RE: What are people using for IPAM these days?

[Travis Garrison]

>On 6/12/18 1:52 PM, Chris Adams wrote:
>> Once upon a time, Randy Bush  said:
 If you start with Excel, down Will It Scale Road, you will be sorry, 
 so very sorry.  Especially when it comes to v6.
>>>
>>> emacs!
>> 
>> vim!
>> 
>
>ed!

Butterflies!

Re: What are people using for IPAM these days?

[Jay Christopher]

Not sure I've seen it mentioned, so will throw NetBox into the mix.

https://github.com/digitalocean/netbox

- jay

On Wed, Jun 13, 2018 at 3:50 PM Eric Kuhnke  wrote:

> Either phpipam or nipap.
>
> Both use fairly standard database backends and db schema (usually something
> as simple as mariadb listenong on localhost only, on the same VM that is
> the apache2 or nginx + php stack), allowing you to scale up to external
> tools that do read only queries of the IP database for other purposes.
>
> On Sun, Jun 10, 2018 at 1:48 PM, Mike Lyon  wrote:
>
> > Title says it all... Currently using IPPlan, but it is kinda antiquated..
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Mike
> >
> > --
> > Mike Lyon
> > mike.l...@gmail.com
> > http://www.linkedin.com/in/mlyon
> >
>
-- 
- Jay C.

Re: What are people using for IPAM these days?

[Luca Salvatore via NANOG]

Netbox. Open source IPAM and DCIM built by DigitalOcean
https://github.com/digitalocean/netbox

On Wed, Jun 13, 2018 at 5:50 PM Eric Kuhnke  wrote:

> Either phpipam or nipap.
>
> Both use fairly standard database backends and db schema (usually something
> as simple as mariadb listenong on localhost only, on the same VM that is
> the apache2 or nginx + php stack), allowing you to scale up to external
> tools that do read only queries of the IP database for other purposes.
>
> On Sun, Jun 10, 2018 at 1:48 PM, Mike Lyon  wrote:
>
> > Title says it all... Currently using IPPlan, but it is kinda antiquated..
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Mike
> >
> > --
> > Mike Lyon
> > mike.l...@gmail.com
> > http://www.linkedin.com/in/mlyon
> >
>

Re: What are people using for IPAM these days?

[Ryan Kearney]

Can we please stop spamming the list with this crap now?

> On Jun 12, 2018, at 10:37 PM, Stephen Satchell  wrote:
> 
> On 06/12/2018 08:26 PM, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote:
>>> emacs!
>> vim!
> ed!
 TECO!
>>> cat
>> IBM 029.
> 
> Youngster.  IBM 026.

Re: What are people using for IPAM these days?

[Estevan Pagan]

Device42.

https://www.device42.com/

On Tue, Jun 12, 2018 at 11:53 AM Chris Adams  wrote:

> Once upon a time, Randy Bush  said:
> > > If you start with Excel, down Will It Scale Road, you will be sorry,
> > > so very sorry.  Especially when it comes to v6.
> >
> > emacs!
>
> vim!
> --
> Chris Adams 
>

Re: What are people using for IPAM these days?

[Brant Ian Stevens]

sorry, but nano4lyfe!

On 6/12/18 2:52 PM, Chris Adams wrote:

Once upon a time, Randy Bush  said:

If you start with Excel, down Will It Scale Road, you will be sorry,
so very sorry.  Especially when it comes to v6.

emacs!

vim!

Re: What are people using for IPAM these days?

[Brian Jeggesen]

Check out TIPP;
http://tipp.tobez.org

/Brian

søn. 10. jun. 2018 kl. 22.51 skrev Mike Lyon :

> Title says it all... Currently using IPPlan, but it is kinda antiquated..
>
> Thanks,
> Mike
>
> --
> Mike Lyon
> mike.l...@gmail.com
> http://www.linkedin.com/in/mlyon
>

Re: What are people using for IPAM these days?

[Eric Kuhnke]

That is very interesting, scrolling down a bit for the
screenshots/examples, it's one of the few IP address management systems
that also addresses the OSI layer 1 location/position/racking of equipment.
Tools like phpipam only go as far as VLAN assignment. Logical that they
built that feature in, considering the hosting/colo/dedicated server ISP it
originated at.


On Wed, Jun 13, 2018 at 5:29 PM, Jay Christopher <
jaychristopher...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Not sure I've seen it mentioned, so will throw NetBox into the mix.
>
> https://github.com/digitalocean/netbox
>
> - jay
>
> On Wed, Jun 13, 2018 at 3:50 PM Eric Kuhnke  wrote:
>
>> Either phpipam or nipap.
>>
>> Both use fairly standard database backends and db schema (usually
>> something
>> as simple as mariadb listenong on localhost only, on the same VM that is
>> the apache2 or nginx + php stack), allowing you to scale up to external
>> tools that do read only queries of the IP database for other purposes.
>>
>> On Sun, Jun 10, 2018 at 1:48 PM, Mike Lyon  wrote:
>>
>> > Title says it all... Currently using IPPlan, but it is kinda
>> antiquated..
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> > Mike
>> >
>> > --
>> > Mike Lyon
>> > mike.l...@gmail.com
>> > http://www.linkedin.com/in/mlyon
>> >
>>
> --
> - Jay C.
>

Re: What are people using for IPAM these days?

