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I am as amused by antispam efforts as anyone, but can we stay on list topic? George William Herbert Sent from my iPhone On Jun 13, 2012, at 19:39, Owen DeLong wrote: > > > Sent from my iPad > > On Jun 13, 2012, at 9:01 PM, Joe Greco wrote: > >>> A trick to do on mail (USPS) spammers is take the prepaid mailing = >>> envelope they often include and tape it to a brick wrapped in brown = >>> paper and drop it off at the post office. They have to pay the shipping. = >>> If enough people do it, they go out of business. >> >> That's simply false; local postmasters have had the discretion to discard >> your bricks for years, AND THEY DO. >> > > Yes... Bricks don't work any more. You have to get more creative. > > http://www.dogdoo.com offers a selection of products ideally suited for this > purpose. > >>> In this case, do anything you can to waste his time and resources. Call = >>> up and act interested in his services and have them go through their = >>> sales pitch as many times as you can. Ask for them to mail you = >>> literature. Have them write up proposals and quotes. Then when the last = >>> step left is to actually commit to their service tell them you were just = >>> pulling their chain, and why. If you eat up enough of their time they = >>> end up attending to too few real paying customers and they go out of = >>> business. >> >> But that, on the other hand ... >> > > Not mutually exclusive. > > Owen > >
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Sent from my iPad On Jun 13, 2012, at 9:01 PM, Joe Greco wrote: >> A trick to do on mail (USPS) spammers is take the prepaid mailing = >> envelope they often include and tape it to a brick wrapped in brown = >> paper and drop it off at the post office. They have to pay the shipping. = >> If enough people do it, they go out of business. > > That's simply false; local postmasters have had the discretion to discard > your bricks for years, AND THEY DO. > Yes... Bricks don't work any more. You have to get more creative. http://www.dogdoo.com offers a selection of products ideally suited for this purpose. >> In this case, do anything you can to waste his time and resources. Call = >> up and act interested in his services and have them go through their = >> sales pitch as many times as you can. Ask for them to mail you = >> literature. Have them write up proposals and quotes. Then when the last = >> step left is to actually commit to their service tell them you were just = >> pulling their chain, and why. If you eat up enough of their time they = >> end up attending to too few real paying customers and they go out of = >> business. > > But that, on the other hand ... > Not mutually exclusive. Owen
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> A trick to do on mail (USPS) spammers is take the prepaid mailing = > envelope they often include and tape it to a brick wrapped in brown = > paper and drop it off at the post office. They have to pay the shipping. = > If enough people do it, they go out of business. That's simply false; local postmasters have had the discretion to discard your bricks for years, AND THEY DO. > In this case, do anything you can to waste his time and resources. Call = > up and act interested in his services and have them go through their = > sales pitch as many times as you can. Ask for them to mail you = > literature. Have them write up proposals and quotes. Then when the last = > step left is to actually commit to their service tell them you were just = > pulling their chain, and why. If you eat up enough of their time they = > end up attending to too few real paying customers and they go out of = > business. But that, on the other hand ... ... JG -- Joe Greco - sol.net Network Services - Milwaukee, WI - http://www.sol.net "We call it the 'one bite at the apple' rule. Give me one chance [and] then I won't contact you again." - Direct Marketing Ass'n position on e-mail spam(CNN) With 24 million small businesses in the US alone, that's way too many apples.
