. I'll check the plan overage terms
> >>>carefully!
> >>
> >> Sounds like an excellent application for a $10/mo prepaid plan on
> >> something like Tracfone.  If disaster strikes and you need a lot of
> >> data one month, you can add extra credit directly from the phone.
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >--
> >Scott
>

Re: SMS gateways

[Scott Fisher]

Does anyone having experience getting this to work on US networks?

http://www.smsfoxbox.it/en/foxbox-lx800-gateway-100.html/

I am interested on getting this working with our Nagios notifications.

On Wed, Jan 6, 2016 at 9:40 PM, John Levine  wrote:
>>Thanks for those pointers. The "mega bill" problem is one I have to avoid. We 
>>used to use ISDN as backup to T1 circuits,
>>but had to abandon that after some wayward fail-overs resulted in $5000 phone 
>>bills. I'll check the plan overage terms
>>carefully!
>
> Sounds like an excellent application for a $10/mo prepaid plan on
> something like Tracfone.  If disaster strikes and you need a lot of
> data one month, you can add extra credit directly from the phone.
>



-- 
Scott

Re: SMS gateways

[Scott Fisher]

I am well aware of email-to-sms, but that is dependant on
links/infrastructure that you are monitoring. (Think of it like having your
Nagios system running on the same hypervisor as your other production gear.
What happens if the hypervisor drops? How would you know?)

The hardware sms gateway allows for true oob notifications.

On Thursday, January 7, 2016, Faisal Imtiaz <fai...@snappytelecom.net>
wrote:

> There are multiple ways to skin this cat !.
>
> No, not familiar with this product...
>
> However..
>
> 1) You know that you can send sms messages via email to pretty much any
> cell phone.
>
> 2) Personal Preference, if I was doing so, I would do it with a small
> mikrotik router + usb cell modem, very inexpensive, especially when
> combined with a M2M plan.
>
> Regards.
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>
> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
>
> - Original Message -
> > From: "Scott Fisher" <littlefish...@gmail.com <javascript:;>>
> > To: "John Levine" <jo...@iecc.com <javascript:;>>
> > Cc: "nanog list" <nanog@nanog.org <javascript:;>>
> > Sent: Thursday, January 7, 2016 3:34:42 PM
> > Subject: Re: SMS gateways
>
> > Does anyone having experience getting this to work on US networks?
> >
> > http://www.smsfoxbox.it/en/foxbox-lx800-gateway-100.html/
> >
> > I am interested on getting this working with our Nagios notifications.
> >
> > On Wed, Jan 6, 2016 at 9:40 PM, John Levine <jo...@iecc.com
> <javascript:;>> wrote:
> >>>Thanks for those pointers. The "mega bill" problem is one I have to
> avoid. We
> >>>used to use ISDN as backup to T1 circuits,
> >>>but had to abandon that after some wayward fail-overs resulted in $5000
> phone
> >>>bills. I'll check the plan overage terms
> >>>carefully!
> >>
> >> Sounds like an excellent application for a $10/mo prepaid plan on
> >> something like Tracfone.  If disaster strikes and you need a lot of
> >> data one month, you can add extra credit directly from the phone.
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Scott
>


-- 
Scott

Re: SMS gateways

[Faisal Imtiaz]

There are multiple ways to skin this cat !.

No, not familiar with this product... 

However..

1) You know that you can send sms messages via email to pretty much any cell 
phone.

2) Personal Preference, if I was doing so, I would do it with a small mikrotik 
router + usb cell modem, very inexpensive, especially when combined with a M2M 
plan.

Regards.

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

- Original Message -
> From: "Scott Fisher" <littlefish...@gmail.com>
> To: "John Levine" <jo...@iecc.com>
> Cc: "nanog list" <nanog@nanog.org>
> Sent: Thursday, January 7, 2016 3:34:42 PM
> Subject: Re: SMS gateways

> Does anyone having experience getting this to work on US networks?
> 
> http://www.smsfoxbox.it/en/foxbox-lx800-gateway-100.html/
> 
> I am interested on getting this working with our Nagios notifications.
> 
> On Wed, Jan 6, 2016 at 9:40 PM, John Levine <jo...@iecc.com> wrote:
>>>Thanks for those pointers. The "mega bill" problem is one I have to avoid. We
>>>used to use ISDN as backup to T1 circuits,
>>>but had to abandon that after some wayward fail-overs resulted in $5000 phone
>>>bills. I'll check the plan overage terms
>>>carefully!
>>
>> Sounds like an excellent application for a $10/mo prepaid plan on
>> something like Tracfone.  If disaster strikes and you need a lot of
>> data one month, you can add extra credit directly from the phone.
>>
> 
> 
> 
> --
> Scott

Re: SMS gateways

[Scott Fisher]

I emailed smsfoxbox support asking about US network support. I am
hoping to hear back soon and I will let you all know the answer.

Thanks,
Scott

On Thu, Jan 7, 2016 at 4:40 PM, David Hubbard
 wrote:
> Scott, I was interested in that as well, it was in my original post.  I’m 
> considering that and the SMSEagle; both are from Europe.  I can’t find too 
> much on them from a real world war stories perspective, but there has been 
> mention of the FoxBox on nanog in years past, so there are some users out 
> there.
>
> I am not going the Microtik+cell modem route that Faisal mentioned in his 
> reply post because the intent is to tie the SMS alerting into other systems 
> using some form of API, and both FoxBox and SMSEagle make that incredibly 
> easy by having a simple http interface for sending texts, or a full API if 
> you need to do two way.  The nagios plugin (and Zabbix too) are super simple 
> since it’s just HTTP POST to send the alerts.
>
> FoxBox claims it will work on Verizon networks because of the 3G support, but 
> that doesn’t leave me with a comfortable feeling, so if we buy in, we’d 
> probably get accounts from a GSM carrier for it, although I can’t find 
> whether or not AT, etc. offer machine accounts, and I would not want to pay 
> $50/mo per device just to send random texts.
>
> I did get an off list reply from someone who let me know that our existing 
> OpenGear devices (cell+ethernet console servers that run linux) have the 
> ability to send SMS using a utility already present in the OS install.  Since 
> we already have those in every location we’d also be putting an SMS gateway, 
> I’m going to investigate if we could put a cgi script or something similar on 
> them to accomplish the same goal with no additional equipment.
>
> David
>
>
>
>
> On 1/7/16, 3:34 PM, "NANOG on behalf of Scott Fisher" 
>  wrote:
>
>>Does anyone having experience getting this to work on US networks?
>>
>>http://www.smsfoxbox.it/en/foxbox-lx800-gateway-100.html/
>>
>>I am interested on getting this working with our Nagios notifications.
>>
>>On Wed, Jan 6, 2016 at 9:40 PM, John Levine  wrote:
Thanks for those pointers. The "mega bill" problem is one I have to avoid. 
We used to use ISDN as backup to T1 circuits,
but had to abandon that after some wayward fail-overs resulted in $5000 
phone bills. I'll check the plan overage terms
carefully!
>>>
>>> Sounds like an excellent application for a $10/mo prepaid plan on
>>> something like Tracfone.  If disaster strikes and you need a lot of
>>> data one month, you can add extra credit directly from the phone.
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>--
>>Scott



-- 
Scott

Re: SMS gateways

[Faisal Imtiaz]

Yep, agreed in certain situations a hardware gateway is more useful. 

That is what I listed as item #1. A small Mikrotik Router + USB Cell Stick of 
your choice. 
make for a very inexpensive, flexible gateway. 

http://mum.mikrotik.com/presentations/CO10/day1/03-arnis_3g.pdf 
(quiet a few options for different form-factors) 

http://mum.mikrotik.com/presentations/US11/us11-brian.pdf 

Regards 

:) 

Faisal Imtiaz 
Snappy Internet & Telecom 
7266 SW 48 Street 
Miami, FL 33155 
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 

> From: "Scott Fisher" <littlefish...@gmail.com>
> To: "Faisal Imtiaz" <fai...@snappytelecom.net>
> Cc: "John Levine" <jo...@iecc.com>, "nanog list" <nanog@nanog.org>
> Sent: Thursday, January 7, 2016 3:55:07 PM
> Subject: Re: SMS gateways

> I am well aware of email-to-sms, but that is dependant on links/infrastructure
> that you are monitoring. (Think of it like having your Nagios system running 
> on
> the same hypervisor as your other production gear. What happens if the
> hypervisor drops? How would you know? )
> The hardware sms gateway allows for true oob notifications.

> On Thursday, January 7, 2016, Faisal Imtiaz < fai...@snappytelecom.net > 
> wrote:

>> There are multiple ways to skin this cat !.

>> No, not familiar with this product...