[Eric Kuhnke]

Either phpipam or nipap.

Both use fairly standard database backends and db schema (usually something
as simple as mariadb listenong on localhost only, on the same VM that is
the apache2 or nginx + php stack), allowing you to scale up to external
tools that do read only queries of the IP database for other purposes.

On Sun, Jun 10, 2018 at 1:48 PM, Mike Lyon  wrote:

> Title says it all... Currently using IPPlan, but it is kinda antiquated..
>
> Thanks,
> Mike
>
> --
> Mike Lyon
> mike.l...@gmail.com
> http://www.linkedin.com/in/mlyon
>

Re: What are people using for IPAM these days?

[Jeremy Malli]

PHP/Mysql app we wrote a while back for this purpose.  Support v4/v6 and we 
like it :)

https://github.com/seankndy/subnetsmngr 


Jeremy

> On Jun 13, 2018, at 11:38 AM, Brian Kantor  > wrote:
> 
> On Wed, Jun 13, 2018 at 11:25:47AM -0700, Randy Bush wrote:
>> emacs!
> vim!
 ed!
>>> TECO!
>> cat
> IBM 029.
 Youngster.  IBM 026.
>>> Infants!  Hollerith (IBM Type 1). I still own it.
>> 
>> but i actually do use emacs
> 
> For IP address management, I use a homebrew Perl web application
> that is a front end to a postgres database and allows entry, update,
> deletion and display.  There is a 'C' program which acts as a back
> end, and builds the Bind zone files and the dhcp table from the
> contents of the database when there is a change in the DB, as sampled
> every 15 minutes.  There is also a batch update program to make
> multiple changes to the database when that becomes necessary.
>   - Brian
> 

Re: What are people using for IPAM these days?

[Brian Kantor]

On Wed, Jun 13, 2018 at 11:25:47AM -0700, Randy Bush wrote:
>  emacs!
> >>> vim!
> >> ed!
> > TECO!
>  cat
> >>> IBM 029.
> >> Youngster.  IBM 026.
> > Infants!  Hollerith (IBM Type 1). I still own it.
> 
> but i actually do use emacs

For IP address management, I use a homebrew Perl web application
that is a front end to a postgres database and allows entry, update,
deletion and display.  There is a 'C' program which acts as a back
end, and builds the Bind zone files and the dhcp table from the
contents of the database when there is a change in the DB, as sampled
every 15 minutes.  There is also a batch update program to make
multiple changes to the database when that becomes necessary.
- Brian

Re: What are people using for IPAM these days?

[Randy Bush]

 emacs!
>>> vim!
>> ed!
> TECO!
 cat
>>> IBM 029.
>> Youngster.  IBM 026.
> Infants!  Hollerith (IBM Type 1). I still own it.

but i actually do use emacs

Re: What are people using for IPAM these days?

[James Bensley]

On 13 June 2018 at 13:54, Paul Ebersman  wrote:
> IPAM? Meh.
>
> Why bother?

So true - when customers want their IP details why should I, the
person they are paying to track this information, spend time
looking-up the info they reqeust?! I normally set them up with a login
to the core and tell them "look it up yourself you lazy git!".

For those that actually believe in "IPAMs" - this is misnomer phrase
these days (has been for ages). If you want to do stuff at scale you
need a "number" tracking system or "abstract resource that is being 0
and 4096 or between 1 and 65535" etc. We assign VLANs, stacks of
VLANs, MPLS labels, stacks of MPLS labels, IPv4 addresses, IPv6
addresses, VPN IDs (pseudowires, VPLS etc.), route targets, route
distinguishers, ASNs, logical interface IDs, physical interfaces, and
so on. They are all finite resources in the network and all "just
numbers". I have made many experiances of people putting a lot of
effort into tracking IP addresses only and none of other stuff. I
don't know why more people aren't asking for recommendations for a
"resource tracker" [1].

Cheers,
James.


[1] Resource tracker != CMDB.

RE: What are people using for IPAM these days?

[McBride, Mack]

Stone tablets are far superior when using rfc2549 networks.

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Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2018 6:54 AM
To: North American Network Operators' Group 
Subject: Re: What are people using for IPAM these days?

> emacs!
 vim!
>>> ed!
>> TECO!
> cat

IPAM? Meh.

Why bother? It's all there in your router/switch configs if you need to check 
it.
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Re: What are people using for IPAM these days?

[Paul Ebersman]

> emacs!
 vim!
>>> ed!
>> TECO!
> cat

IPAM? Meh.

Why bother? It's all there in your router/switch configs if you need to
check it.

Re: What are people using for IPAM these days?

[mike . lyon]

Thank you everyone for all of your input.

I’ve decided to use a papyrus scroll with kosher ink for my IPAM.

I’ll let y’all know how it goes.

Thanks again.

