[Nanog-futures] Original NANOG Business Plan

2010-06-01 Thread William Norton
Just to close the loop and for those interested in walking down memory lane 

I found the original NANOG Business Plan (heh) and put it up here: 

http://peering.drpeering.net/archive/Original-NANOG-BizPlan.htm 

The original excel sheet is there as well: 

http://peering.drpeering.net/archive/Original-NANOG-BizPlan.xls .

Summary

The original NANOG registration fee was $135 per person (up from $0 when it was 
the Regional Techs meeting and/or NANOG funded by NSF).  

I was charged with creating a cost-recovery business plan, and we accomplished 
break-even by using fractions of 4 peoples time; a total of 1.6 Full-time 
Equivalents .  This group ran the NANOG activity, heavily weighted towards the 
lower salaried admin support side.  Merit salaries as a 501.3c were pretty 
minimal too so that helped keep the salary expenses down. 

Back then we were just starting to work with hosts who took care of the hotel 
costs so we reimbursed some funds to the host, as the costs were so much more 
than when the host used their own facilities. (NANOG went from 100 to 400 
pretty quickly.)

The University of Michigan had a 52.5% overhead to cover portions of office 
space, keep the lights on etc. as all UofM activities contributed to. Over time 
there were tons of other little overhead things that NANOG had to contribute 
to, like the servers and upgrades for the mailing lists, sysAdmin overhead for 
the team, etc. Lots of little bits of expenses here and there were allocated 
across projects, and projects benefited from having access to the folks spread 
across multiple projects. It gets a little complicated pretty quick with 
fractional FTEs and shared costs.

So, the point it NANOG  started out pretty minimal 15 years ago, bringing in 
about $150K to cover the costs of running NANOG at about $150K per year.

I'm still searching for the stats study I did that showed a very low 
correlation between the quality of the presentations and attendee satisfaction 
with NANOG, leading to the conclusion that the value of NANOG is proportional 
to other non-presentation activities.

Bill

On May 31, 2010, at 1:28 PM, William Norton wrote:
> 
> As to whether this is the right thing to do or not, today I see two sides:
> --
> When I was on the first NANOG SC, I right away wanted to make NANOG a 
> separate entity.  Part of my rationale was that the community had developed 
> this elaborate and relatively fixed (codified) structure (SC, PC, Mailing 
> List folks, charter, etc.) but had no organization to control.  In my mind, 
> the NANOG SC was an *advisory* board, and Merit could do whatever they wanted 
> to really; NANOG was always fundamentally a Merit activity. I felt that the 
> true SC should be allowed to drive and direct the boat, not merely be on the 
> bridge suggesting what the passengers might like to see during the cruise.
> 
> On the other hand, the boat needs a captain, not a committee of captains. I 
> believe things worked pretty well when NANOG was chaired properly by an 
> individual. I for one like to see changes, swift decisive changes. Trying new 
> things is key to evolving. This is an agility that is very difficult for a 
> committee to do; a group can always come up with more reasons not to try 
> something that might fail than to try and learn from the mistake.
> 
> Also, from a selfish and lazy perspective, Merit has a lot of what is needed 
> to make NANOG happen, pretty much on auto-pilot.  All the gear, staff to 
> monitor/manage, accept credit cards, reserve hotels, network setup/tear down 
> and record/archive, etc. All of these things should exist in the final state 
> of the transition, and this is a ton of work.  I think Dan Golding himself 
> said in the last community meeting that the NANOG organizational structure is 
> in place and we can just attending without having to worry about this stuff.  
> I agree. And, the path of least resistance is to stay on the current path 
> making changes as needed.
> 
> I wonder if some other options were considered. For example,
> ---
> 1) Option #1: Stay with Merit - Identify the core issues that bother this 
> Steering Committee, and apply pressure the change things to meet those 
> expectations.  I apologize if this has happened and I missed the 
> discussion BTW - the NANOG-Futures list should have been active this 
> whole time for these discussions about the real problems encountered with the 
> community governance model.  The Steering Committees to date have not used 
> this valuable community tool effectively; sensitivities aside, a lot more 
> should see the light of day for effective governance lest the population tune 
> out.
> 2) Option #2: I know that ARIN had expressed to me interest in merging  even 
> back when I started chairing NANOG in 1995. They have deep pockets and could

Re: [Nanog-futures] Transition update

2010-06-01 Thread Martin Hannigan
On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 12:10 PM, Sean Figgins  wrote:

> On 5/31/10 7:44 PM, Martin Hannigan wrote:
>
>
[ clip ]

> Or are you talking specifically about a dedicated NANOG bank
> > account? If so, why? That seems like an implementation detail.
> >
> > Yes, I think that's right.
>
> I seriously doubt that there is a separate bank account for NANOG.  As
> part of Merit, this would not be needed unless someone outside of Merit
> was going to be spending the money.  Since all finances were handles by
> Merit in the past, and "account" would likely be a project ledger
> internal to Merit accounting.
>


The balance of the account, regardless of it's implementation, is probably
the [more] interesting issue.

Best,

-M<
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Re: [Nanog-futures] Transition update

2010-06-01 Thread Sean Figgins
On 5/31/10 7:44 PM, Martin Hannigan wrote:

> The fact that Merit have presented accounts for NANOG many times in
> the past demonstrates that there's a separate NANOG account at
> Merit, does it not?
>
> Probably. It's likely that Merit has been talking about simple charts of
> account or balance sheet accounts. These are standard accounting
> practices. I've never seen anyone at NANOG state or imply through their
> presentations that there were any separation of funds from NANOG or
> Merit more than on the books.

I think that Merit was probably presenting spending vs. intake, rather 
than an "account".  I think that Martin is probably right about this.  I 
get presentations form our accounting department all the time on what 
has been spend on given projects, vs. what was allocated to that 
project, but it does not mean that my company sets up a separate bank 
account for every approved project.  That would just be wasteful.

> Or are you talking specifically about a dedicated NANOG bank
> account? If so, why? That seems like an implementation detail.
>
> Yes, I think that's right.

I seriously doubt that there is a separate bank account for NANOG.  As 
part of Merit, this would not be needed unless someone outside of Merit 
was going to be spending the money.  Since all finances were handles by 
Merit in the past, and "account" would likely be a project ledger 
internal to Merit accounting.

  -Sean

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