>> However..

>> 1) You know that you can send sms messages via email to pretty much any cell
>> phone.

>> 2) Personal Preference, if I was doing so, I would do it with a small 
>> mikrotik
>> router + usb cell modem, very inexpensive, especially when combined with a 
>> M2M
>> plan.

>> Regards.

>> Faisal Imtiaz
>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>> 7266 SW 48 Street
>> Miami, FL 33155
>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

>> - Original Message -
>> > From: "Scott Fisher" < littlefish...@gmail.com >
>> > To: "John Levine" < jo...@iecc.com >
>> > Cc: "nanog list" < nanog@nanog.org >
>> > Sent: Thursday, January 7, 2016 3:34:42 PM
>> > Subject: Re: SMS gateways

>> > Does anyone having experience getting this to work on US networks?

>> > http://www.smsfoxbox.it/en/foxbox-lx800-gateway-100.html/

>> > I am interested on getting this working with our Nagios notifications.

>> > On Wed, Jan 6, 2016 at 9:40 PM, John Levine < jo...@iecc.com > wrote:
>> >>>Thanks for those pointers. The "mega bill" problem is one I have to 
>> >>>avoid. We
>> >>>used to use ISDN as backup to T1 circuits,
>> >>>but had to abandon that after some wayward fail-overs resulted in $5000 
>> >>>phone
>> >>>bills. I'll check the plan overage terms
>> >>>carefully!

>> >> Sounds like an excellent application for a $10/mo prepaid plan on
>> >> something like Tracfone. If disaster strikes and you need a lot of
>> >> data one month, you can add extra credit directly from the phone.




>> > --
>> > Scott

> --
> Scott

Re: SMS gateways

[David Hubbard]

Scott, I was interested in that as well, it was in my original post.  I’m 
considering that and the SMSEagle; both are from Europe.  I can’t find too much 
on them from a real world war stories perspective, but there has been mention 
of the FoxBox on nanog in years past, so there are some users out there.

I am not going the Microtik+cell modem route that Faisal mentioned in his reply 
post because the intent is to tie the SMS alerting into other systems using 
some form of API, and both FoxBox and SMSEagle make that incredibly easy by 
having a simple http interface for sending texts, or a full API if you need to 
do two way.  The nagios plugin (and Zabbix too) are super simple since it’s 
just HTTP POST to send the alerts.

FoxBox claims it will work on Verizon networks because of the 3G support, but 
that doesn’t leave me with a comfortable feeling, so if we buy in, we’d 
probably get accounts from a GSM carrier for it, although I can’t find whether 
or not AT, etc. offer machine accounts, and I would not want to pay $50/mo 
per device just to send random texts.

I did get an off list reply from someone who let me know that our existing 
OpenGear devices (cell+ethernet console servers that run linux) have the 
ability to send SMS using a utility already present in the OS install.  Since 
we already have those in every location we’d also be putting an SMS gateway, 
I’m going to investigate if we could put a cgi script or something similar on 
them to accomplish the same goal with no additional equipment.

David




On 1/7/16, 3:34 PM, "NANOG on behalf of Scott Fisher"  wrote:

>Does anyone having experience getting this to work on US networks?
>
>http://www.smsfoxbox.it/en/foxbox-lx800-gateway-100.html/
>
>I am interested on getting this working with our Nagios notifications.
>
>On Wed, Jan 6, 2016 at 9:40 PM, John Levine  wrote:
>>>Thanks for those pointers. The "mega bill" problem is one I have to avoid. 
>>>We used to use ISDN as backup to T1 circuits,
>>>but had to abandon that after some wayward fail-overs resulted in $5000 
>>>phone bills. I'll check the plan overage terms
>>>carefully!
>>
>> Sounds like an excellent application for a $10/mo prepaid plan on
>> something like Tracfone.  If disaster strikes and you need a lot of
>> data one month, you can add extra credit directly from the phone.
>>
>
>
>
>-- 
>Scott

Re: SMS gateways

[Miles Fidelman]

There are also services that do it for you.  In my day job (Transit 
related software), we use textmarks.com to provide interactive transit 
information ("where's my bus" kinds of things) via interactive SMS.  Not 
particularly expensive.



On 1/6/16 2:36 PM, David Hubbard wrote:

Hey all, was curious if anyone has opinions on the FoxBox vs SMS Eagle boxes 
for sending SMS alerts directly to the cell network?

http://www.smsfoxbox.it/en/foxbox-iq.html/
http://www.smseagle.eu/store/en/devices/1-sms-eagle.html

Any alternative options would be appreciated too.  I saw Microcom’s iSMS modem 
mentioned in the list archives but it’s only 2G so likely won’t be viable much 
longer.

The other question, given the fact that they’re both GSM-based, is whether or not 
you know if AT or T-Mobile have cheap ‘machine’ plans for use by these types 
of devices.  We have all of our OpenGear out of band console servers on Verizon and 
they have these special ‘machine’ plans for $10/mo with very limited bandwidth, so 
that has allowed us to deploy a bunch of them without worrying about a huge phone 
bill.

Thanks,

David



--
In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice.
In practice, there is.   Yogi Berra

Re: SMS gateways

[Mel Beckman]

The problem with Internet-based services is that they depend on the very thing 
most of us are trying to monitor. For reliable SMS you need out-of-band text 
transmission at least, and ideally out-of-band TCP/IP data. So far cellular 
modems provide lots of options for the latter, but I've seen few 
universally-available choices for the former. I plan to check out the Verizon 
options mentioned here -- the last time I tried to talk to our business exec, 
they claimed there were no cheap options.

 -mel


From: NANOG <nanog-boun...@nanog.org> on behalf of Miles Fidelman 
<mfidel...@meetinghouse.net>
Sent: Wednesday, January 6, 2016 1:57 PM
To: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Re: SMS gateways

There are also services that do it for you.  In my day job (Transit
related software), we use textmarks.com to provide interactive transit
information ("where's my bus" kinds of things) via interactive SMS.  Not
particularly expensive.


On 1/6/16 2:36 PM, David Hubbard wrote:
> Hey all, was curious if anyone has opinions on the FoxBox vs SMS Eagle boxes 
> for sending SMS alerts directly to the cell network?
>
> http://www.smsfoxbox.it/en/foxbox-iq.html/
> http://www.smseagle.eu/store/en/devices/1-sms-eagle.html
>
> Any alternative options would be appreciated too.  I saw Microcom’s iSMS 
> modem mentioned in the list archives but it’s only 2G so likely won’t be 
> viable much longer.
>
> The other question, given the fact that they’re both GSM-based, is whether or 
> not you know if AT or T-Mobile have cheap ‘machine’ plans for use by these 
> types of devices.  We have all of our OpenGear out of band console servers on 
> Verizon and they have these special ‘machine’ plans for $10/mo with very 
> limited bandwidth, so that has allowed us to deploy a bunch of them without 
> worrying about a huge phone bill.
>
> Thanks,
>
> David
>

--
In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice.
In practice, there is.   Yogi Berra

Re: SMS gateways

[David Hubbard]

The specific phrase you’ll want to use with your VZ rep is a “machine to 
machine” plan.  It’s the same type of plans alarm companies purchase for 
cell-backups.  They have plans with data allowances as low as 1 MB/month for a 
few dollars, but you get destroyed if you go over the plan because the data 
rates are very high.  If you just use them for emergency OOB ssh over cell 
they’re great and economical.

David




On 1/6/16, 5:14 PM, "NANOG on behalf of Mel Beckman"  wrote:

>The problem with Internet-based services is that they depend on the very thing 
>most of us are trying to monitor. For reliable SMS you need out-of-band text 
>transmission at least, and ideally out-of-band TCP/IP data. So far cellular 
>modems provide lots of options for the latter, but I've seen few 
>universally-available choices for the former. I plan to check out the Verizon 
>options mentioned here -- the last time I tried to talk to our business exec, 
>they claimed there were no cheap options.
>
> -mel

Re: SMS gateways

[Mel Beckman]

David,

Thanks for those pointers. The "mega bill" problem is one I have to avoid. We 
used to use ISDN as backup to T1 circuits, but had to abandon that after some 
wayward fail-overs resulted in $5000 phone bills. I'll check the plan overage 
terms carefully!

 -mel



From: David Hubbard <dhubb...@dino.hostasaurus.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 6, 2016 2:37 PM
To: Mel Beckman; nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Re: SMS gateways

The specific phrase you’ll want to use with your VZ rep is a “machine to 
machine” plan.  It’s the same type of plans alarm companies purchase for 
cell-backups.  They have plans with data allowances as low as 1 MB/month for a 
few dollars, but you get destroyed if you go over the plan because the data 
rates are very high.  If you just use them for emergency OOB ssh over cell 
they’re great and economical.