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A trick to do on mail (USPS) spammers is take the prepaid mailing envelope they often include and tape it to a brick wrapped in brown paper and drop it off at the post office. They have to pay the shipping. If enough people do it, they go out of business. In this case, do anything you can to waste his time and resources. Call up and act interested in his services and have them go through their sales pitch as many times as you can. Ask for them to mail you literature. Have them write up proposals and quotes. Then when the last step left is to actually commit to their service tell them you were just pulling their chain, and why. If you eat up enough of their time they end up attending to too few real paying customers and they go out of business. Greg On Jun 13, 2012, at 5:35 PM, Randy Bush wrote: > NANOG, i strongly desire to restrain this slimeball idiot's trade. > please tell me if you have any ideas on how to do so. > > --- > >> Be advised that Im following your posts and have your threating >> messages to me. If there is an ddos or restraint of trade due to my >> ACCIDENTAL email I'll escalate to commerce and FBI. > > LOL. you are not only a slimeball (who the ietf and nanog admins are > scraping out), but an idiot. > > but do please tell me how i can restrain your trade. would love to > discuss your spam with the DoC and FBI. > > randy >
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On 6/13/2012 3:05 PM, Randy Bush wrote: NANOG, i strongly desire to restrain this slimeball idiot's trade. please tell me if you have any ideas on how to do so. I have plenty of ideas. Unfortunately, I am not permitted to do those things. I promise it would not be painful, though. I'm not cruel, just methodical. Be advised that Im following your posts and have your threating messages to me. If there is an ddos or restraint of trade due to my ACCIDENTAL email I'll escalate to commerce and FBI. LOL. you are not only a slimeball (who the ietf and nanog admins are scraping out), but an idiot. but do please tell me how i can restrain your trade. would love to discuss your spam with the DoC and FBI. Of the many, many subscribers here on the list, I gently point out to the moh-ron in question that there are any number of current and former members of various federal agencies *also* following the list. Oh, dearest slimeball, be careful what you wish for. Not said in jest. What the heck, at least it isn't yet another interminable discussion of ebay and amazon spam. -- Start wearing purple wearing purple Start wearing purple for me now All your sanity and wits they will all vanish I promise, it's just a matter of time...
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Folks, This content is great .. for another list. I know you're not happy with receiving unsolicited mail, and yes, it's likely your addresses were scraped from either the mailing list itself or various archives that are kept, but this list is not the best place to discuss this. Please refrain from these types of discussions on the NANOG mailing list. We are doing everything in our power to keep the list on-topic and stop abuse when we see it. We don't take situations like this lightly. Thank you all in advance and if you have any issue with this, please contact me or the Communications Committee directly. Regards, Randy Epstein Acting Chair, NANOG CC
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Don't get me wrong, I greatly dislike spam, but next thing you know it will be against the law to send packets to someone you don't have consent from... or hand out pamphlets / talk to someone on the street you don't have consent from... I figure the solution here that fits with the best interests of the people, or really with any internet problem, is a defensive or cryptographic one; instead of an offensive or law-based punitive solution. e.g. Requiring proof-of-work headers for email that doesn't want a speedy descent into /dev/null
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In message <4fd91056.3030...@foobar.org>, Nick Hilliard writes: > >> Be advised that Im following your posts and have your threating > >> messages to me. If there is an ddos or restraint of trade due to my > >> ACCIDENTAL email I'll escalate to commerce and FBI. > > 1. spam a big pile of network operators > 2. threaten legals on aforementioned prospective customers > 3. profit!!11!! > > awesome. > > Nick Complain to you Congress and House Representatives that CAN-SPAM is too unbalanced. The current US law lets you get away with single shots. It should be a offence to send to someone you don't have consent from. Look at the Australian SPAM act for a more balanced act. As long as US law allows companies to harvest addresses and send to them this sort of thing will continue to happen. Mark -- Mark Andrews, ISC 1 Seymour St., Dundas Valley, NSW 2117, Australia PHONE: +61 2 9871 4742 INTERNET: ma...@isc.org
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Accidental, he didn't mean to get caught :) On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 7:10 PM, Richard Golodner wrote: > On Thu, 2012-06-14 at 07:05 +0900, >> ACCIDENTAL email > > How can my company get six accidental emails? Not even an idiot sends > six emails by mistake. > > Spammertechnology labs is more like it. > >
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>> Be advised that Im following your posts and have your threating >> messages to me. If there is an ddos or restraint of trade due to my >> ACCIDENTAL email I'll escalate to commerce and FBI. 1. spam a big pile of network operators 2. threaten legals on aforementioned prospective customers 3. profit!!11!! awesome. Nick
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On Thu, 2012-06-14 at 07:05 +0900, > ACCIDENTAL email How can my company get six accidental emails? Not even an idiot sends six emails by mistake. Spammertechnology labs is more like it.
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NANOG, i strongly desire to restrain this slimeball idiot's trade. please tell me if you have any ideas on how to do so. --- > Be advised that Im following your posts and have your threating > messages to me. If there is an ddos or restraint of trade due to my > ACCIDENTAL email I'll escalate to commerce and FBI. LOL. you are not only a slimeball (who the ietf and nanog admins are scraping out), but an idiot. but do please tell me how i can restrain your trade. would love to discuss your spam with the DoC and FBI. randy
