Re: [Nanog-futures] Moving Forward - What kind of NANOG do we want?
On 1 Jul 2010, at 17:59, William Norton wrote: 1) We started seeing folks having suite parties, [...] 2) We started seeing people quietly passing out logo'd and funny t-shirts, [...] 4) tours of data centers that don't sponsor NANOG but are local (we geeks like these things), These are really the same things. A good quality meeting 'Fringe' is a defining characteristic of a mature community. Let it happen. The fringe is the test-bed for stuff too crazy or early for the formal agenda. Promote this ad-hoc stuff on the nanog site. A good fringe will encourage more long-term attendees and attendee loyalty ( == revenue) without the program co-ordinators having to do more work. Andy ___ Nanog-futures mailing list Nanog-futures@nanog.org https://mailman.nanog.org/mailman/listinfo/nanog-futures
Re: [Nanog-futures] Moving Forward - What kind of NANOG do we want?
On Thu, 1 Jul 2010, Daniel Golding wrote: The way forward is to have sharp cut-off from having quasi-professional meetings and transition into having real events. Real events have real sponsorship models, not a few bucks for a break or a beer and gear. Real events are planned a year in advance, not a few months. Real events don't require hosts to dedicate a dozen staff members - they can just write a check. I usually find myself agreeing completely with Dan in these future of NANOG discussions, but the hard line on sponsorship makes me uncomfortable. I've certainly seen real events that function the way Dan describes. ISPCon comes to mind. I'm sure the model makes a lot of sense for their for-profit organizers, but for attendees it tends to put up a lot of barriers and prevent the sort of freewheeling culture that, for me, makes NANOG and the other less formal operator meetings so useful. NANOG, or NewNOG, or whatever it ends up being called, needs to bring in enough money to keep the organization running. It doesn't need to -- and as a non-profit it probably legally can't -- run a big surplus. Assuming we can make ends meet, I'd hate to prioritize money over creativity. -Steve ___ Nanog-futures mailing list Nanog-futures@nanog.org https://mailman.nanog.org/mailman/listinfo/nanog-futures
Re: [Nanog-futures] Moving Forward - What kind of NANOG do we want?
On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 3:02 PM, Scott Weeks sur...@mauigateway.com wrote: --- s...@gibbard.org wrote: NANOG, or NewNOG, or whatever it ends up being called, -- Has that already been decided? It's most certainly not NA operators only. GNOG? (global) scott Gadi Evron actually had suggested that some number of years ago. :) Best, -M ___ Nanog-futures mailing list Nanog-futures@nanog.org https://mailman.nanog.org/mailman/listinfo/nanog-futures
Re: [Nanog-futures] Moving Forward - What kind of NANOG do we want?
--- hanni...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 3:02 PM, Scott Weeks sur...@mauigateway.com wrote: --- s...@gibbard.org wrote: NANOG, or NewNOG, or whatever it ends up being called, -- Has that already been decided? It's most certainly not NA operators only. GNOG? (global) : Gadi Evron actually had suggested that some number of years ago. :) Me, too. Sort of. ;-) Back in 2004. http://www.mail-archive.com/na...@merit.edu/msg26005.html Then again in 2006: http://www.mail-archive.com/na...@merit.edu/msg45644.html scott ___ Nanog-futures mailing list Nanog-futures@nanog.org https://mailman.nanog.org/mailman/listinfo/nanog-futures
Re: [Nanog-futures] Moving Forward - What kind of NANOG do we want?
On 7/2/10 1:37 PM, Michael Dillon wrote: The intent coming into the change was to move forward with a transition of NANOG, not create a new organization with a different mandate. The NANOG group mirrors similar groups in other regions and is focused primarily on serving the North American operator community, Agreed. You are wrong there. The intent is now and has always been to serve the *INTERNET* operations community. The INTERNET is global. NANOG meetings always have participants and speakers from outside of North America. I suggest that we first get up to speed with continuity of what we have been in the past before attempting to take over the world. Yes, there have been and I expect will be in the future participants and speakers from outside North America. Just as North Americans attend and speak at other regional groups. That doesn't change the focus of the group. This transition is going to be difficult enough without changing the fundamental purpose of the organization. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - j...@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV ___ Nanog-futures mailing list Nanog-futures@nanog.org https://mailman.nanog.org/mailman/listinfo/nanog-futures
Re: [Nanog-futures] Moving Forward - What kind of NANOG do we want?