David




On 1/6/16, 5:14 PM, "NANOG on behalf of Mel Beckman" <nanog-boun...@nanog.org 
on behalf of m...@beckman.org> wrote:

>The problem with Internet-based services is that they depend on the very thing 
>most of us are trying to monitor. For reliable SMS you need out-of-band text 
>transmission at least, and ideally out-of-band TCP/IP data. So far cellular 
>modems provide lots of options for the latter, but I've seen few 
>universally-available choices for the former. I plan to check out the Verizon 
>options mentioned here -- the last time I tried to talk to our business exec, 
>they claimed there were no cheap options.
>
> -mel

Re: SMS gateways

[John Levine]

>Thanks for those pointers. The "mega bill" problem is one I have to avoid. We 
>used to use ISDN as backup to T1 circuits,
>but had to abandon that after some wayward fail-overs resulted in $5000 phone 
>bills. I'll check the plan overage terms
>carefully!

Sounds like an excellent application for a $10/mo prepaid plan on
something like Tracfone.  If disaster strikes and you need a lot of
data one month, you can add extra credit directly from the phone.

Re: SMS gateways

[cmaurand]

On 2016-01-06 16:28, John Levine wrote:
The other question, given the fact that they’re both GSM-based, is 
whether or not you know if AT or T-Mobile have cheap ‘machine’ plans 
for use by these types of devices.


AT and T-Mo both have cheap MVNOs (resellers.)  Airvoice Wireless 
resells AT
and has a $10/mo plan, texts charged at 2c each with any extra rolling 
over to

the next month.

Tracfone has a variety of AT bring your own device plans, of which
one of the the cheapest is $18 every 90 days, including 180 texts, any 
extra

rolls over.  If you need more than that, you can top up 1000 texts for
$10 at any time.

These are both SIM-only plans, put the SIM in whatever device you want.

R's,
John


There's lots of providers out there complete with api's.  I found one in 
Canada with 1 cent per each sms to US and Canada and 3 cents each 
anywhere else.  If you want a dedicated long code, that'll cost you 
$25.00 per month.


Cheers,
Curtis

Re: SMS gateways

[John Levine]

>The other question, given the fact that they’re both GSM-based, is whether or 
>not you know if AT or T-Mobile have cheap ‘machine’ plans for use by these 
>types of devices.

AT and T-Mo both have cheap MVNOs (resellers.)  Airvoice Wireless resells AT
and has a $10/mo plan, texts charged at 2c each with any extra rolling over to
the next month.

Tracfone has a variety of AT bring your own device plans, of which
one of the the cheapest is $18 every 90 days, including 180 texts, any extra
rolls over.  If you need more than that, you can top up 1000 texts for
$10 at any time.

These are both SIM-only plans, put the SIM in whatever device you want.

R's,
John

RE: SMS Gateway

[frnkblk]

With earlier releases I did see our unit "lock up", in the sense they
wouldn't send messages.  A reboot resolved those issues.  The last two or
three releases from Multitech for iSMS have been solid, none of those issues
anymore.

Frank

-Original Message-
From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Nick Nauwelaerts
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2015 3:10 AM
To: Graham Johnston <johnst...@westmancom.com>; 'nanog@nanog.org'
<nanog@nanog.org>
Subject: RE: SMS Gateway

The multitech multimodems I run seem to like rebooting an awful lot, they do
it at least daily.

At another position I did like the SMS FoxBox ( http://www.smsfoxbox.it/ ),
which had a simple http put command (amongst other interfaces) which allowed
you to send text messages. The do seem to have gone up in price a bit since
2008 however, but they did never fail on me over the 6years they were in
service (sample size was 2 units, so not the best indicator).

// nick



-Original Message-
From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Graham Johnston
Sent: Monday, September 14, 2015 16:54
To: 'nanog@nanog.org' <nanog@nanog.org>
Subject: SMS Gateway

Today we use a product from MultiTech Systems call MultiModem iSMS to send
SMS text messages from our monitoring system to our on call staff.  This is
a 2G product and we need to replace it soon. I know there are more generic
cellular modems that can do texting if you are willing to put in the effort,
the product we use currently though has a simple HTTP based API specifically
to send SMS. Is anybody out there using something similar that can work on
3G or 4G networks?





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RE: SMS Gateway

[Clayton Zekelman]

As a retro twist on that, we still use alpha pagers with 
TAP.   Basement level coverage on a single AA battery that lasts 3 months.


The nice thing about them is that you can turn your cellphone off at 
night (yes, I do that), and still know that important alerts will 
come through the pager.


At 01:36 PM 15/09/2015, Gary T. Giesen wrote:

Another option might be an analog modem + phone line + carrier TAP gateway
(if your carrier(s) has/have one). Might or might not be more
cost-effective.

GTG

> -Original Message-
> From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Martin
> Hotze
> Sent: September 15, 2015 8:37 AM
> To: nanog@nanog.org
> Subject: Re: SMS Gateway
>
> > From: Leonardo Arena <rna...@gmail.com>
> > To: Graham Johnston <johnst...@westmancom.com>
> > Cc: "'nanog@nanog.org'" <nanog@nanog.org>
> >
> > Il giorno lun, 14/09/2015 alle 14.53 +, Graham Johnston ha scritto:
> > > Today we use a product from MultiTech Systems call MultiModem iSMS
> > > to
> > send SMS text messages from our monitoring system to our on call staff.
> > This is a 2G product and we need to replace it soon. I know there are
> > more generic cellular modems that can do texting if you are willing to
> > put in the effort, the product we use currently though has a simple
> > HTTP based API specifically to send SMS. Is anybody out there using
> > something similar that can work on 3G or 4G networks?
> > >
> >
> > Here we use SMSTools (http://smstools3.kekekasvi.com/) on a Linux box
> > with a Multitech Serial/USB modem. It takes formatted text files from
> > a spooling directory. It never let us down since some years.
>
> +1 for smstools.
>
> and I'd add playsms.org
>
> grab yourself a compatible USB 3G stick which you can switch to a modem.
eg
> a HUAWEI E1762 should work. You might want to look into a device with an
> antenna plug so you can put the antenne out of your cabinet for better
> reception.
>
> martin


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fax. 519-985-8409

RE: SMS Gateway

[Nick Nauwelaerts]

The multitech multimodems I run seem to like rebooting an awful lot, they do it 
at least daily.

At another position I did like the SMS FoxBox ( http://www.smsfoxbox.it/ ), 
which had a simple http put command (amongst other interfaces) which allowed 
you to send text messages. The do seem to have gone up in price a bit since 
2008 however, but they did never fail on me over the 6years they were in 
service (sample size was 2 units, so not the best indicator).

// nick



-Original Message-
From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Graham Johnston
Sent: Monday, September 14, 2015 16:54
To: 'nanog@nanog.org' 
Subject: SMS Gateway

Today we use a product from MultiTech Systems call MultiModem iSMS to send SMS 
text messages from our monitoring system to our on call staff.  This is a 2G 
product and we need to replace it soon. I know there are more generic cellular 
modems that can do texting if you are willing to put in the effort, the product 
we use currently though has a simple HTTP based API specifically to send SMS. 
Is anybody out there using something similar that can work on 3G or 4G networks?





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RE: SMS Gateway

[Gary T. Giesen]

Another option might be an analog modem + phone line + carrier TAP gateway
(if your carrier(s) has/have one). Might or might not be more
cost-effective.