-Mike

> On Jun 12, 2018, at 20:43, Rodney Joffe  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jun 12, 2018, at 8:36 PM, Stephen Satchell  wrote:
>> 
>> On 06/12/2018 08:26 PM, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote:
 emacs!
>>> vim!
>> ed!
> TECO!
 cat
>>> IBM 029.
>> 
>> Youngster.  IBM 026.
> 
> Infants!  Hollerith (IBM Type 1). I still own it.

Re: What are people using for IPAM these days?

[Rodney Joffe]

> On Jun 12, 2018, at 8:36 PM, Stephen Satchell  wrote:
> 
> On 06/12/2018 08:26 PM, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote:
>>> emacs!
>> vim!
> ed!
 TECO!
>>> cat
>> IBM 029.
> 
> Youngster.  IBM 026.

Infants!  Hollerith (IBM Type 1). I still own it.

Re: What are people using for IPAM these days?

[Stephen Satchell]

On 06/12/2018 08:26 PM, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote:
>> emacs!
> vim!
 ed!
>>> TECO!
>> cat
> IBM 029.

Youngster.  IBM 026.

Re: What are people using for IPAM these days?

[valdis . kletnieks]

On Tue, 12 Jun 2018 17:23:14 -0700, Randy Bush said:

>  emacs!
> >>> vim!
> >> ed!
> > TECO!
> cat

IBM 029.


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Re: What are people using for IPAM these days?

[Randy Bush]

>>> Once upon a time, Randy Bush  said:
> If you start with Excel, down Will It Scale Road, you will be sorry,
> so very sorry.  Especially when it comes to v6.

 emacs!
>>> 
>>> vim!
>>> 
>> 
>> ed!
> 
> TECO!

cat

RE: What are people using for IPAM these days?

[Scott Weeks]

--- c-mack.mcbr...@charter.com wrote:
From: "McBride, Mack" 

If you are managing more than a thousand IPs allocations 
spreadsheets are not manageable for IPv4.
-


-
I managed a /15, two /16s and several /24s (so, well 
over a quarter million IPs) on a spreadsheet for years.  
So, that's an 'it depends' answer.
--


--- c-mack.mcbr...@charter.com wrote:
From: "McBride, Mack" 

Allocations, not IPs.  And yes if they are reasonably 
static an excel spreadsheet can go higher.
-


Yes, an "it depends" answer.  But I was well in excess 
of 1000 IPs.  Sure everyone's correct on the limits in 
a rapidly growing company with lots of churn, but I was 
responding to the "If you are managing more than a 
thousand IPs allocations spreadsheets are not manageable 
for IPv4" comment.

scott

Re: What are people using for IPAM these days?

[Brian Kantor]

On Tue, Jun 12, 2018 at 06:29:12PM -0500, Bryan Holloway wrote:
> On 6/12/18 1:52 PM, Chris Adams wrote:
> > Once upon a time, Randy Bush  said:
> >>> If you start with Excel, down Will It Scale Road, you will be sorry,
> >>> so very sorry.  Especially when it comes to v6.
> >>
> >> emacs!
> > 
> > vim!
> > 
> 
> ed!

TECO!

Re: What are people using for IPAM these days?

[Bryan Holloway]

On 6/12/18 1:52 PM, Chris Adams wrote:

Once upon a time, Randy Bush  said:

If you start with Excel, down Will It Scale Road, you will be sorry,
so very sorry.  Especially when it comes to v6.


emacs!


vim!



ed!

Re: What are people using for IPAM these days?

[Chris Adams]

Once upon a time, Randy Bush  said:
> > If you start with Excel, down Will It Scale Road, you will be sorry,
> > so very sorry.  Especially when it comes to v6.
> 
> emacs!

vim!
-- 
Chris Adams 

RE: What are people using for IPAM these days?

[McBride, Mack]

Better than excel at "Two People Editing Lane"

Mack

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Behalf Of Alain Hebert
Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2018 12:20 PM
To: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Re: What are people using for IPAM these days?

     Google Docs =D

     (Just to be annoying).

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On 06/12/18 13:17, McBride, Mack wrote:
> Excel does not go down 'Will It Scale Road'.
> It ignores the stop light and crashes at 'Two People Editing Lane'.
>
> Mack
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Stacy Hughes [mailto:ipgodd...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2018 9:43 AM
> To: McBride, Mack 
> Cc: sur...@mauigateway.com; nanog@nanog.org
> Subject: Re: What are people using for IPAM these days?
>
> If you start with Excel, down Will It Scale Road, you will be sorry,  so very 
> sorry.  Especially when it comes to v6.
> Stacy
>
>> On Jun 12, 2018, at 8:13 AM, McBride, Mack  
>> wrote:
>>
>> Allocations, not IPs.  And yes if they are reasonably static an excel 
>> spreadsheet can go higher.
>>
>> Mack
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: NANOG
>> [mailto:nanog-bounces+c-mack.mcbride=charter@nanog.org] On Behalf 
>> Of Scott Weeks
>> Sent: Monday, June 11, 2018 2:40 PM
>> To: nanog@nanog.org
>> Subject: RE: What are people using for IPAM these days?
>>
>>
>>
>> --- c-mack.mcbr...@charter.com wrote:
>> From: "McBride, Mack" 
>>
>> If you are managing more than a thousand IPs allocations spreadsheets are 
>> not manageable for IPv4.
>> -
>>
>>
>>
>> I managed a /15, two /16s and several /24s (so, well over a quarter 
>> million IPs) on a spreadsheet for years.
>> So, that's an 'it depends' answer.
>>
>> scott
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Re: What are people using for IPAM these days?

