RE: Trouble accessing www.nanog.org
There is video hosting web sites on the intertubes? Now where would those be found, I wonder. All I have ever seen is macro-streaming that is fraudulently labeled and advertised as video -- the worst being something called FlashVirus, which was written by a company called MacroVirus Media or something like that, and currently owned and flogged by Adobe along with their Proprietary Document Format (the latest versions of which boast UVTD technology -- Unstoppable Virus Transport and Distribution). If the so-called video contains arbitrary executable code (or can run arbitrary executable code), or requires the use of a specific application to play (or infect the target), then it should not be described as video. It is a streaming-macro. Microsoft was the first OS vendor to add the Execute Payload header to IP which saved much time and effort in the distribution of malicious code via the internet. Unfortunatly, Adobe and several other vendors have patents on what is called the method of Executable Data and made Microsoft remove their wonderous invention under pain of patent lawsuits. Of course, maybe whats meant is File hosting, where the File being hosted just happens to contain video data in standard data format (preferably a pure-data format that does not embed execution macros of any type). ;) --- () ascii ribbon campaign against html e-mail /\ www.asciiribbon.org -Original Message- From: Christopher Morrow [mailto:morrowc.li...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, 04 January, 2012 20:47 To: Michael K. Smith - Adhost Cc: bmann...@vacation.karoshi.com; Wessels, Duane; nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: Trouble accessing www.nanog.org On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 10:41 PM, Michael K. Smith - Adhost mksm...@adhost.com wrote: Err, while we're talking about video files and nanog, why is the video content still served off (stored content I mean) nanog.org servers? Why not use one of the many video serving services? some of which are free even :) (that part's not a troll, a real question, even!) -chris The website work hasn't yet begun, so that is certainly still on the table. If you would like to volunteer some of your time... I'm sure we could arrange some process to ingest videos to some form of video-hosting-website... a videotubes site let's say. who should I chat with?
Re: Trouble accessing www.nanog.org
On Thu, Jan 5, 2012 at 4:51 AM, Keith Medcalf kmedc...@dessus.com wrote: There is video hosting web sites on the intertubes? Now where would those be found, I wonder. All I have ever seen is macro-streaming that is fraudulently labeled and advertised as video -- the worst being something called FlashVirus, which was written by a company called MacroVirus Media or something like that, and currently owned and flogged by Adobe along with their Proprietary Document Format (the latest versions of which boast UVTD technology -- Unstoppable Virus Transport and Distribution). If the so-called video contains arbitrary executable code (or can run arbitrary executable code), or requires the use of a specific application to play (or infect the target), then it should not be described as video. It is a streaming-macro. Is H.264 Turing-complete ? Is Ogg-Vorbis ? (It seems like those are the two reasonable open standard choices.)) Regards Marshall Microsoft was the first OS vendor to add the Execute Payload header to IP which saved much time and effort in the distribution of malicious code via the internet. Unfortunatly, Adobe and several other vendors have patents on what is called the method of Executable Data and made Microsoft remove their wonderous invention under pain of patent lawsuits. Of course, maybe whats meant is File hosting, where the File being hosted just happens to contain video data in standard data format (preferably a pure-data format that does not embed execution macros of any type). ;) --- () ascii ribbon campaign against html e-mail /\ www.asciiribbon.org -Original Message- From: Christopher Morrow [mailto:morrowc.li...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, 04 January, 2012 20:47 To: Michael K. Smith - Adhost Cc: bmann...@vacation.karoshi.com; Wessels, Duane; nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: Trouble accessing www.nanog.org On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 10:41 PM, Michael K. Smith - Adhost mksm...@adhost.com wrote: Err, while we're talking about video files and nanog, why is the video content still served off (stored content I mean) nanog.org servers? Why not use one of the many video serving services? some of which are free even :) (that part's not a troll, a real question, even!) -chris The website work hasn't yet begun, so that is certainly still on the table. If you would like to volunteer some of your time... I'm sure we could arrange some process to ingest videos to some form of video-hosting-website... a videotubes site let's say. who should I chat with?