GTG

> -Original Message-
> From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Martin
> Hotze
> Sent: September 15, 2015 8:37 AM
> To: nanog@nanog.org
> Subject: Re: SMS Gateway
> 
> > From: Leonardo Arena <rna...@gmail.com>
> > To: Graham Johnston <johnst...@westmancom.com>
> > Cc: "'nanog@nanog.org'" <nanog@nanog.org>
> >
> > Il giorno lun, 14/09/2015 alle 14.53 +, Graham Johnston ha scritto:
> > > Today we use a product from MultiTech Systems call MultiModem iSMS
> > > to
> > send SMS text messages from our monitoring system to our on call staff.
> > This is a 2G product and we need to replace it soon. I know there are
> > more generic cellular modems that can do texting if you are willing to
> > put in the effort, the product we use currently though has a simple
> > HTTP based API specifically to send SMS. Is anybody out there using
> > something similar that can work on 3G or 4G networks?
> > >
> >
> > Here we use SMSTools (http://smstools3.kekekasvi.com/) on a Linux box
> > with a Multitech Serial/USB modem. It takes formatted text files from
> > a spooling directory. It never let us down since some years.
> 
> +1 for smstools.
> 
> and I'd add playsms.org
> 
> grab yourself a compatible USB 3G stick which you can switch to a modem.
eg
> a HUAWEI E1762 should work. You might want to look into a device with an
> antenna plug so you can put the antenne out of your cabinet for better
> reception.
> 
> martin

Re: SMS Gateway

[Martin Hotze]

> From: Leonardo Arena 
> To: Graham Johnston 
> Cc: "'nanog@nanog.org'" 
> 
> Il giorno lun, 14/09/2015 alle 14.53 +, Graham Johnston ha scritto:
> > Today we use a product from MultiTech Systems call MultiModem iSMS to
> send SMS text messages from our monitoring system to our on call staff.
> This is a 2G product and we need to replace it soon. I know there are more
> generic cellular modems that can do texting if you are willing to put in
> the effort, the product we use currently though has a simple HTTP based
> API specifically to send SMS. Is anybody out there using something similar
> that can work on 3G or 4G networks?
> >
> 
> Here we use SMSTools (http://smstools3.kekekasvi.com/) on a Linux box
> with a Multitech Serial/USB modem. It takes formatted text files from a
> spooling directory. It never let us down since some years.

+1 for smstools.

and I'd add playsms.org

grab yourself a compatible USB 3G stick which you can switch to a modem. eg a 
HUAWEI E1762 should work. You might want to look into a device with an antenna 
plug so you can put the antenne out of your cabinet for better reception.

martin

Re: SMS Gateway

[John Orthoefer]

Take a look at 

https://learn.adafruit.com/network-interface-failover-using-fona

If you want to see what Alan is talking about.  I’ve not used the Adafruit 
card, yet.  But it’s on my hacking list of to-do.  

johno



> On Sep 14, 2015, at 11:08 AM, a.l.m.bu...@lboro.ac.uk wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
>> Today we use a product from MultiTech Systems call MultiModem iSMS to send 
>> SMS text messages from our monitoring system to our on call staff.  This is 
>> a 2G product and we need to replace it soon. I know there are more generic 
>> cellular modems that can do texting if you are willing to put in the effort, 
>> the product we use currently though has a simple HTTP based API specifically 
>> to send SMS. Is anybody out there using something similar that can work on 
>> 3G or 4G networks?
> 
> we have a Linux box with a 3G device attached via serial port. some
> local scripts and a lookup table - sends SMS alerts for monitoring to
> the required people. very basic, very simple. RaspberryPI territory.
> 
> alan

Re: SMS Gateway

[Mel Beckman]

For most of us, the issue is that we don’t want to do this over the Internet, 
since that’s what we are monitoring :)

 -mel

> On Sep 14, 2015, at 9:06 AM, ITechGeek  wrote:
> 
> I know a bunch of people who just use email -> sms gateways (although I
> think all carriers have a disclaimer that messages aren't guaranteed).
> 
> Depending on your SMS costs, you could also outsource this to a service
> such as Twilio.
> 
> As Alan said, RaspberryPi should be able to handle this for under $100
> worth of equipment (including the Pi & Cell modem).
> 
> 
> 
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> On Mon, Sep 14, 2015 at 11:08 AM,  wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>>> Today we use a product from MultiTech Systems call MultiModem iSMS to
>> send SMS text messages from our monitoring system to our on call staff.
>> This is a 2G product and we need to replace it soon. I know there are more
>> generic cellular modems that can do texting if you are willing to put in
>> the effort, the product we use currently though has a simple HTTP based API
>> specifically to send SMS. Is anybody out there using something similar that
>> can work on 3G or 4G networks?
>> 
>> we have a Linux box with a 3G device attached via serial port. some
>> local scripts and a lookup table - sends SMS alerts for monitoring to
>> the required people. very basic, very simple. RaspberryPI territory.
>> 
>> alan
>> 

Re: SMS Gateway

[ITechGeek]

I know a bunch of people who just use email -> sms gateways (although I
think all carriers have a disclaimer that messages aren't guaranteed).

Depending on your SMS costs, you could also outsource this to a service
such as Twilio.

As Alan said, RaspberryPi should be able to handle this for under $100
worth of equipment (including the Pi & Cell modem).



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On Mon, Sep 14, 2015 at 11:08 AM,  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> > Today we use a product from MultiTech Systems call MultiModem iSMS to
> send SMS text messages from our monitoring system to our on call staff.
> This is a 2G product and we need to replace it soon. I know there are more
> generic cellular modems that can do texting if you are willing to put in
> the effort, the product we use currently though has a simple HTTP based API
> specifically to send SMS. Is anybody out there using something similar that
> can work on 3G or 4G networks?
>
> we have a Linux box with a 3G device attached via serial port. some
> local scripts and a lookup table - sends SMS alerts for monitoring to
> the required people. very basic, very simple. RaspberryPI territory.
>
> alan
>

Re: SMS Gateway

[A . L . M . Buxey]

Hi,

> Today we use a product from MultiTech Systems call MultiModem iSMS to send 
> SMS text messages from our monitoring system to our on call staff.  This is a 
> 2G product and we need to replace it soon. I know there are more generic 
> cellular modems that can do texting if you are willing to put in the effort, 
> the product we use currently though has a simple HTTP based API specifically 
> to send SMS. Is anybody out there using something similar that can work on 3G 
> or 4G networks?

we have a Linux box with a 3G device attached via serial port. some
local scripts and a lookup table - sends SMS alerts for monitoring to
the required people. very basic, very simple. RaspberryPI territory.

alan

Re: SMS Gateway

[Roland Dobbins]

On 14 Sep 2015, at 21:53, Graham Johnston wrote:


Today we use a product from MultiTech Systems


Wow, that brings back some memories - they made rock-solid datasets and 
modems and terminal concentrators, back in the day.


Good to know they're still around!

---
Roland Dobbins 

Re: SMS Gateway

[A . L . M . Buxey]

Hi,
> For most of us, the issue is that we don’t want to do this over the Internet, 
> since that’s what we are monitoring :)

exactly :-)

alan

Re: SMS Gateway

[Baldur Norddahl]

I dropped the SMS messages after I found the aNag Android app. Granted it
requires that people on call stay within areas with cell data or wifi
coverage, but I found that this is not a great problem around here.

The app approach gives a much richer experience. It will keep buzzing until
acknowledge, unlike a message that can be overheard. It even solves the
problem with using the internet for communication while monitoring the
internet - because if the monitoring server is unavailable that is an alarm
by itself.

Even though it polls once a minute, it does not ruin your dataplan. Last
month my aNag used 25 MB on mobile and 17 MB on wifi according to my
cellphone.

And best of all, it is really simple. No need to buy any hardware or put a
lot of effort into it. It is an app that monitors your existing monitoring
system directly.

Regards,

Baldur

Re: SMS Gateway

[Faisal Imtiaz]

If you don't mind integrating a solution (for greater flexibility)

Take a look at the Mikrotik router + Cellular Modem + M2M Plan.

e.g. 
http://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/Cellular_SIMcom_modems_01
http://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/Option_Globetrotter_HSDPA_USB_Modem
http://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/Manual:Tools/Sms
http://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/Monitoring_Network_thru_SMS_Alerts
https://aacable.wordpress.com/2012/11/22/howto-enable-mikrotik-to-sendreceive-sms-using-gsm-modem/

BTW. One of the folks who is a subject matter expert on Mikrotik + Cell Modem 
etc is Brian Vargas of Baltic Networks.

etc etc etc...

Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net

- Original Message -
> From: "Graham Johnston" 
> To: "nanog list" 
> Sent: Monday, September 14, 2015 10:53:58 AM
> Subject: SMS Gateway

> Today we use a product from MultiTech Systems call MultiModem iSMS to send SMS
> text messages from our monitoring system to our on call staff.  This is a 2G
> product and we need to replace it soon. I know there are more generic cellular
> modems that can do texting if you are willing to put in the effort, the 
> product
> we use currently though has a simple HTTP based API specifically to send SMS.
> Is anybody out there using something similar that can work on 3G or 4G
> networks?
> 
> Graham Johnston
> Network Planner
> Westman Communications Group
> 204.717.2829
> johnst...@westmancom.com
> P think green; don't print this email.

Re: SMS Gateway

[Leonardo Arena]

Il giorno lun, 14/09/2015 alle 14.53 +, Graham Johnston ha scritto:
> Today we use a product from MultiTech Systems call MultiModem iSMS to send 
> SMS text messages from our monitoring system to our on call staff.  This is a 
> 2G product and we need to replace it soon. I know there are more generic 
> cellular modems that can do texting if you are willing to put in the effort, 
> the product we use currently though has a simple HTTP based API specifically 
> to send SMS. Is anybody out there using something similar that can work on 3G 
> or 4G networks?
> 

Here we use SMSTools (http://smstools3.kekekasvi.com/) on a Linux box
with a Multitech Serial/USB modem. It takes formatted text files from a
spooling directory. It never let us down since some years.