[Randy Bush]

> If you start with Excel, down Will It Scale Road, you will be sorry,
> so very sorry.  Especially when it comes to v6.

emacs!

Re: What are people using for IPAM these days?

[Alain Hebert]

    Google Docs =D

    (Just to be annoying).

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On 06/12/18 13:17, McBride, Mack wrote:

Excel does not go down 'Will It Scale Road'.
It ignores the stop light and crashes at 'Two People Editing Lane'.

Mack

-Original Message-
From: Stacy Hughes [mailto:ipgodd...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2018 9:43 AM
To: McBride, Mack 
Cc: sur...@mauigateway.com; nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Re: What are people using for IPAM these days?

If you start with Excel, down Will It Scale Road, you will be sorry,  so very 
sorry.  Especially when it comes to v6.
Stacy


On Jun 12, 2018, at 8:13 AM, McBride, Mack  wrote:

Allocations, not IPs.  And yes if they are reasonably static an excel 
spreadsheet can go higher.

Mack

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Of Scott Weeks
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2018 2:40 PM
To: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: RE: What are people using for IPAM these days?



--- c-mack.mcbr...@charter.com wrote:
From: "McBride, Mack" 

If you are managing more than a thousand IPs allocations spreadsheets are not 
manageable for IPv4.
-



I managed a /15, two /16s and several /24s (so, well over a quarter
million IPs) on a spreadsheet for years.
So, that's an 'it depends' answer.

scott
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RE: What are people using for IPAM these days?

[McBride, Mack]

Excel does not go down 'Will It Scale Road'.
It ignores the stop light and crashes at 'Two People Editing Lane'.

Mack

-Original Message-
From: Stacy Hughes [mailto:ipgodd...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2018 9:43 AM
To: McBride, Mack 
Cc: sur...@mauigateway.com; nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Re: What are people using for IPAM these days?

If you start with Excel, down Will It Scale Road, you will be sorry,  so very 
sorry.  Especially when it comes to v6.
Stacy 

> On Jun 12, 2018, at 8:13 AM, McBride, Mack  wrote:
> 
> Allocations, not IPs.  And yes if they are reasonably static an excel 
> spreadsheet can go higher.
> 
> Mack
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: NANOG 
> [mailto:nanog-bounces+c-mack.mcbride=charter@nanog.org] On Behalf 
> Of Scott Weeks
> Sent: Monday, June 11, 2018 2:40 PM
> To: nanog@nanog.org
> Subject: RE: What are people using for IPAM these days?
> 
> 
> 
> --- c-mack.mcbr...@charter.com wrote:
> From: "McBride, Mack" 
> 
> If you are managing more than a thousand IPs allocations spreadsheets are not 
> manageable for IPv4.
> -
> 
> 
> 
> I managed a /15, two /16s and several /24s (so, well over a quarter 
> million IPs) on a spreadsheet for years.
> So, that's an 'it depends' answer.
> 
> scott
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Re: What are people using for IPAM these days?

[Stacy Hughes]

If you start with Excel, down Will It Scale Road, you will be sorry,  so very 
sorry.  Especially when it comes to v6.
Stacy 

> On Jun 12, 2018, at 8:13 AM, McBride, Mack  wrote:
> 
> Allocations, not IPs.  And yes if they are reasonably static an excel 
> spreadsheet can go higher.
> 
> Mack
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-bounces+c-mack.mcbride=charter@nanog.org] On 
> Behalf Of Scott Weeks
> Sent: Monday, June 11, 2018 2:40 PM
> To: nanog@nanog.org
> Subject: RE: What are people using for IPAM these days?
> 
> 
> 
> --- c-mack.mcbr...@charter.com wrote:
> From: "McBride, Mack" 
> 
> If you are managing more than a thousand IPs allocations spreadsheets are not 
> manageable for IPv4.
> -
> 
> 
> 
> I managed a /15, two /16s and several /24s (so, well 
> over a quarter million IPs) on a spreadsheet for years.  
> So, that's an 'it depends' answer.
> 
> scott
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RE: What are people using for IPAM these days?

[McBride, Mack]

Allocations, not IPs.  And yes if they are reasonably static an excel 
spreadsheet can go higher.

Mack

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--- c-mack.mcbr...@charter.com wrote:
From: "McBride, Mack" 

If you are managing more than a thousand IPs allocations spreadsheets are not 
manageable for IPv4.
-



I managed a /15, two /16s and several /24s (so, well 
over a quarter million IPs) on a spreadsheet for years.  
So, that's an 'it depends' answer.

scott
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Re: What are people using for IPAM these days?

[Brett Watson]

It’s some blood, sweat, and tears. I helped on a migration from IPPlan to 
Infoblox for a Fortune 5 company years ago, and it was a LOT of data, and it 
was painful. Lots of CSV exports and scripts to do conversions to get data in a 
state where it could be imported to Infoblox properly.

