AUP modification - full first and last names
Currently, NANOG AUP states: 7. Postings to the list must be made using real, identifiable names and addresses, rather than aliases. Occasionally, posters don't put in their full names (using either only first name or last name) and get a nice email from mlc asking them to please use their full name. It isn't very clear that using just first or last name is insufficient. The purpose is to ensure that community knows who posters are - we don't need any more n3td3vs or similar. However, just using [EMAIL PROTECTED] is (in my opinion) not with the spirit of the policy. MLC suggests to change the AUP to: 7. Postings to the list must be made using real, identifiable first and last names, rather than aliases. (I think address is superfluous here - by definition email address is identifiable and real). I'd like community feedback on this. Thanks! -alex
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I would suggest that in the community of 10,000 email subscribers to the NANOG list, there is nobody whose alias is better known than their real name. I'd have to disagree; I think there may be more people who know me as RS than who know my actual first and last name. Of course, you will find both in my From line, but I'm not the only one who has experienced this phenomenon; Richard Stallman and Guy Steele spring immediately to mind. ---Rob
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On Jun 15, 2007, at 7:47 AM, Robert E. Seastrom wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I would suggest that in the community of 10,000 email subscribers to the NANOG list, there is nobody whose alias is better known than their real name. I'd have to disagree; I think there may be more people who know me as RS than who know my actual first and last name. Of course, you will find both in my From line, but I'm not the only one who has experienced this phenomenon; Richard Stallman and Guy Steele spring immediately to mind. Given that both RS I worked with Michael, and he knows many people know both of us by our aliases, I am surprised he posted that. Especially since mine doesn't even have anything to do with my name. (I had to set up [EMAIL PROTECTED] because so many people didn't know even my first name.) I have had people - working for the same company! - who have commented to people in the halls about that not-an-isp-guy. (Fortunately, in that instance, it was a good comment. :) -- TTFN, patrick
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On Fri, 15 Jun 2007, Cat Okita wrote: On Fri, 15 Jun 2007, David Barak wrote: I don't think the corner cases (people who get stalked, people who only have one name, etc) invalidate the general value of requiring that postings to a list ostensibly devoted to professional matters be associated with one's name. I think the corner cases (and preserving privacy and separation) are decidedly important - but it's easy to claim they're irrelevant if you don't happen to be one of them... Of course, I could be missing something... To : David Barak [EMAIL PROTECTED] Perhaps I'm missing something here ; Is that your professional email address? *grin* There's no requirement to have work email address, just the names. :) -alex
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On Fri, 15 Jun 2007, Alex Pilosov wrote: Well - how would we phrase a policy which would prohibit obvious things like n3td3v while allowing aleph1 and others previously mentioned? I believe n3td3v's already covered by the disruptive behaviour clause ; Possibly, just permitting all aliases and judging based on the content of contribution is a better way? If someone contributes, does it really matter it is an alias? If someone is trolling, does it matter they use their real name? That'd be my thought - I don't see any inherent difference between John Smith trolling and n3td3v trolling ; cheers! == A cat spends her life conflicted between a deep, passionate and profound desire for fish and an equally deep, passionate and profound desire to avoid getting wet. This is the defining metaphor of my life right now.
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--- Cat Okita [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 15 Jun 2007, David Barak wrote: I don't think the corner cases (people who get stalked, people who only have one name, etc) invalidate the general value of requiring that postings to a list ostensibly devoted to professional matters be associated with one's name. I think the corner cases (and preserving privacy and separation) are decidedly important - but it's easy to claim they're irrelevant if you don't happen to be one of them... Corner cases are the ones which should be solved by working out case-by-case solutions. If the volume of corner cases becomes high, then a different overall approach would need to be adopted. Since I have been involved with the MLC, I have only seen one specific case where there was not a workable solution which enabled an individual to continue posting. One case in multiple years isn't bad. Of course, I could be missing something... To : David Barak [EMAIL PROTECTED] Perhaps I'm missing something here ; Is that your professional email address? *grin* That's what I am describing: attach a real name to a handle (much the way Etaoin Shrdlu did). David Barak Need Geek Rock? Try The Franchise: http://www.listentothefranchise.com Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/
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well... i guess i should stop posting then. --bill
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Pete Templin [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What will this do to improve signal-to-noise ratio on the list? Can we please focus on guidelines that improve SnR? As always, your recommendations and suggestions for guidelines that will improve SnR are solicited. ---Rob
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-- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:- Members must do at least one of the following: -Subscribe/post with your work email address -Use your proper name in your email address (i.e. Bob Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Identify yourself in your email sig -Inform the list admins of your correct identity - : -Subscribe/post with your work email address No, not acceptable. Some companies don't want you to use their email service for things like the NANOG list. : -Identify yourself in your email sig No, some folks don't do sigs. scott
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On Fri, 2007-06-15 at 11:15 -0700, Scott Weeks wrote: -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:- Members must do at least one of the following: -Subscribe/post with your work email address -Use your proper name in your email address (i.e. Bob Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Identify yourself in your email sig -Inform the list admins of your correct identity - : -Subscribe/post with your work email address No, not acceptable. Some companies don't want you to use their email service for things like the NANOG list. : -Identify yourself in your email sig No, some folks don't do sigs. OK, that still leaves 2 other options for the membership. No one plan fits everyone... every NANOG'er should know that. Flexibility (in the requirements as well as by the members) is the key. -Jim P.
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Randy Bush wrote: for those of us who use our MUA's KillAllOfSubject command, having folk adjust the subject of a wandering bs thread is not a feature. For those of us who want to learn about 24x7 Support Strategies but don't care to read about veggie oil and biodiesel as a staffing strategy, having folk adjust the subject of a tangential thread is a feature. OK?