HTH

- leo


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RE: SMS

[Aaron D. Osgood]

We have created a workaround to that issue with our package when used with
the MultiTech line of modems (ALL flavors - GSM and CDMA - USB, Serial, or
Ethernet)

Aaron D. Osgood

Streamline Solutions L.L.C

P.O. Box 6115
Falmouth, ME 04105 

TEL: 207-781-5561
FAX: 615-704-8067
MOBILE: 207-831-5829
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-Original Message-
From: Robert E. Seastrom [mailto:r...@seastrom.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 9:22 PM
To: William Herrin
Cc: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Re: SMS


William Herrin herrin-na...@dirtside.com writes:

 The Multitech Multimodem GPRS model MTCBA-G-EN-F4 has an ethernet
 port. Add a SIM card from your favorite wireless carrier and you can
 send and receive SMS messages via AT commands over a TCP socket.
 Problem is, it seizes up or otherwise founders every few weeks and has
 to be power cycled.

 Has anyone heard of other products with a good reliability record?

Sorry to be late to add to the hate, but the MacOSX drivers for the
USB flavor (MTCBA-G-U-F4) have issues.  Finally got it running on a
standalone Intel mini that we use just for text messages.  :-P

-r

Re: SMS

[Robert E. Seastrom]

William Herrin herrin-na...@dirtside.com writes:

 The Multitech Multimodem GPRS model MTCBA-G-EN-F4 has an ethernet
 port. Add a SIM card from your favorite wireless carrier and you can
 send and receive SMS messages via AT commands over a TCP socket.
 Problem is, it seizes up or otherwise founders every few weeks and has
 to be power cycled.

 Has anyone heard of other products with a good reliability record?

Sorry to be late to add to the hate, but the MacOSX drivers for the
USB flavor (MTCBA-G-U-F4) have issues.  Finally got it running on a
standalone Intel mini that we use just for text messages.  :-P

-r

Re: SMS

[John Todd]

On Sep 22, 2009, at 9:29 AM, William Herrin wrote:

On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 11:59 AM, Scott Berkman sc...@sberkman.net  
wrote:

[snip]

I believe there was another solution that involved direct carrier
connections, but these are most likely cost prohibitive in most  
situations.


Any pointers on this would be greatly appreciated. I have a need for
geographically redundant access to the same phone numbers in order to
send and receive SMS messages. Even if I have to buy a pair of T1s
that are 99.9% idle, it'd be worth it.

Regards,
Bill Herrin

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3005 Crane Dr. .. Web: http://bill.herrin.us/
Falls Church, VA 22042-3004



  This question frequently arises on the VoIP/Asterisk lists, since  
it is a question that VoIP service providers often wish to answer -  
How do I SMS-enable my VoIP customer numbers?


  In other areas of the world, SMS is much more easily tied into  
existing voice networks - in the UK (among others) for instance, SMS  
is possible over PRI connections, which enables land lines to send  
and receive SMS messages.  Clickatell, the company referenced  
previously, is based in South Africa.  Buying their service for  
delivery of SMS into North America means that your messages will be  
sent with a generic short-code, which is not guaranteed and has in  
the past even been blocked by carriers.  Users cannot reply to those  
messages, because many other companies are using the same short code  
return address.  If you look at their website, you'll see that if you  
live in one of a few non-NA nations, you can buy an actual phone  
number (not a short code) which can be used for high-volume  
bidirectional communication via SMS.


  Here in North America, we're basically out of luck unless you hack  
together a hardware-based SMS device, and even that may be not  
reliable since carriers explicitly state that their accounts cannot be  
shared, and a large number of SMS messages to/from a particular  
account may cause it to be disconnected without warning.  It appears  
to me that carriers have taken the stance that SMS should be for  
infrequent messages between actual fingers (no automation allowed!) or  
via short codes, and short codes involve a significant amount of cost,  
configuration, and even arbitrary approvals from the carriers on the  
use of a short code.  If you look at the form required for a short  
code request, you'll discover that it's not for generic use - it's  
geared entirely for ad campaigns.


  A few years ago I tried searching for SMS-enabled SIP telephone  
numbers (DIDs) and found that there was a new service available, but  
the monthly price floor was pretty steep.  I still have not met anyone  
actually offering the service, but I'm sure there must be resellers of  
it by now.  It was Level 3, offering SIP trunks with DIDs on them.   
Another company, Syniverse, was then SMS-enabling those numbers in an  
exclusive agreement.  Payment had to go to each company, separately.   
The costs per number to enable SMS were fairly low, and the costs for  
message transmission were fairly low, but the Level 3 minimum purchase  
price was quite high (imagine that you could buy a nice sports car  
every month with the minimum payment.)  I have no idea if this  
service is still available, or how successful it's been.


  If anyone now has direct experience with a reseller or small  
distributor of this service, let me know - I'm still looking for a SIP- 
capable DID that can handle SMTP/SMPP/XML-HTML transmission of SMS  
messages with some decent volume (200-1000 messages per day.)


Here's a message in a thread from a while back on this topic which has  
some pointers:


http://lists.digium.com/pipermail/asterisk-users/2008-October/220726.html

JT

---
John Todd   email:jt...@digium.com
Digium, Inc. | Asterisk Open Source Community Director
445 Jan Davis Drive NW -  Huntsville AL 35806  -   USA
direct: +1-256-428-6083 http://www.digium.com/

Re: SMS

[William Hamilton]

quote who=Shaun Rossi
 Hello,

 I have no idea what this is referred to as, so I will try
 to explain:  I have a client interested in setting up a
 mobile phone text message service where a mobile user
 would send a text to a short (say 5 digit) 'telephone'
 number.  I've seen commercials on TV where you could send
 a numeric/text code to a SMS gateway number, and it
 charges your mobile account for the returned text message
 or downloadable ringer/etc.

*snip*

These are SMS short codes.

Essentially you purchase service from an SMS aggregator (that's your
missing key word) and you can bulk send your SMS through some sort of API
or HTML gateway. They will generally have agreements with the mobile
networks to have anything that is sent to a particular short code
forwarded onto the aggregator so that they can make them available to you.

A Google search for SMS aggregator US should point you in the right
direction, although I've only had direct experience (and a few years ago
now) with Opera Telecom in the UK.

B

Re: SMS

[Shane Ronan]

On that same note, can someone point me in the direction of an SMS  
gateway service? I would like to be able to send SMS messages from my  
monitoring systems, but I am unsure about how to go about it.


Appreciate the assistance.

Shane Ronan

On Sep 22, 2009, at 11:19 AM, Express Web Systems wrote:


Shaun,

This is called Short code sms messaging. www.clickatell.com offers  
this
service and is considered to be one of the bigger players in the SMS  
market.


Warm regards,

Tom Walsh
Express Web Systems, Inc.


-Original Message-
From: Shaun Rossi [mailto:ro...@fidalia.com]
Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 10:07 AM
To: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: SMS

Hello,

   I have no idea what this is referred to as, so I will
try to explain:  I have a client interested in setting up a mobile
phone text message service where a mobile user would send a text to a
short (say 5 digit) 'telephone' number.  I've seen commercials on TV
where you could send a numeric/text code to a SMS gateway number, and
it charges your mobile account for the returned text message or
downloadable ringer/etc.

   Without knowing much about how to access this service,
it seems relatively straightforward.

   I did a few web searches however I'm not sure what
magic keyword I'm missing for the search.  Could anyone point me in  
the

right direction?  The service would be established in Canada and
potentially the United States.  I have called two of the largest  
mobile

operators, but no one can get me to the right department.

As far as experience with texting goes, I have worked on some systems
that do M2M (machine-to-machine) SMS communication, always using full
mobile telephone numbers (GSM modems).

Many thanks,

-Shaun


Shaun Rossi
Fidalia Networks Inc
tel. (905) 271-0037 x 111
1-866-FIDALIA (343-2542) x 111
fax. (905) 271-1036

1 Port Street East - Second Floor
Mississauga, Ontario
L5G 4N1  Canada

RE: SMS

[Express Web Systems]

Shaun,

This is called Short code sms messaging. www.clickatell.com offers this
service and is considered to be one of the bigger players in the SMS market.

Warm regards,

Tom Walsh
Express Web Systems, Inc.