Ok, it wasn’t *that* horrible but it was a bit of a heavy lift. There’s no 
magic “import” button.

-b


> On Jun 11, 2018, at 3:41 PM, J  wrote:
> 
> I was hoping this would get answered more, too.
> 
> 
> 
> I did a migration to Infoblox from ipplan, just by trawling the database, and 
> figuring out some basic associations, but it heavily depends on how the data 
> was entered, and there's several gotchas anyway.  I was hoping there was 
> something more direct.
> 
> 
>  On Sun, 10 Jun 2018 17:04:16 -0500 Dermot Williams 
> dermot.willi...@imaginegroup.ie 
>  wrote 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Finding a decent, maintained IPAM is one thing, but migrating is another - do 
> any of these have an easy path from IPPlan? 
> 
> 
> 
> Thanks 
> 
> --- 
> 
> Dermot Williams 
> 
> Imagine Communications Group Ltd. 
> 
> 
> 
> On Jun 10 2018, at 10:36 pm, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via NANOG 
> nanog@nanog.org wrote: 
> 
>  
> 
>  One more open source option: 
> 
>  https://www.gestioip.net/  
> 
>  
> 
>  Regards, 
> 
>  Jordi 
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
>  -Mensaje original- 
> 
>  De: NANOG nanog-boun...@nanog.org 
>  en nombre de Job Snijders 
> j...@instituut.net  
> 
>  Fecha: domingo, 10 de junio de 2018, 23:01 
> 
>  Para: Mike Lyon mike.l...@gmail.com  
> 
>  CC: NANOG nanog@nanog.org  
> 
>  Asunto: Re: What are people using for IPAM these days? 
> 
>  
> 
>  Hey Mike, 
> 
>  On Sun, Jun 10, 2018 at 8:48 PM, Mike Lyon mike.l...@gmail.com 
> wrote: 
> 
>   Title says it all... Currently using IPPlan, but it is kinda 
> antiquated.. 
> 
>  
> 
>  This is always a good thing to review every 2-3 years or so. 
> 
>  My current favorites in the open source world are: 
> 
>  Netbox - https://github.com/digitalocean/netbox 
> 
>  NIPAP - http://spritelink.github.io/NIPAP/ 
> 
>  ed - http://man.openbsd.org/ed ;-) 
> 
>  
> 
>  Give a few of the IPAMs out there a chance and just see which one 
> 
>  suits your operational procedures best! (Though, using a spreadsheet 
> 
>  file on a shared network drive is still not recommended.) 
> 
>  
> 
>  Kind regards, 
> 
>  Job 
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
>  ** 
> 
>  IPv4 is over 
> 
>  Are you ready for the new Internet ? 
> 
>  http://www.consulintel.es  
> 
>  The IPv6 Company 
> 
>  
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Re: What are people using for IPAM these days?

[J]

I was hoping this would get answered more, too.



I did a migration to Infoblox from ipplan, just by trawling the database, and 
figuring out some basic associations, but it heavily depends on how the data 
was entered, and there's several gotchas anyway.  I was hoping there was 
something more direct.


 On Sun, 10 Jun 2018 17:04:16 -0500 Dermot Williams 
dermot.willi...@imaginegroup.ie wrote 




Finding a decent, maintained IPAM is one thing, but migrating is another - do 
any of these have an easy path from IPPlan? 

 

Thanks 

--- 

Dermot Williams 

Imagine Communications Group Ltd. 

 

On Jun 10 2018, at 10:36 pm, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via NANOG 
nanog@nanog.org wrote: 

 

 One more open source option: 

 https://www.gestioip.net/ 

 

 Regards, 

 Jordi 

 

 

 

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 De: NANOG nanog-boun...@nanog.org en nombre de Job Snijders 
j...@instituut.net 

 Fecha: domingo, 10 de junio de 2018, 23:01 

 Para: Mike Lyon mike.l...@gmail.com 

 CC: NANOG nanog@nanog.org 

 Asunto: Re: What are people using for IPAM these days? 

 

 Hey Mike, 

 On Sun, Jun 10, 2018 at 8:48 PM, Mike Lyon mike.l...@gmail.com 
wrote: 

  Title says it all... Currently using IPPlan, but it is kinda 
antiquated.. 

 

 This is always a good thing to review every 2-3 years or so. 

 My current favorites in the open source world are: 

 Netbox - https://github.com/digitalocean/netbox 

 NIPAP - http://spritelink.github.io/NIPAP/ 

 ed - http://man.openbsd.org/ed ;-) 

 

 Give a few of the IPAMs out there a chance and just see which one 

 suits your operational procedures best! (Though, using a spreadsheet 

 file on a shared network drive is still not recommended.) 

 

 Kind regards, 

 Job 

 

 

 

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 Are you ready for the new Internet ? 

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Re: What are people using for IPAM these days?

