Re: [Nanog-futures] Transition update
On Jun 3, 2010, at 10:39 AM, Jay Hennigan wrote: Within less than 36 hours, you've gone from being tired of people coming back months later (as if it had all been over and done a long time ago) to It's been a very a small number of weeks (give them more time). This is total nonsense. The scale for responding to something that was announced weeks before is entirely different from the scale related to reasonable amount of time to handle a mind-numbing amount of work. This is a false equivalency. Rather than doing the time-warp and marginalizing those asking questions, how about some straight answers? Are you on the SC? Do you have anything to share in terms of facts or are you just here to call names and ridicule? No, I'm not on the SC. I'm just here to ridicule those who expect personalized answers and bunny-suited couriers from their unpaid, otherwise busy fellows who are trying to get this all done. Chill out. -- Jo Rhett Net Consonance : consonant endings by net philanthropy, open source and other randomness ___ Nanog-futures mailing list Nanog-futures@nanog.org https://mailman.nanog.org/mailman/listinfo/nanog-futures
Re: [Nanog-futures] Transition update
On Jun 4, 2010, at 7:24 AM, Rich Kulawiec wrote: But I'll comment that from my outsider's view back here in the cheap seats, what has happened is indistinguishable from a coup. There is the lack of information about what really happened; there is the nebulous citation of alleged problems whose severity necessitated this action; there is the marginalization of those asking direct questions; there is the lack of a cogent public plan; If you haven't visited a country in a while and aren't aware of the civil unrest, then yeah you might assume that a revolution is a coup. If you had attended NANOG meetings recently and talked with your SC chairs and others involved in moving things forward, you'd know something. Hell, I've attended what, 2? in the last 10 years and the friction has always been apparent to me. Note: not saying that this is a good idea, or that it's being done well. I'm waiting to see how they approach this, just like the rest of you. But I've been down this road before and I know very well how much work is involved, so I have a lot more patience. -- Jo Rhett Net Consonance : consonant endings by net philanthropy, open source and other randomness ___ Nanog-futures mailing list Nanog-futures@nanog.org https://mailman.nanog.org/mailman/listinfo/nanog-futures
Re: [Nanog-futures] Transition update
Having served my maximum 4 years on the PC, I would characterize my own experience with interaction between the respective parties SC PC and merit as congruent with that of Dan's. I would observe that over my now 13 year involvement with nanog that the community revolt that produced the SC was probably the most important step in normalizing the the various roles, raising the level of accountability, and eleminating the arbirary exercise of power. while I'm disappointed with the progress so far I've been convinced that the responsibility for the nanog activity needs ultimately to be invested in the community and my opinion on suject hasn't changed since the reform project began. Successful/unsuccessful interaction with the merit organization has always been personalty driven, I have enourmous respect for the work that carol and betty and david and sue have done, but they work in this through the forebearance of merit. aol but where the heck are pro forma financial projections for the new nanog? we were to get them with lead time to actualy study and ask questions before now. randy ___ Nanog-futures mailing list Nanog-futures@nanog.org https://mailman.nanog.org/mailman/listinfo/nanog-futures
Re: [Nanog-futures] Transition update
On 6/8/10 3:25 PM, Jo Rhett wrote: No, I'm not on the SC. I'm just here to ridicule... +--+ | PLEASE | | DO NOT | | FEED THE | | TROLL | +--+ | | | | .\|.||/.. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - j...@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV ___ Nanog-futures mailing list Nanog-futures@nanog.org https://mailman.nanog.org/mailman/listinfo/nanog-futures
Re: [Nanog-futures] Transition update
On 6/8/10 3:25 PM, Jo Rhett wrote: and wrote and wrote and wrote No, I'm not on the SC. I'm just here to ridicule... +--+ | PLEASE | | DO NOT | | FEED THE | | TROLL | +--+ | | | | .\|.||/.. but, with no data from our fearless [0] leadership, what else are we to do, talk about NATO black helicopters? randy [0] - let us hope that the lack of fear is not their only attribute ___ Nanog-futures mailing list Nanog-futures@nanog.org https://mailman.nanog.org/mailman/listinfo/nanog-futures