 -Original Message-
 From: Shaun Rossi [mailto:ro...@fidalia.com]
 Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 10:07 AM
 To: nanog@nanog.org
 Subject: SMS
 
 Hello,
 
 I have no idea what this is referred to as, so I will
 try to explain:  I have a client interested in setting up a mobile
 phone text message service where a mobile user would send a text to a
 short (say 5 digit) 'telephone' number.  I've seen commercials on TV
 where you could send a numeric/text code to a SMS gateway number, and
 it charges your mobile account for the returned text message or
 downloadable ringer/etc.
 
 Without knowing much about how to access this service,
 it seems relatively straightforward.
 
 I did a few web searches however I'm not sure what
 magic keyword I'm missing for the search.  Could anyone point me in the
 right direction?  The service would be established in Canada and
 potentially the United States.  I have called two of the largest mobile
 operators, but no one can get me to the right department.
 
 As far as experience with texting goes, I have worked on some systems
 that do M2M (machine-to-machine) SMS communication, always using full
 mobile telephone numbers (GSM modems).
 
 Many thanks,
 
 -Shaun
 
 
 Shaun Rossi
 Fidalia Networks Inc
 tel. (905) 271-0037 x 111
 1-866-FIDALIA (343-2542) x 111
 fax. (905) 271-1036
 
 1 Port Street East - Second Floor
 Mississauga, Ontario
 L5G 4N1  Canada

Re: SMS

[Alex Balashov]

Shane Ronan wrote:

On that same note, can someone point me in the direction of an SMS 
gateway service? I would like to be able to send SMS messages from my 
monitoring systems, but I am unsure about how to go about it.


Appreciate the assistance.


Why not use an e-mail to SMS gateway from whichever carrier?

--
Alex Balashov - Principal
Evariste Systems
Web : http://www.evaristesys.com/
Tel : (+1) (678) 954-0670
Direct  : (+1) (678) 954-0671

RE: SMS

[Scott Berkman]

Many people consider these (carrier email to SMS gateways) too unreliable as
there are no SLAs from the carriers, and sometimes experience long delays in
message delivery, or just flat out dropped messages.  If this is what you
are depending on for outage notification that's a big risk.

Some people use a serial interface to a specific model cell phones to
directly send the message over the carrier's cellular network.  This is good
in the event of isolation of a location from any IP connectivity to a
carrier gateway.

I believe there was another solution that involved direct carrier
connections, but these are most likely cost prohibitive in most situations.

There is a good thread on this somewhere a little while back in the NANOG
archives with more details of the solutions.

-Scott

-Original Message-
From: Alex Balashov [mailto:abalas...@evaristesys.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 11:53 AM
To: Shane Ronan
Cc: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Re: SMS

Shane Ronan wrote:

 On that same note, can someone point me in the direction of an SMS 
 gateway service? I would like to be able to send SMS messages from my 
 monitoring systems, but I am unsure about how to go about it.
 
 Appreciate the assistance.

Why not use an e-mail to SMS gateway from whichever carrier?

-- 
Alex Balashov - Principal
Evariste Systems
Web : http://www.evaristesys.com/
Tel : (+1) (678) 954-0670
Direct  : (+1) (678) 954-0671

RE: SMS

[Scott Berkman]

Another for this list is http://msgme.com/.

Setting up your own short codes is an expensive and long process, so you are
usually best starting off with a shared code from one of these companies and
you can migrate down the line if the revenue/volume is there to make it
worthwhile.

-Scott

-Original Message-
From: Express Web Systems [mailto:mailingli...@expresswebsystems.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 11:19 AM
To: 'Shaun Rossi'; nanog@nanog.org
Subject: RE: SMS

Shaun,

This is called Short code sms messaging. www.clickatell.com offers this
service and is considered to be one of the bigger players in the SMS market.

Warm regards,

Tom Walsh
Express Web Systems, Inc.

 -Original Message-
 From: Shaun Rossi [mailto:ro...@fidalia.com]
 Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 10:07 AM
 To: nanog@nanog.org
 Subject: SMS
 
 Hello,
 
 I have no idea what this is referred to as, so I will
 try to explain:  I have a client interested in setting up a mobile
 phone text message service where a mobile user would send a text to a
 short (say 5 digit) 'telephone' number.  I've seen commercials on TV
 where you could send a numeric/text code to a SMS gateway number, and
 it charges your mobile account for the returned text message or
 downloadable ringer/etc.
 
 Without knowing much about how to access this service,
 it seems relatively straightforward.
 
 I did a few web searches however I'm not sure what
 magic keyword I'm missing for the search.  Could anyone point me in the
 right direction?  The service would be established in Canada and
 potentially the United States.  I have called two of the largest mobile
 operators, but no one can get me to the right department.
 
 As far as experience with texting goes, I have worked on some systems
 that do M2M (machine-to-machine) SMS communication, always using full
 mobile telephone numbers (GSM modems).
 
 Many thanks,
 
 -Shaun
 
 
 Shaun Rossi
 Fidalia Networks Inc
 tel. (905) 271-0037 x 111
 1-866-FIDALIA (343-2542) x 111
 fax. (905) 271-1036
 
 1 Port Street East - Second Floor
 Mississauga, Ontario
 L5G 4N1  Canada

RE: SMS

[Scott Berkman]

FYI here is one view of one of the threads I was recalling:

http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/nanog/users/104612?search_string=sms;#
104612

Make sure to look at post #5 that summarized a previous thread too.

I think the direct connection I was thinking of was the modem to TAP
gateway options.

-Scott

-Original Message-
From: wher...@gmail.com [mailto:wher...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of William
Herrin
Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 12:29 PM
To: Scott Berkman
Cc: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Re: SMS

On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 11:59 AM, Scott Berkman sc...@sberkman.net wrote:
 Some people use a serial interface to a specific model cell phones to
 directly send the message over the carrier's cellular network.  This is
good
 in the event of isolation of a location from any IP connectivity to a
 carrier gateway.

The Multitech Multimodem GPRS model MTCBA-G-EN-F4 has an ethernet
port. Add a SIM card from your favorite wireless carrier and you can
send and receive SMS messages via AT commands over a TCP socket.
Problem is, it seizes up or otherwise founders every few weeks and has
to be power cycled.

Has anyone heard of other products with a good reliability record?


 I believe there was another solution that involved direct carrier
 connections, but these are most likely cost prohibitive in most
situations.

Any pointers on this would be greatly appreciated. I have a need for
geographically redundant access to the same phone numbers in order to
send and receive SMS messages. Even if I have to buy a pair of T1s
that are 99.9% idle, it'd be worth it.

Regards,
Bill Herrin


-- 
William D. Herrin  her...@dirtside.com  b...@herrin.us
3005 Crane Dr. .. Web: http://bill.herrin.us/
Falls Church, VA 22042-3004

Re: SMS

[Richard E. Brown]

--- Shane Ronan wrote:
On that same note, can someone point me in the direction of an SMS
gateway service? I would like to be able to send SMS messages from my
monitoring systems, but I am unsure about how to go about it.
--- end of quote ---

There are several ways to do this:

- Open source software like Gammu (http://cihar.com/gammu/) can send SMS messages  
through a USB or RS232 attached mobile phone or cellular modem.


- We've had good luck with the MultiTech MultiModem GPRS, model MTCBA-G-U-F2 (USB)  
and Multitech GPRS MTCBA-G-F4 and Wavecomm RS-232 GSM (RS-232) modems.


- Many monitoring/management packages have built-in or add-on SMS sending 
utilities.

- You may not want to rely on the cellular carrier's e-mail-to-SMS gateway, either  
because of connectivity problems or the cell carrier's delay/reliability problems.


- There's also a kludge that's good for a disaster notification that simply  
rings a phone when something really bad happens. :-) Basically, the system uses  
its numeric pager/TAP software to dial through an analog modem and a POTS line  
and ring your phone/cell. The CallerID tells you who's calling, even there's no  
message. There's a KB article at the InterMapper site describing this is at...


   http://forums.dartware.com/viewtopic.php?t=913

Rich Brownrichard.e.br...@dartware.com
Dartware, LLC http://www.dartware.com
66-7 Benning Street   Telephone: 603-643-9600
West Lebanon, NH 03784-3407   Fax: 603-643-2289

Re: SMS

[Chris Adams]

Once upon a time, Alex Balashov abalas...@evaristesys.com said:
 Shane Ronan wrote:
 On that same note, can someone point me in the direction of an SMS 
 gateway service? I would like to be able to send SMS messages from my 
 monitoring systems, but I am unsure about how to go about it.
 
 Why not use an e-mail to SMS gateway from whichever carrier?

They tend to be unreliable (long delays and dropped messages).  Also,
how can your monitoring system email the gateway when the network is
down?
-- 
Chris Adams cmad...@hiwaay.net
Systems and Network Administrator - HiWAAY Internet Services
I don't speak for anybody but myself - that's enough trouble.

