Re: [Nanog-futures] Media at NANOG conferences

2008-07-22 Thread Philip Smith
Steve Meuse said the following on 18/7/08 06:47:
 Philip Smith expunged ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
 
 We'd like to hear the community's opinion on this. We've drafted a 
 Media Policy based on what other events like ours do; see the 
 attachment below... Any opinions? Constructive suggestions?
 
 I'm not very comfortable having the media at the meeting. There is a certain
  amount of free trade of information and ideas that flows and having 
the media
  may stifle that.

Fair point. However, we have nothing prohibiting the media from 
attending at the moment; we just expect them to pay full fare like 
everyone else.

 At San Jose, at one of the after parties, I was in a conversation with
  another engineer when someone joined our conversation and didn't identify
  herself immediately. After about 15-20 minutes she handed me a card, she
  was a reporter for one of the local San Jose papers. I started to 
freak out
  a little...what have I said out loud over the past 15 minutes!.

I know the feeling...! :-(

philip
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Re: [Nanog-futures] Bhutan discovers the NANOG Problem...

2008-07-14 Thread Philip Smith
Robert Seastrom said the following on 7/7/08 05:16:
 It seems that Bhutan is having trouble with web surfing and gaming
 during their sessions:
 
 http://uk.reuters.com/article/technologyNewsMolt/idUKB12933220080630

It is a thought though...

Should we try a NANOG without network or power provision in the main 
plenary room? People would have to listen to the presenter with 100% 
attention then. Would this make the programme better? Would there be 
more QA? Would there be more discussion in panel sessions? Would it 
make NANOG better overall?

Some meetings I go to now have enforced laptop bans so that the topics 
under discussion have less chance of distracted participants.

(I still remember some of the feedback from the NANOG IPv6 hour back in 
February - even having no IPv4 connectivity for 60 minutes was 
equivalent to the end of the world for some people. Left me wondering 
what the actual plenary session was for.)

Having just come back from JANOG, while JANOG apparently had wireless 
for the first time ever, there was no power in the room. Longlife 
batteries needed. I noticed the majority of the audience was actually 
sitting and listening to the presentations, and there was good QA after 
most of them.

philip
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Re: [Nanog-futures] The Peering BOF and the Fallout?

2008-02-25 Thread Philip Smith
Hi Patrick,

Patrick W. Gilmore said the following on 25/2/08 11:00:

 Let's stop dancing around the issue.  There was discussion regarding  
 the Peering BoF amongst the SC  PC.  There is no reason to hide this  
 fact - just the opposite.  And there were at least some provisional  
 outcomes from those discussions.  I am unclear on why those decisions  
 are not being announced to the community.

Yes, there was a brief discussion at the SC meeting on Wednesday - the 
PC Chair participates on the SC as an ex-officio member.

(The minutes have just been passed on to Merit for publication - they 
will be at http://www.nanog.org/sc.minutes08.html, findable from the 
NANOG website home page under General Info - Steering Committee.)

We noted that complaints had been received about a particular item in 
the Peering BoF, and agreed that the PC should discuss closer review of 
the BoF content with the BoF organisers.

We also discussed in general about BoFs that have become a fixture in 
the programme as opposed to being a once or twice occurrence (which is 
the more normal understanding of BoFs, I'd say). Both the Peering and 
Security BoFs have been a long term and an incredibly valuable part of 
NANOG for many years, so we felt that giving them the true recognition 
they deserved as an integral part of the programme would be something 
worth exploring moving forwards. And of course, being part of the 
programme would mean following the same processes for content review as 
the rest of the NANOG programme.

I should mention, as an FYI, that both Peering and Security BoFs have 
been integral part of APRICOT for some time. Apart from the plenary 
session, APRICOT has parallel tracks (we call them streams). The 
organisers of both tracks taking the lead in organising their content in 
conjunction with the APRICOT PC. So formalising the long running BoFs at 
NANOG in a similar way should really not be seen as a backward step.

 Either way, gossiping on a mailing list is not the right way.

Certainly the rumour mill has been busy...

 SC / PC members, please step up, so we can all go back to arguing over  
 leaking deaggs. :)

Hopefully I've helped clarify. Now let's go back to talking about 
leaking prefixes... :-)

philip
SC Chair
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Re: [Nanog-futures] The Peering BOF and the Fallout?

2008-02-24 Thread Philip Smith
Hi Richard,

Richard A Steenbergen said the following on 25/2/08 08:21:

  Making a special exemption for Bill
 Norton (a member of the SC, which elects the PC) could easily give the 
 impression of undue favoritism to the outside world, and defeat all of the 
 work that has been put into providing openness and transparency into the 
 process.

Just a small comment. Bill's service to the community as an SC member 
completed in October last year.

philip
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