[Stacy Hughes]

I prefer 6Connect's ProVision tool as well.
https://www.6connect.com/ipam/ 

You can't beat it for ease of import, and management of your space.   Emphasis 
on ease and also accuracy.  The filtering options allow for faster lookups and 
add/delete customers and interfaces, very important when one is dealing with a 
global network.  Check it out!
Stacy
IP Goddess :)


> On Jun 11, 2018, at 12:18 PM, Brett Watson  wrote:
> 
> 
>> On Jun 11, 2018, at 9:31 AM, Patrick W. Gilmore  wrote:
>> 
>> While there are many good options, I prefer 6Connect personally. Lots of 
>> hooks to let you automate things (not just which device has which IP 
>> address, much more), cheap as hell, and support is unbeatable.
> 
> Indeed, 6connect is awesome. Infoblox is great but in this forum, I doubt 
> anyone will be using the DNS/DHCP and threat feed components of the platform 
> (it’s not built for very large provider space).
> 
> -b

Re: What are people using for IPAM these days?

[Aref Z]

+1 for phpipam here as well.
Allows decent amount of customization as well since code is opensource.
Used it in production for managing heavy amount of provisioning/testing.
Integrates with pdns well if required.



On Mon, Jun 11, 2018 at 12:07 PM Emille Blanc 
wrote:

> +1 for PHPIPAM.
> It's incredibly easy to modify and follow the code, and very lightweight.
> The simple import and export options make managing large blocks very easy
> for us.
>
> https://phpipam.net/
>
> -Original Message-
> From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Steve Mikulasik
> Sent: Monday, June 11, 2018 7:08 AM
> To: Mike Lyon; NANOG
> Subject: RE: What are people using for IPAM these days?
>
> PHPIpam, but I do find there to be a lack of current documentation.
>

RE: What are people using for IPAM these days?

[Scott Weeks]

--- c-mack.mcbr...@charter.com wrote:
From: "McBride, Mack" 

If you are managing more than a thousand IPs allocations 
spreadsheets are not manageable for IPv4.
-



I managed a /15, two /16s and several /24s (so, well 
over a quarter million IPs) on a spreadsheet for years.  
So, that's an 'it depends' answer.

scott

Re: What are people using for IPAM these days?

[Brett Watson]

> On Jun 11, 2018, at 9:31 AM, Patrick W. Gilmore  wrote:
> 
> While there are many good options, I prefer 6Connect personally. Lots of 
> hooks to let you automate things (not just which device has which IP address, 
> much more), cheap as hell, and support is unbeatable.

Indeed, 6connect is awesome. Infoblox is great but in this forum, I doubt 
anyone will be using the DNS/DHCP and threat feed components of the platform 
(it’s not built for very large provider space).

-b

Re: What are people using for IPAM these days?

[Patrick W. Gilmore]

While there are many good options, I prefer 6Connect personally. Lots of hooks 
to let you automate things (not just which device has which IP address, much 
more), cheap as hell, and support is unbeatable.

-- 
TTFN,
patrick

> On Jun 11, 2018, at 10:45, Owen DeLong  wrote:
> 
> I find lots of people are using either 6connect or InfoBlox.
> 
> YMMV. Both have good IPv6 support.
> 
> Owen
> 
> 
>> On Jun 11, 2018, at 07:07 , Steve Mikulasik  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> PHPIpam, but I do find there to be a lack of current documentation.

RE: What are people using for IPAM these days?

[Emille Blanc]

+1 for PHPIPAM.
It's incredibly easy to modify and follow the code, and very lightweight.
The simple import and export options make managing large blocks very easy for 
us.

https://phpipam.net/

-Original Message-
From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Steve Mikulasik
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2018 7:08 AM
To: Mike Lyon; NANOG
Subject: RE: What are people using for IPAM these days?

PHPIpam, but I do find there to be a lack of current documentation.

RE: What are people using for IPAM these days?

[McBride, Mack]

Using BT Diamond IPControl.
For a larger provider with a lot of blocks and multiple groups using IP space 
you can't beat it.
It has a lot of enterprise features that others lack such as automation 
call-outs and overlapping space allocations.
If you can afford it, you will not go wrong.  It really is the great.

I have also worked with spreadsheets, homegrown systems, 6connect and a few 
others.
If you are managing more than a thousand IPs allocations spreadsheets are not 
manageable for IPv4.
Structured IPv6 can be managed out of spreadsheets with little to no issues 
well beyond that since it is structured.

6connect is better than infoblox in my opinion but everyone has a different 
style of IP management.
If you are going for free or low cost there are plenty out there but they don't 
have the features of more expensive options.

+1 for a generic number management system, but I haven't seen such a thing.

Mack



-Original Message-
From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-boun...@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Owen DeLong
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2018 8:45 AM
To: Steve Mikulasik 
Cc: NANOG 
Subject: Re: What are people using for IPAM these days?

I find lots of people are using either 6connect or InfoBlox.

YMMV. Both have good IPv6 support.

Owen


> On Jun 11, 2018, at 07:07 , Steve Mikulasik  wrote:
> 
> PHPIpam, but I do find there to be a lack of current documentation.

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Re: What are people using for IPAM these days?

[Owen DeLong]

I find lots of people are using either 6connect or InfoBlox.

YMMV. Both have good IPv6 support.

Owen


> On Jun 11, 2018, at 07:07 , Steve Mikulasik  wrote:
> 
> PHPIpam, but I do find there to be a lack of current documentation.