RE: Trouble accessing www.nanog.org
--- () ascii ribbon campaign against html e-mail /\ www.asciiribbon.org On Thursday, 05 January, 2012 08:30, Marshall Eubanks said: On Thu, Jan 5, 2012 at 4:51 AM, Keith Medcalf kmedc...@dessus.com wrote: There is video hosting web sites on the intertubes? Now where would those be found, I wonder. All I have ever seen is macro- streaming that is fraudulently labeled and advertised as video -- the worst being something called FlashVirus, which was written by a company called MacroVirus Media or something like that, and currently owned and flogged by Adobe along with their Proprietary Document Format (the latest versions of which boast UVTD technology -- Unstoppable Virus Transport and Distribution). If the so-called video contains arbitrary executable code (or can run arbitrary executable code), or requires the use of a specific application to play (or infect the target), then it should not be described as video. It is a streaming-macro. Is H.264 Turing-complete ? Is Ogg-Vorbis ? (It seems like those are the two reasonable open standard choices.)) Okay by me. Just no Flash Video Streams if you please. Regards Marshall Microsoft was the first OS vendor to add the Execute Payload header to IP which saved much time and effort in the distribution of malicious code via the internet. Unfortunatly, Adobe and several other vendors have patents on what is called the method of Executable Data and made Microsoft remove their wonderous invention under pain of patent lawsuits. Of course, maybe whats meant is File hosting, where the File being hosted just happens to contain video data in standard data format (preferably a pure-data format that does not embed execution macros of any type). ;) --- () ascii ribbon campaign against html e-mail /\ www.asciiribbon.org -Original Message- From: Christopher Morrow [mailto:morrowc.li...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, 04 January, 2012 20:47 To: Michael K. Smith - Adhost Cc: bmann...@vacation.karoshi.com; Wessels, Duane; nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: Trouble accessing www.nanog.org On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 10:41 PM, Michael K. Smith - Adhost mksm...@adhost.com wrote: Err, while we're talking about video files and nanog, why is the video content still served off (stored content I mean) nanog.org servers? Why not use one of the many video serving services? some of which are free even :) (that part's not a troll, a real question, even!) -chris The website work hasn't yet begun, so that is certainly still on the table. If you would like to volunteer some of your time... I'm sure we could arrange some process to ingest videos to some form of video-hosting-website... a videotubes site let's say. who should I chat with?
Re: Trouble accessing www.nanog.org
On Thu, Jan 5, 2012 at 8:21 PM, Keith Medcalf kmedc...@dessus.com wrote: --- () ascii ribbon campaign against html e-mail /\ www.asciiribbon.org On Thursday, 05 January, 2012 08:30, Marshall Eubanks said: On Thu, Jan 5, 2012 at 4:51 AM, Keith Medcalf kmedc...@dessus.com wrote: There is video hosting web sites on the intertubes? Now where would those be found, I wonder. All I have ever seen is macro- streaming that is fraudulently labeled and advertised as video -- the worst being something called FlashVirus, which was written by a company called MacroVirus Media or something like that, and currently owned and flogged by Adobe along with their Proprietary Document Format (the latest versions of which boast UVTD technology -- Unstoppable Virus Transport and Distribution). If the so-called video contains arbitrary executable code (or can run arbitrary executable code), or requires the use of a specific application to play (or infect the target), then it should not be described as video. It is a streaming-macro. Is H.264 Turing-complete ? Is Ogg-Vorbis ? (It seems like those are the two reasonable open standard choices.)) Okay by me. Just no Flash Video Streams if you please. FWIW many of the big video hosting sites have this option now, and many send an appropriate format for the browser being used: http://www.youtube.com/html5 http://www.dailymotion.com/html5 http://vimeo.com/blog:268 http://blip.tv/html5/ http://www.archive.org/details/Html5DemoVideo Alex
Re: Trouble accessing www.nanog.org
On Thu, Jan 5, 2012 at 3:21 PM, Keith Medcalf kmedc...@dessus.com wrote: Is H.264 Turing-complete ? Is Ogg-Vorbis ? (It seems like those are the two reasonable open standard choices.)) Okay by me. Just no Flash Video Streams if you please. what about html5?