Re: SMS

[Chris Adams]

Once upon a time, William Herrin herrin-na...@dirtside.com said:
 The Multitech Multimodem GPRS model MTCBA-G-EN-F4 has an ethernet
 port. Add a SIM card from your favorite wireless carrier and you can
 send and receive SMS messages via AT commands over a TCP socket.
 Problem is, it seizes up or otherwise founders every few weeks and has
 to be power cycled.
 
 Has anyone heard of other products with a good reliability record?

We have the MTCBA-G-U-F4-ED (the USB version) and have not had any
trouble.  I had to modify the Linux kernel driver for the chipset used
to load the firmware correctly (and optionally externally instead of
just compiled in), but those changes are in the upstream kernel now.

We haven't had any problem with it locking up or anything; the server
with it attached has been up for a year (as of 41 minutes ago :-) ) with
no problems (haven't had to pull the modem or anything like that).

We have an ATT SIM card in it, and we did have problems with ATT's SMS
several months ago; for several hours, they were rejecting messages from
our modem.  Now I have an additional monitor that sends a message to
itself periodically, and (of course) we haven't had that problem since.
-- 
Chris Adams cmad...@hiwaay.net
Systems and Network Administrator - HiWAAY Internet Services
I don't speak for anybody but myself - that's enough trouble.

Re: SMS

[Shane Ronan]

How do I send out an email if the network is down?

On Sep 22, 2009, at 11:52 AM, Alex Balashov wrote:


Shane Ronan wrote:

On that same note, can someone point me in the direction of an SMS  
gateway service? I would like to be able to send SMS messages from  
my monitoring systems, but I am unsure about how to go about it.

Appreciate the assistance.


Why not use an e-mail to SMS gateway from whichever carrier?

--
Alex Balashov - Principal
Evariste Systems
Web : http://www.evaristesys.com/
Tel : (+1) (678) 954-0670
Direct  : (+1) (678) 954-0671

Re: SMS

[Brandon Galbraith]

On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 3:27 PM, Shane Ronan sro...@fattoc.com wrote:

 How do I send out an email if the network is down?


Why not use an e-mail to SMS gateway from whichever carrier?



Your external monitoring box sends the email? You do have something doing
external monitoring, right?


-- 
Brandon Galbraith
Mobile: 630.400.6992
FNAL: 630.840.2141

Re: SMS

[bmanning]

On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 03:31:48PM -0500, Brandon Galbraith wrote:
 On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 3:27 PM, Shane Ronan sro...@fattoc.com wrote:
 
  How do I send out an email if the network is down?
 
 
 Why not use an e-mail to SMS gateway from whichever carrier?
 
 
 
 Your external monitoring box sends the email? You do have something doing
 external monitoring, right?
 
 
 -- 
 Brandon Galbraith
 Mobile: 630.400.6992
 FNAL: 630.840.2141


well, my ISP is my telco, is my cable/TV co...  that whole
triple-play - bundled service thing.

so not only can't i send email, i can't call either.  fortunately
i have these homing birds ... faster than RSA DSL and likely most
broadband in the US too.

--bill

RE: SMS

[Aaron D. Osgood]

We have a package which uses the MultiTech line of modems coupled with
software that will watch files on your network and generate SMS messges (or
SNPP, WCTP, TAP, FAX, etc). The underlying engine is a highly customized
version of PageGate software from NotePage, Inc. Part of our customization
was to defeat the issue you mentioned of modem suspension. It was
initially designed for high volume short messages of a critical nature and
is in use in numerous Public Safety (Fire/Police/EMS) communications
centers. Often, the Public Safety agency will contract with us to provide
and install the system, then the IT department realizes the benefits of
using it to monitor their systems. Please contact me off list if you would
like more information

Aaron D. Osgood

Streamline Solutions L.L.C

P.O. Box 6115
Falmouth, ME 04105 

TEL: 207-781-5561
FAX: 615-704-8067
MOBILE: 207-831-5829
aosg...@streamline-solutions.net
http://www.streamline-solutions.net

Introducing Efficiency to Business since 1986.


-Original Message-
From: William Herrin [mailto:herrin-na...@dirtside.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 12:29 PM
To: Scott Berkman
Cc: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Re: SMS

On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 11:59 AM, Scott Berkman sc...@sberkman.net wrote:
 Some people use a serial interface to a specific model cell phones to
 directly send the message over the carrier's cellular network.  This is
good
 in the event of isolation of a location from any IP connectivity to a
 carrier gateway.

The Multitech Multimodem GPRS model MTCBA-G-EN-F4 has an ethernet
port. Add a SIM card from your favorite wireless carrier and you can
send and receive SMS messages via AT commands over a TCP socket.
Problem is, it seizes up or otherwise founders every few weeks and has
to be power cycled.

Has anyone heard of other products with a good reliability record?


 I believe there was another solution that involved direct carrier
 connections, but these are most likely cost prohibitive in most
situations.

Any pointers on this would be greatly appreciated. I have a need for
geographically redundant access to the same phone numbers in order to
send and receive SMS messages. Even if I have to buy a pair of T1s
that are 99.9% idle, it'd be worth it.

Regards,
Bill Herrin


-- 
William D. Herrin  her...@dirtside.com  b...@herrin.us
3005 Crane Dr. .. Web: http://bill.herrin.us/
Falls Church, VA 22042-3004

Re: SMS

[Frédéric]

Le mardi 22 septembre 2009 à 16:27 -0400, Shane Ronan a écrit :
 How do I send out an email if the network is down?
 

via a gsm modem (phone + usb cable) connect to you monitoring server.




 On Sep 22, 2009, at 11:52 AM, Alex Balashov wrote:
 
  Shane Ronan wrote:
 
  On that same note, can someone point me in the direction of an SMS  
  gateway service? I would like to be able to send SMS messages from  
  my monitoring systems, but I am unsure about how to go about it.
  Appreciate the assistance.
 
  Why not use an e-mail to SMS gateway from whichever carrier?
 
  -- 
  Alex Balashov - Principal
  Evariste Systems
  Web : http://www.evaristesys.com/
  Tel : (+1) (678) 954-0670
  Direct  : (+1) (678) 954-0671
 
 
 

Re: SMS

[William F. Maton Sotomayor]

On Tue, 22 Sep 2009, Shane Ronan wrote:


How do I send out an email if the network is down?


I have had success using a GSM phone hooked up to the server via USB. 
(Bonus is that the server constantly 'charges' the phone).  An ugly set of 
scripts deals with taking emails and changing them into SMS messages which 
are then transmitted through that phone to another.




On Sep 22, 2009, at 11:52 AM, Alex Balashov wrote:


Shane Ronan wrote:

On that same note, can someone point me in the direction of an SMS gateway 
service? I would like to be able to send SMS messages from my monitoring 
systems, but I am unsure about how to go about it.

Appreciate the assistance.


Why not use an e-mail to SMS gateway from whichever carrier?

--
Alex Balashov - Principal
Evariste Systems
Web : http://www.evaristesys.com/
Tel : (+1) (678) 954-0670
Direct  : (+1) (678) 954-0671





wfms

Re: SMS

[Seth Mattinen]

William F. Maton Sotomayor wrote:
 On Tue, 22 Sep 2009, Shane Ronan wrote:
 
 How do I send out an email if the network is down?
 
 I have had success using a GSM phone hooked up to the server via USB.
 (Bonus is that the server constantly 'charges' the phone).  An ugly set
 of scripts deals with taking emails and changing them into SMS messages
 which are then transmitted through that phone to another.
 

I use an old 1xRTT Sprint phone and send SMS via SNPP. As a bonus, as
long as I know the IP the PPP connection has, I can SSH back as long as
whatever took out all my hardlines doesn't kill all the cell towers in
range.

~Seth

Re: SMS

[Nathan Ward]

On 23/09/2009, at 4:29 AM, William Herrin wrote:

On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 11:59 AM, Scott Berkman sc...@sberkman.net  
wrote:

Some people use a serial interface to a specific model cell phones to
directly send the message over the carrier's cellular network.   
This is good

in the event of isolation of a location from any IP connectivity to a
carrier gateway.


The Multitech Multimodem GPRS model MTCBA-G-EN-F4 has an ethernet
port. Add a SIM card from your favorite wireless carrier and you can
send and receive SMS messages via AT commands over a TCP socket.
Problem is, it seizes up or otherwise founders every few weeks and has
to be power cycled.

Has anyone heard of other products with a good reliability record?


That is shocking.

I have had a fantastic track record with a Maestro 100 GSM modem with  
a serial interface.