RE: What are people using for IPAM these days?

[Steve Mikulasik]

PHPIpam, but I do find there to be a lack of current documentation.

Re: What are people using for IPAM these days?

[Dermot Williams]

Finding a decent, maintained IPAM is one thing, but migrating is another - do 
any of these have an easy path from IPPlan?

Thanks
---
Dermot Williams
Imagine Communications Group Ltd.

On Jun 10 2018, at 10:36 pm, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via NANOG  
wrote:
>
> One more open source option:
> https://www.gestioip.net/
>
> Regards,
> Jordi
>
>
>
> -Mensaje original-
> De: NANOG  en nombre de Job Snijders 
> 
> Fecha: domingo, 10 de junio de 2018, 23:01
> Para: Mike Lyon 
> CC: NANOG 
> Asunto: Re: What are people using for IPAM these days?
>
> Hey Mike,
> On Sun, Jun 10, 2018 at 8:48 PM, Mike Lyon  wrote:
> > Title says it all... Currently using IPPlan, but it is kinda antiquated..
>
> This is always a good thing to review every 2-3 years or so.
> My current favorites in the open source world are:
> Netbox - https://github.com/digitalocean/netbox
> NIPAP - http://spritelink.github.io/NIPAP/
> ed - http://man.openbsd.org/ed ;-)
>
> Give a few of the IPAMs out there a chance and just see which one
> suits your operational procedures best! (Though, using a spreadsheet
> file on a shared network drive is still not recommended.)
>
> Kind regards,
> Job
>
>
>
> **
> IPv4 is over
> Are you ready for the new Internet ?
> http://www.consulintel.es
> The IPv6 Company
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Re: What are people using for IPAM these days?

[Daniel Corbe]

+1 for Netbox.

at 4:56 PM, Justin Seabrook-Rocha  wrote:

Netbox (https://github.com/digitalocean/netbox  
) is our choice. Can be  
completely API driven, has a lot of DCIM type functionality as well.


Justin Seabrook-Rocha
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On Jun 10, 2018, at 13:48, Mike Lyon  wrote:

Title says it all... Currently using IPPlan, but it is kinda antiquated..

Thanks,
Mike

--
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mike.l...@gmail.com
http://www.linkedin.com/in/mlyon

Re: What are people using for IPAM these days?

[Alex S.]

Solarwinds IPAM is our choice primarily since we use their other
suites/modules already

On Sun, Jun 10, 2018 at 16:50 Mike Lyon  wrote:

> Title says it all... Currently using IPPlan, but it is kinda antiquated..
>
> Thanks,
> Mike
>
> --
> Mike Lyon
> mike.l...@gmail.com
> http://www.linkedin.com/in/mlyon
>

Re: What are people using for IPAM these days?

[Martin Hannigan]

Literally for years, I managed a /9 and a v6 /26 in a text file checked
into a vanilla source code control system. Sophistication need depends on
your frequency of updates, dynamic allocations and regulatory needs ( read
RIR). For low turn over assignments, you may not need much.

The options Job and Jordi point to are good. The open source options are
always a go to IMHO. YMMV.

Best Regards,

-M<

On Sun, Jun 10, 2018 at 17:38 JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via NANOG <
nanog@nanog.org> wrote:

> One more open source option:
>
> https://www.gestioip.net/
>
>
> Regards,
> Jordi
>
>
>
> -Mensaje original-
> De: NANOG  en nombre de Job Snijders <
> j...@instituut.net>
> Fecha: domingo, 10 de junio de 2018, 23:01
> Para: Mike Lyon 
> CC: NANOG 
> Asunto: Re: What are people using for IPAM these days?
>
> Hey Mike,
>
> On Sun, Jun 10, 2018 at 8:48 PM, Mike Lyon 
> wrote:
> > Title says it all... Currently using IPPlan, but it is kinda
> antiquated..
>
> This is always a good thing to review every 2-3 years or so.
>
> My current favorites in the open source world are:
>
> Netbox - https://github.com/digitalocean/netbox
> NIPAP - http://spritelink.github.io/NIPAP/
> ed - http://man.openbsd.org/ed ;-)
>
> Give a few of the IPAMs out there a chance and just see which one
> suits your operational procedures best! (Though, using a spreadsheet
> file on a shared network drive is still not recommended.)
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Job
>
>
>
>
> **
> IPv4 is over
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> http://www.consulintel.es
> The IPv6 Company
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Re: What are people using for IPAM these days?

[krux]

+1 for Netbox.

On Sun, Jun 10, 2018 at 1:56 PM, Justin Seabrook-Rocha 
wrote:

> Netbox (https://github.com/digitalocean/netbox  digitalocean/netbox>) is our choice. Can be completely API driven, has a
> lot of DCIM type functionality as well.
>
> Justin Seabrook-Rocha
> --
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>
>
>
> > On Jun 10, 2018, at 13:48, Mike Lyon  wrote:
> >
> > Title says it all... Currently using IPPlan, but it is kinda antiquated..
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Mike
> >
> > --
> > Mike Lyon
> > mike.l...@gmail.com
> > http://www.linkedin.com/in/mlyon
>
>


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Re: What are people using for IPAM these days?