Trouble accessing www.nanog.org
Is anyone else having trouble accessing www.nanog.org. I can ping the site but don't get any response from HTTP requests. -- Ron Bonica vcard: www.bonica.org/ron/ronbonica.vcf
Re: Trouble accessing www.nanog.org
works for me
Re: Trouble accessing www.nanog.org
I was seeing the same problem, but it seems to be working now. On Jan 4, 2012, at 11:09 AM, Andrew D Kirch wrote: works for me
Re: Trouble accessing www.nanog.org
Works for me as well : I will check to see if there was some interruption in service and report as warranted. Betty On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 11:09 AM, Andrew D Kirch trel...@trelane.net wrote: works for me -- Betty Burke NewNOG/NANOG Executive Director Office (810) 214-1218 Direct (510) 492-4030
Re: Trouble accessing www.nanog.org
The brief problem in accessing www.nanog.org was due to numerous parallel downloads of a large video file by a single source IP address. We have no reason to believe it was malicious in intent, but the offender has been blocked anyway. Anyone from AS37986 around? Duane W.
RE: Trouble accessing www.nanog.org
From: Wessels, Duane [mailto:dwess...@verisign.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2012 1:41 PM Subject: Re: Trouble accessing www.nanog.org The brief problem in accessing www.nanog.org was due to numerous parallel downloads of a large video file by a single source IP address. We have no reason to believe it was malicious in intent, but the offender has been blocked anyway. [WEG] In the lovely CGN future, not only will you see this type of behavior (multiple pulls from the same IP) all of the time, your response to block it would have taken tens or hundreds of users out of service simultaneously. /troll Not meant to fault your response, merely to point out yet one more way that CGN is likely to break things where an assumption of 1 IP = 1 user/host/network exists. Wes George This E-mail and any of its attachments may contain Time Warner Cable proprietary information, which is privileged, confidential, or subject to copyright belonging to Time Warner Cable. This E-mail is intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed. If you are not the intended recipient of this E-mail, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, copying, or action taken in relation to the contents of and attachments to this E-mail is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this E-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately and permanently delete the original and any copy of this E-mail and any printout.
Re: Trouble accessing www.nanog.org
On Wed, Jan 04, 2012 at 03:10:13PM -0500, George, Wes wrote: From: Wessels, Duane [mailto:dwess...@verisign.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2012 1:41 PM Subject: Re: Trouble accessing www.nanog.org The brief problem in accessing www.nanog.org was due to numerous parallel downloads of a large video file by a single source IP address. We have no reason to believe it was malicious in intent, but the offender has been blocked anyway. [WEG] In the lovely CGN future, not only will you see this type of behavior (multiple pulls from the same IP) all of the time, your response to block it would have taken tens or hundreds of users out of service simultaneously. /troll Not meant to fault your response, merely to point out yet one more way that CGN is likely to break things where an assumption of 1 IP = 1 user/host/network exists. Wes George Hum... thats not how I read Duanes response at all.. I thought they blocked the (excessively) large video file from download... :) /bill
Re: Trouble accessing www.nanog.org
Le mercredi 04 janvier 2012 à 20:18 +, bmann...@vacation.karoshi.com a écrit : On Wed, Jan 04, 2012 at 03:10:13PM -0500, George, Wes wrote: From: Wessels, Duane [mailto:dwess...@verisign.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2012 1:41 PM Subject: Re: Trouble accessing www.nanog.org The brief problem in accessing www.nanog.org was due to numerous parallel downloads of a large video file by a single source IP address. We have no reason to believe it was malicious in intent, but the offender has been blocked anyway. [WEG] In the lovely CGN future, not only will you see this type of behavior (multiple pulls from the same IP) all of the time, your response to block it would have taken tens or hundreds of users out of service simultaneously. /troll Not meant to fault your response, merely to point out yet one more way that CGN is likely to break things where an assumption of 1 IP = 1 user/host/network exists. Wes George Hum... thats not how I read Duanes response at all.. I thought they blocked the (excessively) large video file from download... :) Depends of how we (are supposed to) interpret ``the offender has been blocked anyway'' :) Cheers, mh /bill
RE: Trouble accessing www.nanog.org