One of my customers has one powered on for about a year now, and it's  
never missed a beat.


They apparently support TCP/IP and the datasheet mentions something  
about email, but I have no idea what that really means, and don't  
really care so much.

I send it standard GSM AT commands, and it just works.

I've done the whole old nokia handset thing in the past several times  
and it's *ok*. Now though, I say don't bother, this thing is maybe a  
couple hundred dollars, and saves you oodles of time fooling around  
making it work reliably.


--
Nathan Ward

Re: SMS

[John Levine]

In article a28e70a6-ed1e-4dc0-aaa1-66d723e64...@fattoc.com you write:
On that same note, can someone point me in the direction of an SMS  
gateway service? I would like to be able to send SMS messages from my  
monitoring systems, but I am unsure about how to go about it.

If your monitoring system has reliable IP connectivity, I can recommend
Clickatell.  If not, try one of the cellular modem kludges people have
described.

For my own amusement, I wrote a little hack that takes the voicemail
messages that my VoIP service mails me, extracts a few salient facts
of calling number and message length, and sends me an SMS notification
to my mobile phone so I know to call and pick up my messages.  Works
great.

R's,
John

Re: SMS Standards

[John Bittenbender]

On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 9:41 PM, Bruce Pinsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
 Hash: SHA1

 Glen Kent wrote:
 Hi,

 Apologies in advance since this is off-topic. However, posting in on
 nanog since i am confident that we will have some experts who would be
 able to guide me here.

 I want to study the standards (RFC equivalent) for sending and
 receiving SMSs. Any ideas on what kind of protocol runs between a
 mobile phone and a SMS center (SMSC)?


 Wiki_Pedia is your friend http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Short_message_service

 The Short Message Service - Point to Point (SMS-PP) is defined in GSM
 recommendation 03.40.[2] GSM 03.41 defines the Short Message Service - Cell
 Broadcast (SMS-CB) which allows messages (advertising, public information,
 etc.) to be broadcast to all mobile users in a specified geographical
 area.[16] Messages are sent to a Short Message Service Centre (SMSC) which
 provides a store-and-forward mechanism. It attempts to send messages to
 their recipients. If a recipient is not reachable, the SMSC queues the
 message for later retry.[17] Some SMSCs also provide a forward and forget
 option where transmission is tried only once. Both Mobile Terminated (MT),
 for messages sent to a mobile handset, and Mobile Originating (MO), for
 those that are sent from the mobile handset, operations are supported.
 Message delivery is best effort, so there are no guarantees that a message
 will actually be delivered to its recipient and delay or complete loss of a
 message is not uncommon, particularly when sending between networks. Users
 may choose to request delivery reports (simply add *0# or *N# to the
 beginning of your text message), which can provide positive confirmation
 that the message has reached the intended recipient.

 Transmission of short messages between the SMSC and the handset is done
 using the Mobile Application Part (MAP) of the SS7 protocol. Messages are
 sent with the MAP mo- and mt-ForwardSM operations, whose payload length is
 limited by the constraints of the signalling protocol to precisely 140
 octets (140 octets = 140 * 8 bits = 1120 bits). Short messages can be
 encoded using a variety of alphabets: the default GSM 7-bit alphabet (shown
 below), the 8-bit data alphabet, and the 16-bit UTF-16/UCS-2 alphabet.[18]
 Depending on which alphabet the subscriber has configured in the handset,
 this leads to the maximum individual Short Message sizes of 160 7-bit
 characters, 140 8-bit characters, or 70 16-bit characters (including
 spaces). Support of the GSM 7-bit alphabet is mandatory for GSM handsets
 and network elements,[18] but characters in languages such as Arabic,
 Chinese, Korean, Japanese or Cyrillic alphabet languages (e.g. Russian)
 must be encoded using the 16-bit UCS-2 character encoding (see Unicode).
 Routing data and other metadata is additional to the payload size.

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Depending on what you are doing, see also SMPP protocol as much
inter-carrier SMS is carried over SMPP links. Also many external
content providers send SMS messages to phones via SMPP to reach the
carrier (news alerts, etc).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Short_message_peer-to-peer_protocol

www.alvento.com/productos/sms/smpp/smpp34.pdf

John B

Re: SMS Standards

[Glen Kent]

 Message delivery is best effort, so there are no guarantees that a message
 will actually be delivered to its recipient and delay or complete loss of a
 message is not uncommon, particularly when sending between networks. Users
 may choose to request delivery reports (simply add *0# or *N# to the
 beginning of your text message), which can provide positive confirmation
 that the message has reached the intended recipient.

I tried adding a *0# to my SMS and i didnt receive any confirmation ..

I particularly interested in knowing the frame encoding thats done to
send a SMS. What are the control words that are sent along with an
SMS, etc. What does one need to do if a standard is to be proposed. Is
it like IETF where a draft is submitted, or is it something else.

Any pointers to the appropriate mailing list?

Regards,
Glen

Re: SMS Standards

[Bruce Pinsky]

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Glen Kent wrote:
 Hi,
 
 Apologies in advance since this is off-topic. However, posting in on
 nanog since i am confident that we will have some experts who would be
 able to guide me here.
 
 I want to study the standards (RFC equivalent) for sending and
 receiving SMSs. Any ideas on what kind of protocol runs between a
 mobile phone and a SMS center (SMSC)?
 

Wiki_Pedia is your friend http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Short_message_service

The Short Message Service - Point to Point (SMS-PP) is defined in GSM
recommendation 03.40.[2] GSM 03.41 defines the Short Message Service - Cell
Broadcast (SMS-CB) which allows messages (advertising, public information,
etc.) to be broadcast to all mobile users in a specified geographical
area.[16] Messages are sent to a Short Message Service Centre (SMSC) which
provides a store-and-forward mechanism. It attempts to send messages to
their recipients. If a recipient is not reachable, the SMSC queues the
message for later retry.[17] Some SMSCs also provide a forward and forget
option where transmission is tried only once. Both Mobile Terminated (MT),
for messages sent to a mobile handset, and Mobile Originating (MO), for
those that are sent from the mobile handset, operations are supported.
Message delivery is best effort, so there are no guarantees that a message
will actually be delivered to its recipient and delay or complete loss of a
message is not uncommon, particularly when sending between networks. Users
may choose to request delivery reports (simply add *0# or *N# to the
beginning of your text message), which can provide positive confirmation
that the message has reached the intended recipient.

Transmission of short messages between the SMSC and the handset is done
using the Mobile Application Part (MAP) of the SS7 protocol. Messages are
sent with the MAP mo- and mt-ForwardSM operations, whose payload length is
limited by the constraints of the signalling protocol to precisely 140
octets (140 octets = 140 * 8 bits = 1120 bits). Short messages can be
encoded using a variety of alphabets: the default GSM 7-bit alphabet (shown
below), the 8-bit data alphabet, and the 16-bit UTF-16/UCS-2 alphabet.[18]
Depending on which alphabet the subscriber has configured in the handset,
this leads to the maximum individual Short Message sizes of 160 7-bit
characters, 140 8-bit characters, or 70 16-bit characters (including
spaces). Support of the GSM 7-bit alphabet is mandatory for GSM handsets
and network elements,[18] but characters in languages such as Arabic,
Chinese, Korean, Japanese or Cyrillic alphabet languages (e.g. Russian)
must be encoded using the 16-bit UCS-2 character encoding (see Unicode).
Routing data and other metadata is additional to the payload size.

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Re: SMS hinkiness on ATT?

[Joel Esler]

Yes, I was getting delayed messages from AIM - iPhone and back as well.
 (via sms)..

On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 8:39 AM, Jack Bates [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 As near as we could tell, ATT doesn't support TAP, so we've been
 looking at alternatives (like a GSM modem).  However, if the problem is
 ATT, I guess we might hold off.


 Not sure what you are using, but the official TAP number I found seems to
 always answer, but it does require that you have the enterprise paging
 service on the phone (which is like 10 bucks). A search of enterprise paging
 in ATT's stuff gives you the info on TAP, as well as the various internet
 protocol's supported (which I prefer with TAP as fallback).

 Jack




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Re: SMS hinkiness on ATT?

[Jay R. Ashworth]

On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 07:50:22PM -0700, Joel Jaeggli wrote:
 Text sent too att customers appear ok from tmob or via @txt.att.net... 
 I'm experiencing ~10 minute delays on texts originating on att handsets.

I see intermittent but very regular delays myself from my Nextel
Blackberry (MMS, not SMS), to and from several other networks,
sometimes up to *hours*.

I've always assumed that whatever gateway service connects the various
carriers is simply incompetent.

This might be better discussed on [outages].

Cheers,
-- jra
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