[Saku Ytti]

On 10 June 2018 at 23:56, Job Snijders  wrote:

> Netbox - https://github.com/digitalocean/netbox
> NIPAP - http://spritelink.github.io/NIPAP/
> ed - http://man.openbsd.org/ed ;-)

I think lot of these are missed opportunities. There shouldn't really
be IPAM, there should number management system, where number
presentation, range and such are plugins. So IPv4, IPv6 are just small
plugins to the generic system. Just the same you could add RT, RD,
VLAN, Interface, PseudowireID, PVC etc allocator as separate plugin,
fully leveraging the generic infrastructure and UX. Over time the
plugin infra would be extended, and as API/UX gains features, all
number systems get them for free.

-- 
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Re: What are people using for IPAM these days?

[JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via NANOG]

One more open source option:

https://www.gestioip.net/


Regards,
Jordi
 
 

-Mensaje original-
De: NANOG  en nombre de Job Snijders 

Fecha: domingo, 10 de junio de 2018, 23:01
Para: Mike Lyon 
CC: NANOG 
Asunto: Re: What are people using for IPAM these days?

Hey Mike,

On Sun, Jun 10, 2018 at 8:48 PM, Mike Lyon  wrote:
> Title says it all... Currently using IPPlan, but it is kinda antiquated..

This is always a good thing to review every 2-3 years or so.

My current favorites in the open source world are:

Netbox - https://github.com/digitalocean/netbox
NIPAP - http://spritelink.github.io/NIPAP/
ed - http://man.openbsd.org/ed ;-)

Give a few of the IPAMs out there a chance and just see which one
suits your operational procedures best! (Though, using a spreadsheet
file on a shared network drive is still not recommended.)

Kind regards,

Job




**
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Re: What are people using for IPAM these days?

[Alex Brooks]

On Sun, 10 Jun 2018 at 21:50, Mike Lyon  wrote:
>
> Title says it all... Currently using IPPlan, but it is kinda antiquated..


I am told by someone who has used it that Diamond IP is fantastic
(https://www.globalservices.bt.com/btfederal/en/products/diamondip).
But good luck getting your jaw off the floor after they tell you the
price.

Alex

Re: What are people using for IPAM these days?

[Mann, Jason]

We use InfoBlox for IPAM but we also use InfoBlox for DHCP and DNS

From: NANOG  on behalf of Justin Seabrook-Rocha 

Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2018 2:56 PM
To: Mike Lyon
Cc: NANOG
Subject: Re: What are people using for IPAM these days?

Netbox 
(https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fdigitalocean%2Fnetbox=02%7C01%7Cjamann%40mt.gov%7C4261548f80004456897b08d5cf14f3d8%7C07a94c98f30f4abbbd7ed63f8720dc02%7C0%7C1%7C636642611262992679=RRaNVW3sWTYFDsVR8V5hdDd7EXde1TOq1KEBbUCM3yY%3D=0
 
)
 is our choice. Can be completely API driven, has a lot of DCIM type 
functionality as well.

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> On Jun 10, 2018, at 13:48, Mike Lyon  wrote:
>
> Title says it all... Currently using IPPlan, but it is kinda antiquated..
>
> Thanks,
> Mike
>
> --
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> mike.l...@gmail.com
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Re: What are people using for IPAM these days?

[Sam Oduor]

Many options available -

1. DNSBOX - does IPAM, DHCP and DNS Management, thinking of those RDNS.

2. Infloblox - relatively same as (1) difference being cost

3. A couple of open source vendors - netbox, phpIPAM,

List never runs out - Solarwinds too has an IPAM feature.

On Sun, Jun 10, 2018 at 11:48 PM, Mike Lyon  wrote:

> Title says it all... Currently using IPPlan, but it is kinda antiquated..
>
> Thanks,
> Mike
>
> --
> Mike Lyon
> mike.l...@gmail.com
> http://www.linkedin.com/in/mlyon
>



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Re: What are people using for IPAM these days?

[Job Snijders]

Hey Mike,

On Sun, Jun 10, 2018 at 8:48 PM, Mike Lyon  wrote:
> Title says it all... Currently using IPPlan, but it is kinda antiquated..

This is always a good thing to review every 2-3 years or so.

My current favorites in the open source world are:

Netbox - https://github.com/digitalocean/netbox
NIPAP - http://spritelink.github.io/NIPAP/
ed - http://man.openbsd.org/ed ;-)

Give a few of the IPAMs out there a chance and just see which one
suits your operational procedures best! (Though, using a spreadsheet
file on a shared network drive is still not recommended.)

Kind regards,

Job

Re: What are people using for IPAM these days?

[Justin Seabrook-Rocha]

Netbox (https://github.com/digitalocean/netbox 
) is our choice. Can be completely API 
driven, has a lot of DCIM type functionality as well.

Justin Seabrook-Rocha
-- 
Xenith || xen...@xenith.org || http://xenith.org/



> On Jun 10, 2018, at 13:48, Mike Lyon  wrote:
> 
> Title says it all... Currently using IPPlan, but it is kinda antiquated..
> 
> Thanks,
> Mike
> 
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