Re: [Nanog-futures] an alternate proposal for NewNOG ’s membership structure

2010-12-28 Thread laperriere . sylvie
Hi, 

Early bird registrations provide cash flow to make hotel deposit commitments.  
If all members get early birds rate and register at the last possible minute, 
that dings the cash flow and increase liabilities for the organizers.  One 
month before the conference, we typically need to have paid  down 30k to the 
hotel, so the 100 or so early birds are important.  

Also, early birds was a way to entice people to register early and build a 
critical mass of attendees. Newcomers may decide to join if there is a critical 
mass of attendees already, it can help them justify attending to their 
management.  

So I see a clear distinction in early bird rate (cash flow help) vice 
discounting registration fees for members. I support both and want us to make 
sure that we are not losing sight of the financial timing. 

Regards,
Sylvie
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-Original Message-
From: Daniel Golding dgold...@gmail.com
Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2010 11:51:09 
To: Randy Bushra...@psg.com
Cc: Nanog Futuresnanog-futures@nanog.org
Subject: Re: [Nanog-futures]
an alternate proposal for NewNOG
’s membership structure

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Re: [Nanog-futures] an alternate proposal for NewNOG ’s membership structure

2010-12-28 Thread Jay Hennigan
On 12/28/10 10:13 AM, laperriere.syl...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi, 
 
 Early bird registrations provide cash flow to make hotel deposit commitments. 
  If all members get early birds rate and register at the last possible 
 minute, that dings the cash flow and increase liabilities for the organizers. 
  One month before the conference, we typically need to have paid  down 30k to 
 the hotel, so the 100 or so early birds are important.  
 
 Also, early birds was a way to entice people to register early and build a 
 critical mass of attendees. Newcomers may decide to join if there is a 
 critical mass of attendees already, it can help them justify attending to 
 their management.  
 
 So I see a clear distinction in early bird rate (cash flow help) vice 
 discounting registration fees for members. I support both and want us to make 
 sure that we are not losing sight of the financial timing. 

Precisely my point.  The wording of the proposal was that if you were a
member you lost the early bird discount.  Membership discount couldn't
be combined with any other discount.  This doesn't seem right.

I don't see a problem with allowing both early bird and membership
discounts.  If it's a situation with wording, call the early bird rate
the regular price and the rate after cutoff Late registration so that
it isn't called a discount.

If the membership dues are greater than the sum of early bird
differentials for meetings attended in a year, then it makes financial
sense NOT to join if you lose the early bird benefit.

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Re: [Nanog-futures] an alternate proposal for NewNOG's membership structure

2010-12-28 Thread Brian Johnson

SNIP

If the membership dues are greater than the sum of early bird
differentials for meetings attended in a year, then it makes financial
sense NOT to join if you lose the early bird benefit.

SNIP

Jay-

I see your point here, but I would just also like to point out that I
would think membership, in attendance or not, will be allowed to
participate in elections, while non-member attendees will not.

- Brian J.

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