Le vendredi 02 juillet 2010 à 14:12 -0700, Scott Weeks a écrit : --- hanni...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 3:02 PM, Scott Weeks sur...@mauigateway.com wrote: --- s...@gibbard.org wrote: NANOG, or NewNOG, or whatever it ends up being called, -- Has that already been decided? It's most certainly not NA operators only. GNOG? (global) : Gadi Evron actually had suggested that some number of years ago. :) Me, too. Sort of. ;-) Back in 2004. http://www.mail-archive.com/na...@merit.edu/msg26005.html Then again in 2006: http://www.mail-archive.com/na...@merit.edu/msg45644.html Good posts, good points, no less relevant today ;) mh scott ___ Nanog-futures mailing list Nanog-futures@nanog.org https://mailman.nanog.org/mailman/listinfo/nanog-futures -- michael hallgren, mh2198-ripe ___ Nanog-futures mailing list Nanog-futures@nanog.org https://mailman.nanog.org/mailman/listinfo/nanog-futures
Re: [Nanog-futures] WBN and NANOG-Crashing
adam, stop muck raking. in general, I'd advocate spending less time on mailing lists and focusing more on delivering great product. /vijay On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 2:55 PM, Adam Rothschild asr+nanog-futu...@latency.net wrote: I've been trying to avoid this topic, though as one of few participants familiar with MediaMelon's account of what happened (we've been looking at their product, independently of this all), I feel obligated to offer my two cents... The underlying facts are not in dispute -- Kumar from MediaMelon *did* meet Bill Norton for lunch in San Francisco. Following Bill's advice, Kumar entered the plenary, in search of some Netflix staffers to pitch his product to. In hindsight, Kumar regrets deeply having done this. As a relative newcomer to the community, he looked to Bill for leadership, and was unfortunately offered bad advice on acceptable standards of conduct and engagment. The sliver lining in this incident is that I've gotten a commitment from Kumar and crew to donate to NewNog. I get the feeling they'd compensate Merit for a lost registration in San Francisco, too, if requested. The important thing to keep in mind is that we're dealing with a fundamentally good bunch of folk, though newcomers, who had fallen victim to bad advice. With that said, and given what transpired, I think the responsible course of action is for us to all pressure Bill for the funds, falling back to MediaMelon's generous offer as a last resort. He's obviously trying to downplay the importance of this, though with some polite-but-persistent reminders (in response to posted diatribes, in person, ...), he's sure to cave eventually. I'll be sure to keep the community apprised of any movement on this front. -a ___ Nanog-futures mailing list Nanog-futures@nanog.org https://mailman.nanog.org/mailman/listinfo/nanog-futures ___ Nanog-futures mailing list Nanog-futures@nanog.org https://mailman.nanog.org/mailman/listinfo/nanog-futures
Re: [Nanog-futures] Moving Forward - What kind of NANOG do we want?
Unless people serious intended for the organisation to have regular [1] meetings outside of North America (which I doubt) then it should retain the current general name and focus. why? we hove the world series! :) hubris is not a quality we lack. randy ___ Nanog-futures mailing list Nanog-futures@nanog.org https://mailman.nanog.org/mailman/listinfo/nanog-futures
Re: [Nanog-futures] Moving Forward - What kind of NANOG do we want?
On 7/2/10 8:29 PM, Simon Lyall wrote: Unless people serious intended for the organisation to have regular [1] meetings outside of North America (which I doubt) then it should retain the current general name and focus. [1] - At least 50% in Europe, Asia, ROW , not one every 5 years in Mexico. [1a] Mexico is part of North America so that doesn't count as outside. -- Jay Hennigan - CCIE #7880 - Network Engineering - j...@impulse.net Impulse Internet Service - http://www.impulse.net/ Your local telephone and internet company - 805 884-6323 - WB6RDV ___ Nanog-futures mailing list Nanog-futures@nanog.org https://mailman.nanog.org/mailman/listinfo/nanog-futures