-Original Message- From: Michael Hallgren [mailto:m.hallg...@free.fr] Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2012 1:11 PM To: bmann...@vacation.karoshi.com Cc: Wessels, Duane; nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: Trouble accessing www.nanog.org Le mercredi 04 janvier 2012 à 20:18 +, bmann...@vacation.karoshi.com a écrit : On Wed, Jan 04, 2012 at 03:10:13PM -0500, George, Wes wrote: From: Wessels, Duane [mailto:dwess...@verisign.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2012 1:41 PM Subject: Re: Trouble accessing www.nanog.org The brief problem in accessing www.nanog.org was due to numerous parallel downloads of a large video file by a single source IP address. We have no reason to believe it was malicious in intent, but the offender has been blocked anyway. [WEG] In the lovely CGN future, not only will you see this type of behavior (multiple pulls from the same IP) all of the time, your response to block it would have taken tens or hundreds of users out of service simultaneously. /troll Not meant to fault your response, merely to point out yet one more way that CGN is likely to break things where an assumption of 1 IP = 1 user/host/network exists. Wes George Hum... thats not how I read Duanes response at all.. I thought they blocked the (excessively) large video file from download... :) Depends of how we (are supposed to) interpret ``the offender has been blocked anyway'' :) Cheers, mh /bill There was a single source IP with 200+ open, active http connections to a single large media file. The single IP address was blocked. The file itself is still available on the site. Mike
Re: Trouble accessing www.nanog.org
On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 6:10 PM, Michael K. Smith - Adhost mksm...@adhost.com wrote: There was a single source IP with 200+ open, active http connections to a single large media file. The single IP address was blocked. The file itself is still available on the site. oh! so the 200 or so users on tulip.net that were downloading nanog content were blocked, bummer :( /troll-mode=on Err, while we're talking about video files and nanog, why is the video content still served off (stored content I mean) nanog.org servers? Why not use one of the many video serving services? some of which are free even :) (that part's not a troll, a real question, even!) -chris
Re: Trouble accessing www.nanog.org
On Jan 4, 2012, at 7:36 PM, Christopher Morrow wrote: On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 6:10 PM, Michael K. Smith - Adhost mksm...@adhost.com wrote: There was a single source IP with 200+ open, active http connections to a single large media file. The single IP address was blocked. The file itself is still available on the site. oh! so the 200 or so users on tulip.net that were downloading nanog content were blocked, bummer :( /troll-mode=on And now if everyone would open their laptop and go to the following address… Err, while we're talking about video files and nanog, why is the video content still served off (stored content I mean) nanog.org servers? Why not use one of the many video serving services? some of which are free even :) (that part's not a troll, a real question, even!) -chris The website work hasn't yet begun, so that is certainly still on the table. If you would like to volunteer some of your time… Mike
Re: Trouble accessing www.nanog.org
On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 10:41 PM, Michael K. Smith - Adhost mksm...@adhost.com wrote: Err, while we're talking about video files and nanog, why is the video content still served off (stored content I mean) nanog.org servers? Why not use one of the many video serving services? some of which are free even :) (that part's not a troll, a real question, even!) -chris The website work hasn't yet begun, so that is certainly still on the table. If you would like to volunteer some of your time… I'm sure we could arrange some process to ingest videos to some form of video-hosting-website... a videotubes site let's say. who should I chat with?
Re: Trouble accessing www.nanog.org
going offlist Mike On Jan 4, 2012, at 7:47 PM, Christopher Morrow wrote: On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 10:41 PM, Michael K. Smith - Adhost mksm...@adhost.com wrote: Err, while we're talking about video files and nanog, why is the video content still served off (stored content I mean) nanog.org servers? Why not use one of the many video serving services? some of which are free even :) (that part's not a troll, a real question, even!) -chris The website work hasn't yet begun, so that is certainly still on the table. If you would like to volunteer some of your time… I'm sure we could arrange some process to ingest videos to some form of video-hosting-website... a videotubes site let's say. who should I chat with? -- Michael K. Smith - CISSP, GSEC, GISP Chief Technical Officer - Adhost Internet LLC mksm...@adhost.com w: +1 (206) 404-9500 f: +1 (206) 404-9050 PGP: B49A DDF5 8611 27F3 08B9 84BB E61E 38C0 (Key ID: 0x9A96777D)
