Re: [Nanog-futures] Transition update

2010-06-08 Thread Jo Rhett

On Jun 3, 2010, at 10:39 AM, Jay Hennigan wrote:
 Within less than 36 hours, you've gone from being tired of people coming
 back months later (as if it had all been over and done a long time
 ago) to It's been a very a small number of weeks (give them more time).

This is total nonsense.  The scale for responding to something that was 
announced weeks before is entirely different from the scale related to 
reasonable amount of time to handle a mind-numbing amount of work.   This is 
a false equivalency.

 Rather than doing the time-warp and marginalizing those asking
 questions, how about some straight answers?   Are you on the SC?  Do you
 have anything to share in terms of facts or are you just here to call
 names and ridicule?

No, I'm not on the SC.   I'm just here to ridicule those who expect 
personalized answers and bunny-suited couriers from their unpaid, otherwise 
busy fellows who are trying to get this all done.

Chill out.

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Re: [Nanog-futures] Transition update

2010-06-08 Thread Jo Rhett
On Jun 4, 2010, at 7:24 AM, Rich Kulawiec wrote:
 But I'll comment that from my outsider's view back here in the
 cheap seats, what has happened is indistinguishable from a coup.
 There is the lack of information about what really happened;
 there is the nebulous citation of alleged problems whose severity
 necessitated this action; there is the marginalization of those
 asking direct questions; there is the lack of a cogent public plan;

If you haven't visited a country in a while and aren't aware of the civil 
unrest, then yeah you might assume that a revolution is a coup.   If you had 
attended NANOG meetings recently and talked with your SC chairs and others 
involved in moving things forward, you'd know something.

Hell, I've attended what, 2? in the last 10 years and the friction has always 
been apparent to me.

Note: not saying that this is a good idea, or that it's being done well.   I'm 
waiting to see how they approach this, just like the rest of you.   But I've 
been down this road before and I know very well how much work is involved, so I 
have a lot more patience.

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Re: [Nanog-futures] Transition update

2010-06-08 Thread Randy Bush
 Having served my maximum 4 years on the PC, I would characterize my own 
 experience with interaction between the respective parties SC PC and 
 merit as congruent with that of Dan's. I would observe that over my now 
 13 year involvement with nanog that the community revolt that produced 
 the SC was probably the most important step in normalizing the the 
 various roles, raising the level of accountability, and eleminating the 
 arbirary exercise of power.
 
 while I'm disappointed with the progress so far I've been convinced that 
 the responsibility for the nanog activity needs ultimately to be 
 invested in the community and my opinion on suject hasn't changed since 
 the reform project began. Successful/unsuccessful interaction with the 
 merit organization has always been personalty driven, I have enourmous 
 respect for the work that carol and betty and david and sue have done, 
 but they work in this through the forebearance of merit.

aol

but where the heck are pro forma financial projections for the new
nanog?  we were to get them with lead time to actualy study and ask
questions before now.

randy

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Re: [Nanog-futures] Transition update

2010-06-08 Thread Jay Hennigan
On 6/8/10 3:25 PM, Jo Rhett wrote:

 No, I'm not on the SC.   I'm just here to ridicule...

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Re: [Nanog-futures] Transition update

2010-06-08 Thread Randy Bush
 On 6/8/10 3:25 PM, Jo Rhett wrote: and wrote and wrote and wrote
 No, I'm not on the SC.   I'm just here to ridicule...
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but, with no data from our fearless [0] leadership, what else are we to
do, talk about NATO black helicopters?

randy

[0] - let us hope that the lack of fear is not their only attribute

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